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    Default Sarah Sanders needs to be the next one gone

    It seems the original spin the media gave us when the Porter scandal broke was orchestrated by Sarah Sanders and...ROB PORTER. Sanders arranged a meeting with herself, Rob Porter, and four reporters. Porter told his version of the story, and it does not appear that John Kelly was even aware they were meeting. That is why the stories have not been straightened out even to this day, and why Sanders needs to go.

    The four reporters were NYT's Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan of Axios, WaPo's Josh Dawsey, and Michael Bender of the WSJ.

    Sanders also said on Monday that the reason that Porter was still working on an interim security clearance was because he had not been approved by law enforcement and the intelligence community. However, it does not appear to work that way as the FBI simply investigates the person and provides their findings to the WH. The WH is supposed to have an office that would evaluate the findings and make a decision of clearances. So either Sanders lied (very possible) or she is simply uninformed (also very possible).

    Meanwhile, it seems like Kelly is taking the sword in this debacle. I guess in this he is the good Marine. Time will tell if he survives the wound.

    Sanders lies everyday. She has to. Her boss lies all the time as well, and she has to lie to cover for him. It's a disgusting display, but I get why she does it. That is not why she needs to go however. If she left, they'd simply replace her with someone else who would have to lie, and nothing would change there. But this meeting with the reporters and Porter as the first part of damage control was a very poor decision, and this scandal still lives on because of it.

    She needs to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameHeart View Post
    I can't say for sure. I think that he needs to be put on administrative leave until the issue is sorted out. As a survivor of abuse myself (and I know people aren't going to like me using personal ancedotes in this case because it looks like I'm throwing a pity party), I do feel for her on a personal and deep level, if she is/was being abused by her husband.

    I know how hard it is to leave or report the incident, because you're afraid of what they'll do to you (especially if there's a dependency on them). I'm still in my situation myself, but my mother has gotten better about it since she saw what I wrote about her in Hannityland (my laptop was open and she decided to go through my posts. I'm lucky that she didn't post anything "on my behalf."). Initially she lied about seeing it, but then hit me with it late one night. I had to barricade my door with my dresser that night because I was that scared she was going to attack me in my sleep or try to remove me from the house. The next day, she actually apologized for what she did, but I don't know how long this "honeymoon period" is going to last.

    That said, the evedence does not look very conclusive. There have been women who cry wolf and it is hurting actual abuse victims, because it brings into question the validity of all their stories. Being in politics, it's already bad enough because there's the question if it's being used for political purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameHeart View Post
    Sometimes people are afraid what their abuser will do if they find out that they reported it to the police. It may result in more abuse. I could also ask, "Why didn't she leave?" Same reason, in addition to sometimes they can't leave because of legal and/or financial commitments or dependencies. Then there's Stockholm syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul Goodman View Post
    Turns out Kelly has always been a retrograde Deplorable, based on his performance on this and other issues. He just looks so damn good in that uniform and doesn't tweet.
    Lol crazy how far our expectations have fallen when Twitter is our baseline. We are living in a truly bizarro world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameHeart View Post
    I am. I said in this very thread, that I understand why she may not have reported it to the police. But I also looked at the pictures, and some of the evidence doesn't look like someone was holding her down and beating her. Maybe an assault, which still counts as domestic violence. But not on a repeated basis- it looks like a one-time thing. I'll find the post and tag you, so you can see what I've said in this thread.
    Amazing. She had a pretty sizable shiner. How does this work, get one free punch?

    Two ex wives. They have similar stories, and both have numerous corroborating witnesses. At that point, withholding provisional assent to the question of "is Rob Porter a violent abuser" would be perverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwil59 View Post
    The facts show she lied about that clearance buddy. It's that simple. I like her too, and i have always liked her dad. But she lied buddy. rather or not she knew she was lying who knows, but she lied about that clearance cause they had the data last July. I would have been fired in July.

    But as usual, there is one set of rules for the Hillary and the Trumps of the world and another for us. From the look of my paycheck there is also a tax bill for them and one for us as well. I cannot believe I trusted Trump when he said I would get more take home pay. My bad, he is a liar.

    What I'm hearing is that the FBI made it known that two ex-wives said he was verbally and emotionally abusive. One said it got physical. Porter denied them and claimed they were disgruntled from the separation. Then this month, the picture came out that was taken in 2005 that showed one wife's black eye. That changed the course of the WH's actions and words towards Porter. Is that your understanding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excast View Post
    Of all of the people who could be given a job with a high level security clearance, why fixate on a man who can't get cleared by intelligence agencies because multiple women have accused him of beating them? Even if the man wasn't charged with a crime, that is still some truly nasty business hanging over his head.
    You of course failed to answer the question and instead deflect with the above.
    "When were the allegations of abuse confirmed"?
    Nobody was "fixated" on this guy until after he was fired.

    You have no idea when it was determined that he could not be given a clearance through the standard protocols but by all appearances he had been doing an admirable job in the position he held right up until the point at which Kelley found out he'd lied about the allegations of abuse at which time he was summarily fired and appropriately so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildRose View Post
    You of course failed to answer the question and instead deflect with the above.


    Nobody was "fixated" on this guy until after he was fired.

    You have no idea when it was determined that he could not be given a clearance through the standard protocols but by all appearances he had been doing an admirable job in the position he held right up until the point at which Kelley found out he'd lied about the allegations of abuse at which time he was summarily fired and appropriately so.
    I get that you accept the White House’s version of events.

    But I don’t think you should expect others to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smyrna View Post
    What I'm hearing is that the FBI made it known that two ex-wives said he was verbally and emotionally abusive. One said it got physical. Porter denied them and claimed they were disgruntled from the separation. Then this month, the picture came out that was taken in 2005 that showed one wife's black eye. That changed the course of the WH's actions and words towards Porter. Is that your understanding?
    No, but I could be wrong guy cause i have not been keeping up all that well. My understanding is that last July the investigation uncovered the allegations and advised that the clearance be denied. Then the WH sent it back for further review and in January they made the same recommendation again. I don't believe in people in the WH or anywhere else getting any kind of a break that everybody else don't get in these investigations.

    I saw an article alert on my phone today that said the investigators are disputing the WH story but I didn't read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildRose View Post
    You of course failed to answer the question and instead deflect with the above.


    Nobody was "fixated" on this guy until after he was fired.

    You have no idea when it was determined that he could not be given a clearance through the standard protocols but by all appearances he had been doing an admirable job in the position he held right up until the point at which Kelley found out he'd lied about the allegations of abuse at which time he was summarily fired and appropriately so.
    He was fired? I thought Sanders said he resigned on his own accord when the allegations went public. Not that it matters other than determining rather or not Sanders was telling the truth. She is only saying what she is told to say I imagine.

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