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    Default Was Adam condemned for wanting to do Godís will?

    Was Adam condemned for wanting to do Godís will?

    Gen 1;28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply.

    Above we see Godís first and most important command to Adam.

    Reproduction, as you will know, has certain conditions that must be known and met before a person can accomplish that wonderful task. Knowledge of the functions of our bodies is absolutely needed before reproduction can take place. Desire in our minds, lust that is, must also exist for the good function of our reproductive system. That desire and the lust it produces is required to begin to initiate the sexual cycle that allows reproduction to take place. These conditions are subject to good and evil and so Adan had no knowledge or desire to reproduce as he did not have any knowledge of good and evil. Adam could not do Godís will and command to reproduce. As scriptures say, his eyes were not open.

    The only way Adam could follow Godís command was to open his eyes. The only way to open his eyes was to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. When Adam recognized this and decided to do so, and gain the knowledge and desire to reproduce, God condemned Adam and Eve to death. This seems wrong to me as scriptures say that justice is close to an eye for an eye.

    Should God have condemned Adam to death for his desire to follow Godís first command and taking the steps required to do so?

    Christian and Catholic dogma seems conflicted on this issue as the hymn they sing of this issue says that Adams sin was a happy fault and necessary to Godís plan for man to reproduce.

    Knowing that what Adam did was necessary for Godís plan, was it an evil act for Adan to open his eyes so that he could gain the knowledge required to follow Godís first and most important command?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    Rape, be it mostly a control crime or sin, still has a sexual component and if you do not see that sexual component as evil, then we have nothing that we will likely ever agree on.
    Rape is about power, dominance and control, not sex. Sex is just used to degrade women - or men as men do get raped as well.

    Sex, in and of itself, is not evil. Do you believe it is?
    "Let joy and innocence prevail."
    "Everyone's important to somebody."
    "Sticks and stones may break bones, but words can break hearts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex McAlpine View Post
    Rape is about power, dominance and control, not sex. Sex is just used to degrade women - or men as men do get raped as well.

    Sex, in and of itself, is not evil. Do you believe it is?
    Sex has both good and evil aspects.

    We have an example right here, as a part of rape, that is definitely evil.

    I will let you tell a victim of rape that the sex she had to endure was good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    I will let you tell a victim of rape that the sex she had to endure was good.
    I never implied that a woman, or man, being raped was having "good sex." She/he is not having sex at all. Nor is the rapist.
    "Let joy and innocence prevail."
    "Everyone's important to somebody."
    "Sticks and stones may break bones, but words can break hearts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex McAlpine View Post
    I never implied that a woman, or man, being raped was having "good sex." She/he is not having sex at all. Nor is the rapist.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    Rape is not sex. Period. It may be masturbation..as well as being a power trip for the perpetrator... .
    "Let joy and innocence prevail."
    "Everyone's important to somebody."
    "Sticks and stones may break bones, but words can break hearts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    Rape, be it mostly a control crime or sin, still has a sexual component and if you do not see that sexual component as evil, then we have nothing that we will likely ever agree on.
    Well that may be the only thing we agree on, that we will never likely agree on anything else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    Without the knowledge of good and evil, A & E could not know abut lust because lust, like all things, are subject to good and evil.

    They would not know to choose appropriate lust and sew or inappropriate lust or sex.

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    Not true. The trees in Eden had nothing to do with sex.

    Actually, there were 3 trees in Eden.

    1. The tree that was pleasant to the sight and good for food.
    2. The tree of life in the middle of the garden - Adam and Eve's unhindered relationship with God.
    3. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    The first tree sustained the body, the second tree sustained life, the third tree brought death.

    Laws are given to define wrongdoing. Sin is transgression of law.

    "Yet if it had not been for the law, I should not have known sin" Romans 7:7. Law gives us the knowledge of good and evil.

    Paul says that what he thought would bring life to him, brought death. "The power of sin is the law." 1 Cor 15. Law brings death because no one can keep law perfectly. Law brings no promise of life. Man is dependent wholly on grace.

    When God said "do not eat" that forbade Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, He laid down a law right there. When they ate of the tree, they transgressed God's law. Their eyes were opened and they immediately knew good from evil. It is as simple as that.

    To say that lusting for a spouse is wrong, and sex within a marriage is sin, we make God a liar. If we have hangups, they are ours, not God's.

    Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled."

    Jesus is that tree of life who gives us unhindered fellowship with God. He is "full of grace and truth. He set man free from the curse of law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Sweet View Post
    Not true. The trees in Eden had nothing to do with sex.

    Actually, there were 3 trees in Eden.

    1. The tree that was pleasant to the sight and good for food.
    2. The tree of life in the middle of the garden - Adam and Eve's unhindered relationship with God.
    3. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    The first tree sustained the body, the second tree sustained life, the third tree brought death.

    Laws are given to define wrongdoing. Sin is transgression of law.

    "Yet if it had not been for the law, I should not have known sin" Romans 7:7. Law gives us the knowledge of good and evil.

    Paul says that what he thought would bring life to him, brought death. "The power of sin is the law." 1 Cor 15. Law brings death because no one can keep law perfectly. Law brings no promise of life. Man is dependent wholly on grace.

    When God said "do not eat" that forbade Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, He laid down a law right there. When they ate of the tree, they transgressed God's law. Their eyes were opened and they immediately knew good from evil. It is as simple as that.

    To say that lusting for a spouse is wrong, and sex within a marriage is sin, we make God a liar. If we have hangups, they are ours, not God's.

    Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled."

    Jesus is that tree of life who gives us unhindered fellowship with God. He is "full of grace and truth. He set man free from the curse of law.
    "Do not commit murder. "

    Doesn't seem like much of a curse to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Sweet View Post
    Not true. The trees in Eden had nothing to do with sex.

    Actually, there were 3 trees in Eden.

    1. The tree that was pleasant to the sight and good for food.
    2. The tree of life in the middle of the garden - Adam and Eve's unhindered relationship with God.
    3. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    The first tree sustained the body, the second tree sustained life, the third tree brought death.

    Laws are given to define wrongdoing. Sin is transgression of law.

    "Yet if it had not been for the law, I should not have known sin" Romans 7:7. Law gives us the knowledge of good and evil.

    Paul says that what he thought would bring life to him, brought death. "The power of sin is the law." 1 Cor 15. Law brings death because no one can keep law perfectly. Law brings no promise of life. Man is dependent wholly on grace.

    When God said "do not eat" that forbade Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, He laid down a law right there. When they ate of the tree, they transgressed God's law. Their eyes were opened and they immediately knew good from evil. It is as simple as that.

    To say that lusting for a spouse is wrong, and sex within a marriage is sin, we make God a liar. If we have hangups, they are ours, not God's.

    Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled."

    Jesus is that tree of life who gives us unhindered fellowship with God. He is "full of grace and truth. He set man free from the curse of law.
    True that it is not a tree of sex, but it is the tree where the knowledge of good and evil sex is.

    As to the rest of what you put, you have made up your own un-biblical version and I will not speak to your made up version because I have nowhere in scripture to get the details and you have not supplied any quotes.

    Regard
    DL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koushi Shinigami View Post
    "Do not commit murder. "

    Doesn't seem like much of a curse to me
    Jesus said "For the law was given by Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

    The law of Moses had a weakness; it could bring death, but not life. It made nothing perfect - (Hebrews 7:18.) It promised life, but proved to be death - (Romans 7:10), because a person was required to keep all the law or be cursed - (Gal. 3:19), and none could keep it all.

    Everyone under that law had the sentence of death. That same weakness prevents any law from saving. Law has no power to save.

    Romans 13:8

    "Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

    Galatians 5:1 "For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery."

    Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

    This commandment of love is the only commandment we have under the New Covenant of Christ. "Love does no wrong to a neighbor." No coveting, no stealing, no killing. . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    True that it is not a tree of sex, but it is the tree where the knowledge of good and evil sex is.

    As to the rest of what you put, you have made up your own un-biblical version and I will not speak to your made up version because I have nowhere in scripture to get the details and you have not supplied any quotes.

    Regard
    DL
    You don't know where to find the three trees in Eden?

    "And out of the ground the Lord God made to grow every (1) tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the (2) tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the (3) tree of the knowledge of good and evil." Genesis 2:9

    Quote Originally Posted by One Male View Post
    it is the tree where the knowledge of good and evil sex is.
    Only two people in the garden - a man and his wife. How evil could the sex be?

    I gave Scripture references for everything else, didn't I? If not, do you have a specific part in my post where I failed to do that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Sweet View Post
    Jesus said "For the law was given by Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17
    Really. Jesus said that? To whom was Jesus speaking?


    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Sweet View Post
    The law of Moses had a weakness; it could bring death, but not life.
    (snip)
    Following the commandment to not commit murder does not bring death. That's the definition of not murdering.
    Last edited by Koushi Shinigami; February 19th, 2018 at 4:54 am.
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