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    The “Christian” church is built upon Peter and Paul. As for Paul, he was all things to all men, a Gentile to the Gentiles, and a Pharisee of Pharisees to the Jew. Somewhat like a politician, he spoke the words he thought would save the unwashed plebeians, or in our culture, the “deplorables”. Like politicians, Paul was about collecting money, and his programmed time for collecting was on the first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 The collection was supposedly for Jerusalem, but as Paul had 40 guys in Jerusalem who had vowed to slay him, I am thinking he never returned to Jerusalem. It would be hard to get the same 470 Roman soldiers to protect him, as when he escaped in the first place. As for Paul’s politics, Paul didn’t actually promise a chicken in every pot, like most politicians, but he did promise “you surely shall not die”, and be twinkled, if you just follow me. Just nail the truth, the Law and the prophets, and common sense to some pagan symbol, which in this case was the cross, and subsequently, “we” will live. (1 Corinthians 15:52)

    On the other hand, Peter has passed his torch to the pope, whose church owns high end property in the amount of 177 million acres, with its own country, the Vatican, and its own army. He also collects his proceeds, as Paul, on the first day of the week, the day of the sun, in honor of Sol Invictus, the god of Constantine, the institutor of the Roman church. The pope tries to speak what his kind of people want to hear, but the agenda he is pushing, is from a left progressive viewpoint, save the world point of view from the point of view of a socialist. Of course his “global warming” point of view is a sham, and it only contributes to the poor becoming poorer. The 33,000 Protestant organizations are extremely wealthy, but are separate entities, which dilutes their individual portfolios.
    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/the-10-richest-religions-in-the-world/
    http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3/#pope-benedict-13


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndpillar View Post
    However it is done, it should be done fairly. In the case of the Churches, the taxation Amendment of the Constitution excludes special status for Churches.
    What taxation amendment of the Constitution?
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." C.S. Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndpillar View Post
    AA wrote (in green): So the Church is just a business?

    Me, me, can I answer? (As for your complaints about my response format, keep in mind that during daytime hours, my internet speed does not allow me use quote reply response without locking up). Most of the time, I can’t even edit because of internet speed issues. Everything has to be written on a notepad and pasted, and because of format issues, it is generally not in conformity with how it was written.

    The Roman Catholic Church is a monarchy, with its ruler residing in Rome, with their own country and their own army. They direct operations from Rome, and own approximately 177 million acres of property throughout the world. They claim that their leader, the pope, who takes on the role of Pontifix Maximus, the role Caesar took from the head pagan priest, as keeper of the gods, and through ex cathedra, speaks apparently for God, since he cannot be in error. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility They have their own bank, and apparently one of the major depositors was the Italian mafia, in an effort to launder money. Of course they are a business, with hordes of gold, money, art, and land. They sell indulgences (freedom from sin), ceremonies, extreme unction, and pay no taxes, which is in against the direct admonition of Amendment 1 of the U.S. constitution, which reads:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    To tax religion is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
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    PD wrote (in green): To tax religion is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

    My response: The government taxes me, and here I am, exercising all my freedom of speech, without govenment repercussions. Other than by the former IRS chief, with respect to Conservatives, there is no problem. Such corruption wouldn’t occur if all non profits, including churches were taxed. If they don’t make a profit, what is there to tax? If they make a profit, what is complaint?


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    PD wrote (in green): To tax religion is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

    My response: The government taxes me, and here I am, exercising all my freedom of speech, without govenment repercussions. Other than by the former IRS chief, with respect to Conservatives, there is no problem. Such corruption wouldn’t occur if all non profits, including churches were taxed. If they don’t make a profit, what is there to tax? If they make a profit, what is the complaint?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndpillar View Post
    PD wrote (in green): To tax religion is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

    My response: The government taxes me, and here I am, exercising all my freedom of speech, without government repercussions. Other than by the former IRS chief, with respect to Conservatives, there is no problem. Such corruption wouldn’t occur if all nonprofits, including churches, were taxed. If they don’t make a profit, what is there to tax? If they make a profit, what is the complaint?
    The short answer is you need to find enough congressmen to write up a new tax code that supports the removal of any form of tax-exempt status and get it through all the Supreme Court challenges (going to be hard, the legal precedent goes back to 1894).
    The heel of a Christian should never be brought to bear upon the unbeliever, but should bear up under the weight of the Christian, kneeling in humble service to all.

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