McConnell forced to delay healthcare vote because of McCain's healthcare.

**pnafin** · July 15th, 2017, 11:12 pm

With Republican Sen. John McCain ordered to rest for one week following surgery for a blood clot, the vote on the new version of the health care bill won't occur until he returns, two congressional aides told CNN on Saturday night.

Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell tweeted that the Senate will work on other legislative issues and nominations, and "will defer consideration of the Better Care Act" while McCain is recovering.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/15/politi....html?adkey=bn

With 2 Republican hard no's and a handful of undecideds... I'm not sure this will pass... I know Murkowski got a whole bunch of money just for my state so she is probably leaning to a "yes" now.

Not sure about the other holdouts.

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**Evilwestsidefan** · July 17th, 2017, 12:58 am

Originally Posted by Unaffiliated

Exactly. It's kinda of stupid to have a Bill that affects 1/6th of the economy be so divisive Congress can barely even pass it and sometimes has to finagle the process to force it.

Dumb then. Dumb now. Can't change the past but we can still affect the right now.

Right, Vote Republican so we can move things forward.

**GOP_FAN** · July 17th, 2017, 1:16 am

To hell with it, repeal it and don't replace, I'm tired of the smug attitude on the left. Before 2010 there was no universal healthcare, people got the Medicaid, and medical(here in the land of libs) yeah, just repeal it. I'm done.

**less right** · July 17th, 2017, 1:30 am

Originally Posted by pnafin

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/15/politi....html?adkey=bn

With 2 Republican hard no's and a handful of undecideds... I'm not sure this will pass... I know Murkowski got a whole bunch of money just for my state so she is probably leaning to a "yes" now.

Not sure about the other holdouts.

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McConnell will owe McCain biggly.

**less right** · July 17th, 2017, 1:34 am

Originally Posted by pnafin

I bet if the Senate passes the bill they'll get an even better Rose Garden party than the House Republicans did... They'll be spraying each other with Champaign and Trump will probably spring for some top notch Russian escorts.

I hope it's champagne. I've heard things about some republicans.

**less right** · July 17th, 2017, 1:46 am

Originally Posted by Who

If the GOP health care bill depends on one 81 year-old man not getting sick -- maybe, just maybe the bill sucks.

I heard McCain was home the day of the surgery. He's resting, not dying (although that would throw a monkey wrench into the works). McConnell told him to stay home to give him time. If they had the votes they wouldn't wait.

**MarkyS** · July 17th, 2017, 4:16 am

Originally Posted by Unaffiliated

The Republicans are the ones protecting Obamacare. They've gone out of their way, and back on their promises to protect it. A straight up repeal Bill couldn't get a majority in either Republican lead Chamber. I'd call that protecting.

As for Democrat help, I saw a Democrat on FOX this week (can't remember if he was a Rep or a Senator) who gave a list of things they will work with Republicans on and a couple of them were things Republican agree with. According to him, leadership wasn't interested. Besides, even if Republicans did want to work with Democrats on this, they can't - the hardcore faction of the base would be furious.

He's lying. The only way the Dems - any of them - will work with Republicans is if they save Obamacare in the process. Obama's legacy project MUST NOT go down in failure - no matter what it costs people with no choices and sky-rocketing premiums combined with high deductibles that make their incredibly expensive insurance card a worthless piece of garbage in their pockets.

It's like the Wall. No Dem will allow it - not because it won't work in some fashion or other but because Trump made it a signature program.

That is not governing. That is politicking.

M

**MarkyS** · July 17th, 2017, 4:25 am

Originally Posted by Mobulis

Sorry it was just anti Obama.

I'm sorry. I have been a Republican all my life - long before I ever HEARD the name Obama - and I and my fellow Republicans have been preaching against this kind of stuff all that time.

And what's more, you already know that.

M

**MoleUK** · July 17th, 2017, 4:28 am

Originally Posted by MarkyS

He's lying. The only way the Dems - any of them - will work with Republicans is if they save Obamacare in the process. Obama's legacy project MUST NOT go down in failure - no matter what it costs people with no choices and sky-rocketing premiums combined with high deductibles that make their incredibly expensive insurance card a worthless piece of garbage in their pockets.

It's like the Wall. No Dem will allow it - not because it won't work in some fashion or other but because Trump made it a signature program.

That is not governing. That is politicking.

M

Republicans are already working to save Obamacare, that's what this plan is. Repeal is dead.

What does the Republican plan do to lower premiums and deductibles?

**MarkyS** · July 17th, 2017, 4:42 am

Originally Posted by MoleUK

Republicans are already working to save Obamacare, that's what this plan is. Repeal is dead.

What does the Republican plan do to lower premiums and deductibles?

Straight-up repeal was never alive, except in the mind pf Rand Paul. The current plan is crafted to get through reconciliation, and it is a multi-part plan that then addresses the concerns you spoke of AFTER that is done.

It's the only way to control the process.

What you're looking at is incomplete - by design.

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**MoleUK** · July 17th, 2017, 5:04 am

Originally Posted by MarkyS

Straight-up repeal was never alive, except in the mind pf Rand Paul. The current plan is crafted to get through reconciliation, and it is a multi-part plan that then addresses the concerns you spoke of AFTER that is done.

It's the only way to control the process.

What you're looking at is incomplete - by design.

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So it doesn't do anything to lower premiums or deductibles.

You're counting on the word of politicians to fix it "later".

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Good plan.

**Unaffiliated** · July 17th, 2017, 8:07 am

Originally Posted by MarkyS

He's lying. The only way the Dems - any of them - will work with Republicans is if they save Obamacare in the process. Obama's legacy project MUST NOT go down in failure - no matter what it costs people with no choices and sky-rocketing premiums combined with high deductibles that make their incredibly expensive insurance card a worthless piece of garbage in their pockets.

It's like the Wall. No Dem will allow it - not because it won't work in some fashion or other but because Trump made it a signature program.

That is not governing. That is politicking.

M

Aren't Republicans working on a Bill to do just that? Complete repeal, as far as I know, is off the table because of lack of support for it in the Republican Party.

**Wildmouse** · July 17th, 2017, 11:21 am

Originally Posted by Dubarry20833

Republicans have been campaigning for 3 elections on this. They control the House, the Senate and the White House. They're failures, yet you'll continue to vote for them. They thank you for your blind partisan support.

Democrats ran on national health care for 70 YEARS. Due to an economic downturn and ridiculously stupid voters they finally got a chance to do it. When the Republicans spend 70 years dithering on how to fix this mess then you have an equivalent.

**Wildmouse** · July 17th, 2017, 11:29 am

Originally Posted by MarkyS

Nonsense. Republicans simply saw that the ACA was a HUGE new entitlement that could not and would not be paid for, and thus would not ultimately work, which had in it provisions that directly and negatively impacted hiring and jobs, as well. To this day MILLIONS of people who were supposed to join have not and never will - because it stinks for them.

It was and remains a liberal wet dream of government overreach.

Don't try to cast Republican opposition to it as simply anti-Obama. It stands for and represents things Republicans have NEVER been for.

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Obama was a genius in one way. He really stepped up the leftist perversion of thought that allows people to feel good about enslaving others for their needs and wants. Want "free" healthcare, food, and housing? Shoot a bald eagle and trade your OWN freedom for these things instead of trading the freedom of others.