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    Default After birth Abortion.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...anticide_.html


    "two philosophers, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva. In the Journal of Medical Ethics, they propose:

    [W]hen circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. … [W]e propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasize that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus … rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk."


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    Exposure has been a human practice for as long as there've been people. It isn't right or wrong, in so much as it happens. It's only wrong when people place a significant value on infants, and have the capacity to back that value up with tools, investment and time.

    Some ages, like our own, produce all three in large quantities, and can therefore valorize infants. Some ages, as in most of them, place a higher stock on quantity, because infant mortality is already pretty damned high.

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    I think I'm too disgusted to respond without getting myself permanently banned.

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    3 year old academic article that was a exercise in logic NOT POLICY MAKING or POLICY PROPOSAL.

    From the Authors:

    http://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/...i-and-minerva/

    We started from the definition of person introduced by Michael Tooley in 1975 and we tried to draw the logical conclusions deriving from this premise. It was meant to be a pure exercise of logic: if X, then Y. We expected that other bioethicists would challenge either the premise or the logical pattern we followed, because this is what happens in academic debates. And we believed we were going to read interesting responses to the argument, as we already read a few on this topic in religious websites.

    However, we never meant to suggest that after-birth abortion should become legal. This was not made clear enough in the paper. Laws are not just about rational ethical arguments, because there are many practical, emotional, social aspects that are relevant in policy making (such as respecting the plurality of ethical views, people’s emotional reactions etc). But we are not policy makers, we are philosophers, and we deal with concepts, not with legal policy.
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    Maybe we should "expose" a few so-called philosophers instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr BloodMoney View Post
    3 year old academic article that was a exercise in logic NOT POLICY MAKING or POLICY PROPOSAL.

    From the Authors:

    http://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/...i-and-minerva/
    How long did it take you to find this? Less than 300 seconds, one imagines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rurudyne View Post
    Maybe we should "expose" a few so-called philosophers instead?
    A description isn't an endorsement.

    Like it or not, human life is cheap. And for most of human history, that especially means infants.

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    I am not certain why folks would get boiling mad at what amounts to a thought exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuangtzu View Post
    How long did it take you to find this? Less than 300 seconds, one imagines?
    Searching is easier when one remembers that back in 2012 there was a big stink and a bunch of articles about it and that the authors had given an explanation back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badkarma View Post
    I am not certain why folks would get boiling mad at what amounts to a thought exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr BloodMoney View Post
    Searching is easier when one remembers that back in 2012 there was a big stink and a bunch of articles about it and that the authors had given an explanation back then.
    So Saletan resurrected it for buzz and an increase in his hit count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badkarma View Post
    I am not certain why folks would get boiling mad at what amounts to a thought exercise.
    One from 3+ years ago no less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badkarma View Post
    I am not certain why folks would get boiling mad at what amounts to a thought exercise.
    Easily, you just have to take it completely out of context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuangtzu View Post
    So Saletan resurrected it for buzz and an increase in his hit count?
    I'm not sure he did. No date on the blog and when on Slate I select the 'show me all Saletan Blogs' it does not show up in the current ones. Heck this blog could be from years ago.

    http://www.slate.com/authors.william_saletan.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr BloodMoney View Post
    I'm not sure he did. No date on the blog and when on Slate I select the 'show me all Saletan Blogs' it does not show up in the current ones. Heck this blog could be from years ago.

    http://www.slate.com/authors.william_saletan.html
    Ahah. The date is right in the link, as being from March of 2012. So this is probably making the rounds in chainmails and blogposts, and ended up hitting enough resonant frequency to become relevant again.

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