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    Remember America you have a free trade agreement with this neo-communist country. When American businesses are operating in Canada, you are NOT competing in the free market, you are competing against the Canadian government. This is a broad system of interference which takes many forms. Oh, and remember Venezuela...

    Trudeau inherited one hell of a mess This country needs some serious reform, I hope he is up to the job to do so. He got rid of the CSIS and RCMP heads, so that's a start. The heavy lifting is still to be done.

    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/p...-scandal-grows

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau found Quebec police surveillance of journalists so "troubling" that he asked the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) for assurances they weren't spying on members of the press.
    Following revelations that judges authorized Quebec police to surveil seven journalists, Trudeau told reporters on Thursday that the press is "absolutely critical" in a free democracy and he was satisfied the federal police force and spy agency weren't conducting similar operations.
    "We have actually strong safeguards and protections in place to protect the freedom of the press in the course of business conducted by CSIS and the RCMP," the prime minister said. "And I can confirm those safeguards are still very much in place and consistent with the values and concerns this government has and that Canadians have."
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    "List of journalists killed in Russia

    The dangers to journalists in Russia have been well known since the early 1990s but concern over the number of unsolved killings soared after Anna Politkovskaya's murder in Moscow on 7 October, 2006. While international monitors mentioned dozen deaths, some sources within Russia talked of over two hundred fatalities...."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lled_in_Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockedcanadian View Post
    Remember America you have a free trade agreement with this neo-communist country. When American businesses are operating in Canada, you are NOT competing in the free market, you are competing against the Canadian government. This is a broad system of interference which takes many forms. Oh, and remember Venezuela...

    Trudeau inherited one hell of a mess This country needs some serious reform, I hope he is up to the job to do so. He got rid of the CSIS and RCMP heads, so that's a start. The heavy lifting is still to be done.

    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/p...-scandal-grows

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau found Quebec police surveillance of journalists so "troubling" that he asked the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) for assurances they weren't spying on members of the press.
    Following revelations that judges authorized Quebec police to surveil seven journalists, Trudeau told reporters on Thursday that the press is "absolutely critical" in a free democracy and he was satisfied the federal police force and spy agency weren't conducting similar operations.
    "We have actually strong safeguards and protections in place to protect the freedom of the press in the course of business conducted by CSIS and the RCMP," the prime minister said. "And I can confirm those safeguards are still very much in place and consistent with the values and concerns this government has and that Canadians have."
    You know jack about US Free Trade Agreements. Furthermore, Trudeau is a mess, if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInTheMiddle View Post
    "List of journalists killed in Russia

    The dangers to journalists in Russia have been well known since the early 1990s but concern over the number of unsolved killings soared after Anna Politkovskaya's murder in Moscow on 7 October, 2006. While international monitors mentioned dozen deaths, some sources within Russia talked of over two hundred fatalities...."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lled_in_Russia
    Not sure what this has to do with Russia, but if you are making some sort of statement that "hey, look what other communist nations do", here's food for thought. You have a wikipedia site that outlines these abuses, how much is outlined about Canadian covert tactics against it's citizens or American businesses? I know first hand about both of these issues as I experienced them both after blowing the whistle on the latter. Now continue with how NAFTA solves the issue of direct and aggressive tactics against American businesses by the RCMP and their surrogates.

    You had best hope the grievance process is updated in the renegotiation. Something tells me Mr. Ross and Mr. Trump are not going to negotiate in the dark, they are much smarter and better informed about the abuses against American interests by so-called allies than administrations in the past.

    As is stated often in Canada, "no wonder our allies don't trust us..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bos'un View Post
    You know jack about US Free Trade Agreements. Furthermore, Trudeau is a mess, if you ask me.
    I am a Conservative person. I supported Harper in his first term, by the end of his second term I realized that this guy wasnt conservative, at least not in the manner I expected.

    I'm a libertarian. Harper was big government, spent billions on shiny new prisons even as reps from Texas told him that his "tough on crime" approach was wrong headed and would bankrupt jurisdictions (this is coming true today, Toronto, many cities in Ontario, are looking at insolvency due to policing costs). So, in the end, Trudeau inherited a mess. I may disagree with much of Trudeaus economic strategies, but socially he is FAR more libertarian than anyone in the fake Canadian conservative party. This is why the Conservatives lost the last election by a landslide and would have lost by much more if not for the vote split of the left by the Liberals/NDP.

    The bottom line, Canada needs more like Rand Paul, less of the conservative incarnation we currently have. Hell, even the far right in American politics, at least has the core principles of Libertarianism in them, which as Reagan once stated is the "soul of Conservativism". Small government, accountable government, individual liberty, The U.S Constitution, Bill of Rights and all the Amendments. THAT is the Conservatism I grew up with, a la Reagan and Mulroney. In Canada our conservatives have become more like fascists, concerned with power and entitlement and less about individual rights.

    So all in all, Trudeau will be given a great deal of latitude by the country as long as he pursues the agenda of expanding individual freedom and ensuring accountability of the CSIS, the RCMP and their surrogates. We allowed these agencies to exploit American in particular for so long that now we are dealing with a much weaker deal in NAFTA. I lay the blame solely on the security apparatus in Canada and Ontario. Without question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockedcanadian View Post
    Not sure what this has to do with Russia, but if you are making some sort of statement that "hey, look what other communist nations do", here's food for thought. You have a wikipedia site that outlines these abuses, how much is outlined about Canadian covert tactics against it's citizens or American businesses? I know first hand about both of these issues as I experienced them both after blowing the whistle on the latter. Now continue with how NAFTA solves the issue of direct and aggressive tactics against American businesses by the RCMP and their surrogates.

    You had best hope the grievance process is updated in the renegotiation. Something tells me Mr. Ross and Mr. Trump are not going to negotiate in the dark, they are much smarter and better informed about the abuses against American interests by so-called allies than administrations in the past.

    As is stated often in Canada, "no wonder our allies don't trust us..."
    the point is that i don't think you'll start a negative thread about russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInTheMiddle View Post
    the point is that i don't think you'll start a negative thread about russia.
    He doesn't care about that. He has a personal vendetta to wage and is hoping to get a sympathetic ear here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInTheMiddle View Post
    the point is that i don't think you'll start a negative thread about russia.
    Ummm, I know nothing about Russia, have never visited or lived there. Have you visited or lived in Russia and wish to enlighten me? Do you keep on top of their news and what's going on there? I don't. That's like asking me what the price of tea in China is...

    I do know I hate communism with every fiber in my body and that I wouldn't trust Putin on International issues. I also happen to know a hell of a lot about Canada and specific details of abuse by Canada against America that I could not know about any other country. I've paid a steep price for educating the American authorities about this. My knowledge of the Canadian security apparatus and how it's interferes in the free market and works against American business interests is far greater than that of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRS View Post
    He doesn't care about that. He has a personal vendetta to wage and is hoping to get a sympathetic ear here.
    A personal vendetta? No. Justice? Of course. More importantly, I want American workers and free market businesses to be well informed and not swallowing the media line about "nice, friendly, happy Canada". This is as inaccurate a representation as there is any in the MSM, and that's saying a lot considering the track record.

    Hannity should do a 20-25 minute segment once a week dedicated to countries exploiting America. Start with China the first week, Mexico in week two, and then I would suggest Canada be the subject in week three. He could even rotate these three countries, add in a North Korea or some other nation once in awhile if current news dictates it. He would be doing a massive service to the American public, businesses, investors and that great concept of liberty and capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockedcanadian View Post
    A personal vendetta? No. Justice? Of course. More importantly, I want American workers and free market businesses to be well informed and not swallowing the media line about "nice, friendly, happy Canada". This is as inaccurate a representation as there is any in the MSM, and that's saying a lot considering the track record.

    Hannity should do a 20-25 minute segment once a week dedicated to countries exploiting America. Start with China the first week, Mexico in week two, and then I would suggest Canada be the subject in week three. He could even rotate these three countries, add in a North Korea or some other nation once in awhile if current news dictates it. He would be doing a massive service to the American public, businesses, investors and that great concept of liberty and capitalism.
    You have an ax to grind. You are hoping people do not know already there are courts and other means for companies to deal with trade rules infractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRS View Post
    You have an ax to grind. You are hoping people do not know already there are courts and other means for companies to deal with trade rules infractions.
    Yes, I know NAFTA very well, the dispute Settlement Process which covers various chapters. Canada is the most sued in NAFTA by far, and we happily pay the fines because we know the RCMP and others are doing far worse without any attention, so pay up and keep everyone happy, since Canada is stealing jobs and future tax revenue anyways (and God knows what from these companies).

    The question is, how does a whistleblower engage in this dispute process to hold covert activities by the government to account? Furthermore, it does little to protect against tactics that are not overt and above board so the dispute process is very narrow in scope demanding state to state grievances but not individual whistleblowing, which really protects companies.

    This dispute process in my opinion needs to be altered drastically in the new NAFTA so that individuals like myself, with specific details, names and history of government contacts in an attempt to alleviate the abuses against American businesses can have a platform to defend free market, capitalist principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockedcanadian View Post
    I am a Conservative person. I supported Harper in his first term, by the end of his second term I realized that this guy wasnt conservative, at least not in the manner I expected.

    I'm a libertarian. Harper was big government, spent billions on shiny new prisons even as reps from Texas told him that his "tough on crime" approach was wrong headed and would bankrupt jurisdictions (this is coming true today, Toronto, many cities in Ontario, are looking at insolvency due to policing costs). So, in the end, Trudeau inherited a mess. I may disagree with much of Trudeaus economic strategies, but socially he is FAR more libertarian than anyone in the fake Canadian conservative party. This is why the Conservatives lost the last election by a landslide and would have lost by much more if not for the vote split of the left by the Liberals/NDP.

    The bottom line, Canada needs more like Rand Paul, less of the conservative incarnation we currently have. Hell, even the far right in American politics, at least has the core principles of Libertarianism in them, which as Reagan once stated is the "soul of Conservativism". Small government, accountable government, individual liberty, The U.S Constitution, Bill of Rights and all the Amendments. THAT is the Conservatism I grew up with, a la Reagan and Mulroney. In Canada our conservatives have become more like fascists, concerned with power and entitlement and less about individual rights.

    So all in all, Trudeau will be given a great deal of latitude by the country as long as he pursues the agenda of expanding individual freedom and ensuring accountability of the CSIS, the RCMP and their surrogates. We allowed these agencies to exploit American in particular for so long that now we are dealing with a much weaker deal in NAFTA. I lay the blame solely on the security apparatus in Canada and Ontario. Without question.
    Thank you for demonstrating why folks such as yourself are jokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockedcanadian View Post
    A personal vendetta? No. Justice? Of course. More importantly, I want American workers and free market businesses to be well informed and not swallowing the media line about "nice, friendly, happy Canada". This is as inaccurate a representation as there is any in the MSM, and that's saying a lot considering the track record.

    Hannity should do a 20-25 minute segment once a week dedicated to countries exploiting America. Start with China the first week, Mexico in week two, and then I would suggest Canada be the subject in week three. He could even rotate these three countries, add in a North Korea or some other nation once in awhile if current news dictates it. He would be doing a massive service to the American public, businesses, investors and that great concept of liberty and capitalism.
    Liberty != Capitalism. And neither does it equal socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockedcanadian View Post
    I am a Conservative person. I supported Harper in his first term, by the end of his second term I realized that this guy wasnt conservative, at least not in the manner I expected.

    I'm a libertarian. Harper was big government, spent billions on shiny new prisons even as reps from Texas told him that his "tough on crime" approach was wrong headed and would bankrupt jurisdictions (this is coming true today, Toronto, many cities in Ontario, are looking at insolvency due to policing costs). So, in the end, Trudeau inherited a mess. I may disagree with much of Trudeaus economic strategies, but socially he is FAR more libertarian than anyone in the fake Canadian conservative party. This is why the Conservatives lost the last election by a landslide and would have lost by much more if not for the vote split of the left by the Liberals/NDP.

    The bottom line, Canada needs more like Rand Paul, less of the conservative incarnation we currently have. Hell, even the far right in American politics, at least has the core principles of Libertarianism in them, which as Reagan once stated is the "soul of Conservativism". Small government, accountable government, individual liberty, The U.S Constitution, Bill of Rights and all the Amendments. THAT is the Conservatism I grew up with, a la Reagan and Mulroney. In Canada our conservatives have become more like fascists, concerned with power and entitlement and less about individual rights.

    So all in all, Trudeau will be given a great deal of latitude by the country as long as he pursues the agenda of expanding individual freedom and ensuring accountability of the CSIS, the RCMP and their surrogates. We allowed these agencies to exploit American in particular for so long that now we are dealing with a much weaker deal in NAFTA. I lay the blame solely on the security apparatus in Canada and Ontario. Without question.
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