Converting to Islam in Saudi Arabia...

[Long Island Bob]

I'm sure it's purely a happy co-incidence that so many religions and denominations agree on the unfortunate fate of the non-believer and the pagans.

what do the pagans believe? (I'm guessing eventual unfortunance)

[Long Island Bob]

Survival of a family takes precedence.

Yeah, I'm thinking family is pretty important.

[Abe]

And what of prosperity?

Someone from the outside or someone who lives there?

[ExDem]

If, say, an employer is far more likely to employ someone who holds to X political views, or X religious views, then imo it is not immoral to 'fake' those things to increase your chances of getting the job.

The employer only has themselves to blame in this scenario.

Aaahhhhh. Do you think that using the word "fake" instead of "lie" fools anyone? Lying is immoral. Lying says volumes about ones character. This thread tells volumes about the character of many who have no faith. Those with no moral foundation, will do about anything to gain personally. Disturbing and sad.

So if someone intentionally tells a lie to personally gain and then gets caught lying, it is the fault of someone else? Sheesh. So lie if you think you can gain from it, and if caught, blame others. I see.

[MoleUK]

Aaahhhhh. Do you think that using the word "fake" instead of "lie"
fools anyone? Lying is immoral. Lying says volumes about ones character. This thread tells volumes about the character of many who have no faith. Those with no moral foundation, will do about anything to gain personally. Disturbing and sad.

So if someone intentionally tells a lie to personally gain and then gets caught lying, it is the fault of someone else? Sheesh. So lie if you think you can gain from it, and if caught, blame others. I see.

. Yeah. Sure. Lack of belief in a God leads to immorality. I'm sure the facts back that one up.

I don't hold any qualms about exploiting bigots. Why? Because they are bigots. Neither would I hesitate to do the same with a sociopath.

If they do not wish to treat others with decency and respect, then it will not be afforded to them.

'Lying' is not immoral in and of itself. It can be used constructively as easily as destructively. Context matters.

[MoleUK]

Someone from the outside or someone who lives there?

Does it matter?

[Abe]

Does it matter?

To me it does.

[Hadassah]

Do you feel that those who actively and publicly discriminate, for religious or secular reasons are worthy of respect?

Absolutely not. But it makes you no better if you do the same thing back.

[Historian1912]

You'd actually be in quite a bit of legal trouble if so.

If their politics or religious views need to be X to get the job..

And if finding out that their political or religious views weren't what you thought was reason enough for you to fire them..

Point. I didn't think about that part (the OP had nothing to do with the US so I wasn't thinking about that). I was looking at it from a "obtaining a job through false pretenses" angle.

[biggles53]

Survival of a family takes precedence.

Hmmm.....a sliding scale of morality......

[Abe]

Hmmm.....a sliding scale of morality......

Absolutely!!!

[Hadassah]

Hmmm.....a sliding scale of morality......

yes, because God is such a big jerk that He would expect you and your family to starve.



/sarcasm off

[biggles53]

Absolutely!!!

'Honest Abe' you are my friend..... Many of faith (some of them here) claim an inflexible, absolute moral code which never bends. Maybe some older heads have witnessed otherwise.....

[biggles53]

yes, because God is such a big jerk that He would expect you and your family to starve.



/sarcasm off

So, somewhere between Doci's hypothetical of 'lying to get a well paid job' and 'lying to protect your family' is a moral cut-off point.

Indicate that point please...

[Hadassah]

So, somewhere between Doci's hypothetical of 'lying to get a well paid job' and 'lying to protect your family' is a moral cut-off point.

Indicate that point please...

Good question. Couldn't tell you. I can say that hiding the Jews and lying to the Nazis about it was perfectly acceptable. My father lied with a gun pointed to his chest to save people from having a gunman on the loose. (Damn near died for it, too.)


I think that it depends on your intent, really.