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Old November 4th, 2009, 8:48 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edchtf9MS7g
Link to the 1980 debate between Ronald Reagan and George Bush.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8YxFc_1b_0
Link to the entire 1980 debate between Reagan and Carter. Interesting that its about healthcare.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ReaganFo...D233AE939204BC
Reagan announcing he is running for President in 1979. 3.5 minutes in, it is spooky since it sounds like he is speaking of today. Listen up Al Gore and Barry O.


The talking heads and Republican "leadership" keep saying that Republicans cannot become a majority party by running Conservative candidates. By that definition, would Ronald Reagan be too conservative today to run for elected office as a Republican?
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Old November 4th, 2009, 9:00 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edchtf9MS7g
Link to the 1980 debate between Ronald Reagan and George Bush.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8YxFc_1b_0
Link to the entire 1980 debate between Reagan and Carter. Interesting that its about healthcare.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ReaganFo...D233AE939204BC
Reagan announcing he is running for President in 1979.


The talking heads and Republican "leadership" keep saying that Republicans cannot become a majority party by running Conservative candidates. By that definition, would Ronald Reagan be too conservative today to run for elected office as a Republican?
You mean the guy who doubled the national debt relative to GDP and had the greatest increase on taxes for small business's in generations might NOT have been a true fiscal conservative!?!??!
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Old November 4th, 2009, 9:02 pm
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Probably not. He wasn't that conservative.
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'You mean the guy who doubled the national debt relative to GDP and had the greatest increase on taxes for small business's in generations might NOT have been a true fiscal conservative!?!??!"

The guy who increased the GDP and lowered overall taxes, yup, that guy. Your efforts to rewrite history fail.
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... who's trying to rewrite history? you are joking, right?
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Old November 4th, 2009, 9:21 pm
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Wait what is the difference between 'conservative' as i've been reading it here and 'libertarian'?
It really depends on your definition of libertarianism. Really there isn't much depending on how far you go with Libertarianism. Maybe I'll let Mr. Reagan describe it himself:
http://reason.com/archives/1975/07/0...-ronald-reagan
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...The guy who increased the GDP
By borrowing and spending like a drunken sailor..again, he doubled the nations debt relative to GDP while Carter and Nixon lowered it.



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....and lowered overall taxes,...
Not for the middle class and small business....they went up. Social security tax was a crime since it went to general fund after he lowered the ETR for the top 5 down to 24%.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

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... Your efforts to rewrite history fail.
Your willingness to exclude facts NOT in dispute about how UNCONSERVATIVE Regan was are evident.
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'You mean the guy who doubled the national debt relative to GDP and had the greatest increase on taxes for small business's in generations might NOT have been a true fiscal conservative!?!??!"
According to a 1996 study[30] from the libertarian think tank Cato Institute:
  • On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined, the American economy performed better during the Reagan years than during the pre- and post-Reagan years.
  • Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.
  • Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.
  • The only economic variable that was worse in the Reagan period than in both the pre- and post-Reagan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the 1980s.
  • The productivity rate was higher in the pre-Reagan years but much lower in the post-Reagan years.
Hard data aside, how old were you in the 80's? My guess is young.

The level of prosperity after recovering from the early 80's recession that it was called the "Decade of Greed." It was the decade of the Yuppie, teen movies featuring rich kids, the most popular family on television was about an African American doctor and his family, and Michael J. Fox played capitalist loving Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. It was also the decade in which hippies traded the anti-establishment of their youth for Porsche 911's, making a killing in the condo market, and getting marched off to prison for manipulating the junk bond market.

You know nothing about the real world in which Reagan lead our nation & took down the Soviet Union in the process. All you know are the same weak liberal talking points that you probably learned from some pony-tailed professor at Community College.
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Well, he drastically increased the debt and gave amnesty to illegals, so I think he'd be just conservative enough for the republican party.
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What would you guys say is the 'conservative' agenda, and what would you say is the 'Republican' agenda?
Conservative:
- Smaller Government
- Lower Taxes
- Less spending
- Free Markets
- Capitalism

Republican Agenda:
- Get elected as a majority so they can get the big offices and chairmanships
- Try to appease constituency after getting elected by spending money on social programs.
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