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    Default David Horowitz prefers name calling over debate on dangers of Article V Convention

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    SEE: David Horowitz: Why Conservatives Need to Amend the Constitution Now


    Mr. Horowitz begins his article by writing:


    ”What do the John Birch Society, Eagle Forum, Common Cause and Planned Parenthood have in common? They all oppose the states’ use of Article V of our Constitution to impose and enforce constitutional limits on Washington.” Mr. Horowitz goes on to write: ”While it is no surprise that Marxist-leaning groups would fight, tooth and nail, to resist any plan for breaking the federal government’s virtual monopoly on policy-making, all conservatives agree that this monopoly is a perversion of our federal system. But, sadly, the Left’s propaganda and junk history have brainwashed some conservatives into opposing the states’ use of constitutional power to check federal overreach.”


    Indeed, in Mr. Horowitz’s view, that conservatives who oppose the call for a convention under Article V have been “brainwashed” by, “the Left’s propaganda and junk history”, is absurd and disingenuous to say the least. In fact, conservatives who oppose the call base their reasoning on historical facts and unanswered questions which Mr. Horowitz should address rather than insulting these patriotic Americans and portray the opponents of an Article V convention as sympathizing with “Marxist-leaning groups” and “the radical Left”.


    Hey, Mr. Horowitz, how about addressing a few of the unanswered questions and dangers of calling a “convention of states”, which I might add is found nowhere in the text of the Constitution? The Constitution merely declares that Congress shall “call a Convention for proposing Amendments” if the required number of State Legislatures make application.


    In the meantime Mr. Horowitz, let me suggest you study Here Be Dragons: Dangers Of A Constitutional Convention and then address the dangers and unanswered questions instead of adolescent name calling.


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    ”The deception of the appeal for a "convention of states" lies first of all in the name of the project. If you open your pocket Constitution, it's easy to see that the convention authorized by Article V would not be a "convention of states" in any sense of the word.” __ Phyllis Schlafly, 5/24/2016

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    I will address it for you.............. there are no dangers except to statism.
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    Default Mr. Horowitz, how many delegates does each state send to a Convention of States?

    Since Mr. Horowitz presents himself as an authority on the calling of a convention under Article V, perhaps he will enlighten us to how many delegates each State gets to send to such a convention, or if Congress may appoint each state's delegates as Congress thinks proper and also decide how many delegates each state is entitled to.



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    Chief Justice, Warren Burger, stated in 1988, “I have also repeatedly given my opinion that there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The Convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the Convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the Convention would obey. After a Convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the Convention if we don’t like the agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the Confederation Congress ‘for the sole and express purpose.’ “

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    Default The origins of today's call for a constitutional convention

    From what I have observed over the years, many of those who gave us the United Nation's Charter, the Sixteenth Amendment, the Federal Reserve paper money system, the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and more recently the NAFTA, have been behind the call for a convention to rewrite our Constitution. One of its primary advocates was Rexford Guy Tugwell, one of the three original members of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal “brains trust,” and he authored The Constitution of the New States of America

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    At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished asked him directly, `Well, Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?' `A republic, if you can keep it,' responded Franklin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellsbane View Post
    I will address it for you.............. there are no dangers except to statism.
    How can that be true when the State and Federal statists would control every aspect of the convention and the ratification process of its doings?

    You are not making any sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellsbane View Post
    I will address it for you.............. there are no dangers except to statism.
    Did you miss my answer to you Hellsbane?


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    I guess there is no sound reasoning in defense of calling a convention at this point in time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    How can that be true when the State and Federal statists would control every aspect of the convention and the ratification process of its doings?

    You are not making any sense.


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    Without a Fifth Column Media, Yellow Journalism, Hollywood, and a corrupted FBI, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary

    Once convened, neither the Fed, especially the Fed, nor the states will have much control over what is produced. The states control will be reduced to either accepting or rejecting what is produced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellsbane View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    How can that be true when the State and Federal statists would control every aspect of the convention and the ratification process of its doings?

    You are not making any sense.


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    Without a Fifth Column Media, Yellow Journalism, Hollywood, and a corrupted FBI, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary



    Once convened, neither the Fed, especially the Fed, nor the states will have much control over what is produced. The states control will be reduced to either accepting or rejecting what is produced.
    Who would be in charge of selecting the delegates? Would it not be the current crop of statists who now violate our constitutions, state and federal?

    When you point out, “. . . neither the Fed, especially the Fed, nor the states will have much control over what is produced”, is it not a fact the delegates will be hand chosen by our current statists and could produce an amendment altering the ratification process as stated in Article V?

    Is it not a fact the Convention of 1787 altered the “unanimous consent” requirement under the Articles of Confederation and required a mere nine state approval to effectuate their doings, which was an entire rewrite of the Articles of Confederation? Is it not a fact the Convention’s limited mission in 1787 was stated as follows?

    “Resolved that in the opinion of Congress it is expedient that on the second Monday in May next a convention of delegates who shall have been appointed by the several states be held at Philadelphia for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation and reporting to Congress and the several legislatures such alterations and provisions therein as shall when agreed to in Congress and confirmed by the states render the federal constitution adequate to the exigencies of government and the preservation of the Union.”


    There are many unanswered questions and dangers attached to Congress being asked to call a convention at this point in time. And if such a call is made it would more than likely open a Pandora’s Box and set in motion violent political partisan unrest which our Fifth Column Media outlets and Yellow Journalists would stoke with a passion never before witnessed in our Country.

    Let us at least explore the unanswered questions and dangers of calling a convention, before there is no turning back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellsbane View Post
    Once convened, neither the Fed, especially the Fed, nor the states will have much control over what is produced. The states control will be reduced to either accepting or rejecting what is produced.
    Too dangerous. If the left gained control we would lose the first 2 amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooddad409 View Post
    Too dangerous. If the left gained control we would lose the first 2 amendments.
    With extremism, the threat to our rights, freedoms and liberties exist regardless. Does not matter if it happens via Convention of States or Government laws and regulations or Judicial revue, the threat is there. In our time, the threat has primarily been realized via Judicial revue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellsbane View Post
    With extremism, the threat to our rights, freedoms and liberties exist regardless. Does not matter if it happens via Convention of States or Government laws and regulations or Judicial revue, the threat is there. In our time, the threat has primarily been realized via Judicial revue.
    Well the liberal justices are trying to chip away. With a convention we could lose it all with one fell swoop.

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