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    I created this thread here simply because greater control is necessary to debate this critical issue. One of the main problems, which causes the debate to cease, is the use of generic terms which include subsets of other items which may or may not be root causes.

    Lets take the Term "Global Warming". The term insinuates that the earth is warming but what it does not do is determine what the individual or cumulative causes are for it. For the purposes of this thread this term is not acceptable as it fails to identify whether the cause in warming is attributed to man or attributed to natural process.

    As you can see the choice of terms is ambiguous and leaves open the problems of misinterpretation or outright deceitful misdirection.

    Natural Variation = Processes which are natural and occur without mans influence.

    Natural Forcing = Specific definable processes which triggers warming or cooling.

    Man Created Forcing = The specific contribution which results in warming or cooling. (Also known as Anthropogenic Forcing) and may enhance/mute natural ones

    Land Use Induced = Changes in local areas which are due to the lands use. (roads, buildings, etc which result in the Urban Heat Island or other potential changes from the natural state of the area)

    Pollution = Man created products which cause harm to the natural environment. Naturally occurring gasses and those items which occur through the natural cycles of the earth are not considered pollutants. (CO2 can be both but be prepared to show how you determined what was naturally caused and what is man created.) [Negative impacts on health do not occur below 6,000ppm - United States Navy determination on long term submarine operations].

    Consensus = Is not a scientific term and alludes to the possibility that there is no other meaning, process or reason for what we observe. It is inherently anti-science and political (mob rule).

    With the majority of the troublesome terms well defined lets try this one again..

    The IPCC makes the claim that all of the warming post 1950 is man caused due to the increase of CO2 in our atmosphere. So lets see just what the natural process was prior to 1950 and compare it to that time span.

    Lets define the most recent natural rate of warming which I will do in my next post and then we will try to hash this out..
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    The wait continues for anyone to provide a single shred of observed, measured, quantified data that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability. IT has been years now, and nothing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    Thank goodness!

    It's -49 here today. Without global warming it might be -59, and I can tell you from experience that those ten degrees are VERY significant!
    You're the smartest man alive ever! and Global Warming is completely real, and do you know why!? Because there is no possible logical way that the Earth would go in cycles. There is also no possibly way that the Earth could have been a lot hotter in the Winters, and colder in the Summers before things were ever recordered throughout history. There is also no possible way, what-so-ever! that When the media is controlled simply by one party, that they couldn't simply just lie about the temperature over the whole year. Because if they did, it would change statistics dramatically over time in their favor. But considering that most of the media is devided up amongst both parties, and that the Democrats are completely honest all of the time with their opinions and statistics, just like in the election, then everyone should believe them on future statistics all of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnowThyself View Post
    You're the smartest man alive ever! and Global Warming is completely real, and do you know why!? Because there is no possible logical way that the Earth would go in cycles. There is also no possibly way that the Earth could have been a lot hotter in the Winters, and colder in the Summers before things were ever recordered throughout history. There is also no possible way, what-so-ever! that When the media is controlled simply by one party, that they couldn't simply just lie about the temperature over the whole year. Because if they did, it would change statistics dramatically over time in their favor. But considering that most of the media is devided up amongst both parties, and that the Democrats are completely honest all of the time with their opinions and statistics, just like in the election, then everyone should believe them on future statistics all of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What?

    "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." - Saul Bellow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    What?
    I think it was meant as sarcasm. <sarcasm></sarcasm>
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