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    Default The truth is a lot of these countries are what trump described them

    In libya right now there is a massive slave trade going on. Sold by arab africans by arab africans. isis is running wild in libya, poeple are being tortured and murdered the economy is in shambles. How would you exactly describe this country.

    This is haiti. Haitians are hard working people. They have been devastated by hurricanes and earthquakes. But the fact is the reason millions of haitians are desp trying to leave the island and the reason why liberals dont want to send haitians back is because ITS A **** HOLE COUNTRY.

    In pakistan where i lived for a time. Women are honor killed for refusing to marry men they are not in love with. Tribal elders order rapes of women who disaboy the tribe. The taliban is powerful in pakistan. poeple AND animals literally **** on the streets in pakistan. its a filthy country.

    I understand for liberals live in a world where there is 68 genders and not dating a trans women means your a bigot but the fact is. in a lot of these 3rd world countries the governments and the country are hell holes. Its not reflective of the entire population but poeple are running away from iraq or syria because its a utopia. the difference between trump and the rest of these idiots is that trump sais publicly what they think and say privately.

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    clarification ,

    first PART - I believe those countries are ****hole countries (libya, pakistan, iran, haiti) this part i believe is true and think we can all agree with trump weere just not at open about.
    SECOND part - Just because they are ****hole countries NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO COME HERE. its one thing to say the first, its a another to say the second. IF trump said they should not come here cause there blacks from a ****hole country and there race as the basis of the reason why they should or should not be allowed. THAT IS A RACIST POINT OF VIEW and i dont accept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    His “colorful” language reminds me of Lyndon Johnson.
    Both negotiators looking to leverage their positions. Both keep the competition off balance while moving forward to meet their goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    Where is race in “**** hole countries”? Are you saying that countries have race?
    Just Google "Trump Racism" and click and read to your heart's delight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    again my issue with his comment isn't calling those countries ****holes.
    my comment is how he phrased it

    he said "Why are we letting people in from these ****hole countries"
    like being born in one of those countries determine ones merit someone born in Africa is no less valuable or gifted as someone born in Poland.
    each immigrant should be valued on their own merit.

    what Trump is suggesting is someone people are inherently less worthy of citizenship and opportunity because of the soil they are born on.
    that is pure bigotry.
    If, as you suggested, we judged each immigrant on their own merits, how do you think applicants from Haiti would stack up against say (as Trump suggested) applicants from Norway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    They should be charged and sentence.
    murder is a crime.

    how is that any different then a christian parent killing their son because he is homosexual.
    I agree, but that’s a law enforcement response., not an immigration issue. What we were discussing was, to use your words, “people come to America from all corners of the earth because they want the chance to achieve their dreams.” Do their dreams include bringing their laws and violent traditions with them at the expense of ours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    The President think the soil on which one is born determine their merit.
    that is pure bigotry
    That could be, but probability is with the President on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    I agree, but that’s a law enforcement response., not an immigration issue. What we were discussing was, to use your words, “people come to America from all corners of the earth because they want the chance to achieve their dreams.” Do their dreams include bringing their laws and violent traditions with them at the expense of ours?
    I also said they should be judged based on their own merit.
    if someone view the concept of murdering their own daughter as honorable don't let them in.
    but don't issue blanket statement for everyone in that country based on the merit of the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    If, as you suggested, we judged each immigrant on their own merits, how do you think applicants from Haiti would stack up against say (as Trump suggested) applicants from Norway?
    would depend individual wouldn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    Yes.

    someone born in Liberia is no more less gifted as someone born in Canada.
    we should be judged based on our own merit period.

    to suggest one is inherently better because of their birth place is straight up Nazi/Colonialist ideology.

    Immigration should be based on merit of the person applying.
    I agree, but the fact is, there is a much higher probability that the typical immigrant from Norway is going to have much more merit that the typical immigrant from Haiti or equatorial Africa. We should not be making it easier to immigrate from those countries (which was the discussion in which Trump made is statement) at the expense of immigrants from first world countries. The US Government’s first duty is to the security and betterment this country, not as a humanitarian agency for the downtrodden masses of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    Your to hung up on the "Race" part and are not seeing he big picture.
    When someone accuses someone of racism, it’s hard to avoid the issue of race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    one in five people in Canadian is foreign born immigrant make up 20% of the total population.
    highest in the G8, second highest in the world.
    Good. Report back when it’s 80%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilwestsidefan View Post
    The big picture is he is leveraging his position to get what he wants. The sh*t hole comment was for shock value to see the reaction so he can decide which way to maneuver next. Bottom line he is going to build the wall, and he wants to get rid of charity immigration and impose merit based immigration. Let's see how far he gets, or if they can the whole thing and start deporting the Daca illegals.
    I seriously doubt that. I think he called them **** holes because that best describes them ... even to the people who live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    majority of U.S immigrant come for South America and Asia.
    Which you just described as **** holes.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo
    9% of immigrants come for Europe/North America the rest are from ****hole countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sewell View Post
    Just Google "Trump Racism" and click and read to your heart's delight.
    I believe you. I’m sure if I do I will get a broad sampling of leftist web sites on the first dozen or so pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    I also said they should be judged based on their own merit.
    if someone view the concept of murdering their own daughter as honorable don't let them in.
    but don't issue blanket statement for everyone in that country based on the merit of the worst.
    Do you think that question is on the application?

    Trump’s offhand blanket statement in the meeting (not to the public) does not constitute the issuing of a blanket statement on immigration. Get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianJudo View Post
    would depend individual wouldn't it.
    Now you are getting it.

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