LIFE IS WASTED...without Jesus

[jwil59]

Your first sentence should say:

Unless (our interpretation of) the Bible and Jesus Christ is a lie then we can indeed be assured of our salvation ...

There are people who read the very same Bible and worship the very same Jesus Christ who do not see "assured salvation" in the scriptures. Not at all. And they would consider the notion that anyone can claim such assurance to be a lie.

Rather than running around calling people with different interpretations liars, though, the better approach would be to encourage each other to the closest relationship to God we can develop. Individually and collectively. And encourage each other in faith and morality and upright living.

I would disagree with anyone who called another a liar over a different Bible interpretation. Who did that?

I think it's kinda a given that if I type a post then I am speaking to my own interpretation or understanding.

[jwil59]

There are other passages that conflict with that one.

If that's all it takes, why have all the rest of the Bible?

Which passage or verse conflicts with John 3:16?

I agree there is more to it, so maybe there is more to the "believe" in John 3:16 than meets the eye.

I'm thinking that maybe John 3:16 and the passage or verse you think conflicts might both be true and consistent in context.

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[QUOTE=Koushi Shinigami;101941935]: eh: that's a rather stupid idea that I don't believe that passage. What on earth led you to that?[/QUOTE

You yourself said you were not sure you were going to Heaven. If you truly accept Jesus as Savior you ARE.

No one can go to Heaven WITHOUT HIM.

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There are other passages that conflict with that one.

If that's all it takes, why have all the rest of the Bible?

Where does the Bible contradict? It doesn't.

[Guvnah]

Which passage or verse conflicts with John 3:16?

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Example: Mixed in with the beattitudes are a series of "woes". "Woe to you, ..."

What happens to the guy who believes, but at the same time practices the things Jesus directs "woes" to?

Jesus also tells us if we keep His commandments, we will have life. What of the believer who doesn't keep His commandments?

It's not as simple as a single snippet. One sentence is NOT enough.

And no, I am NOT interested in a game of scripture poker. So people can ask me for specific passages, but I'll tell them now it ain't gonna happen from this keyboard.

[Koushi Shinigami]

: eh: that's a rather stupid idea that I don't believe that passage. What on earth led you to that?

You yourself said you were not sure you were going to Heaven. If you truly accept Jesus as Savior you ARE.

You know God's mind? Your thoughts are His thoughts?

No one can go to Heaven WITHOUT HIM.

Sure. But someone does not need to be a 'Christian' to be WITH HIM.

[jwil59]

Example: Mixed in with the beattitudes are a series of "woes". "Woe to you, ..."

What happens to the guy who believes, but at the same time practices the things Jesus directs "woes" to?

Jesus also tells us if we keep His commandments, we will have life. What of the believer who doesn't keep His commandments?

It's not as simple as a single snippet. One sentence is NOT enough.

And no, I am NOT interested in a game of scripture poker. So people can ask me for specific passages, but I'll tell them now it ain't gonna happen from this keyboard.

No one sentence isn't enough, but that don't mean the Bible contradicts itself. That's all I'm saying.

[Koushi Shinigami]

No one sentence isn't enough, but that don't mean the Bible contradicts itself. That's all I'm saying.

I would love to hear Tim's comment on this.

[jwil59]

I would love to hear Tim's comment on this.

me too whoever Tim is...........It won't change anything tho

[Koushi Shinigami]

me too whoever Tim is...........It won't change anything tho

I don't expect it will.

Tim is a former preacher who talked here once about studying inconsistencies in the Biblewhen he was in seminary

[gpd®]

You know God's mind? Your thoughts are His thoughts?





Sure. But someone does not need to be a 'Christian' to be WITH HIM.

Lord have mercy. Good luck with "verse slinging."

[Guvnah]

No one sentence isn't enough, but that don't mean the Bible contradicts itself. That's all I'm saying.

Correct. The bible does NOT contradict itself.

Misuse of one line of scripture can be contradicted by misuse of another.

One line is NOT enough, which is why it is a misuse of JN 3:16 to conclude (CONCLUDE!) that a person is saved.

[tulsatech]

Correct. The bible does NOT contradict itself.

Misuse of one line of scripture can be contradicted by misuse of another.

One line is NOT enough, which is why it is a misuse of JN 3:16 to conclude (CONCLUDE!) that a person is saved.

Just as it is a misuse of JN 3:16 to conclude (CONCLUDE!) that God loves the world?

[Long Island Bob]

Correct. The bible does NOT contradict itself.

Misuse of one line of scripture can be contradicted by misuse of another.

One line is NOT enough, which is why it is a misuse of JN 3:16 to conclude (CONCLUDE!) that a person is saved.

Actually the Bible does contradict itself, and does so in many places.

But once one "gets" the whole OC vs NC thing, it turns out the remaining contradictions tend to be about minor things like what footwear Jesus instructed his apostles to wear and who saw the light when Tarsis was converted.

[Guvnah]

Just as it is a misuse of JN 3:16 to conclude (CONCLUDE!) that God loves the world?

Who knows. That's not the misuse I'm addressing now.

I certainly didn't say anything about that, so it's not my rathole, nor my concern.

The misuse of JN3:16 in this thread is the suggestion that someone is saved simply because he believes in Jesus Christ. It's not a valid CONCLUSION, as noted by other passages that say other criteria are also on the table.

Tangential to this, I once read an interesting article by an evangelical, Glenn Stanton, called "Divorce, Bible-Belt Style." I wish I could find it somewhere now.. He points out that divorce among evangelicals is just as high as all other national sverages. He points out a factor (not the only factor, to be sure) that contributes to it: "I'm saved. God loves me anyway. I can go my own way here, and I'll be forgiven..."

Such an attitude can be a misuse of passages like JN 3:16.