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Jesus is a net positive for humanity. Religion in general - not so much. hehe.
Jesus has changed the way many of us think. He's given us an attitude adjustment.
For instance, if it weren't for Jesus, women would probably still be treated like cattle.The old system of lesser gods and goddesses is the dualistic sublimation of fear into sexuality. Whereas monistic equality in Christ is not born of fear and of the flesh, but of love.
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May 9th, 2012, 6:58 am #41Banned BannedHannitized
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Very difficult to assess whether or not religion has had a net negative or positive effect on human society, due to the fact that religion has been with us, in one form or another, for all of recorded history. We don't really have a period, then, when there was no religion that we can compare with.
Perhaps the best we can do is to make a comparison between those sections of human society where religion plays a lesser or greater role in the day to day lives of the people therein. When this examination is done, there is overwhelming evidence to demonstrate that those societies/nations that are relatively free from the influences of organised religions tend to be safer, freer and happier that those wherein religion plays a greater part....
Correlation ---> causation...? Who knows....
May 9th, 2012, 9:20 am #42
Religion plays a smaller role in many US cities than it does in the US South or Midwest. Are city people safer freer and happier? NO
The US is more religious than Europe. Are Europeans safer freer and happier? Probably not.
Off the top of my head I can't think of a single example where what you said is true.
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Those nations that have higher percentages of atheism/lower percentages of religious affiliation/more secular governments, tend to be characterised by:-
- lower murder rates
- lower incidence of all violent crime
- lower incarceration rates (eg, the US has 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's prisoners...!)
- lower suicide rates
- lower divorce rates
- lower rates of unprotected teen sex
- higher scores on 'happiness' index
- higher levels of altruism
- lower levels of racism, anti-Semitism, etc
- reduced support for torture
Here's just one study i chose at random....there are many...
May 9th, 2012, 5:17 pm #45
Religion is the difference. Compared to Europe, we (the US) are a bunch of murdering rapists. It MUST be because of religion. Nothing else could possibly explain it so we must accept that. Yupper.
There were no problems in the USSR. There are problems in the US that are greater than those in Europe. Ergo, religion causes problems.
Well, non peer-reviewed pieces by some PhD who specializes in atheism are like gospel to some people. If it's written, it must be true. (the piece was published in Praeger.) Oh well. It's in writing, it must be true.
I love it when folks accuse me of blind belief and lack of skepticism.
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