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    Default Al Franken should NOT resign. I hate hypocrisy i don't care who is doing it

    It seems as if al franken gets a little touchy touchy with pictures. I hate him. i hate hes politics. i think hes a rabid liberal. but he should not resign. Not as long as conyers, moore, trump and any other politician accused of sexual misconduct resigns.

    First i believe unless a criminal doing was done it should be up to the voters to decide if the candidate wants to stay. being immoral has never stopped a politician from running before so why start now? unless franken did something criminal. Why should he be forced to resign but moore win a senate seat? Why does trump get to stay? heck i think more women accused trump of sexual misconduct then they have al franken. so the president gets to stay? but someone below him has to go?

    Franken should stay and tell liberals and consv to **** off. If the voters hate hes conduct so much they can vote him out of office. i would be pissed as hell if i had to resign for something the president of the united states gets to stay for.

    BTW menedez from NJ did things ten times worse then franken and no one asked him to resign.
    went to heaven.. couldnt get in.. for what i had done.. i said forsake me.. they said your crazy.. youve done to much harm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBH View Post
    Expect Bill Clinton to become non grata at the Democrat party even though they worshiped him at the 2012 convention. They can't put on their pretense of moral superiority unless they get rid of Franken and disclaim Bill. But to keep this up, there may be some other Bigs among the Democrats who are going to have to take a fall, just like Conyers did. We just don't know who they are, yet.
    Never, he is like Reagan is to Republicans. Clinton is that guy...he is the present day JFK. It doesn't matter that Kennedy had all kinds of affairs does it. Clinton beat impeachment. Therefore he did nothing wrong. It does not matter. Clinton will never be Persona Non Grata...At least not Bill. Hillary on the other hand...well you know.
    When you say "radical right", I think of these fellows who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye. ​Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOnStraight View Post
    Touching a woman's butt in a photo shoot, or attempting to kiss her, is not sexual harassment. It is boorish and inappropriate, but if all the man does is touch your butt, or try to kiss you one time during a chance meeting, it's not sexual harassment.

    It would be different if you were Franken's employee or his subordinate at the work place, or if he were a repeat offender with this type of behavior with you.

    Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person's sex."
    So, if it was a gay man, grabbing your ass, or trying to kiss you.....you would just blow it off, and "man up" and move on?

    Would it matter if that person was your boss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBH View Post
    Expect Bill Clinton to become non grata at the Democrat party even though they worshiped him at the 2012 convention. They can't put on their pretense of moral superiority unless they get rid of Franken and disclaim Bill. But to keep this up, there may be some other Bigs among the Democrats who are going to have to take a fall, just like Conyers did. We just don't know who they are, yet.
    And if they do take a fall, can we count on Republicans to do the right thing, or will they continue to thump their Bibles while giving full throated support to accused sexual predators and child molesters?
    "I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag" - Molly Ivins

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOnStraight View Post
    Touching a woman's butt in a photo shoot, or attempting to kiss her, is not sexual harassment. It is boorish and inappropriate, but if all the man does is touch your butt, or try to kiss you one time during a chance meeting, it's not sexual harassment.

    It would be different if you were Franken's employee or his subordinate at the work place, or if he were a repeat offender with this type of behavior with you.

    Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person's sex."
    Sexual Harassment also extends to other entities doing business with your company. A woman works for COmpany X, a contractor for Company X...say an IT guy...gropes a woman in the server room of Company X...she has been sexually harassed and it is Company X's responsibility to ensure that none of it's contractors violate their work place policies...So yeah...it is sexual harassment if it happens in the work place or while on a work related function. If it is not a work related thing...then it's probably sexual misconduct.
    When you say "radical right", I think of these fellows who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye. ​Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameHeart View Post
    Actually, I'm for both (I've switched my view on birth control. I think that if Viagra is free for men's health benefits, then birth control should also be free for women's health benefits). It's just a matter of finding the resources to make it happen that may be a problem- i.e., in Oklahoma, they struggling to find teachers, since the job pays so little in this state. Thus, it would be hard to find teachers to teach sex education.
    What would the penalty be for the Dr. and woman who terminated a pregnancy at 8 weeks?

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    Franken has announced his resignation.
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameHeart View Post
    Actually, I'm for both (I've switched my view on birth control. I think that if Viagra is free for men's health benefits, then birth control should also be free for women's health benefits). It's just a matter of finding the resources to make it happen that may be a problem- i.e., in Oklahoma, they struggling to find teachers, since the job pays so little in this state. Thus, it would be hard to find teachers to teach sex education.
    Not to nitpick, but I don't think that Viagra is free. It's actually quite costly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perdidochas View Post
    He supports killing fetuses. Nothing to fall for, that's the truth.
    He does? Viable fetuses? Show his comments saying he supports that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excast View Post
    And if they do take a fall, can we count on Republicans to do the right thing, or will they continue to thump their Bibles while giving full throated support to accused sexual predators and child molesters?
    I've watched interviews from the last few days from Kellyanne C. and Molester Moore's spokeshole....both of them saying "what about Franken? What about Conyers? They are still in Congress."

    Well...............now what about them?

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    Franken is being sacrificed as the dems sin-eater. And it is really no sacrifice. Another liberal democrat will be appointed. The party loses nothing. Same with Conyers. The only reason he is being forced out is because they feel it is going to be politically advantageous for midterms. And as much as I dislike Franken, if he really feels the accusations are not true, he should not resign. The voters should decide what should happen to Franken based in the evidence. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, right? Clinton was proven guilty. He didn’t step down. Ted Kennedy killed a staffer he was messing around with, and he was called the “Lion of the Senate.”

    Let’s just be real. Nothing has changed. Franken was a political move, and nothing more. It has nothing to do with the treatment of women. Nothing at all. If there were any chance that Franken would be replaced by a Republican, there would be no cry for him to step doen. The matter would go to an ethics investigation, where it would lanquish and die.

    Same with Moore, really, but at least the voters will make the decision. If they don’t believe the accusations, he could win. If they do, he will lose. But at least the voters are allowed input. Now, if Moore wins and an investigation is started, at least he has a chance to address his accusers and defend himself. He would then also have to go through another election in a short time, since he is just filling a vacancy. Franken should have had the same chance, IMO. It’s all about politics, not women, on both sides. Come on! Let’s be honest.

    And Kirsten Gillibrand calling on Franken to step down, after campaigning with Bill Clinton and praising himand Hillary, is just a joke. What a hypocrite. Once again....purely political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilwestsidefan View Post
    Interesting how that baggage shows up after 40 years of public service. This whole thing is a bunch of liberal BS.
    It's not all that odd that Moore's behavior has been under wraps for a few decades.

    When I was in high school (class of 1984), our high school band director raped at least a half dozen of my classmates (probably many more). The stories have just come out into the open in the past year. The reasons why the women were quiet for decades:

    * They each thought they were the only one
    * They thought they had given consent (a drunk 14 year old cannot give consent)
    * They felt guilty or ashamed of themselves
    * They were afraid because he was an authority figure (a teacher who went on to local government before returning to education in another state)
    * They worried that admitting what happened would compel them to take legal action and they didn't have the energy for that

    So they kept quiet for decades.

    I can't imagine that their actions are unique.

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    Somehow it seems to come down to:

    If they are a democrat, believe the women and shun the accused.

    IF they are a republican, those bitches are lying.



    If Trump and Moore had a tenth of the morals required, they would step down as well. I think Trump somehow has convinced himself that all the women he forced himself on, all the Ms Teen contestants he intruded on while they were dressing, all the women he grabbed by the *****, WANTED HIM TO DO SO. He is so narcissistic that he seems to have convinced himself.

    Moore on the other hand is so kooky that he probably thinks God sees him as a modern day Joseph and all the teen girls he molested as modern day Mary's and he was SENT to make modern day little Alabama Jesuses. He is pretty far out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjoanne View Post
    If I lived in Alabama the right choice for me would be Lee Busby, the write in candidate.

    He won't win obviously, but then I never thought Evan McMullen would either.

    Since the winner will be either Moore or Jones. I don't like or trust any Democrats, but in my opinion Jones should win, because I don't want someone in Congress who:

    Is credibly accused of sexual assault of a minor
    Believes Muslims should be banned from running for office
    Thinks gays should be in jail
    Is a "birther"
    Believes it's ok to defy the law if it's a law he disagrees with

    So yes, guess I'm saying Jones is the right choice even though I'd vote for someone else.

    And yes I believe partial birth abortion has been banned, back when Bush was in office. Only repeating what he told Chuck Todd awhile ago.

    Anyway it's not my place to tell you how I think you should vote. Just glad it won't be for Moore. But it's really not my business, only saying what I'd do if in a similar situation.
    I don't know anything about Busby but i am going to check him out. I have heard of that family because they are Tuscaloosa natives. He got 5% in the last poll i saw, which was enough to give Jones a 3 point lead. Busby being in might be what Jones needs to win. I am reading up on him, very interesting guy, retired marine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjoanne View Post
    So women should "man up" and take sexual harrassment and rape?

    Women in the entertainment and media industries and in Congress have been bullied, harrassed, threatened and assaulted for decades but they need to "man up?

    Is this for real?

    No wonder you support Trump.
    Yeah fight back and kick some butt, old days it was a slap in the face, and who said anything about rape, no one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjoanne View Post
    You think most people in Alabama believe gays should be in jail, Muslims banned from office, and they can break the law if they don't like it without consequence, and that Obama was born outside the USA?

    Is this really the type of person you want in Congress?
    Take a good look at Congress should fit right in.

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