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View Poll Results: Would You Support A States Right To Secede?
Yes- I would support a States right to secede and possibly move there. 195 72.76%
No – I would not support it but would let them go peacefully. 22 8.21%
No – I would call for Civil War to stop it. 51 19.03%
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Old February 16th, 2009, 8:07 am
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Secession is beneficial to all of mankind. People ought to choose how they are to be governed. Force and coercion should never be the instruments of governing.

I will support any state who claims the right to secede. I hope that we can maintain free trade and peaceful relations with all of our fellow states. This is what our founding fathers wanted, not a central dictator oppressing the population and denying them their rights.

Competing governments is a much better solution.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 8:15 am
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Just as a would-be criminal is deterred by armed private citizens, the Federal Government can be restrained by the threat of secession.

Often it is the threat of punishment that will prevent the crime.

If law enforcement is abolished, then crime will run rampant.

If the Constitution is not followed, then so will the Federal Government.

If you are against secession, then don’t commit the acts that would lead the states to take the action.

If you want to prohibit the states from seceding, you are advertising your intent to subject them to tyranny.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 8:19 am
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Just as a would-be criminal is deterred by armed private citizens, the Federal Government can be restrained by the threat of secession.

Often it is the threat of punishment that will prevent the crime.

If law enforcement is abolished, then crime will run rampant.

If the Constitution is not followed, then so will the Federal Government.

If you are against secession, then don’t commit the acts that would lead the states to take the action.

If you want to prohibit the states from seceding, you are advertising your intent to subject them to tyranny.
Precisely, when the Federal Government abandons the Constitution, it is not governing by Rule of Law but by threat of force.

Our country was NOT founded this way. The constitution was written and signed in an enviorment of volunteerism. Back then each state had militias and the means to defend itself, so it had to be voluntary.

Now that the Federal Government has a standing army, they are choosing to violate a voluntarily signed document. Those wishing to secede have that right and can only be prevented by the oppressive use force and coercion of the Federal Government.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 8:20 am
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I believe if it were possible to preserve the union as it now stands, people wouldn't entertain the thought of secession.
Sadly, I see a government who through acts of "fairness doctrines" are attempting to stifle any thought other than that which the government wishes to present. It is none other than a communist ideology. How can citizens rise up against a government who would so pervert the idea of free dissemination of information. What are they afraid of? Why do they wish to silence Rush, Sean, Glen, etc. Because another side which is very popular is being heard. No, I wish it were true to be able to fight against tyranny, but I also realize that unity sometimes is not possible.
Obama is correct in that united people will stand, divided people will fall. We are completely divided in our opinions. Look at Newsweek to verify this....the celebration of the media is in embracing Socialism. Nancy Pelosi said she thought she'd never see the day. What do you really think she means... I feel she means that she now sees the day of a socialist government coming into power.
I can't be a socialist. It is too foreign to my ideological principles. I also feel that Rush, Sean, and our Conservative hosts are optimists. I truly wish I could feel that as well. There are too many looking for handouts. And now that the census is under the control of the White House, we will never have the opportunity for a majority voice again. Even if the majority may feel that we should have the freedoms to pursue happiness, that voice will never have the representation if Obama has it by his "change" principle.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 8:22 am
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Precisely, when the Federal Government abandons the Constitution, it is not governing by Rule of Law but by threat of force.

Our country was NOT founded this way. The constitution was written and signed in an enviorment of volunteerism. Back then each state had militias and the means to defend itself, so it had to be voluntary.

Now that the Federal Government has a standing army, they are choosing to violate a voluntarily signed document. Those wishing to secede have that right and can only be prevented by the oppressive use force and coercion of the Federal Government.
Bottom line is that States whose rights are being respected don’t normally wish to secede.
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I believe if it were possible to preserve the union as it now stands, people wouldn't entertain the thought of secession.
Sadly, I see a government who through acts of "fairness doctrines" are attempting to stifle any thought other than that which the government wishes to present. It is none other than a communist ideology. How can citizens rise up against a government who would so pervert the idea of free dissemination of information. What are they afraid of? Why do they wish to silence Rush, Sean, Glen, etc. Because another side which is very popular is being heard. No, I wish it were true to be able to fight against tyranny, but I also realize that unity sometimes is not possible.
Obama is correct in that united people will stand, divided people will fall. We are completely divided in our opinions. Look at Newsweek to verify this....the celebration of the media is in embracing Socialism. Nancy Pelosi said she thought she'd never see the day. What do you really think she means... I feel she means that she now sees the day of a socialist government coming into power.
I can't be a socialist. It is too foreign to my ideological principles. I also feel that Rush, Sean, and our Conservative hosts are optimists. I truly wish I could feel that as well. There are too many looking for handouts. And now that the census is under the control of the White House, we will never have the opportunity for a majority voice again. Even if the majority may feel that we should have the freedoms to pursue happiness, that voice will never have the representation if Obama has it by his "change" principle.
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There are those who wish to control the actions of others, Liberals/collectivists

And those who wish to live free and provide maximum freedom for all.

Of these two types only one demands obedience and wishes to impose it's rule. There is the major problem. Live and let live...a simply philosophy that promotes peace and the growth of society.On the other side the desire to enslave and exploit others is destructive and leads to societal degeneration.
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An unknown, inexperienced, black man with a Muslim background, who was born in Kenya, is friends with a terrorist, and whose pastor hates America.

I could have gotten pretty good odds on this one.

Oh, and his middle name is Hussein.
He wasnt born in Kenya
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Actually I think I said "Independence" and/or "Sovereignty" though out this thread. . . I believe its 22 now claiming sovereignty
None have done that
Did you read Zantax correction to your origianal statement?
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Bottom line is that States whose rights are being respected don’t normally wish to secede.
Are you leaving or not?
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Maybe he has already.
I doubt it. All I've seen are threats...
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