January 22nd, 2012, 2:14 pm #16
January 22nd, 2012, 2:18 pm #17
The "portfolios" require a "Senior Project" which nothing more than a childish attempt to create a **** poor thesis. I kids who have "written" their "Senior Projects" soley by "cutting and pasting"."The Rosary sounds much better when said in the original Klingon" LeroyBrown.
January 22nd, 2012, 2:24 pm #18
My daughter knows that a college education is valuable. I have a step-son who has no desire to go to college ( he's a freshman this year). However, we have discussed with him the possibilities of trade schools and various other opportunities. He has flat out told us, he doesn't know what it is he wants to do with his life. So we don't push him. We only require that he take the required courses and do his best. We don't expect straight A's ( although he does currently have a 3.45).
My daughter who is an 8th grader, wanted to be an Architect from the time she was about 5. However, as she has gotten older and found out how much Math and Science are involved in that, she has decided that she doesn't want to do that any more. At this point she knows she wants to go to college, but she doesn't know what for. But if she decides for a liberal arts degree, then what is the point in her having to take classes that will in no way benefit her in that pursuit?"The Rosary sounds much better when said in the original Klingon" LeroyBrown.
January 22nd, 2012, 8:14 pm #19
After what my son told me he learned about Elizabeth Cady Stanton, I am inclined to agree with you.
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January 23rd, 2012, 9:28 am #20
BTW, liberal arts degrees are worthless and are the epitome of all the indoctrination talk I've heard in this thread. At least math, trigonometry, calculus, linear algebra and discrete mathematics are free of such political bias.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:00 am #21
I am not against math, but I think more students would take greater interest in it, and pursue it further if so much of it wasn't being crammed down their throats in such a short period of time.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:48 am #22
BTW, computer applications are highly mathematically intensive and rightfully warrant a rigorous math curriculum.
Art and music are full of politics.
I've never seen a college student major in grammar.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:05 am #23
Have you ever been in a middle school or high school math class and noted the pace they move the students through the material? The reason many students struggle is because they are not given the time to understand lesson A before lesson B is being presented.
The average brain develops quickly enough for the average child to learn to read at about age six. It is also being shown that all pre-teens and young teens may not have the brain development yet that enables them to learn and understand higher math concepts.
It's difficult when a teacher is between a rock (students who are not yet developmentally able to readily understand algebra) and a hard place (a school district/State) that insists math lessons be taught at a sprint-- admitting flat out they know some students won't be able to keep up.
Teachers want students to love and appreciate the subject being taught. Math, contrary to what most students believe, can be appreciated, even loved,--given time.
I am not saying we should slow down students who can take math at a sprint, completing Calculus by their Sophomore year. I am saying there is no reason to make math so overwhelming for so many.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:08 am #24
At the college level, yes. I'm speaking of middle school and high school levels. At this level, I have not yet seen our art and music teachers introduce politics in teaching the basics of art and music.
As far as majoring in grammar, it is a strong part of all languages and linguistic studies even in college. (I know this, because my daughter has a double major in these.) At the middle school and high school levels, grammar is a large part of their English curriculum.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:32 am #25
Enough of the Math & Science Equine Feces
Not everyone is meant to be technical professionals, or doctors, or scientists. They should not all be expected to complete the same math & science courses as those who wish to go on in those professions.
Personally, I think the two years of algebra and one of geometry are enough for any student, college prep or otherwise, and one year of biology; one of chemistry; and one elective of the student's choosing should do it for science.
January 24th, 2012, 6:07 pm #26
Everyone should be taught physics and rudimentary calculus (perhaps in the same course) before graduating highschool.
I'd venture to say both are more pertinent to the real world than chemistry.
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March 7th, 2012, 10:19 pm #27
What are my political leanings based upon my Degrees? Btw, I've always gone to public school. I am the son of a public school teacher.
Liberal arts degrees are worthless. I know of several VP's and CEO's who have Liberal arts degrees.... yeah...they are the "epitome of worthless".
"Indoctrination"? Really? How about people who are informed enough that they understand the basics of how our government works and the basics of history upon which it was built?
Nah.... more math and more science so people are unable to form opinions and don't give a damn until it too late."The Rosary sounds much better when said in the original Klingon" LeroyBrown.
March 7th, 2012, 10:23 pm #28
March 9th, 2012, 7:31 am #29
Who understands more about taxation, the mathematician who does his own taxes and sees how much he overpays the government each year, or the historian who gets his rapid refund check from his accountant each year?
BTW, I took physics, chem2, advanced biology, calculus, and advanced English in high school. The basic principles of calculus and physics have served me best over the years in relationship to my career.
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You make it an this or that for history and science. I don't see why that should be the tension.
The real issue with science and math (more science than math) is the elementary teachers tend to be more liberal arts oriented and are weaker in the sciences. Our kids are not taught the beauty of science until late in their educations if at all.
My daughter went through very good pubic school elementary and intermediate school with only a so/so science education. I pulled her out and put her into a private school that had a science instructor who loved science.
She now loves science.
She had fantastic elementary and middle school teachers on English and History, I just wish I had realized sooner that she was not being shown the beauty of science.