With the passage of this Bill, the United States Constitution will meet it's final death. While the Tea Party movement and 9-12 project represents a goodly portion of the American people, it is clear that we are just a loud minority. Is it time for lovers of liberty and freedom to form their own nation?
With the passage of this Bill, the United States Constitution will meet it's final death. While the Tea Party movement and 9-12 project represents a goodly portion of the American people, it is clear that we are just a loud minority. Is it time for lovers of liberty and freedom to form their own nation?
How, and where? I agree that secession is a great solution for the problems that face us, and divide us more deeply than ever before in the history of our nation. However, as secession would reduce the territory and population ruled by Washington, they are unlikely to ever permit it.
In an ideal scenario, the south and portions of the midwest and west would form a conservative republic. Pelosistan (all territories west of the Sierras) could enact national health care, disarm, enact hate crime laws, and legalize gay marriage as could Scozzofistan in the northeast...
With the passage of this Bill, the United States Constitution will meet it's final death. While the Tea Party movement and 9-12 project represents a goodly portion of the American people, it is clear that we are just a loud minority. Is it time for lovers of liberty and freedom to form their own nation?
Too late.
This has been creeping up on us for years, from both Democrat and Republican.
The frog doesn't have the strength or will to jump out of the pot.
Too late.
This has been creeping up on us for years, from both Democrat and Republican.
The frog doesn't have the strength or will to jump out of the pot.
He waited too long.
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__________________ "We took it in the shorts with Bush-Cheney, the Iraq War, and by sacrificing fiscal responsibility to hold power.”
~John Boehner, GOP Minority Leader
John Galt was a fictional character. With an author "plotting" his ultimate victory, he couldn't fail.
Does this really have any currency in today's world?
And please tell me how a Health Care Bill causes the final death of the US Constitution.
Seems to me it'll be passed in accordance with the Constitution. You know voted on, passed through the Parliamentary procedures, and so on. Signed into Law by the President and so on.
This hysteria - oh if Health Care passes we'll have to secede!!- undermines a real meaningful debate on the issue. That seems to have been the biggest problem from the start; the only response to this legislation has been so extreme that it has essentially sabotaged the possibility of real debate. That began with the idiocy of "Death Panels" and continues in the current "it'll bring Marxism/Maoism/Socialism/Nazism if it passes."
It disgusts me that we have mustered nothing more potent than a mystical belief in a fictional (and not very convincing) hero to symbolize our oppostion.
And please tell me how a Health Care Bill causes the final death of the US Constitution.
Because of this little thing written in the Constitution called the 10th Amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
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"You can't spend your way out of a recession or borrow your way out of debt." - Daniel Hannan
John Galt was a fictional character. With an author "plotting" his ultimate victory, he couldn't fail.
And please tell me how a Health Care Bill causes the final death of the US Constitution.
Seems to me it'll be passed in accordance with the Constitution. You know voted on, passed through the Parliamentary procedures, and so on. Signed into Law by the President and so on.
It is sad that this is how many people understand the Constitution. The Constitution is not simply about parliamentary procedures, it is about protecting the natural rights of citizens. The most basic natural right is that a man has the right to the fruit of his labor.
This concept has admittedly been bastardized in the past 100 years, but that does not mean it no longer exists.
If the "we" you refer to are a people, free from government enslavement, yours is very sadly, very possibly, a prophetic statement.
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"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money." – Alexis de Tocqueville
Passage of this bill in the House does NOT pass it into law. All it does is put Nancy Pelosi's Democrats on the record. And while it's preferable that it goes down today in the vote, ALL the 'yea' votes are going to have to go back home to their constituents and explain why they elected to cut a half trillion dollars out of Medicare and why they're willing to JAIL American citizens for their refusal to buy a designated product.
They'll have to explain why they allowed trillions of dollars to be added to the deficit, why they've allowed the raising of new taxes, and where they think they get the Constitutional authority to do all that.
That said, I will agree with you, OP, that should this bill eventually be passed into law, it will represent the final death of our U.S. Constitution and we will have truly entered into an age of tyranny.
Unfortunately, I expect it more likely that we'll accept our chains with the complacency of sheep rather than repel them with the will of free men. And I am disgusted to believe it.
Last edited by LJ14; November 7th, 2009 at 7:37 pm.
Is it time to find John Galt?
"We took it in the shorts with Bush-Cheney, the Iraq War, and by sacrificing fiscal responsibility to hold power.”
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