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    Default Texas suffers another redistricting setback

    https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/...r_08.15.17.pdf (Link to the 107 page memorandum and order of the three judge panel.)

    Case is Perez v Abbott. The case is being tried in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division, before United States Circuit Judge Jerry Edwin Smith, sitting by designation, Chief United States District Judge Orlando Luis Garcia and United States District Judge Xavier Rodriguez.

    At issue is the Congressional District Map, this being Texas's fourth try. Only two Districts were found in violation, Congressional Districts 27 and 35.

    The panel has given Texas three days to answer as to whether they intend to fix the problem themselves. If not, the courts will hold a hearing in September and appoint a Special Master to do the job.

    While this likely will not result in pre-clearance, it is just another straw being added to the camel's back. Texas is not very far from breaking the camel's back and going into pre-clearance.

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    We'll cleanse those bastard too. Trying to hold down La Raza!

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    Update: In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court reversed the decision of the lower court and told Texas it could go ahead with its redistricting as planned.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/u...ting-maps.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBH View Post
    Update: In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court reversed the decision of the lower court and told Texas it could go ahead with its redistricting as planned.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/u...ting-maps.html
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    Setback? More like a step forward.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBH View Post
    Update: In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court reversed the decision of the lower court and told Texas it could go ahead with its redistricting as planned.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/u...ting-maps.html
    Actually, they merely stayed the decision of the District Court, pending appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynevan View Post
    Setback? More like a step forward.................
    The "step forward" will happen when Congress passes legislation to strip State Legislature's of redistricting authority once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBH View Post
    Update: In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court reversed the decision of the lower court and told Texas it could go ahead with its redistricting as planned.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/u...ting-maps.html
    Maybe this one will show you that comprehension is not your strong suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safiel View Post
    The "step forward" will happen when Congress passes legislation to strip State Legislature's of redistricting authority once and for all.
    Wouldn't that be nice. Seems like it would require a Constitutional amendment no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safiel View Post
    The "step forward" will happen when Congress passes legislation to strip State Legislature's of redistricting authority once and for all.
    Honest question,

    Is there a reasonable way to set voting districts?

    Should the suburbs vote with the city, or the farmers?

    Equalize districts by;
    population total
    population density
    income level
    age of the population

    Wasn't the original intention to provide local representation for the local interests?

    If you walk about 5 miles in the country, the local interests are probably the same.

    If you walk 5 miles in the city, are you even in the same cultural environment?
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    This whole Trump era of America reminds me of the dirty college football programs over the years.


    Our coach cheats on multiple wives, it's okay if he wins.

    Our administrators gerrymander, it's okay if it wins us recruits (politicians).

    Our team potentially colluded with another team to cheat, well it's not technically illegal.

    Our coach is a horrible role model, who cares if we get Ws.

    Our coach cheats people out of money, well he insults our hated rival so more power to him.

    Our assistant coaches have been doing questionable things, well everybody does it.

    Our Coach has a hot wife. Hell yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynevan View Post
    Wouldn't that be nice. Seems like it would require a Constitutional amendment no?
    No amendment is required to strip State Legislatures of Congressional redistricting. Congress already has plenary power to enact legislation regarding FEDERAL elections.

    While Congress has no power to relieve State Legislatures of State Legislative redistricting, they could enact a statute that would withhold voting assistance money from State's, until they change their State Legislative redistricting method to a bipartisan redistricting commission, that would be set up in such manner as no one party or faction can control redistricting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safiel View Post
    No amendment is required to strip State Legislatures of Congressional redistricting.
    Of course for this to actually pass, there likely will have to be a Congress made up of more of the opposite party than that which controls the state legislatures.

    Congress is unlikely to pass such a law if it would be detrimental to the ruling party in the short term. Thus the the majority will likely need to feel that switching to commissions will benefit them, which would only be the case if the majority of state legislatures is controlled by the opposite party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safiel View Post
    The "step forward" will happen when Congress passes legislation to strip State Legislature's of redistricting authority once and for all.
    Because politics would never have anything to do with it if Washington were involved.

    Of course the could leave it up to judges. BTW...all Republican appointed judges voted one way and all Democrat appointed judges voted the other way. Coincidence, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBH View Post
    Because politics would never have anything to do with it if Washington were involved.

    Of course the could leave it up to judges. BTW...all Republican appointed judges voted one way and all Democrat appointed judges voted the other way. Coincidence, of course.
    When given the opportunity, bi-partisan majorities of voters in several States have ripped redistricting control away from their legislatures. In Florida, a large bi-partisan majority of voters passed amendments that place strict controls on how the legislature may conduct redistricting.

    Voters should select their politicians.

    Politicians should NEVER select their voters.

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