Say NO to Socialized Medicine!

[CexEdgeld]

Yes it is a shame that anyone would purposely take someone elses work and say its their own. Its the same thing with other kinds of works, like writing of poetry and/or stories, it is something that is not right as it is taking credit away from the rightful one that should get the credit in the first place. _________________Young female drivers

[patriciarnbsn]

Originally Posted by jobu55

if the repubs dont vote for health care they should give up there
goverment health care
what are thay saying it's good for them but not us
what a joke the party of no is

You have got to be kidding me! If your dems vote for this plan they should be forced to recieve it. Many have been asked at town hall meetings if they would take the government option only to skirt the question. Have you read the bill?? Do you want the government to have access to your bank account. Do you want them to offer you a pain pill instead of a pacemaker? (as suggested by elpresidente') The fact is if you need medical attention all emergenct rooms must provide it (I am a former ER/ICU nurse) and there are social workers available to assist if you cannot afford treatment or meds. There are free clinics. I know this because I have worked with the homeless. We have the absolute best medical care in the world. I have had patients from all over the world because the medications or treatments are not available in their homeland. The "party of no" has offered alternatives to this plan such as the ability to cross state lines to purchase insurance which would bring costs down (OB is against this). There are changes needed but this is way over the line and will change life as we know it. Obama keeps refering to "his" bill. Does he have a bill we're not aware of? Has he read the currnet bill? Judging by his comments I would have to say no unless he's just flat out lying (he would never do that). I'm sorry you feel this way because you will be in for a rude awakening. There is already a nursing shortage which will be magnified when the government decides to control the pay scale. I'm sure this will apply to our doctors also. And as far as his comment about doctors amputating a diabetics foot to make money ?? That is done only as a last resort. I have NEVER witnessed such activity. I personaly had a family member in need of a lung transplant that had no insurance. John's Hopkins hospital did the transplant free of charge and she was treated no different than any patient with insurance. This bill is frightening and we should do everything in our power to stop it. PLEASE read the bill. The life of you and your loved ones will be dramaticaly affected............

[patriciarnbsn]

Originally Posted by jmadison7

So not so. Millions of folks in the UK, Canada, Sweden, etc would love to have our system, particularly when and if they were to find they were seriously ill. We in the US are in a position to work hard on maintaining what we in healthcare call "best practices." This gets tougher to do in a universal/socialized system, where, it invariably will become the only real game in town pretty much. In fact, I just read an article that spoke of foks in England scrapping monies to bypass their system and obtain private health insurance.

What's more, the death rate for certain cancers in UK, for example, is that of third world nations--no where near ours. Cancer is still a great threat to all people of all ages--as high as the population of growing elderly and those that don't look to do healthier things, like fish and just plain ole eating lower on the food chain, and employing vigorous 30 minute exercise on a daily basis--to a lower but still significant portion of our population of transplant patients that must take immunosuppressants for life and so that puts them at a much higher risk for cancers. I am critical care RN that has worked in a major pediatric heart/lung transplant center. Yes, these kids, as well as other transplanted patients, are at higher risk for many things, and one such disease process is cancer.


What's more, we are a nation of > 300 million people and growing. What other, significantly less populated nations are struggling to "have" is mathematically impossible here in the USA without severe taxation across the board. Surely it will come should this horrendous bill get a majority--and even with that kind of taxation, which will completely destroy our economic survival, as well as severe controls and denials (phrased differently by politicians and bureaucrats of course, b/c politically they will have to say that "all" are covered) and delays and severe limits will be inevitable.

Besides the serious governmental overstepping--led in my view by the failure of folks to truly know and understand in general much less depth things like the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, and The Federalist Papers--absolutely essential for understanding the purpose, application and the good of our system of government (which is all about limiting government and not allowing it to become our economic and healthcare controllers)--the whole bill just sn't feasible. It is basically a matter of pragmatics. For even if Obama and other do go back on various promises they used in the campaign, and now in their attempts to pull people toward a "buy-in" quality coverage for the bulk of most Americans if not all will be lost--and at a very high rate of taxation and a great loss of our freedoms. Things like time-sensitive treatments and diagnostics and follow-ups and all forms of "best practices" will unquestionably be compromised. I've beg some of these folks to tell me how, pragmatically speaking, they will not be compromised. And I certainly didn't here anything detailed, enlightening, specific, or clear from Mr. Specter in PA.

I am waiting for the spin to die down from the far left so that I can hear about the devil in the details. Read as we might, does anyone see specifics in application. And how do the numbers really add up????

So, even if daddy government does jerk us up to a 50-60% or > taxation (of which I would gladly die before I would care to see it), how in God's Green Earth will they STILL NOT HAVE TO LIMIT, deny, delay, or somehow otherwise ration and exclude care?

How so for this particular population?

Is anyone really serious or truly realistic about that? I demand to see some details on actual application--and no fuzzy mathematics--and not some idiotic and ridiculous flow chart!

Thank you..........a voice of reason

[W.E.C.S.G]

Well, the cat is out of the bag - Snowe voted to keep the individual mandate so its very likely that she and the blue dogs will sell us out the Bacus bill or Wyden-Bennett fake compromises.....

http://townhall.com/blog/g/a14a2e37-...=true#comments

Stop the Individual Mandate and the whole bill will unravel for lack of funding and mandatory participation in the scheme!

Senator Bunning offered an Amendment in the Finance committee today to kill the Individual Mandate in the Bacus bill - it failed by 14-9 vote - a bad result for stopping Obamacare.....

All R except Snowe voted Against the Individual Mandate - now we know were they stand...

All D voted for it....of course

This is NOT a good result......If Snowe voted for it, then she is likely to vote for a Fake "compromise" bill with mandates.....and will vote for closure with D.....

Well, they cant hide now - they will push the defacto takeover with the Individual Mandate!

This is a very dangerous period because Nationalization will still occur even without an overt government run insurance plan like this "public option" provision everyone keeps fixating on - Wyden/Bennett and the Bacus bill are prime examples of this.

Here are the core elements what will be contained in the “health care reform compromise” after the so-called “public option” is in all likelihood dropped:


(a) Federal Regulation aka HEALTH CZAR/DEATH PANELS
(b) Employer/Individual Mandates aka NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE
(c) Government Subsidies aka MIDDLE CLASS MEDICAL WELFARE

With the Federal Government setting the rules, forcing everyone to participate, and is paying the bills for most of the middle class through subsidies how is this anything other than Nationalization?

Here is a great link from a CATO study by Micheal Cannon about how the takeover will work without a public option or COOP:


http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon

People need to be up in arms about this - they need to Flood Senator Snowe's email, etc to get her to change this vote NOW!

Also, the so-called "blue dogs" need to be targeted too - they need to know we are on to their support for a de facto takeover.....

We are in bad shape I fear, but at least we know what is going on now and can mount a reaction....

You have had several great articles and are leading the charge against the Obamacare Mandates - I just wish the rest of the conservative media would get a clue and catch on soon before its too late....

We should be attacking these Individual Mandates daily! Please continue to do your utmost to alert the conservative media and the GOP Senators and Represenatives about what is going on here with Obamacare!

This is the "bridge over" or foot in the water they need to get to fully socialized medicine!

[amabo]

One comment on the "Just Say No" phrase. America just could not say no to drugs and you won't be able to say no to public health care. Why? Because I think some of you are thinking free drugs!

[putputpanorama]

Originally Posted by amabo

One comment on the "Just Say No" phrase. America just could not say no to drugs and you won't be able to say no to public health care. Why? Because I think some of you are thinking free drugs!

Now I know Canada makes good beer.

And other things I'm sure.