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    Default EPA Closure of Last Lead Smelting Plant to Impact Ammunition Production

    The plant, which has operated for more than a century and is the lone remaining lead smelter in the United States, announced in 2010 that it will cease operations at the end of this year...

    In a document published on its website, the EPA explains that in order for Doe Run to continue its operations, the company would have to agree to pay “$65 million to correct violations of several environmental laws at 10 of its lead mining, milling and smelting facilities in southeast Missouri. The settlement also requires the company to pay a $7 million civil penalty.”
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ion-production

    Can we stop pretending he doesn't want to disarm us now?

    Time to add casting bullets to our to do lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepitreal View Post
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ion-production

    Can we stop pretending he doesn't want to disarm us now?

    Time to add casting bullets to our to do lists.
    Inciting outrage and fear I see, unfortunetly some people will fall for it...

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    Meh, just give them a bailout. They deserve it.

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    The company had 25 years to comply with clean air standards. In the 90's there was concern about all of the dust associated with the plant. They found that the dust on the sidewalks was 30% lead. So instead of cleaning up the place.... they just close.

    And somehow the nutters think that it is all about guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jezcoe View Post
    The company had 25 years to comply with clean air standards. In the 90's there was concern about all of the dust associated with the plant. They found that the dust on the sidewalks was 30% lead. So instead of cleaning up the place.... they just close.

    And somehow the nutters think that it is all about guns.
    Agreed. I think since they were forced to comply by the government, and couldn't due to rising costs of doing business, that we should bail them out. A few billion should do it.

    Ammo is too big to fail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jezcoe View Post
    The company had 25 years to comply with clean air standards. In the 90's there was concern about all of the dust associated with the plant. They found that the dust on the sidewalks was 30% lead. So instead of cleaning up the place.... they just close.

    And somehow the nutters think that it is all about guns.
    Think of the children though.

    No, not the children being exposed to toxic dust. The children who will have to listen to their parents rant after reading more "FWD:FWD:FWD;FWD: Obama is taking away our ammo!" e-mails.
    "The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence"
    - Charles Bukowski

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajunCajun View Post
    Agreed. I think since they were forced to comply by the government, and couldn't due to rising costs of doing business, that we should bail them out. A few billion should do it.

    Ammo is too big to fail!
    I do feel bad for the residents of Herculaneum, MO. On one hand they are losing a major employer and tax base for the city. On the other... that company was actively poisoning the place.

    http://kbia.org/post/end-lead-laced-...fter-120-years

    Within a quarter mile, 56 percent of kids had high levels of lead in their blood. At a half-mile, it was 52 percent. Jordan-Izaguirre says she’d never seen numbers like that, except in the developing world.



    and they had no intention of stopping it.

    But... if the nutters want it to be about guns.... it will be about guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepitreal View Post
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ion-production

    Can we stop pretending he doesn't want to disarm us now?

    Time to add casting bullets to our to do lists.
    Doe Run made the decesion in 2010, over 3 years ago. The EPA based its filings against Doe Run on new lead regulations put in place in 2008, by the Bush Administrations EPA. No new regulations concerning lead were put in place by the Obama Admin.

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...31e596cac.html

    Date of article:
    October 09, 2010 12:10 am
    Jack and Leslie Warden lived about three blocks from the Herculaneum smelter for 16 years but moved to Festus after accepting a buyout from Doe Run six years ago. They filed a successful lawsuit with Logan Smith's group that prompted the EPA to adopt tougher air quality standards for lead in 2008.
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    General Bonkers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excast View Post
    Think of the children though.

    No, not the children being exposed to toxic dust. The children who will have to listen to their parents rant after reading more "FWD:FWD:FWD;FWD: Obama is taking away our ammo!" e-mails.
    I told my parents that there is a simple law of the internet. The veracity of an email is inversely proportional to the amount of FWD: at the beginning of it.

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    Yawn...From Sierra

    "We have had many customers contact us about the closing of the last primary lead smelting facility in the USA. This facility is operated by Doe Run and is located in Herculaneum, Missouri and is just about a 3-hour drive from our facility in Sedalia, Missouri.

    The main question asked is “Will this shut down your supply of lead?” The answer to that is no. First, Sierra buys lead from several different vendors to maintain constant supply. Second, this facility only smelts primary lead or lead ore. This is lead ore that has just been brought out of the earth. Sierra uses no primary lead at all and never has, so we use nothing directly from this facility. The lead we buy from Doe Run comes from their recycling facility in Boss, MO that is about 90 miles away from the smelter that is closing.
    The facility we buy from is still going strong and delivering to us as scheduled. The lead from this facility is from recycled lead, mostly coming from car batteries. This is a continuing “in and out” cycle for them and the smelter closing will not affect this facility.
    Our supply should not be in jeopardy and we do not anticipate any changes in our supply chain at this time. Could the lack of primary lead create a little more demand for recycled lead? Sure, but how much is unknown. Could this increase in demand also create an increase in price? Sure, but again, by how much is unknown at this time.
    There are many other primary lead smelters in the world and so the flow of primary lead will not be shut off. Where there is a need for primary lead, I am sure there will be a salesman more than happy to pick up the business. In short, we do not see any reason for alarm. We expect our supply to continue and keep feeding our production lines which are still running 24 hours per day to return our inventory levels to where they should be."



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    Quote Originally Posted by jezcoe View Post
    I do feel bad for the residents of Herculaneum, MO. On one hand they are losing a major employer and tax base for the city. On the other... that company was actively poisoning the place.

    http://kbia.org/post/end-lead-laced-...fter-120-years



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    and they had no intention of stopping it.

    But... if the nutters want it to be about guns.... it will be about guns.
    So do I. I mean, seriously. What will these folks do now? Maybe they can all move to Chicago and find work there. It's a safe place to raise your kids after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip View Post
    Yawn...From Sierra

    "We have had many customers contact us about the closing of the last primary lead smelting facility in the USA. This facility is operated by Doe Run and is located in Herculaneum, Missouri and is just about a 3-hour drive from our facility in Sedalia, Missouri.

    The main question asked is “Will this shut down your supply of lead?” The answer to that is no. First, Sierra buys lead from several different vendors to maintain constant supply. Second, this facility only smelts primary lead or lead ore. This is lead ore that has just been brought out of the earth. Sierra uses no primary lead at all and never has, so we use nothing directly from this facility. The lead we buy from Doe Run comes from their recycling facility in Boss, MO that is about 90 miles away from the smelter that is closing.
    The facility we buy from is still going strong and delivering to us as scheduled. The lead from this facility is from recycled lead, mostly coming from car batteries. This is a continuing “in and out” cycle for them and the smelter closing will not affect this facility.
    Our supply should not be in jeopardy and we do not anticipate any changes in our supply chain at this time. Could the lack of primary lead create a little more demand for recycled lead? Sure, but how much is unknown. Could this increase in demand also create an increase in price? Sure, but again, by how much is unknown at this time.
    There are many other primary lead smelters in the world and so the flow of primary lead will not be shut off. Where there is a need for primary lead, I am sure there will be a salesman more than happy to pick up the business. In short, we do not see any reason for alarm. We expect our supply to continue and keep feeding our production lines which are still running 24 hours per day to return our inventory levels to where they should be."
    Yay. Chip to the rescue.

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    Yeah, let's just ignore large scale contributors to lead poisoning.

    That evil EPA, they just want our guns...

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    Can't say I care. They chose to close rather than comply with the clean air standards.

    If there is truly a business demand then someone else will open a smelting operation that complies with the law.
    "Inside every cynical person there is a disappointed idealist." George Carlin

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    Slippery Slope?

    First they close the smelters, then outlaw lead, then they come to you house and replace your shotshell with organic peppercorns, then they come for your guns and make you pay for them to be melted down. Then DHS agents show up to drag you away to the gulag for a lifetime of servitude with other felons working as ObamaCare Navigators.

    Could happen...
    Take a kid stargazing!

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