On Fox's Glenn Beck program tonight, he -- while having the head of CPUSA on as a guest -- claimed, with seeming certainty and glee, that the Nazi party were socialists.
Because, you see, the name of their party translates to National Socialist party
Putting aside the conclusion by political analysts that the Nazi Party was actually a fascist, far right organization, Mr. Beck also seems to have forgotten that the Nazi's fought a rather pitched battle against the communist (socialist) Soviet Union.
Curiouser and curiouser in the right wing media sphere....
On Fox's Glenn Beck program tonight, he -- while having the head of CPUSA on as a guest -- claimed, with seeming certainty and glee, that the Nazi party were socialists.
Because, you see, the name of their party translates to National Socialist party
Putting aside the conclusion by political analysts that the Nazi Party was actually a fascist, far right organization, Mr. Beck also seems to have forgotten that the Nazi's fought a rather pitched battle against the communist (socialist) Soviet Union.
Curiouser and curiouser in the right wing media sphere....
the nazi part was not a far right organization at all.
it was for radical change, which is leftist.
that said, it was more authoritarian than left.
calling the nazi's socialists is inaccurate.
they were radical militants, slightly left.
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i know it's a bit confusing (because of the names) but the Social Democratic Party of Germany (or Nationalsozialisten or Nazis) were actually extremly anti-communist.
If you went by the the Italian-style facisim, a huge part of the ideology involved running a "corporate state" , the very opposite of socialisim.
So yea saying the Nazis were socialists especialy by it's definition today is wrong.
the nazi part was not a far right organization at all.
it was for radical change, which is leftist.
that said, it was more authoritarian than left.
calling the nazi's socialists is inaccurate.
they were radical militants, slightly left.
i gotta disagree with you there Spinach, not on the militarisim portion but the definition of Nazis as slightly left. Wanting extreme change in a government system does not automaticaly place a political party to the left. The Nazis were extremly anti bolshevist and anti communist (they actually associated the Jews with communisim , among other things)
In theory, it was on the opposite end of the spectrum as Communism and Socialism. However, the political spectrum is more like a ring than a straight line. While technically, they were on the opposite end of the spectrum, the end result was basically the same. The government controlled schools, businesses, etc.
In one way, Beck was technically right.
In another way, Beck was technically wrong.
In actuality, Beck was pretty much right.
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Originally Posted by Major Kong
On Fox's Glenn Beck program tonight, he -- while having the head of CPUSA on as a guest -- claimed, with seeming certainty and glee, that the Nazi party were socialists.
Because, you see, the name of their party translates to National Socialist party
Putting aside the conclusion by political analysts that the Nazi Party was actually a fascist, far right organization, Mr. Beck also seems to have forgotten that the Nazi's fought a rather pitched battle against the communist (socialist) Soviet Union.
Curiouser and curiouser in the right wing media sphere....
The Nazis were Socialists.
What YOU seem to forget is that the communists fought against themselves as well.
Stalin and his wing fought against Lennin and his wing. Trotsky had to flee. What does fighting communists have to do with not being leftist? Like Stalin was on the right?
Plus the Nazis had NO problem making a pact with the communists when the war started.
The idea of the Nazis being on the "right" is based solely on the idea they fought the communists. But that had nothing to do with ideology. They both had the same methods.
Stalin and Hitler's rise to power were almost identical in many ways. They were both complete dictators.
They both employed the same kind of slave labor. The communists were simply more overt about the state running idustries but the Nazis were doing the same with their industries. They simply were smarter about allowing the industrialists to continue to own them, but the Nazis still controlled them with slave labor backing them up.
The only real differences between the Nazis and the communists was to the DEGREE of socialism they employed. The communists closing the churches (however Stalin opened them back up during the war because he needed them for morale). The Nazis controlling the churches, supplanting real Christianity with the Pagan practices of the Nazis (right down to a Nazi ceremony to get married).
Glen Beck is quite right, and he is right because he has KNOWLEDGE about that time period, while I'm afraid all those who simply repeat that Nazis were on the right have is ignorance.
Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such.
Beck thinks Nazi's were Socialists
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