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    Default "Common Sense Gun Laws for Mass Shootings"

    A lot of calls for more laws. I'm ready.

    You propose the law you want and we'll debate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobulis View Post
    No it doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobulis View Post
    It was the same people, did they undergo some magic transformation?
    No. They, like Dr. Frankenstein created something with the best of intentions. Like Dr. Frankenstein and his creation, their creation ran amok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panhead0422 View Post
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    The Constitution. The 5th Amendment clearly states that he cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. Passing a law that deprives him of life, liberty, or property is NOT due process, that would be prior restraint which is unconstitutional.

    Of course you are going to deny that. The Constitution doesn't mean what it says, right?


    Background checks convict you of being a criminal prior to you having been arrested and having gotten a criminal trial simply by presuming that you have already committed a crime. Where is the due process in that? To get that conviction overturned you have to appeal it to the federal government who then holds an impromptu trial of your past history to determine rather or not you have committed a felony or are an adjudged mental patient. Again, please explain how that is Due Process of the law.
    Further they prevent you from possessing the firearm that you just bought and paid for for at least three days and possibly more if your background check does not get reported to the seller as being cleared and okay to deliver. By what right does the government deny that they have a duty to provide due process of the law to a citizen before denying him or her their rights guaranteed by the Constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobulis View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Yes, It does. This law presumes that you are a convicted felon, a known drug user or have been adjudged mentally deranged. That is NOT the presumption of innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW. That is the presumption of GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panhead0422 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    The Constitution. The 5th Amendment clearly states that he cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. Passing a law that deprives him of life, liberty, or property is NOT due process, that would be prior restraint which is unconstitutional.

    Of course you are going to deny that. The Constitution doesn't mean what it says, right?


    Background checks convict you of being a criminal prior to you having been arrested and having gotten a criminal trial simply by presuming that you have already committed a crime. Where is the due process in that? To get that conviction overturned you have to appeal it to the federal government who then holds an impromptu trial of your past history to determine rather or not you have committed a felony or are an adjudged mental patient. Again, please explain how that is Due Process of the law.
    Further they prevent you from possessing the firearm that you just bought and paid for for at least three days and possibly more if your background check does not get reported to the seller as being cleared and okay to deliver. By what right does the government deny that they have a duty to provide due process of the law to a citizen before denying him or her their rights guaranteed by the Constitution?



    Yes, It does. This law presumes that you are a convicted felon, a known drug user or have been adjudged mentally deranged. That is NOT the presumption of innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW. That is the presumption of GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.
    A background check is to find out these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panhead0422 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    The Constitution. The 5th Amendment clearly states that he cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. Passing a law that deprives him of life, liberty, or property is NOT due process, that would be prior restraint which is unconstitutional.

    Of course you are going to deny that. The Constitution doesn't mean what it says, right?


    Background checks convict you of being a criminal prior to you having been arrested and having gotten a criminal trial simply by presuming that you have already committed a crime. Where is the due process in that? To get that conviction overturned you have to appeal it to the federal government who then holds an impromptu trial of your past history to determine rather or not you have committed a felony or are an adjudged mental patient. Again, please explain how that is Due Process of the law.
    Further they prevent you from possessing the firearm that you just bought and paid for for at least three days and possibly more if your background check does not get reported to the seller as being cleared and okay to deliver. By what right does the government deny that they have a duty to provide due process of the law to a citizen before denying him or her their rights guaranteed by the Constitution?


    Yes, It does. This law presumes that you are a convicted felon, a known drug user or have been adjudged mentally deranged. That is NOT the presumption of innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW. That is the presumption of GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.
    Background checks are a grey area. What you say is true to a point, but the 5th Amendment allows suspension of some of your 1st Amendment rights (such as denying your access to the Internet) and your right to keep and bear arms. The government has the duty to enforce the order of the court and the law and the only way for them to determine whether those rights have been suspended is to conduct a background check whenever you want to obtain a gun.

    You must agree that there are some people in our society who should not be allowed to possess deadly weapons ... how else can that be done if nobody is checking? From a purist point of view it is an infringement, but it is one that all but the most adamant Constitution enthusiasts agree has to be conceded in order to try to keep dangerous criminals and the mentally insane from legally purchasing firearms.

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    Nothing can be done in America regarding guns so there is nothing to debate. We love guns and we use them to assert our dominance over others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poorblackman View Post
    Nothing can be done in America regarding guns so there is nothing to debate. We love guns and we use them to assert our dominance over others.
    Thatís debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobulis View Post
    Nope change here.
    Sorry, but we are not going to repeal the 4th amendment just so you can feel safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydefisher View Post
    Sorry, but we are not going to repeal the 4th amendment just so you can feel safe.

    Pound sand.
    You pound sand. Change here.
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