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    Default You Guys REALLY Want to Preserve the Sanctity of Marriage?

    Quit worrying about politics and gays.

    sanc∑ti∑ty
    ˈsaNG(k)titē/Submit
    noun
    noun: sanctity; plural noun: sanctities
    the state or quality of being holy, sacred, or saintly.
    "the site of the tomb was a place of sanctity for the ancient Egyptians"
    synonyms: holiness, godliness, blessedness, saintliness, spirituality, piety, piousness, devoutness, righteousness, goodness, virtue, purity; More
    ultimate importance and inviolability.
    "the sanctity of human life"
    synonyms: inviolability; More
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    late Middle English (in the sense ‘saintliness’): from Old French sainctite, reinforced by Latin sanctitas, from sanctus ‘holy.’


    Until we as Christians treat marriage as the sacred bond that it is, then we have no right 'defending' it.

    Quite frankly, it needs defending from us.

    I am so tired of hearing men and women whom I know to be covering for friends affairs, or having their own, or not being the spouses they should be, complain about gay marriage.

    You want marriage to be sacred again? Start at your house.

    Otherwise we look like a laughingstock and a bunch of hypocrites playing musical spouses till we're too old to pick up chicks anymore.
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    Why do people say the truth is important when it's not?

    If a spouse is in an adulterous affair and someone says something about it, it's not the adulterer that everyone gets mad at, it's the whistleblower.

    really?
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    oy! i walked into the wrong room again

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    I'm not letting this drop.

    Either protect marriage or don't. But don't waste your time protecting it while you're busy tearing it down yourselves.

    Why not spend your time more wisely like digging holes then filling them back in.
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    So it would appear that very few are really interested in the sanctity of marriage.

    Musical spouses.... /starts music Go!
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    /music stops grab the closest to you, thats your new spouse. Sorry for the last one out. Maybe next time.

    /starts up music
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    Matthew 19

    "6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

    "9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
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    Malachai 2

    13 “This is [r]another thing you do: you cover the altar of the Lord with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the [s]offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. 14 Yet you say, ‘For what reason?’ Because the Lord has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. 15 [t]But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. And [u]what did that one do while he was seeking a godly [v]offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth. 16 For [w]I hate [x]divorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “and [y]him who covers his garment with [z]wrong,” says the Lord of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”
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    Well, lets start with the Catechism of the Catholic Church ...

    1601 "The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; this covenant between baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament."

    This is the ideal, this should be the standard. This, however, isn't the standard by a long shot. It isn't even the standards of the majority of Roman Catholics in the United States. It certainly isn't the standard of many Christian denominations. But I'll need to expound more on why it isn't by, once again, quoting the Catechism.

    1644 The love of the spouses requires, of its very nature, the unity and indissolubility of the spouses' community of persons, which embraces their entire life: "so they are no longer two, but one flesh." They "are called to grow continually in their communion through day-to-day fidelity to their marriage promise of total mutual self-giving." This human communion is confirmed, purified, and completed by communion in Jesus Christ, given through the sacrament of Matrimony. It is deepened by lives of the common faith and by the Eucharist received together.

    In the common law is is very easy to obtain a "divorce" and secure a marriage with a different person. Even in the Catholic Church, it is way too easy to obtain an annulment (a statement that there was an impediment to the original marriage). You don't see people rushing to determine if there was flaws in a priest's ordination, do you? Given the serious nature of this sacrament, the arrogance of two people who want to engage in a lifelong commitment (no less as serious as a commitment to a religious community or ordination) without it being clear that there are no impediments whatsoever and no option of changing their minds afterwards is disgraceful. Every divorce, every annulment is a admission of failure by those who should be guarding the sanctity of the sacrament.

    1646 By its very nature conjugal love requires the inviolable fidelity of the spouses. This is the consequence of the gift of themselves which they make to each other. Love seeks to be definitive; it cannot be an arrangement "until further notice." The "intimate union of marriage, as a mutual giving of two persons, and the good of the children, demand total fidelity from the spouses and require an unbreakable union between them."

    This too is often ignored by modern so called "Christians," even those within the Catholic Church.

    1652 "By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory."


    Children are the supreme gift of marriage and contribute greatly to the good of the parents themselves. God himself said: "It is not good that man should be alone," and "from the beginning [he] made them male and female"; wishing to associate them in a special way in his own creative work, God blessed man and woman with the words: "Be fruitful and multiply." Hence, true married love and the whole structure of family life which results from it, without diminishment of the other ends of marriage, are directed to disposing the spouses to cooperate valiantly with the love of the Creator and Savior, who through them will increase and enrich his family from day to day.

    This is the hardest part of the hardest part of the whole process. No one wants to be "open" to God's plan, but instead be in total control of everything. This yields to contraception and in turn opens the door to the notion of abortion as a means of "family planning." To be open is to be open. To be closed is to be closed.

    Thus, in once sense, I can see the basic arguments for those who oppose same sex marriage. Traditionally we have put excuses and fig leaves around the horrid abuses to the sanctity of marriage, from the easy acceptance of divorce, to that of the disconnection of the marital act with that of the openness to procreation, to that of infidelity or the complete divorcing of the marital act into a act of pure self pleasure.

    Once we get to same gender marriages, we've even lost the fig leaf. Marriage, is simply about the sex. Period, and end. The procreative aspects of the sacrament is lost. In the end, the notion has become marriage is the license to have sex without the guilt. They forget the problem started long before this point and they need to remove the plank in their own eyes before they start to do eye surgery on others.


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    My concern is less with gay people being married, but people who call themselves christians claiming that marriage is sacred or that we are a christian nation then behaving the exact opposite of the way we should.

    If G-d is G-d, then obey Him.
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    Why do we have laws against adultery but no enforcement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Girl from Ipanema View Post
    Why do we have laws against adultery but no enforcement?
    1.) How would you enforce something like that?

    2.) Why would anyone want to stick around/want back a person who has abused, cheated, and abandoned them?

    Why would anyone want someone back that was emotionally vacant on their best days?

    Many women (and I'm sure a few men) do. I can't for the life of me understand why.

    I know, I know "it's a decision" one makes.

    Decisions can be wrong, you know.

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    Well, in my state, according to the law, you enforce it thusly:

    Any person guilty of the crime of adultery shall be guilty of a felony and punished by imprisonment in the State Penitentiary not exceeding five (5) years or by a fine not exceeding Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
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    As to the rest of your question, it's a matter of faith and courage.

    Cowards run when thing get difficult. Men and women of valor face difficulties.

    Thank goodness that Tesla didn't give up when he blew up the generator in Colorado City.

    Be glad that Bill Gates didn't quit when he gave a poor presentation to a business group and didn't get the funding he was after to start his fledgling company.

    And thank Heaven that General Washington didn't run and say "It's too hard waaahhh!" when his men were freezing and dying pinned in by the Brits.


    And it takes faith that if two people agree that their marriage is going to work and that they are going to be happy together, they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Girl from Ipanema View Post
    Well, in my state, according to the law, you enforce it thusly:

    Any person guilty of the crime of adultery shall be guilty of a felony and punished by imprisonment in the State Penitentiary not exceeding five (5) years or by a fine not exceeding Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
    Well, let's consider this for a moment. Adultery is a crime where person A who is married to person B has a improper sexual relationship with person C.

    More likely than not, person A is the major bread winner in the household. Even if person B sues for divorce, it is more than likely that person A will be paying various fees of some kind to person B. Person B is, technically, the "victim" of the crime, because person A was unfaithful to person B.

    Should person A go to jail (does not pass "go" and does not collect $200) he is not collecting an income because he is not working. Thus if person B is still married or divorced, person B cannot collect from person A. Moreover, unlike cases where the presence of person A might be threatening to person B, person B does not gain any advantage by having person A in prison, only the potential loss.

    Now if this is a loosing proposition for the "victim" why do you think this law is going to be strongly enforced?

    This is a major problem where criminal law overreaches into the civil or common law. The "crime" of adultery should be a matter for person "B" not the state.


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