Hey Hey Hockeytown

[scmarcos]

There is no point in watching the All Star game. The skills competition is better than the game, it's just another way to get someone hurt.

[alexz2317]

There is no point in watching the All Star game. The skills competition is better than the game, it's just another way to get someone hurt.
And if someone is already hurt and doesn't attend the all-star game (Lidstrom and Datsyuk) you get suspended a game.

[iamredbeard]

Red Wings looks mediocre tonight, not going to make any excuses though. On the bright side Freep is reporting that the Wings will announce Zetterberg's contract extension tomorrow. http://www.freep.com/article/20090127/BLOG09/90127094/1053/rss17

[alexz2317]

Red Wings looks mediocre tonight, not going to make any excuses though. On the bright side Freep is reporting that the Wings will announce Zetterberg's contract extension tomorrow. http://www.freep.com/article/20090127/BLOG09/90127094/1053/rss17

Well that's good. Tonight we were without Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Stuart, and Zetterberg got hurt towards the end of the 1st period. That really can hurt a team.

[iamredbeard]

Well that's good. Tonight we were without Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Stuart, and Zetterberg got hurt towards the end of the 1st period. That really can hurt a team.

That is all true, but I am not one to make excuses.

This link says that it will be 12 years/72 mil. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2009/01/red_wings_to_announce_henrik_z.html If that is correct then, I will be quite happy as it will only be a 6 mil cap hit per season. I was expecting his cap hit to be at least 7 mil.

Then again this link has it closer to 10 years/75 mil which would be a much steeper cap hit. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090127/SPORTS0103/901270472/1128/rss16

Hopefully we'll know the details tomorrow afternoon.

[iamredbeard]

Well it's official, the Wings have inked Zetterberg to a 12 year contract worth a little more than 72 million, the annual cap hit is 6.08 million. Gotta love hit, :razz: cap hit is much less than I ever thought it would be. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=264864&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_nhl


That leaves the Wings with a little 9 mil in cap space for next season, they still have to sign 5 forwards, a back up goalie and another player. Of course the cap number will change next year like it does ever year.

[super cool ski instructor]

Well it's official, the Wings have inked Zetterberg to a 12 year contract worth a little more than 72 million, the annual cap hit is 6.08 million. Gotta love hit, :razz: cap hit is much less than I ever thought it would be. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=264864&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_nhl


That leaves the Wings with a little 9 mil in cap space for next season, they still have to sign 5 forwards, a back up goalie and another player. Of course the cap number will change next year like it does ever year.

Nice!

[iamredbeard]

Nice!

All the talk has him as the next captain of the Wings and we have him locked up till he is 40! Wowie Wow Wow!!! :razz:

[scmarcos]

Well it's official, the Wings have inked Zetterberg to a 12 year contract worth a little more than 72 million, the annual cap hit is 6.08 million. Gotta love hit, :razz: cap hit is much less than I ever thought it would be. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=264864&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_nhl


That leaves the Wings with a little 9 mil in cap space for next season, they still have to sign 5 forwards, a back up goalie and another player. Of course the cap number will change next year like it does ever year.

Be careful what you wish for, the NHL cap can go down as well.

Zetterberg is a great play, but I would never ever sign a player to a 12 year contract. Too many things can happen, and you will have to take that hit for a long time if they do. Think the Islanders are regretting signing Dipietro for 15 years?

[iamredbeard]

Be careful what you wish for, the NHL cap can go down as well.

Zetterberg is a great play, but I would never ever sign a player to a 12 year contract. Too many things can happen, and you will have to take that hit for a long time if they do. Think the Islanders are regretting signing Dipietro for 15 years?

I know the cap might go down, which is why I said that it will change, not necessarily go up. I just read an article in which Holland said that he expects next years cap to be around what this years was, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, but about the same. As for the length of the contract, Zetterberg is no Dipietro or even that other guy that the Islanders signed to a long contract, he is much better. Also the length of the contract was to bring down the cap hit per year. His last 3 years of the contract are only for 5 mil. All in all I happy about it, we'll be wearing the Winged Wheel for life. But your right about the cap, which is why I think that the Wings need to be careful with who else they sign before the new cap is announced. Even Holland has said the same and that the Wings will only be able to sign one more player before the new cap is announced, which would be either Hossa and Franzen, expect to see one signed before the playoffs and the other one will end up somewhere else.

[iamredbeard]

http://redwingscorner.blogspot.com/2009/01/one-more-deal-before-july.html

Interesting link about what I was talking about regarding the cap and Franzen and Hossa.

Here's another link showing the breakdown of the contract how how much he will make in each year of his contract. http://www.freep.com/article/20090128/BLOG09/90128083/1053/rss17

[alexz2317]

Time to buy me a Zetterberg jersey

[iamredbeard]

Time to buy me a Zetterberg jersey

An x-girlfriend of mine, got one his rookie year, because she loved the name. :)):)):))

BTW, it's called a sweater and not a jersey. :naughty:

[scmarcos]

I know the cap might go down, which is why I said that it will change, not necessarily go up. I just read an article in which Holland said that he expects next years cap to be around what this years was, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, but about the same. As for the length of the contract, Zetterberg is no Dipietro or even that other guy that the Islanders signed to a long contract, he is much better. Also the length of the contract was to bring down the cap hit per year. His last 3 years of the contract are only for 5 mil. All in all I happy about it, we'll be wearing the Winged Wheel for life. But your right about the cap, which is why I think that the Wings need to be careful with who else they sign before the new cap is announced. Even Holland has said the same and that the Wings will only be able to sign one more player before the new cap is announced, which would be either Hossa and Franzen, expect to see one signed before the playoffs and the other one will end up somewhere else.

I don't think Hossa will sign before the playoffs. He wants a Cup and money, he isn't going to get the most he can from the Wings, he's a big money guy and very well could win a cup with the Wings this year.

[scmarcos]

An x-girlfriend of mine, got one his rookie year, because she loved the name. :)):)):))

BTW, it's called a sweater and not a jersey. :naughty:


Only a bandwagon fan would call it a jersey.;)

[iamredbeard]

I don't think Hossa will sign before the playoffs. He wants a Cup and money, he isn't going to get the most he can from the Wings, he's a big money guy and very well could win a cup with the Wings this year.

You might be right. In fact I hope that you are right. Given the choice of the two I would rather have Franzen. Although he's not as good of a player, he'll sign for less which will give us more of a cap room, plus he's the kind of power forward that Detroit has been wanting for some time. Detroit not only has the NHL salary cap, that also have an internal cap that Lidstrom will remain the teams highest paid player. Which is why Hossa signed for 7.4 mil and not more than that. I am not sure that he would agree to a contract where he is making no more than he is this year. Plus if we do sign him, that would give us even less cap room to sign the rest of the players that we need to sign to fill out our roster. We only have 7 forwards signed for next year. I said from the beginning of the season (and I still think the same way) that Hossa will end up only being a one year deal.

[iamredbeard]

Only a bandwagon fan would call it a jersey.;)

Ouch.

[scmarcos]

You might be right. In fact I hope that you are right. Given the choice of the two I would rather have Franzen. Although he's not as good of a player, he'll sign for less which will give us more of a cap room, plus he's the kind of power forward that Detroit has been wanting for some time. Detroit not only has the NHL salary cap, that also have an internal cap that Lidstrom will remain the teams highest paid player. Which is why Hossa signed for 7.4 mil and not more than that. I am not sure that he would agree to a contract where he is making no more than he is this year. Plus if we do sign him, that would give us even less cap room to sign the rest of the players that we need to sign to fill out our roster. We only have 7 forwards signed for next year. I said from the beginning of the season (and I still think the same way) that Hossa will end up only being a one year deal.

That is definitely the more prudent way to go. Hossa is a great player, but he wants money, and will get it. He'd easily pull 9 million with some team. He wants a cup and money, that's why he won't sign before the playoffs. If the Wings don't win the Cup then he might come back on the cheap, if they do no chance he'll be back.

[iamredbeard]

That is definitely the more prudent way to go. Hossa is a great player, but he wants money, and will get it. He'd easily pull 9 million with some team. He wants a cup and money, that's why he won't sign before the playoffs. If the Wings don't win the Cup then he might come back on the cheap, if they do no chance he'll be back.

Well no way that the Wings will sign him for more than he is making this year. He if wants money, then he'll find more money than we are willing to give him. If he wants to stay in Detroit he'll have to take some kinda discount. We simply don't have the cap room to offer him what other teams can offer, plus Detroit has made it clear that at least for the time being that Lidstrom will be our highest paid player. Only thing I know for sure is that he won't take a short term offer. His agent has been talking to Holland for a while and it has been made clear that he is long for a long term deal.

[alexz2317]

When I played hockey growing up I never called it a "sweater". I called it a jersey, which is what they are called. Also, I'm not 100 years old so I don't call it a "sweater".

[scmarcos]

I'm 24 and I call it a sweater.

[iamredbeard]

When I played hockey growing up I never called it a "sweater". I called it a jersey, which is what they are called. Also, I'm not 100 years old so I don't call it a "sweater".

Well Mickey Redmond would disagree with you on that, he's always calling them a sweater and is always correcting anyone who calls them a jersey.

[iamredbeard]

This is what the NHL says on the topic.



Jerseys/Sweaters
The jersey is sometimes called a sweater because, during hockey's early years, players actually wore sweaters and not the mesh-like jerseys of today.http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/trivia.html

[alexz2317]

Well Mickey Redmond would disagree with you on that, he's always calling them a sweater and is always correcting anyone who calls them a jersey.
Well Mickey played in the 50's, 60's or 70's. They are called a jersey. Google Red Wings jersey and see what comes up. I don't know why i'm getting berated for calling it a jersey.

[scmarcos]

Bob Errey would also disagree.

[alexz2317]

This is what the NHL says on the topic.



http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/trivia.html
Yes they did back in the day, i'm not arguing that, in fact i'm done arguing it right now. You can call it a sweater, i'll call it a jersey.

[iamredbeard]

Most people call them a jersey, most stores sell them as jerseys. In truth the modern day uniform is a jersey and not a sweater. Having said that I have been watching hockey for a long time as well as listening to it on the radio and most announcers still call it a sweater. More often than not the players and coaches call it a sweater. As for me I will continue to call it a sweater and tell people not to call it a jersey. Most of the time they just roll their eyes at me. But that's the way it is and I am not about to change.

[alexz2317]

Finally we get a win. It took a shootout against one of the leagues worst team to get it, but we needed it.

[iamredbeard]

Homer is going to have surgery and will be out 3-5 weeks. http://www.freep.com/article/20090206/SPORTS05/90206050/1053/rss17

This really isn't terrible news. He can get rested up for the all important playoffs run and it will give more playing for some of our other players. Just hope the surgery goes well and he'll back in time for the playoffs.

[alexz2317]

Homer is going to have surgery and will be out 3-5 weeks. http://www.freep.com/article/20090206/SPORTS05/90206050/1053/rss17

This really isn't terrible news. He can get rested up for the all important playoffs run and it will give more playing for some of our other players. Just hope the surgery goes well and he'll back in time for the playoffs.
I guess who cares about the Presidents Trophy. We need to get Homer rested. Biggest thing is getting Ozzie back on his game.

[iamredbeard]

I guess who cares about the Presidents Trophy. We need to get Homer rested. Biggest thing is getting Ozzie back on his game.

I think Ozzie is being Ozzie. He's doing a decent job, but not a great job. He's never been the kind of netminder who can steal a series. The bigger issue (at least to me) is that out defense has been rather lax. They are giving up to many quality chances.

Your right about the President's Trophy. Who cares about that. It's all about Lord Stanley's Cup and as we all know, anything can happen come playoff time.

[alexz2317]

I think Ozzie is being Ozzie. He's doing a decent job, but not a great job. He's never been the kind of netminder who can steal a series. The bigger issue (at least to me) is that out defense has been rather lax. They are giving up to many quality chances.

Your right about the President's Trophy. Who cares about that. It's all about Lord Stanley's Cup and as we all know, anything can happen come playoff time.
Rafalski and Kronwall have been under-performing this year so far. Rafalski has been a turnover machine. The PK has been very bad. It's good to see Hossa back on it again. 4 goals in 2 games, that helps. So here is the big question though. Keep Hossa or Franzen? I know that Holland is a genious and he can pull something off. Just get rid of Samuelsson pleaseee!

[iamredbeard]

Rafalski and Kronwall have been under-performing this year so far. Rafalski has been a turnover machine. The PK has been very bad. It's good to see Hossa back on it again. 4 goals in 2 games, that helps. So here is the big question though. Keep Hossa or Franzen? I know that Holland is a genious and he can pull something off. Just get rid of Samuelsson pleaseee!

A lot of what happens depends on what the new cap will be. We got 4 very capable forwards in the minors. Sammy is in the last year of his contract, I think he is pretty much gone. We only have 7 forwards signed for next. Downey, Leino, Helm and Abdelkader considered by many to be NHL ready. Wouldn't be surprised to see all of them start the season next year with the Wings.

[alexz2317]

A lot of what happens depends on what the new cap will be. We got 4 very capable forwards in the minors. Sammy is in the last year of his contract, I think he is pretty much gone. We only have 7 forwards signed for next. Downey, Leino, Helm and Abdelkader considered by many to be NHL ready. Wouldn't be surprised to see all of them start the season next year with the Wings.
Leino has looked decent, needs more time in the NHL to get better. Abdelkader has a few years. Helm shined in the playoffs last year. And Downey, well what can I say about him.... We need him. Did you see the game he was called up? It was the first time the crowd roared for the 4th line. He brings energy, grit, agressiveness and excitement to the 4th line and isn't afraid to fight. He brought a spark last year, let's keep him up. He can do much better than Kopecky and Maltby.

[iamredbeard]

Leino has looked decent, needs more time in the NHL to get better. Abdelkader has a few years. Helm shined in the playoffs last year. And Downey, well what can I say about him.... We need him. Did you see the game he was called up? It was the first time the crowd roared for the 4th line. He brings energy, grit, agressiveness and excitement to the 4th line and isn't afraid to fight. He brought a spark last year, let's keep him up. He can do much better than Kopecky and Maltby.

Speaking of Kopecky, he is yet another one who isn't signed for nest season.

[alexz2317]

Speaking of Kopecky, he is yet another one who isn't signed for nest season.
He shouldn't be back next season. He was supposed to take the role of Dallas Drake and so far, he hasn't come close.

[iamredbeard]

He shouldn't be back next season. He was supposed to take the role of Dallas Drake and so far, he hasn't come close.

Not everyone on our team can be a great player. At least not anymore in the days of the salary cap. Still I am relatively happy with him since he's a big body and he doesn't take a big cap hit. He's making 500k this year, he is an unrestricted free agent though, so maybe your right, maybe he will be gone. Still though, I'd be happy if he came back next year for what he's making this year.

[alexz2317]

Not everyone on our team can be a great player. At least not anymore in the days of the salary cap. Still I am relatively happy with him since he's a big body and he doesn't take a big cap hit. He's making 500k this year, he is an unrestricted free agent though, so maybe your right, maybe he will be gone. Still though, I'd be happy if he came back next year for what he's making this year.
We need someone to go out there and lay the body. Downey is great at that. Kopecky whimped out of a fight against Colombus and it was hard to watch.

[megs280]

I wonder if the Penguins will beat the Wings again on Sunday. Should be a good game..the first match up was really exciting. If Fleury's on his game like he was last night, I think the Penguins will win but he'll probably have to stop a lot of shots and make some great saves.

[iamredbeard]

I wonder if the Penguins will beat the Wings again on Sunday. Should be a good game..the first match up was really exciting. If Fleury's on his game like he was last night, I think the Penguins will win but he'll probably have to stop a lot of shots and make some great saves.

Wings have been playing poorly lately, except for the game going on right now. ;) If Wings don't bring their "A" game they might get embarrassed. That being said Pittsburgh needs the game a lot more than Detroit does.

[megs280]

Wings have been playing poorly lately, except for the game going on right now. ;) If Wings don't bring their "A" game they might get embarrassed. That being said Pittsburgh needs the game a lot more than Detroit does.

If Detroit brings their "A" game Fleury is in for a rough afternoon. I think the Penguins defensemen are their weakness, expecially since Gonchar has been out. I almost take it as a given he's going to face a lot of shots from all of Detroit's lines. He has the capability to keep Pittsburgh in the game though..the Pens won some of their games even when they gave up the puck a lot and were outshot severely.

The Penguins played really good their last game and the third period of the previous game but those games weren't against any of the top teams. They definately need to keep it going. A win against Detroit tomorrow would be huge for them. For alex's sake I hope Sid has a good game and the Detroit players don't try to start any fights with him off the face off :razz:

[scmarcos]

You don't have to worry about that. The Wings don't fight.

Cha cha cha Charmin.

[iamredbeard]

You don't have to worry about that. The Wings don't fight.

Cha cha cha Charmin.

Really there aren't many fights in hockey anymore, the rule changes are the reason why.

If your talking about the Wings being soft, that is a often heard misconception. Detroit is not soft. If you look at the stat sheet more often than not they have the lead in the "hit" category.

[scmarcos]

I've recently read an article that stated fight is up this year compared to past.

[scmarcos]

Detroit doesn't even have anyone in the top 25 in the league in hits. Only one player in the top 75.

[megs280]

You don't have to worry about that. The Wings don't fight.

Cha cha cha Charmin.

:lol:

[megs280]

yikes..8-3 Wings today. I think they scored enough goals for one weekend.

[iamredbeard]

yikes..8-3 Wings today. I think they scored enough goals for one weekend.

It got scary early. :D

After one period we were up 5-0, then 6-0 after two periods. The Oilers started to make it a game as it went 6-3, then the Wings woke up and shut the door.

[iamredbeard]

Detroit doesn't even have anyone in the top 25 in the league in hits. Only one player in the top 75.

They may be, and it probably because don't have any have one player who crazy with hits. Everyone on the team does there fair share. I have watched pretty much every Wings game this year and in just about every game they have tallied more hits than their opponent has. It is a misconception and one that has existed for a long time that we are a soft team.

I just pulled this game up as an example as the Ducks are know for playing very physical. In this game both teams were given credit for 20 hits each. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=290114025

[alexz2317]

If you watch any Red Wings games, you would see that the Wings play the physical part of the game at the same level of there opponent. Like it was stated below, Wings-Ducks games are usually very physical as are Wings-Flames games. They just find that perfect passing and puck possession is more important to the game than hitting and getting yourself out of position.

[iamredbeard]

If you watch any Red Wings games, you would see that the Wings play the physical part of the game at the same level of there opponent. Like it was stated below, Wings-Ducks games are usually very physical as are Wings-Flames games. They just find that perfect passing and puck possession is more important to the game than hitting and getting yourself out of position.

Old perceptions die hard, even if they were never true to begin with. You can blame Don Cherry for all this talk about the Wings being soft. He started it over a year ago, when we have a bunch of Europeans including the "Russian Five". He was often saying such stupid stuff that the Wings were just a bunch of Eurowimps. It was untrue then just as it was untrue now. Any who watched the team back could see that it wasn't true then and that it isn't true now. Bowman always had tough teams and the same is true of Babcock.

[alexz2317]

Old perceptions die hard, even if they were never true to begin with. You can blame Don Cherry for all this talk about the Wings being soft. He started it over a year ago, when we have a bunch of Europeans including the "Russian Five". He was often saying such stupid stuff that the Wings were just a bunch of Eurowimps. It was untrue then just as it was untrue now. Any who watched the team back could see that it wasn't true then and that it isn't true now. Bowman always had tough teams and the same is true of Babcock.
Babcock is turning out to be a great coach. I'm glad that he called out Ozzie. He just hasn't been himself. And Don Cherry is just jealous that all of his Canadian teams can't win a cup right now. Even when we did have the Russian 5 we still had fighters and hitters.

[iamredbeard]

Babcock is turning out to be a great coach. I'm glad that he called out Ozzie. He just hasn't been himself. And Don Cherry is just jealous that all of his Canadian teams can't win a cup right now. Even when we did have the Russian 5 we still had fighters and hitters.

Don Cherry is an idiot, and according to some a racist, but a lot of people listen to him and take his words to heart. That is were the talk about the Wings being a soft team and full of Eurowimps first started. You right though, that team had fighters and hitters. What often comes to mind on those teams is the Grind Line, but Konstantinov, Fetisov were both nasty players and weren't afraid to mix it up or throw in a couple of cheap shots.

[iamredbeard]

Wings/Pens game is cracking me up. Everytime Hossa touches the puck he gets booed. Reminds me of Federov and his days with Columbus when he would come to the Joe. :)):)):))

[scmarcos]

If Eric Godard could puck handle or shoot this game it tied.

[iamredbeard]

If Eric Godard could puck handle or shoot this game it tied.

I think that that the Pens haven't scored yet has more to do with Conklin than what the Pens are doing. He seems to be doing better than usual, I can only assume that he is excited to be playing against his former team. We got a steal, but only signing him for 750K.

[iamredbeard]

Hossa scores, The Igloo is about to be a very unhappy place. :razz:

[scmarcos]

This game is on Fleury.

[DaGooseMon]

This game is embarrassing. :wall:

[scmarcos]

Therrien (who I still think shouldn't have a job) was out coached. Fleury can't control a puck. Embarrassing effort all around.

Detroit played good, soft but good.

[iamredbeard]

Therrien (who I still think shouldn't have a job) was out coached. Fleury can't control a puck. Embarrassing effort all around.

Detroit played good, soft but good.

Here ya go again with the Detroit is soft talk. :rolleyes:

They didn't play soft, everyone finished their checks, the players kept sacrificing their bodies to block shots. Not hallmarks of a soft team.

[alexz2317]

Good game by Detroit today. They shut down Malkin and Cindy which was to be expected. I am really liking the lines right now. It's about time they put Datsyuk and Zetterberg back together. Overall great game by the Wings without Holmstrom, Franzen, and Stuart.

[iamredbeard]

This game is on Fleury.

Don't you mean Conklin. ;)

[alexz2317]

Here ya go again with the Detroit is soft talk. :rolleyes:

They didn't play soft, everyone finished their checks, the players kept sacrificing their bodies to block shots. Not hallmarks of a soft team.
They are all jealous..... Back to Back Cups this year :D

[alexz2317]

Hossa scores, The Igloo is about to be a very unhappy place. :razz:
I was laughing at that. Hossa gets the puck and the whole place starts booing, then scores a nice backhand goal. I loved it.

[iamredbeard]

Good game by Detroit today. They shut down Malkin and Cindy which was to be expected. I am really liking the lines right now. It's about time they put Datsyuk and Zetterberg back together. Overall great game by the Wings without Holmstrom, Franzen, and Stuart.

Defense in general played a lot better. They have been rather sloppy so far this season, they stepped up and Conklin played a great game against him former team.

[iamredbeard]

They are all jealous..... Back to Back Cups this year :D

Hope your right, but as we have all seen, anything can happen in the playoffs. They just need to play well going into the final stretch before the playoffs start.

[alexz2317]

Defense in general played a lot better. They have been rather sloppy so far this season, they stepped up and Conklin played a great game against him former team.
So should we start Conklin for 5 straight games or so then give Ozzie another try? Try to get Ozzie back on his game. Another thing was the PK today, very impressive. Killed five PK's. That's been there achilles heal this season.

[iamredbeard]

So should we start Conklin for 5 straight games or so then give Ozzie another try? Try to get Ozzie back on his game. Another thing was the PK today, very impressive. Killed five PK's. That's been there achilles heal this season.

All season long, I have been more impressed with Conklin than I have been with Osgood. We got a steal when we signed for him for just 750K. That said neither of them are the kind of netminders that can steal a game. They need to have a good defense for them to do good.

[scmarcos]

Don't you mean Conklin. ;)

Conklin played good. We had our chances. We didn't capitalize on them.

Therrien allowed Crosby to be targeted and neutralized. He is an idiot.

We turned a very winnable game into an embarrassment.

[scmarcos]

So should we start Conklin for 5 straight games or so then give Ozzie another try? Try to get Ozzie back on his game. Another thing was the PK today, very impressive. Killed five PK's. That's been there achilles heal this season.

You should always start the hot hand. Let Conklin lose the job. Or make Osgood earn it.

[iamredbeard]

Conklin played good. We had our chances. We didn't capitalize on them.

Therrien allowed Crosby to be targeted and neutralized. He is an idiot.

We turned a very winnable game into an embarrassment.

I am not a big fan of your coach either. I really went sour on him during his press conferences during the SCF. He came off as such a cry baby. I heard the announcers say in the third that Crosby had not even had a shot on goal. As a coach you gotta juggle for lines around or do something so that your best players are in position to keep you in the game.

[alexz2317]

You should always start the hot hand. Let Conklin lose the job. Or make Osgood earn it.
I wish they would have done that before the SJ game.

[alexz2317]

Conklin played good. We had our chances. We didn't capitalize on them.

Therrien allowed Crosby to be targeted and neutralized. He is an idiot.

We turned a very winnable game into an embarrassment.
It was a big weekend for Detroit to win back to back.

[PhilRocksinOHIO.]

Well, this past Saturday I got to experience for the very first time in person what Hockeytown is all about. My niece's husband and I got tickets for the game against the Edmonton Oilers and were treated to a offensive minded game, at least for the Red Wings. When we got to the Joe I was in awe of the arena itself, covered with Red Wings colors and several banners hanging overhead. We had the SRO tickets, which weren't bad. I got to talk to a few of the fans there and they are very passionate about their team. When I told them where I was from and it was my first live Red Wings game, they were all very nice and made me feel welcome. I did get a little bit of ribbing from one of the ushers about the Indians and how he wished John Cooper was still the coach of the Buckeyes, but it was all in fun. I found that they were very strict about anyone having a SRO only ticket. You had to show your ticket and in turn the ushers would put a colored wristband on you because apparently they have had problems with fans coming down from the upper decks and standing in those sections. There were a few drunks who came by and stood by our area and were a bit wild and finally three security people escorted them out after about five minutes. Glad I don't drink beer anymore...it cost $8.00 for a large glass, but I bought their "large" Coke which looked more like any other place's medium sized beverage. What a ripoff. Gordie Howe was also there signing his book which I believe was called "9". I didn't get one but I got close enough to get a picture of him. As for the game, the Oilers are that bad or the Wings are that good...the Wings scored five goals in the first period alone and even though Edmonton got three goals of their own in the final frame, the game was never in doubt. I was a bit disappointed that Tomas Holmsrom didn't play, but I was glad to see Pavel Datsyuk and Marion Hossa, two of my other favorite players, score their goals. Overall it was a great experience to take part in and I will be coming back to the Joe next season if not sooner. There's no doubt in my mind Detroit it truly Hockeytown. A great time.

[alexz2317]

Well, this past Saturday I got to experience for the very first time in person what Hockeytown is all about. My niece's husband and I got tickets for the game against the Edmonton Oilers and were treated to a offensive minded game, at least for the Red Wings. When we got to the Joe I was in awe of the arena itself, covered with Red Wings colors and several banners hanging overhead. We had the SRO tickets, which weren't bad. I got to talk to a few of the fans there and they are very passionate about their team. When I told them where I was from and it was my first live Red Wings game, they were all very nice and made me feel welcome. I did get a little bit of ribbing from one of the ushers about the Indians and how he wished John Cooper was still the coach of the Buckeyes, but it was all in fun. I found that they were very strict about anyone having a SRO only ticket. You had to show your ticket and in turn the ushers would put a colored wristband on you because apparently they have had problems with fans coming down from the upper decks and standing in those sections. There were a few drunks who came by and stood by our area and were a bit wild and finally three security people escorted them out after about five minutes. Glad I don't drink beer anymore...it cost $8.00 for a large glass, but I bought their "large" Coke which looked more like any other place's medium sized beverage. What a ripoff. Gordie Howe was also there signing his book which I believe was called "9". I didn't get one but I got close enough to get a picture of him. As for the game, the Oilers are that bad or the Wings are that good...the Wings scored five goals in the first period alone and even though Edmonton got three goals of their own in the final frame, the game was never in doubt. I was a bit disappointed that Tomas Holmsrom didn't play, but I was glad to see Pavel Datsyuk and Marion Hossa, two of my other favorite players, score their goals. Overall it was a great experience to take part in and I will be coming back to the Joe next season if not sooner. There's no doubt in my mind Detroit it truly Hockeytown. A great time.


You are definately correct. And I'm glad you had a good time there. I am planning on going to one more game before playoffs this year. I love it there and yes the beer is very expensive.

[alexz2317]

Red Wings Fan Quiz

Who finishes the season with the most:

Points: Datsyuk
Goals: Hossa
Assists: Datsyuk
+/-: Datsyuk
Hits: Stuart
Takeaway: Datsyuk
Wins (Conklin or Ozzie): Conklin
Penalties don't matter because we're not a dirty team.

What do the rest of you think? And let me know if i'm missing other stats.

[scmarcos]

Points: Datsyuk
Goals: Hossa
Assists: Datsyuk
+/-: Datsyuk
Hits: Stuart (since he is the only RedWing in the Top 75 seems like he'll be a good bet.)
Takeaway: Datsyuk
Wins (Conklin or Ozzie): Conklin

Pretty easy exercise, all you have to do is look at that current stats.

[alexz2317]

Points: Datsyuk
Goals: Hossa
Assists: Datsyuk
+/-: Datsyuk
Hits: Stuart (since he is the only RedWing in the Top 75 seems like he'll be a good bet.)
Takeaway: Datsyuk
Wins (Conklin or Ozzie): Conklin

Pretty easy exercise, all you have to do is look at that current stats.
You love to criticize don't you? And the Red Wings obviously don't need to play a physical game to win the Cup. And Hossa is only 9 or 10 points behind Datsyuk so you never know. And Osgood and Conklin is a toss up.

[scmarcos]

I think Conklin is better than Osgood at this point in time. Osgood has been good throughout his career but I don't rank him up there with Hasek or Brodeur.

[alexz2317]

I think Conklin is better than Osgood at this point in time. Osgood has been good throughout his career but I don't rank him up there with Hasek or Brodeur.
Osgood is 15th in NHL history with most wins. He could possibly get in the top 10 next year. He isn't one of those show-stopper goalies but he gets the job done. He is by far very underrated. But I think he's HOF material. He may need another Cup though. Here is the list of all time wins for goalies.....

http://www.hhof.com/html/r&rW.shtml

[scmarcos]

Osgood is 15th in NHL history with most wins. He could possibly get in the top 10 next year. He isn't one of those show-stopper goalies but he gets the job done. He is by far very underrated. But I think he's HOF material. He may need another Cup though. Here is the list of all time wins for goalies.....

http://www.hhof.com/html/r&rW.shtml

He'll probably get in, but I think its more a product of the team he has played for and not so much the quality of his goal tending, which isn't bad.

[alexz2317]

After 1 period, Red Wings are up on Nashville 2-0 with goals from Datsyuk and Zetterberg. That's why you play Datsyuk and Zetterberg on the same line.

[alexz2317]

3-2 Red Wings after 2 periods. Goals by Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Hossa. I guess they are the NHL's "BIG THREE".

[iamredbeard]

I don't get FSN+ so I am missing out of the game. :(

[alexz2317]

I don't get FSN+ so I am missing out of the game. :(
Me neither. I had to listen to it on the radio. But they won and that's all that counts. I'm going to the game on 25th against the Sharks, i'm definately excited.

[PhilRocksinOHIO.]

3-2 Red Wings after 2 periods. Goals by Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Hossa. I guess they are the NHL's "BIG THREE".
I still laugh when I think about Hossa turning down a 40 million dollar contract from the Penguins to sign a one year deal with the Red Wings because he said he wants the Stanley Cup, and Detroit is closer to getting one than Pittsburgh is, according to him. I don't doubt that, I hope Ilitch signs him to a longer contract, though. Imagine where the Red Wings would be without his scoring presence. He can flat out light it up.

[alexz2317]

Ozzie looked better last night. Only gave up 2 goals. The first goal was just a flat out amazing one-time shot on a 5 on 3. Nothing Ozzie could do.

[iamredbeard]

Last night Babcock won his 200th game as the Wings head coach. Well done, Babs. :razz:

[alexz2317]

And Hossa got in a fight!

[Beccaria]

Just give 'em the Stanley cup already! :D

[scmarcos]

And Hossa got in a fight!


And Eurotrash wasn't wearing a tie-down! I hope he got a misconduct for it.

[alexz2317]

And Eurotrash wasn't wearing a tie-down! I hope he got a misconduct for it.
He played a couple month for you guys, why are you whining so much, hmm, must take after Crosby. Let it go, he didn't like Pittsburgh.

[scmarcos]

He played a couple month for you guys, why are you whining so much, hmm, must take after Crosby. Let it go, he didn't like Pittsburgh.

He shouldn't break the rules. Everyone else gets a penalty, sadly the Wings always get the breaks.

[alexz2317]

He shouldn't break the rules. Everyone else gets a penalty, sadly the Wings always get the breaks.
Because the Wings are so good. Datsyuk has more points than Crosby now, see that?

[iamredbeard]

He shouldn't break the rules. Everyone else gets a penalty, sadly the Wings always get the breaks.

Yeah he should have been penalized, he got away with one. Not sure what the penalty is for not wearing a tie down is, but whatever it is, he should have received it.

[scmarcos]

Because the Wings are so good. Datsyuk has more points than Crosby now, see that?

Actually right now he does not.

[scmarcos]

Yeah he should have been penalized, he got away with one. Not sure what the penalty is for not wearing a tie down is, but whatever it is, he should have received it.

Automatic game misconduct.

[scmarcos]

Actually right now he does not.

And as of right now Crosby has more points than Ovechkin.

[iamredbeard]

Next up for Detroit is San Jose on Wednesday Night. While the main story will be the top two teams in the West playing each other for the last time before the playoffs, I am really not concerned who wins. What I am more concerned with is that the turtle is put in his place. Personally I would love to see the game started out the way that the game started out on March 16, 1997. Just about every Wings fan knows about that game.

[megs280]

Next up for Detroit is San Jose on Wednesday Night. While the main story will be the top two teams in the West playing each other for the last time before the playoffs, I am really not concerned who wins. What I am more concerned with is that the turtle is put in his place. Personally I would love to see the game started out the way that the game started out on March 16, 1997. Just about every Wings fan knows about that game.

The feud still continues..

He is over 40 now so I'm not sure if he'll fight. Which Wing is going to put him in his place?

[scmarcos]

The feud still continues..

He is over 40 now so I'm not sure if he'll fight. Which Wing is going to put him in his place?

I thought he dropped the mitts the other night.

I wouldn't count on him fighting against Detroit though, gonna be tough to find a partner.

[iamredbeard]

The feud still continues..

He is over 40 now so I'm not sure if he'll fight. Which Wing is going to put him in his place?

I hold grudges along time in the world of sports. :razz: I liked the Sharkrs until the picked up the Turtle. :evil: We really don't go anyone on the team who could go after him. Both Downey and McCarty have been known to drop the gloves, but they are both with our AHL affiliate. So, we probably won't have anyone go after him, but that doesn't mean that I will stop hoping that someone steps up and puts him in his place.

[alexz2317]

I thought he dropped the mitts the other night.

I wouldn't count on him fighting against Detroit though, gonna be tough to find a partner.
Don't need to be a physical team to win the cup. 2008 ring a bell?

[megs280]

I thought he dropped the mitts the other night.

I wouldn't count on him fighting against Detroit though, gonna be tough to find a partner.


Yeah..you are right about Claude dropping the mitts.

I couldn't see anyone from the Wings fighting him either unless he gets them mad enough.

[megs280]

I hold grudges along time in the world of sports. :razz: I liked the Sharkrs until the picked up the Turtle. :evil: We really don't go anyone on the team who could go after him. Both Downey and McCarty have been known to drop the gloves, but they are both with our AHL affiliate. So, we probably won't have anyone go after him, but that doesn't mean that I will stop hoping that someone steps up and puts him in his place.

No problem..I think all sports fans hold grudges. He definately deserves it. Those playoff games against the Avs and Wings back then were a lot of fun to watch. The wings were my second favorite team in those days.

There were teams I disliked through they years like the Rangers and Devils but those grudges usually only lasted a couple of years as they changed players. I've never gotten over my grudge against the Flyers. Their players may change but I can't think of them as anything else but a collection of goons with a few exceptions :)

[alexz2317]

Yeah..you are right about Claude dropping the mitts.

I couldn't see anyone from the Wings fighting him either unless he gets them mad enough.
I can see Lilja fighting him. I wish they would bring up Downey though, he provides a huge spark for the Wings with his intense and aggressive play.

[iamredbeard]

I can see Lilja fighting him. I wish they would bring up Downey though, he provides a huge spark for the Wings with his intense and aggressive play.

I agree with you about Downey. I also want to throw Chelios's name out there. He was really mellowed out in his old age, but he use to be quite the scraper and there was a time when he was on the short list of the dirtiest players in the game. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he decided to give the Turtle a cheap shot and pick a fight with him.

[alexz2317]

I agree with you about Downey. I also want to throw Chelios's name out there. He was really mellowed out in his old age, but he use to be quite the scraper and there was a time when he was on the short list of the dirtiest players in the game. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he decided to give the Turtle a cheap shot and pick a fight with him.
Odds are with Babcock as coach, they will stick to there game. But it would be nice to see the turtle get the crap beat out of him AGAIN.

[alexz2317]

Wish I had a Hannity T-shirt for you all to see me wear at the Red Wings game tonight against San Jose :lol:

[bbt630]

I'm working on some tix for this one...

[alexz2317]

I'm working on some tix for this one...
I might have some available, two possibly three people might be bailing on going tonight

[bbt630]

I might have some available, two possibly three people might be bailing on going tonight

:wall: should've checked this thread this morning.

Just picked up two.

[alexz2317]

:wall: should've checked this thread this morning.

Just picked up two.
Well the important thing is you're still going to the Wings game :razz:

[alexz2317]

That was a fun game, got a little too drunk though haha

[bbt630]

We got on JoeVision!

[bbt630]

That was a fun game, got a little too drunk though haha
That was YOU???!!!! :eek::eek::eek::naughty:

[iamredbeard]

Detroit got the benefit of two calls, but we'll take it. One of them is redemption for what happened a year ago.

[iamredbeard]

I was looking for some info on the Wings and stumbled across this place. http://www.talk-sports.net/nhl/girlfriend.aspx?team=Detroit+Red+Wings :eek:

Something tells me that Ski runs this site. :cool:

[alexz2317]

I was looking for some info on the Wings and stumbled across this place. http://www.talk-sports.net/nhl/girlfriend.aspx?team=Detroit+Red+Wings :eek:

Something tells me that Ski runs this site. :cool:
Ha no kidding

[iamredbeard]

Hossa took a hit in the first period and was taken off the ice on a stretcher in tonight's game between Detroit and St. Louis. :(

[bbt630]

Hossa took a hit in the first period and was taken off the ice on a stretcher in tonight's game between Detroit and St. Louis. :(Add one more item to the unending list of bad news.

I was reading the article about the tribute show and final broadcast for the local morning show host who died last week, while watching local news breaking in to cover a shooting at the YMCA, and turned on the game to get away from all that, only to see Hossa being loaded on the stretcher.

I don't even want to watch the game anymore.

[iamredbeard]

Looks like he should be ok.


Red Wings spokesman John Hahn just said Hossa was taken to the hospital "as a precaution. He didn't lose consciousness, he didn't lose feeling. He was taken to hospital as a precaution because he'd just had a neck injury."http://www.freep.com/article/20090303/BLOG09/90303089/1053/rss17

[alexz2317]

Get well soon Marian! My heart dropped after I saw that hit. I'm glad he's going to be okay.

[iamredbeard]

RIP, Colleen Howe. :( http://www.freep.com/article/20090306/SPORTS05/90306069/1053/rss17

[iamredbeard]

RIP, Colleen Howe. :( http://www.freep.com/article/20090306/SPORTS05/90306069/1053/rss17

Mrs. Hockey is being honored at the Joe tonight.

[jelake]

Looks like Osgood is laying another egg, dammit. He better be in top form by the playoffs.

[iamredbeard]

Looks like Osgood is laying another egg, dammit. He better be in top form by the playoffs.

It's just Osgood, although it's easy top pick on him since he is in goal. The entire team didn't play well defensively tonight.

[alexz2317]

Two 8 goal games in 1 week? That won't work in the playoffs.

[iamredbeard]

The Wings have released their 2009 Stanley Cup Playoff Slogan. "The Beard is Back." http://www.detnews.com/article/20090401/SPORTS0103/904010371/1128/rss16

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20090401&Category=SPORTS0103&ArtNo=904010371&Ref=AR&Profile=1128&Q=100&MaxW=290&MaxH=290

[alexz2317]

Any cause for concern for the Wings?

[iamredbeard]

Any cause for concern for the Wings?

No concern from me. I still think they can beat any team in a seven game series.

[scmarcos]

This game reminds me of the Penguins game from last night. Wings are outplaying the Wild but the goalie is robbing them.

[iamredbeard]

This game reminds me of the Penguins game from last night. Wings are outplaying the Wild but the goalie is robbing them.

Well the Wings won anyways. After losing three straight, we finally get a win to give us 50 wins for the 4th straight season. A feat that has only been done with two other teams.

[alexz2317]

Hossa came through in the clutch, but wouldn't have happened without that beautiful pass from Datsyuk.

[RedStatePaPa]

Their goaltending makes me nervous this year.

[iamredbeard]

Wings have inked the Mule to an 11 year contract with an annual cap hit of less than 4 mil. http://www.freep.com/article/20090411/SPORTS05/90411023/1048/sports/Wings+sign+forward+Johan+Franzen+for+11+years

[iamredbeard]

This article has a breakdown of how much he'll be making per season. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2009/04/red_wings_reportedly_sign_joha.html

[scmarcos]

This is another nail in Hossa's coffin with the Wings. What are you guys going to do for a goalie next year?

[iamredbeard]

This is another nail in Hossa's coffin with the Wings. What are you guys going to do for a goalie next year?

Osgood and Howard will probably be our netminders for next year.

As far as Hossa goes, I always viewed him as an expensive rental player. Other Wings fans think that he'll sign a Zetterberg contract with Detroit, but Holland has said that in order to make that happen some players will have to be moved to create enough cap space to fill out our roster.

[scmarcos]

Osgood and Howard will probably be our netminders for next year.

As far as Hossa goes, I always viewed him as an expensive rental player. Other Wings fans think that he'll sign a Zetterberg contract with Detroit, but Holland has said that in order to make that happen some players will have to be moved to create enough cap space to fill out our roster.

Personally I would not feel very comfortable with that pair of goalies.

[iamredbeard]

Personally I would not feel very comfortable with that pair of goalies.

Most Wings fans feel the same way.

[jelake]

Lost 6 of last 8. Talk about slacking the last couple weeks of the season. Hoping St Louis beats Colorado tonight. I don't particularly care to see the Wings play that degenerate good squad the Ducks.

[scmarcos]

I could see you taking a run at Khabibulon, Biron, or Brian Boucher.

[iamredbeard]

Lost 6 of last 8. Talk about slacking the last couple weeks of the season. Hoping St Louis beats Colorado tonight. I don't particularly care to see the Wings play that degenerate good squad the Ducks.

I am not so worried about playing a bunch of goons. I just don't want any late games that don't get over till 1 AM or later.

[jelake]

I am not so worried about playing a bunch of goons. I just don't want any late games that don't get over till 1 AM or later.

Well we avoid Chris Pronger's dirty play and West Coast trips. Columbus is our opponent. St. Louis won 1-0!

San Jose gets to drag it out with the Ducks now. Works for me.

[dittoheadAZ]

Well, the Regular Season is over, and I had a pretty good year.

Came in 2nd and 3rd in my two fantasy leagues! :mrgreen:

Too bad Phoenix doesn't have a professional hockey team... you know, one that might actually make the playoffs at some time this millenium.

[alexz2317]

Wings in 5 against Colombus. Colombus is too inexperienced. And there goalie may be good, but is still a rookie. Look what happened to Carey Price last year in the playoffs. So I see the Wings getting serious and dominating this series. Just stay out of the box and our PK can't hurt us.

[iamredbeard]

Wings in 5 against Colombus. Colombus is too inexperienced. And there goalie may be good, but is still a rookie. Look what happened to Carey Price last year in the playoffs. So I see the Wings getting serious and dominating this series. Just stay out of the box and our PK can't hurt us.

It would be nice if we could end the series in five games, but I think it will take longer than that. We have struggled about Columbus this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the series went seven games.

[alexz2317]

So you're saying 7 or 6 games?

[iamredbeard]

So you're saying 7 or 6 games?

I wouldn't be surprised. We have played them six times this years, and only have 7 points to show for it.

[alexz2317]

I wouldn't be surprised. We have played them six times this years, and only have 7 points to show for it.
I honestly think they could take the Jackets in 4 games. They have no playoff experience. They only have 1 good line. We brought up Helm and his speed. Mason may be very good but remember he is a rookie. Price was supposed to be a stud in the playoffs last year but that never happened. Detroit was just bored I think. Babcock will get them ready. Zetterberg is due to catch on fire. And hopefully Hossa does also like last year.

[iamredbeard]

I honestly think they could take the Jackets in 4 games. They have no playoff experience. They only have 1 good line. We brought up Helm and his speed. Mason may be very good but remember he is a rookie. Price was supposed to be a stud in the playoffs last year but that never happened. Detroit was just bored I think. Babcock will get them ready. Zetterberg is due to catch on fire. And hopefully Hossa does also like last year.

I'm not worried. I just know that we have struggled against them this year and that it could turn into a long series. A sweep would be really nice, but I'm not counting on it.

[alexz2317]

I think we sweep.

[scmarcos]

You guys won't sweep. A sweep is so hard to do in professional sports. You might win it in 5 but only a true, jaded, homer calls for the sweep.

[iamredbeard]

Interesting article about Hossa. http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/04/matheson_marian_hossa_will_sta.html

Pretty much everyone thinks the cap will be around what it is next year and we only have 5.5 mil in cap and we only have 8 forwards signed for next year. Holland would obviously have to move some players but the problem is that many of those players have no trade clauses.

[Remus Lupin]

I think we sweep.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!
The Redwings might be good, but the Jackets are a force to be reckon with.
I predict the Jackets will win 4-3.
GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iamredbeard]

If you believe that, you need a catscan my friend.
The Redwings might be good, but the Jackets are a force to be reckon with.
I predict the Jackets will win 4-3.

The Wings are the team to be reckoned with. Kinda overconfident aren't ya. First time in the playoffs and you think you can win against the defending champs, who brought in the biggest free agent in the off-season. Only way Columbus wins is that Mason steals the series I don't think that's going to happen.

[grbennett]

The Wings are the team to be reckoned with. Kinda overconfident aren't ya. First time in the playoffs and you think you can win against the defending champs, who brought in the biggest free agent in the off-season. Only way Columbus wins is that Mason steals the series I don't think that's going to happen.

Nash has two hat tricks against you guys this year dude. You've got Osgood in net. You'd better hope your team doesn't write the Jackets off like you are.

[iamredbeard]

Nash has two hat tricks against you guys this year dude. You've got Osgood in net. You'd better hope your team doesn't write the Jackets off like you are.

I am not writing them off. Sorry if it sounded that way. We played them six times this year and only got 7 points to show for it. When Alex was talking about the series going 4 or maybe 5 games, it was I who said that I wouldn't be surprised if the series went 7 games.

[alexz2317]

Great Game Ozzie!!!

[iamredbeard]

Once again Lidstrom is finalist for the Norris Trophy.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=276164

[scmarcos]

Mike Green is so freaking overrated.

[alexz2317]

Mike Green is so freaking overrated.
For once, I agree with you on something.

[alexz2317]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4111297

Congrats Datsyuk, you are deserving.

[iamredbeard]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4111297

Congrats Datsyuk, you are deserving.

Wow, didn't see this coming, but am glad to see him be a finalist for the Hart. I think this is the first time a Wing has been a finalist for the Hart since Federov won in (I think in 94).

[iamredbeard]

Wings looked rusty in the first period, at least we were able to get the game tied up going into the first intermission.

In related news, I wouldn't be surprised if Brown ends up get suspended for the rest of the series.

[scmarcos]

Watching the Pirates, what happened?

[iamredbeard]

Watching the Pirates, what happened?

Brown gave Hudler a cheap head shot and they puck was no where in the vicinity. The play resulted in a 5 minute major penalty and a game misconduct. During intermission the analysts at versus said that he should get a lengthy suspension.

[iamredbeard]

Thought the Wings looked rusty tonight, less so as the game went on. But in the end they did enough to get a victory.

[scmarcos]

He should not be suspended for that hit. That wasn't that bad even though he got cut.

[iamredbeard]

He should not be suspended for that hit. That wasn't that bad even though he got cut.

The NHL ruling has come down and he will not be suspended. My statement about how he might be suspended for a while was based more on the analysts at Versus said that anything else. They all said that he would be suspended for the rest of the series, as it turns out they were wrong.

[alexz2317]

He should not be suspended for that hit. That wasn't that bad even though he got cut.
Yeah but he was vulnerable. Brashear got 6 games for a similar hit. Just because the outcome of the hit was not as bad doesn't mean you base the severity of the injury on how long you should suspend him or not. He should have got at least a game. It was a forearm shot, those are illegal anyways. But whatever, he hurt his team by doing that.

[scmarcos]

It was not a forearm. Take a look without your homer glasses, more of a shoulder to shoulder to me.

[alexz2317]

It was not a forearm. Take a look without your homer glasses, more of a shoulder to shoulder to me.
Take off your Anti-Red Wings glasses and look closer. Anaheim is a goon team, plain and simple. Pronger is the leader of the goons.

[iamredbeard]

It was a rough loss this afternoon. I still think that Detroit will win the series, but it's not going to be easy.

[scmarcos]

Take off your Anti-Red Wings glasses and look closer. Anaheim is a goon team, plain and simple. Pronger is the leader of the goons.

I'm not anti-Redwings. It's called hockey, if you can't take a hit you probably shouldn't play. Not everyone gets all bent out of shape over hard hits, it's only fans of the softies that do.

[Mountain Soldier]

I thought the hit where the Red Wing - I think Kromwall - left his feet and broke the guy's nose was worse.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Yeah but he was vulnerable. Brashear got 6 games for a similar hit. Just because the outcome of the hit was not as bad doesn't mean you base the severity of the injury on how long you should suspend him or not. He should have got at least a game. It was a forearm shot, those are illegal anyways. But whatever, he hurt his team by doing that.

I didn't see the hit...you're saying the person hit was "vulnerable", but was he involved in the play?

Brashear was suspended because he decked a guy who was ENTIRELY away from the play.

BIIIIIIG difference.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I thought the hit where the Red Wing - I think Kromwall - left his feet and broke the guy's nose was worse.

Kronwall's was a dirty hit and should AT LEAST have been penalized.

But Kronwall's been getting away with that for a couple years now...apparently, when you're a smaller defender (and you play for one of the league's marquee franchises), you get away with things like that.

[scmarcos]

It wasn't even a dirty hit. The guy had the puck less than one second before he was hit.

[iamredbeard]

There seems to be two schools of thoughts about this and no one seems to be taking the middle ground. The analysts from Versus, ESPN and NBC and the Wings fans thought there should have been a suspension. Then the Ducks fans, thought that don't like the Wings, CBC and some at TSN think that no penalty should have been called at all.

My thoughts on that matter, and I am bias being a Wings fan is that the reason that there was no suspension is that there was no significant injury. The NHL brass tends to only hand out suspensions when the hit to the head result in long term injuries which was not the case with Hudler. Ten stitches to the head and he was back in the game in the second period.

As for Kronwall your right, he got away with leaving his feet, but he has also been called on it. The reality the refs let a lot of calls that could have called, not be called and that is fine with me as long as they are consistent. If memory serves in game 2 only 7 penalties were called. The game was not played that clean, there were more penalties then that the refs just didn't call them. Which is fine with me, just be consistent.

[alexz2317]

Plain and simple, you don't lead with your forearm.

[scmarcos]

He hit him with his shoulder.

Should say plain an simple you don't hit a poor poor Wedwing.

[Broseph]

Wow.

I was watching the game on Versus tonight, and that Red Wings disallowed goal with just over a minute left has to be the biggest screwjob I have ever seen. The whistle didn't even blow before the puck was in.

The announcers were being apologists for the referees and claiming that as soon as the ref has the thought to blow the whistle the play is dead. What?!

There's no reason that couldn't have been reviewed.

If the Red Wings lose this series, they can point to that. One of the few, clear-cut times in history when both sides can agree that the refs screwed a team cold.

[iamredbeard]

How the hell can ref lose sight of the puck. I'm sure he feels bad after seeing the replay, but the reality is that he screwed up big time. Don't wanna sound like a Pens fan, but we just got robbed.

[snagswolf]

Don't wanna sound like a Pens fan, but we just got robbed.
No, you're sounding just like a typical whiny Wings fan.

[snagswolf]

The announcers were being apologists for the referees and claiming that as soon as the ref has the thought to blow the whistle the play is dead. What?!

There's no reason that couldn't have been reviewed.
That's been the rule for as long as I can remember. It's when the ref determines that he lost sight of the puck, not when he blows the whistle.

So if the ref loses sight of the puck, and is reaching to blow his whistle and the puck goes in, it's not a goal.

And it's not reviewable, because what's to review? How can video replay determine when the ref lost sight of the puck?

[scmarcos]

Refs never cost anyone a game. You put yourself in a position to win. Refs can make it harder, but they never cost a game.

[super cool ski instructor]

No, you're sounding just like a typical whiny Wings fan.

I just love when you say assinine things like this...it's a great way to start the day.

[snagswolf]

I just love when you say assinine things like this...it's a great way to start the day.
I calls them like I sees them.

BTW, even though it makes complete sense that the word 'asinine' would contain the word 'ass', it doesn't.

[super cool ski instructor]

I calls them like I sees them.

BTW, even though it makes complete sense that the word 'asinine' would contain the word 'ass', it doesn't.

Thank you grammer police. It is always so refreshing when someone points out spelling or typing errors of others...makes them look soooo cool.

[snagswolf]

Thank you grammer police. It is always so refreshing when someone points out spelling or typing errors of others...makes them look soooo cool.
More whining from a Wings fan?

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!

[Beccaria]

More whining from a Wings fan?

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!

Yeah.... almost sounds as bad as a Pennsylvania hockey fan.

[super cool ski instructor]

More whining from a Wings fan?

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!

No no..I think you are confusing whining with complete and utter boredom with you :D

[ALBOB2]

Yeah.... almost sounds as bad as a Pennsylvania hockey fan.


Hey now, you forgot to specify a WESTERN Pennsylvania hocky fan. :naughty:

[Iggy]

Hey, it had to happen. How else was Anaheim going to be able to win a game this series?

The call on that shot was like a kid finding a dollar a millionaire just dropped. Let 'em have it.

[snagswolf]

Hey, it had to happen. How else was Anaheim going to be able to win a game this series?
Um, maybe like they won Game 2?

Or did the refs steal that one too?

[Iggy]

Oh. Heheh... I thought that was game 2. I'll just shut up now.

[scmarcos]

Hey now, you forgot to specify a WESTERN Pennsylvania hocky fan. :naughty:

Flyers fans are the biggest babies in sports. In fact all Philly sports fans are. They have never lost a game that wasn't taken away by the refs, and use it to always justify their futility.

[iamredbeard]

No, you're sounding just like a typical whiny Wings fan.

I don't know to many Wings fans. Generally we don't blame the refs about every loss. This time it's different. All the Wings message boards that I visit are furious. It's not a good situation,

[PuckHappy]

Wow.

I was watching the game on Versus tonight, and that Red Wings disallowed goal with just over a minute left has to be the biggest screwjob I have ever seen. The whistle didn't even blow before the puck was in.

The announcers were being apologists for the referees and claiming that as soon as the ref has the thought to blow the whistle the play is dead. What?!

There's no reason that couldn't have been reviewed.

If the Red Wings lose this series, they can point to that. One of the few, clear-cut times in history when both sides can agree that the refs screwed a team cold.

But since it wasn't the game winning goal so it didn't "cost" them the game.
The wings had the 58 minutes prior to get a puck in the net but they didn't do it. So even IF that one had been counted who's to say they could have done it again to win the game?

[ALBOB2]

Flyers fans are the biggest babies in sports. In fact all Philly sports fans are. They have never lost a game that wasn't taken away by the refs, and use it to always justify their futility.


Could that brush you're painting with get any wider? "Biggest, All, Never, Always", absolute terms usually aren't your friend. I know of two Philly sports fans right here on these boards that prove you wrong, Dr. Funkenstein and I. We bitch, sure, but it's about the players poor performances, not the ref's.

[scmarcos]

I live in Eastern Pa too my friend, and the overwhelming majority of Philly fans are babies and many are just thugs.

[alexz2317]

No matter what team you root for. That was a horrible call and blatant. Puck went in before the whistle too, so that should have been reviewed.

[bbt630]

No matter what team you root for. That was a horrible call and blatant. Puck went in before the whistle too, so that should have been reviewed.I don't believe the whistle is reviewable.
could be wrong......

[bbt630]

It's certainly looking like hockey season is in trouble for us here in Michigan.

The Wings are struggling to light the lamp, and their affiliate Griffins just got swept out of round 2 of the AHL playoffs.

[iamredbeard]

I don't believe the whistle is reviewable.
could be wrong......

Yeah, it's not reviewable and furthermore it's not when the whistle was blown but rather when did he intend to blow the whistle.

[iamredbeard]

On the bright side of things Datsyuk is a finalist for yet another award. http://www.freep.com/article/20090506/SPORTS05/90506088/1053/rss17

[snagswolf]

I don't know to many Wings fans.All the Wings message boards that I visit...
Huh?

[iamredbeard]

Huh?

Another typo on my part. It was suppose to say that I don't know to many whiny fans. Of course since I made that post, everything has changed. We all are bitching like little kids. Year, it's embarrassing but we are all bitter and in a foul food.

[super cool ski instructor]

Another typo on my part. It was suppose to say that I don't know to many whiny fans. Of course since I made that post, everything has changed. We all are bitching like little kids. Year, it's embarrassing but we are all bitter and in a foul food.

I've been listening to Sports radio here for the past day and a half and I have not really heard any whining. I hear alot of "if they would have played the beginning of the game like they played the end of the game there would probably be no need for any discussions about the call"

I guess you could call that whining...but not in the sense you or snags are saying it is.

[RedStatePaPa]

Another typo on my part. It was suppose to say that I don't know to many whiny fans. Of course since I made that post, everything has changed. We all are bitching like little kids. Year, it's embarrassing but we are all bitter and in a foul food.

Try being a Montreal Canadiens fan. Talk about bitter.

And now they are out, my second favorite team is getting beat now by the ducks?!

No team named the ducks should ever win anything. :D

[iamredbeard]

I've been listening to Sports radio here for the past day and a half and I have not really heard any whining. I hear alot of "if they would have played the beginning of the game like they played the end of the game there would probably be no need for any discussions about the call"

I guess you could call that whining...but not in the sense you or snags are saying it is.

I don't get talk radio up here in the sticks, but the people that I have been talking to up here and those that I have been talking to on the message boards are doing a lot of complaining and whining. Although I must admit that there is less of it today than there was yesterday.

[super cool ski instructor]

Now THAT is the kind of playing I like to see!!!


Now I want to say that I want to play Chicago in the next round...because I am sick of staying up until 2 in the friggin morning!!! :mad:

[iamredbeard]

Now THAT is the kind of playing I like to see!!!


Now I want to say that I want to play Chicago in the next round...because I am sick of staying up until 2 in the friggin morning!!! :mad:

Amen Sister. I hate these late start times. With any luck, I'll only have to put up with one more.

[iamredbeard]

Now THAT is the kind of playing I like to see!!!


Now I want to say that I want to play Chicago in the next round...because I am sick of staying up until 2 in the friggin morning!!! :mad:

With both Chicago and Detroit up 3-2, I think we'll get exactly what you want. Only one more late game. :cool:

[super cool ski instructor]

:dance:

[Beccaria]

"A Titan against a Titan!!!"

[iamredbeard]

Next up Chicago, original six matchup for the right to go to the Stanley Cup Finals. Windy City v Motor City. Sould be a fun series. :cool:

[Beccaria]

Next up Chicago, original six matchup for the right to go to the Stanley Cup Finals. Windy City v Motor City. Sould be a fun series. :cool:

This is going to be as tooth and nail as it gets. Chicago's hungry this year, although we've been able to beat them overall during the regular season.

Like I said, A titan against a titan!

[Iggy]

Oh, this is going to be good. :)

[super cool ski instructor]

The guys on the radio were talking to Chelli this morning. He was talking about how it will be a much more relaxed series coming off of playing against the Ducks and thier aggressivness.

[iamredbeard]

Draper, Datsyuk and Lidstrom all out for game 4. Detroit up 3-0 early in the second period.

[alexz2317]

Great game while missing MVP, Selke, Lady Byng nominee in Datsyuk. Norris in Lidstrom. And great penalty killer and faceoff man in Draper. 6-1 baby!!!! The Hawks wanted us and got us.

[iamredbeard]

Former Wing/Blackhawk enforcer Bob Probert stuck to his guns Sunday after dropping the ceremonial first puck and told the Chicago Sun-Times he was rooting for the home team. So in his honor, Chicago went out and spent 56 minutes in the penalty box.http://www.freep.com/article/20090526/SPORTS05/905260352/1053/rss17

:)):)):))

[iamredbeard]

Lidstrom and Datsyuk are out for tonight;s game. http://www.freep.com/article/20090527/BLOG09/90527040/1053/rss17

Hope they win tonight in front of their fans, if not then we got two more chances to finish the Hawks off. No way they win three in a row.

[Beccaria]

Good night, Chicago....

[iamredbeard]

There's a new game that is all the rage in hockeytown. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080522/MULTI/80522108/0/SPORTS02


Caution: Penguin fans and Penguin lovers should stay away.

[super cool ski instructor]

:)) Great...that game will take up much of my time...damn it I WILL beat 350!

[iamredbeard]

:)) Great...that game will take up much of my time...damn it I WILL beat 350!

The best I have done is 322.9, usually I get in the 200-250 range.

[alexz2317]

Okay back to the drawing table. Do we keep Hossa if he accepts a long-term deal for less money or do we let him go and pick up a solid defenseman? It's hard a subject because I think Lids retires after next year after his contract expires and we need another good defenseman. I like Komisarek and Bouwmeester. Do we lose Samuelsson and Hudler? Does Helm play all season? Along with Ericsson?

[iamredbeard]

Okay back to the drawing table. Do we keep Hossa if he accepts a long-term deal for less money or do we let him go and pick up a solid defenseman? It's hard a subject because I think Lids retires after next year after his contract expires and we need another good defenseman. I like Komisarek and Bouwmeester. Do we lose Samuelsson and Hudler? Does Helm play all season? Along with Ericsson?

Our options are limited as we are right up against the salary cap as it is right now. We probably won't go after a defenseman because we already have eight signed for next season who are expected to make the team. As for Hossa, it depends on what he wants, what the new cap will be. Holland has already said that if Hossa stays that some players will have to be moved. Many people think that if the Red Wings can get Hossa signed to a Zetterberg type of contract and that the cap stays right around where it is, that Rafalski might have to be the one to get moved to make cap room for Hossa. From what I have read it looks like the Wings might have five rookies on our opening day roster next year.

Red Wings Central is the source that I use the most and this is how they have our salary cap breaking down. http://www.redwingscentral.com/features/orgchart.php

[alexz2317]

Our options are limited as we are right up against the salary cap as it is right now. We probably won't go after a defenseman because we already have eight signed for next season who are expected to make the team. As for Hossa, it depends on what he wants, what the new cap will be. Holland has already said that if Hossa stays that some players will have to be moved. Many people think that if the Red Wings can get Hossa signed to a Zetterberg type of contract and that the cap stays right around where it is, that Rafalski might have to be the one to get moved to make cap room for Hossa. From what I have read it looks like the Wings might have five rookies on our opening day roster next year.

Red Wings Central is the source that I use the most and this is how they have our salary cap breaking down. http://www.redwingscentral.com/features/orgchart.php
Well Helm and Ericsson both deserve spots on the roster next year. Leino wants to be in the lineup and it sounds like Babcock is going to do that. So I do see Hossa getting resigned. But I do think they need to prepare for Lidstroms retirement.

[iamredbeard]

Well Helm and Ericsson both deserve spots on the roster next year. Leino wants to be in the lineup and it sounds like Babcock is going to do that. So I do see Hossa getting resigned. But I do think they need to prepare for Lidstroms retirement.

Abdelkader and Howard will also probably make the team. They are preparing for Lidstrom's retirement, whenever that may be. Next season is the last year of his contract, will he retire then, who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if he signs a few one year contracts. Other that it is also worth noting that right now we have 5 top 4 defenseman, plus many people around the league think that Jacub Kindl think could be a top 2 defenseman and should be at least a top 4 defenseman. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/jakub_kindl

To me the big questions are 1) What is the new cap number going to be? 2) Will we sign Hossa and if we do who will we end up moving to stay under the cap ceiling.

Having said that I think we are in good shape. Many teams only have half their team inked for next year. We have 20 players (18 skaters) who are signed and expected to make the team next season.

[alexz2317]

Abdelkader and Howard will also probably make the team. They are preparing for Lidstrom's retirement, whenever that may be. Next season is the last year of his contract, will he retire then, who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if he signs a few one year contracts. Other that it is also worth noting that right now we have 5 top 4 defenseman, plus many people around the league think that Jacub Kindl think could be a top 2 defenseman and should be at least a top 4 defenseman. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/jakub_kindl

To me the big questions are 1) What is the new cap number going to be? 2) Will we sign Hossa and if we do who will we end up moving to stay under the cap ceiling.

Having said that I think we are in good shape. Many teams only have half their team inked for next year. We have 20 players (18 skaters) who are signed and expected to make the team next season.
I'm not too sure about Howard. I hear that Larsson is a stud. But our team definately get's younger with the departure of Chelios. If only Maltby retired. I like the guy, he's a great Red Wing, but it's time.

[badkarma]

2) Will we sign Hossa and if we do who will we end up moving to stay under the cap ceiling.
22 games, 6 goals and only 15 points in the playoffs. II just can't see the wings paying him what he probably wants if it means losing some of there other young talent or Rafalski.

On the flip side, if they can get Hossa like they did this year, where they really didn't give anything up because they had the cash to pay him 7.5 without losing any one else, then that wouldn't be a bad deal. he is, after all, a good player and he may very well show up in the playoffs next year. But as it stands, and from what I can tell about the cap space Detroit has, I don't see them taking the chance that he wont show up again.

I know personally, last year when the pens offered him 50 million I thought that was over paying him, and I was pretty happy when he turned it down (though not so happy about his comments!). I would have to ask you folks, as wings fans would you really want Hossa back if he does agree to stay for 7.5 a year?

[super cool ski instructor]

2009 Hall of Fame Inductees to be announced today.

Considerations include Stevie Y, Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille, Tie Domi, Trevor Kidd, Garth Snow...and many more.

[super cool ski instructor]

What will become of Chris Chelios? The Wings are not offering him a contract...I would like to see him stick around as a coach....and I want him to stay in town because I love his chilli!

[alexz2317]

Tie Domi a HOFer?

And the thing with Hossa. I hope he does resign with the Wings. Too a front end load contract like Franzen and Zetterberg Signed. He did lead the Wings with goals during the regular season.

[iamredbeard]

Great article on Stevie Y. http://www.freep.com/article/20090624/COL22/906240361/1053/rss17

A must read for all Red Wings fans and a good read for all hockey fans.

[super cool ski instructor]

"Athletes sometimes talk about fulfilling their dreams, but if you are a Red Wings fan, the beauty of Steve Yzerman is that he fulfilled your dreams."

No truer words. I still miss seeing him play and am thankful for the many years I did get to see him play.

[iamredbeard]

What will become of Chris Chelios? The Wings are not offering him a contract...I would like to see him stick around as a coach....and I want him to stay in town because I love his chilli!

Ski, here is a decent article that talks about his future. http://www.freep.com/article/20090624/SPORTS05/90624055/1053/rss17

[scmarcos]

Tie Domi a HOFer?

And the thing with Hossa. I hope he does resign with the Wings. Too a front end load contract like Franzen and Zetterberg Signed. He did lead the Wings with goals during the regular season.

What difference does it make when they pay him the money? An NHL contract doesn't calculate cap hits when the player is paid, but by dividing the total contract amount by number of years and then that is the cap hit per year.

[alexz2317]

What difference does it make when they pay him the money? An NHL contract doesn't calculate cap hits when the player is paid, but by dividing the total contract amount by number of years and then that is the cap hit per year.
Do you have any clue what i'm talking about? Look at Franzen's and Zetterberg's contract then come back and discuss.

[scmarcos]

I've seen both of them. The payment schedule is really only there to help out the team with capital and has no real bearing on the cap or anything. They just won't be spending 6 million bucks at the end of the contract, but the cap hit will be the same.

They can pay everyone their full contracts this year if they really want, but it won't matter in terms of going over the cap down the line. That is why its so hard to sign Hossa to a long term deal, especially with the cap probably going down next year and the fact that Hockeytown isn't exactly selling out arenas.

I know someone in Pittsburgh who got a ticket,paid for gas to drive, and got a hotel in the Detroit area for less than a ticket at Mellon. I hope the current economic climate doesn't hurt the Wings at all.

[super cool ski instructor]

Ski, here is a decent article that talks about his future. http://www.freep.com/article/20090624/SPORTS05/90624055/1053/rss17

Thanks Red. I did hear that he was looking around the East Coast. I hope someone will pick him up for a year...he can be a great mentor to young players...plus I want to see him go out on his terms. Good to see the family will be staying in the area.

[alexz2317]

Well, the rumor mill is spinning. Heard this on the NHL Network. Right now Ken Holland and the GM for Tampa are talking about a trade. Get this. Hossa's rights for Vincent Lecavalier. :pray::pray::pray:

I would love to see him in a Wings uni.

[alexz2317]

Heatley to the Wings?? Highly doubtful but would love to see it.

[alexz2317]

Ville Leino re-signs with the Wings with a 2 year 1.6 mill contract.