April 10th, 2012, 10:47 pm #646
I'll say again, I do not discount God's part or fail to credit Him--but we don't need to worry about God's part, rather we need to be concerned about our own. If our lives are to be lived for the glory of God (final Sola), we need to take a hands on approach. I don't think "Since I have faith, naturally works will be produced" is at all accurate. I think we need to take a hard look at Jesus and the fig tree. The fig tree produced really nice leaves, looked really healthy--but when one expected a harvest, no fruit was to be had. It took extra work for the tree to produce. In other words, "Just because I'm a fig tree is no guarantee that I will produce figs." Likewise, "Just because I have faith is no guarantee that I will produce works." It takes extra effort.
Prayer, fasting, good works, sacrifice are all aids to sanctification. Physically, if all is not well with our diet and digestive system, nutrients cannot be effectively absorbed. I think of sanctification in much the same way. Without prayer, fasting, sacrifice...sanctification cannot be absorbed.
You can see the same old trend I've exhibited throughout the entire thread. I do not believe in a one-way street that leads from God to man, with nothing returning. I believe it is two way where both God and man have to connect with each other. Try looking at it this way. If a parent provides his child with many clothes, the clothes certainly are the gifts of the parent. However, if the child chooses to run around naked, the clothes are of no use. The child must accept and use the gifts before the parent has a well-dressed child. Likewise, we must accept and use the gift of faith before God has a faithful child.
April 10th, 2012, 10:50 pm #647
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April 10th, 2012, 11:16 pm #649
It isn't like a reformer does not think good works are to be done, but that they are separate from the justification process.
From the article:
As soon as justification is fused with sanctification, works of righteousness become an essential part of the process. Faith is thus diluted with works. Sola fide is abandoned. This was the error of the Galatian legalists (cf. Gal. 2:16; 5:4). Paul called it "a different gospel" (Gal. 1:6, 9). The same error is found in virtually every false cult. It's the main error of Roman Catholicism. I'm concerned that it may also be the direction many who are enthralled with "the New Perspective on Paul" are traveling. 
That was the point I wanted to make with that
Last edited by jwil59; April 10th, 2012 at 11:19 pm.For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
April 10th, 2012, 11:42 pm #650
Penance cannot absolve us from sin, either, but this does not mean we should not do penance. It is right and just that we offer God our contrition, just as it is right and just that we follow the Commandments given to us.
Works do not dilute. God has expectations of us, and Jesus clearly lists these in the beatitudes and also his discourse where he concludes, "Whenever you have done this to the least of my brethern, you have done them for me."
April 11th, 2012, 5:43 am #651
Ephesians 2 is one of the chapters that most directly opposes sole fida.
It speaks directly to the fact that the Ephesian Christian Community stopped behaving badly only after they were graced with faith.
According to Ephesians 2
- God's grace caused them to have faith
- their Faith led them to engage in proper deeds and stop sinning (they had been fond of sins of the flesh)
- their new-found proper deeds will lead them to salvation
- Jesus was sent so that all who engage in proper deeds (even Jews who do not believe in the divinity of Jesus) may attain salvation.
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April 11th, 2012, 9:41 am #654"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2
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April 11th, 2012, 10:25 am #660"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2