Op-Ed Forum Discussion Thread

[cbut1]

I must say when I first read the concept posted by Firewatch I was thinking; ya'll be crazy in the head. :shifty:


I must say now that I have read the first series of posts. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


A brilliant idea and to those whom have posted so far Excellent.

[Fire Watch]

Thanks. Now get to writting your submission!

[CID_0687]

Thanks. Now get to writting your submission!
Alright, I will, but I can't guarantee how intellectual it will be.

[Fire Watch]

This will be the only thread in this sub-forum for general chat and discussion.

[spinach]

This will be the only thread in this sub-forum for general chat and discussion.


I think this forum is a good idea.
I will refrain from comments on any OP-EDs at this point.
:)

i think this should be a sticky and the title might ought to be in another color, if possible, FW

[Fire Watch]

There's no need for it to be a sticky. As the only unlocked thread in the forum..it'll naturally stay up top.

[e-doc]

Ditto on excellent idea.

[Oddball]

Question:

It seems to me that we've opened up a sort of commuinty blog page for the guests.

Would that be an accurate description?

[Fire Watch]

I'm impressed with the submissions so far. Hopefully some of the libs, independents, ect will participate.

[Fire Watch]

Good job. Keep 'em coming.

[cbut1]

I just wanted to point to a couple of potential errors grammatically that the author may want to address.


Applying Moral Standards to the State

By 2Parties1GlobalistGoal


1. In the 5th paragraph on the last line "you chose to keep your what is rightfully yours."


2. Last paragraph 2nd sentence "What we need is for all of us need to think about what government is"


Just trying to be helpful.

[JohnRandolph]

kewl idea

[Fire Watch]

I just wanted to point to a couple of potential errors grammatically that the author may want to address.


Applying Moral Standards to the State

By 2Parties1GlobalistGoal


1. In the 5th paragraph on the last line "you chose to keep your what is rightfully yours."


2. Last paragraph 2nd sentence "What we need is for all of us need to think about what government is"


Just trying to be helpful.
:)) thanks...but we arent grading them like High School English teachers.

[ERJohnson]

What happened to Mr. M's thread?
I do not see it in the OP-Ed forum, but I do when I search his profile for "threads started"?

[Fire Watch]

It's still there. http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=893311

I'm not sure what you're not seeing.

[ERJohnson]

Can I send you a screen shot?

[carbinier]

Who are the judges?

[ERJohnson]

When I go to the "Discussion Topics page, link (http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3), There are 11 threads listed.
When I enter the Op Ed forum link (http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=51), there are only 6 threads listed.

[BasicGreatGuy]

I don't see Mr. M's post either. It was showing this morning.

[Fire Watch]

This is strange. We'll look into it. Thanks.

[msny]

It's still there. http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=893311

I'm not sure what you're not seeing.

Same issue here.

Your direct link works, but when I look inside the
list for the Op Ed forum the listed link is not there at all
for Mr. M???

[cbut1]

:)) thanks...but we arent grading them like High School English teachers.



I understand but you did say in the role out that spelling needed to be watched so I was just trying to aid in that.


Firewatch

We're asking for those posters interested to write Op-Ed style, grammatically correct, spell checked, well thought out, posts on any subject of your choosing to include, America at War, Politics, Education, or The Economy. Members of every political persuasion are encouraged to participate.

[BasicGreatGuy]

Chip's OP isn't showing now and neither is Spinach's.

[Fire Watch]

The Admin is aware of the issue. We hope to have it resolved this evening.

[carbinier]

Who are the judges?

I asked because I wanted to volunteer to be a judge. Seriously, who better to judge the merits of a conservative's argument than someone who's trying to come up with rebuttals to them every day?

[BasicGreatGuy]

Can a moderator please correct two typos for me, in "The Vote of Slaves"?

In paragraph 3, the word should read inexcusable. In paragraph 4, the word should read brethren.

It is really bugging me. I can't believe I missed it.

Thank you.

[Fire Watch]

Sure

[BasicGreatGuy]

Sure

Thank you very much.

[Liability]

I noticed (belatedly) that my Op-Ed post was (to paraphrase McCain) "festooned" with an array of "ornaments." That is to say, I had several typos and a couple of rather ungrammatical turns of phrase. Normally, when I note such things too late, I go back and edit to correct them. I add, as the reason in the appropriate box, that I have spotted a typo and that (with luck) "typo dead now."

Obviously, I cannot do that on my poorly crafted Op-Ed when it's locked.

This raises a question. Would it be possible to grant a guest a "hall pass" of some kind to get back in to a locked Op-Ed for purposes of correcting it?

If I come back to this Op-Ed thread again, I will do the correcting BEFORE submitting henceforth. But as to that first effort, I messed it up, plain and simple. (It looks like I was guilty of posting while under the influence, but I believe I was as sober as a judge ... well, nevermind.)

If no such unlocking for a needed clean-up is possible, that's fine. But if it is, I'd be happy to correct my earlier sloppy work.

[Fire Watch]

We'll grade on a curve.

[Liability]

We'll grade on a curve.

:D

You are far too kind, sir.

(Let's just agree that I go to the registrar before the mid-terms and drop the course, instead, shall we?)

:D

For now, I think I'll sign up for the course in English as a Second Language.

It seems BABBLE is my native tongue.

[BasicGreatGuy]

:D

You are far too kind, sir.

(Let's just agree that I go to the registrar before the mid-terms and drop the course, instead, shall we?)

:D

For now, I think I'll sign up for the course in English as a Second Language.

It seems BABBLE is my native tongue.

You appear to "babble" very well, as I understood what you were conveying.

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

I noticed (belatedly) that my Op-Ed post was (to paraphrase McCain) "festooned" with an array of "ornaments." That is to say, I had several typos and a couple of rather ungrammatical turns of phrase. Normally, when I note such things too late, I go back and edit to correct them. I add, as the reason in the appropriate box, that I have spotted a typo and that (with luck) "typo dead now."

Obviously, I cannot do that on my poorly crafted Op-Ed when it's locked.

This raises a question. Would it be possible to grant a guest a "hall pass" of some kind to get back in to a locked Op-Ed for purposes of correcting it?

If I come back to this Op-Ed thread again, I will do the correcting BEFORE submitting henceforth. But as to that first effort, I messed it up, plain and simple. (It looks like I was guilty of posting while under the influence, but I believe I was as sober as a judge ... well, nevermind.)

If no such unlocking for a needed clean-up is possible, that's fine. But if it is, I'd be happy to correct my earlier sloppy work.

I feel similar on mine. I noticed those errors pointed out above after, of course, my thread was locked. It's my fault for not editing it. I typed it in open office, which tells you spelling errors, but not errors with disjointed sentences. I read through it a couple times before I posted, and changed some stuff, but you always see more.

I think some of us may be better off PM'ing each other our OP-ED's for a read through and suggestions before posting them.

[Cav Scout]

Rock on Billy Bob.

[CMike11]

I'm impressed with the submissions so far. Hopefully some of the libs, independents, ect will participate.

If you want I can pretend to be a lib?

I can do both sides even though I only believe in one side.

[waynevan]

Holy crap so this is where everybody went. I've been noticing how slow the general interest forums have been lately and wondering why. My bookmarked link to the forums takes me directly to general interest, so I didn't even notice there was a new forum, because I rarely go to the page listing all the forums.

Well, guess I'll start reading, and perhaps pondering what I might like to submit to this forum.

[cbut1]

I must applaude Cid for his Op-Ed piece on Promoting the General Welfare. Nice and concise.

[Fire Watch]

There are MANY great submissions. We're really impressed.

[IndpndntThinker]

That was a great commentary on Clinton vs Obama, but I especially appreciate the information on the "Global Poverty Act". I had heard a little about it but not much. I had no idea that the Clinton Global Initiative was pushing that Act.

[CID_0687]

I must applaude Cid for his Op-Ed piece on Promoting the General Welfare. Nice and concise.
I noticed a couple of grammatical errors...that CID character appears to be of lower intelligence.

[Vradic]

I hope I'm not out of line posting a negative; but I didn't believe that the person posting "Choice is Choice" was "Pro-life" as stated. The article is a total misunderstanding of the Pro-Life argument. It isn't about a "right-to-choose" or who gets that "right". It's about whether it's a PERSON who is killed in an abortion.

If it is a person being killed by an abortion, then there is no justification in discussing who gets to decide whether or not to murder that person. The "Choice is Choice" OP-Ed misses that key point completely, and tries to just make it a male-vs-female argument.

PS: I agree that CID's "Promoting the General Welfare" piece was very well written.

[Rick Mave]

So wait, is this the inaugural HF Op-Ed contest? I'll apologize for my ignorance; with just 5 posts I'm not quite a wiley veteran here.

[MrCapitalism]

There are MANY great submissions. We're really impressed.

...

[Stuball]

:d

you are far too kind, sir.

(let's just agree that i go to the registrar before the mid-terms and drop the course, instead, shall we?)

:d

for now, i think i'll sign up for the course in english as a second language.

It seems babble is my native tongue.
your gpa 0.0

[Liability]

your gpa 0.0

Nah. If I don't drop the course, my GPA drops. But if I drop it and it doesn't get averaged in, I get to keep my sterling 4.0 out of 4.0.

God, it's good to be a conservative!

:)

[Liability]

I noticed a couple of grammatical errors...that CID character appears to be of lower intelligence.

How can Cid dis Cid yet make me feel like a Biden?

:frown:

[BasicGreatGuy]

Whomever came up with this idea, I tip my hat to them. It is great to see so many participating. I hope more get involved.

Good luck to all!

[CID_0687]

How can Cid dis Cid yet make me feel like a Biden?

:frown:
:eh: How'd I make you feel like Biden?

[Liability]

:eh: How'd I make you feel like Biden?

If Cid disses Cid over grammatical or spelling errors and challenges Cid's intelligence, then by implication I must be as dumb as a box of Biden, too, since my contribution was a grammatical and uncorrected spelling error MESS.

:frown:

[Fire Watch]

Remember, those of you that arent finalist for this week can request to have your threads moved to the appropriate forum to be opened for debate and discussion.

Also..those of an opposing view to the finalist have the right to nominate someone to write a rebuttal to the winning submission.

[CID_0687]

go ahead and move mine where you will there cochese

[CMike11]

Remember, those of you that arent finalist for this week can request to have your threads moved to the appropriate forum to be opened for debate and discussion.

Also..those of an opposing view to the finalist have the right to nominate someone to write a rebuttal to the winning submission.

How does the nominating someone to write a rebuttal work please?

[Fire Watch]

I'd suggest starting the process with those of like minded ideology via PM.

[Fire Watch]

go ahead and move mine where you will there cochese
sho nuf

[breezyjr]

I hope I'm not out of line posting a negative; but I didn't believe that the person posting "Choice is Choice" was "Pro-life" as stated. The article is a total misunderstanding of the Pro-Life argument. It isn't about a "right-to-choose" or who gets that "right". It's about whether it's a PERSON who is killed in an abortion.

If it is a person being killed by an abortion, then there is no justification in discussing who gets to decide whether or not to murder that person. The "Choice is Choice" OP-Ed misses that key point completely, and tries to just make it a male-vs-female argument.

PS: I agree that CID's "Promoting the General Welfare" piece was very well written.

Please move my Op-Ed of Choice is Choice to the appropriate forum. As stated above, perhaps I should have titled the Op-Ed as male-v-female. Or possibly mother-v- father.

[CMike11]

I would like to congratulate Mr. M on winning.

[CMike11]

sho nuf

?

[spinach]

I would like to congratulate Mr. M on winning.


i think anyone who tried is a 'winner'.
anyone can read an op-ed.
But to write one, and inspire, is a different matter.

I'm happy to be able to just 'write' and not have some jackass pollute my thread and submission.

same with the other fine submissions.
I read all of them and liked parts of all.

[jet]

This may have already been addressed but how is an article determined to be an original? I can cut and paste the first paragraph of some of these and hit a few blog sites that have the exact same lingo in them.

Just curious...it is the internet after all ;)

[spinach]

This may have already been addressed but how is an article determined to be an original? I can cut and paste the first paragraph of some of these and hit a few blog sites that have the exact same lingo in them.

Just curious...it is the internet after all ;)


I have my fun just writing the little things that I really care about.
That's what makes it great for me.

[CID_0687]

i think anyone who tried is a 'winner'.
anyone can read an op-ed.
But to write one, and inspire, is a different matter.

I think it's going to come down to a popularity contest anyways-
and it's kinda silly anyhow, since there is no way of knowing if any of us who wrote something are the real authors.

that said, I'm happy to be able to just 'write' and not have some jackass pollute my thread and submission.

same with the other fine submissions.
I read all of them and liked parts of all.
I couldn't agree with you more.

It took me several glasses of George Dickel's Old #12 to work up the nerve to write what I did.

We all did a good job.

[spinach]

I couldn't agree with you more.

It took me several glasses of George Dickel's Old #12 to work up the nerve to write what I did.

We all did a good job.


yeah the bar on this forum is about 15 feet higher than the other forums....

:))

no one wants to put crap on the forum here...it will stand out BIGTIME

[Fire Watch]

I'm creating a sub-foum off of this forum to move the previous submissions to, hopefully to cut down on the confusion.

[CMike11]

This may have already been addressed but how is an article determined to be an original? I can cut and paste the first paragraph of some of these and hit a few blog sites that have the exact same lingo in them.

Just curious...it is the internet after all ;)

It's not like we win a $1 million...

I don't think it's worth cheating for.

[MustangGT]

I think this Op-Ed site is a really nice addition to Hannity.com. I just stumbled across it for the first time today.

As my first entry, I merely reworked an original compositiion I submitted a couple of days ago as a thread in the WP forum.

So, let me offer my aploogies to anyone who has previously seen it. However, the ideas were/are all miine.

Edit to add: Kudos to everyone who developed this idea and put it all together. I also think it was an inspired idea to prevent discussion on each submission in favor of allowing anyone/everyone to submit their own original ideas in separate submissions.

[jet]

It's not like we win a $1 million...

I don't think it's worth cheating for.

Money isn't the only motivating factor for cheating ;)

[Rick Mave]

lol, fire watch are like in the 8th grade or something, bro?

First, you addressed none of my questions about the contest here. Namely, how it is the finalists were selected before the due date even arrived. Now, the winning submission is to be unlocked for discussion, yet there it is, the winner, locked with only comments from you about what a great job it was, how that's what you were looking for, exactly.

Perhaps there's a reason for your evasion, sadly.

[Fire Watch]

lol, fire watch are like in the 8th grade or something, bro?

First, you addressed none of my questions about the contest here. Namely, how it is the finalists were selected before the due date even arrived. Now, the winning submission is to be unlocked for discussion, yet there it is, the winner, locked with only comments from you about what a great job it was, how that's what you were looking for, exactly.

Perhaps there's a reason for your evasion, sadly.

Actually, what we have here is reading comprehension failure.


This forum will be heavily moderated.

We're asking for those posters interested to write Op-Ed style, grammatically correct, spell checked, well thought out, posts on any subject of your choosing to include, America at War, Politics, Education, or The Economy. Members of every political persuasion are encouraged to participate.

Each submission will need to be made as a new thread. THESE THREADS AND SUBMISSIONS ARE NOT DEBATE/DISCUSSION THREADS. Each thread is in and of itself, a submission for consideration for Hannity Forums Op-Ed of the week.

Every week, ONE submission will be chosen as the Op-Ed of the week. That thread will be made "sticky". Those of the opposing ideology (if a conservative thread wins, a liberal rebuttal, and vice versa) will then be given an opportunity to chose from their members, ONE poster to write a rebuttal to the winning submission. That rebuttal will be added as post #2 to the sticky.

All submissions will be locked immediately after the OP. If the OP of a non-winning submission wishes their thread to be moved to the appropriate forum and opened for debate, it will be done.

At the end of the week when the next winning submission is chosen, the previous weeks winner will be "un-stuck", and will remain in this sub-forum to be archived.

Again, this sub-forum is NOT a debate/discussion forum. Any threads/posts that are not submissions for Hannity Forums Op-Ed of the week will be moved/deleted at the discretion of the Moderators.

This is an opportunity to make your mark here..a chance to raise awareness of this board, and to showcase the intellects, and skills of our numerous quality posters. We believe there are some great thinkers of every ideology here..and we want to see your best.

Have fun.http://forums.hannity.com/announcement.php?f=81&a=121

Perhaps take a course in remedial reading comprehension before "calling out" a moderator and making yourself look so foolish mmk?

[Cav Scout]

lol, fire watch are like in the 8th grade or something, bro?

First, you addressed none of my questions about the contest here. Namely, how it is the finalists were selected before the due date even arrived. Now, the winning submission is to be unlocked for discussion, yet there it is, the winner, locked with only comments from you about what a great job it was, how that's what you were looking for, exactly.

Perhaps there's a reason for your evasion, sadly.

Wow, who is in 8th grade?

[Cav Scout]

Great read M!

[Rick Mave]

Originally posted by Fire Watch
Actually, what we have here is reading comprehension failure....Perhaps take a course in remedial reading comprehension before "calling out" a moderator and making yourself look so foolish mmk?

I have little problem admitting my misunderstanding of what level of conversation the winning Op-Ed would be granted. I incorrectly thought it was to be discussed when obviously The Rules* state what you'd prefer is something more along the lines merely of a singular, lone rebuttal. Fair enough.

But what you also stated was that entries were open until 10/3/08, yet on the morning of 10/1 you posted the group of finalists as entries kept trickling in before the actual deadline ever even arrived, denying them fair consideration. That question has been posed to you numerous times and you remain evasive or incapable of answering it.

Also what you've left unaddressed is how or who decides what makes the finalists' pool in the first place.

The point is if you're intent on making the Op-Ed board a formal species within the forum, then the management of it should not and cannot be informal, makeshift, piecemeal, work-in-progress, scatterbrain, or obscure--all of which it has been.

And by the bye bro, anyone who resorts to reading comprehension smack and signs off with mmk? can't tell anyone else he looks foolish.

*If the rebuttal is to be the second and only other post on the Sticky, then you'll have to remove your congratulatory post currently occupying that space, and its redundant invalidity in post #3 as well. http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=893311

[cbut1]

I have little problem admitting my misunderstanding of what level of conversation the winning Op-Ed would be granted. I incorrectly thought it was to be discussed when obviously The Rules* state what you'd prefer is something more along the lines merely of a singular, lone rebuttal. Fair enough.

But what you also stated was that entries were open until 10/3/08, yet on the morning of 10/1 you posted the group of finalists as entries kept trickling in before the actual deadline ever even arrived, denying them fair consideration. That question has been posed to you numerous times and you remain evasive or incapable of answering it.

Also what you've left unaddressed is how or who decides what makes the finalists' pool in the first place.

The point is if you're intent on making the Op-Ed board a formal species within the forum, then the management of it should not and cannot be informal, makeshift, piecemeal, work-in-progress, scatterbrain, or obscure--all of which it has been.

And by the bye bro, anyone who resorts to reading comprehension smack and signs off with mmk? can't tell anyone else he looks foolish.

*If the rebuttal is to be the second and only other post on the Sticky, then you'll have to remove your congratulatory post currently occupying that space, and its redundant invalidity in post #3 as well. http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=893311



Dude you might want to watch how your speaking to a Moderator.

Mr. Hannity has given them room to make this option available to us and he doesn't have to show us that kindness. If you or others go around bashing a good idea simply because of the way you think it should be done, doesn't fly. You can state the same concerns in a manner that reflects more respect and less contempt.

[Rick Mave]

cbut1, i better watch how i speak to a moderator? this isn't a caste system. Now I've raised the issue a few times, and only after I increased the temperature did it warrant a response from the aptly named Fire Watch

so i agree with your preference for more cordial disagreement, however none of that worked and so after being told I need some remedial enlgish course (I hold a Duke MBA, thank you), it was time to point out how poorly he's been doing his job since being pedantic is what he's apparently into

[ERJohnson]

As long as your are at it, would you like to kick Mr. Hannity's dog while you are in his house?

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=37782031#post37782031


cbut1, i better watch how i speak to a moderator? this isn't a caste system. Now I've raised the issue a few times, and only after I increased the temperature did it warrant a response from the aptly named Fire Watch

so i agree with your preference for more cordial disagreement, however none of that worked and so after being told I need some remedial enlgish course (I hold a Duke MBA, thank you), it was time to point out how poorly he's been doing his job since being pedantic is what he's apparently into


Am I to assume that Enlgish 101 is a course at Duke?

Thanks for the irony treat.

[Fire Watch]

Since this sub-forum is a source of such angst for poor Mr. Mave..he no longer has access.

[Fire Watch]

cbut1, i better watch how i speak to a moderator? this isn't a caste system. Now I've raised the issue a few times, and only after I increased the temperature did it warrant a response from the aptly named Fire Watch

so i agree with your preference for more cordial disagreement, however none of that worked and so after being told I need some remedial enlgish course (I hold a Duke MBA, thank you), it was time to point out how poorly he's been doing his job since being pedantic is what he's apparently into

I took about 8 seconds to make some minor corrections to your post. I only bothered with the most obvious.

Duke huh? You may want to consider a refund.


cbut1, I better watch how I speak to a moderator? This isn't a caste system. Now I've raised the issue a few times, and only after I increased the temperature did it warrant a response from the aptly named Fire Watch.

So I agree with your preference for more cordial disagreement, however none of that worked and so after being told I need some remedial English course (I hold a Duke MBA, thank you), it was time to point out how poorly he's been doing his job since being pedantic is what he's apparently into.

[cbut1]

I took about 8 seconds to make some minor corrections to your post. I only bothered with the most obvious.

Duke huh? You may want to consider a refund.



If that is what a high quality education gets you, then boy howdy am I pleased as punch that I went into the Marine Corps instead of college. :whistle:

[Cav Scout]

If that is what a high quality education gets you, then boy howdy am I pleased as punch that I went into the Marine Corps instead of college. :whistle:

No doubt.
That guy is a hoot.

[Wookinstien]

I took about 8 seconds to make some minor corrections to your post. I only bothered with the most obvious.

Duke huh? You may want to consider a refund.

He also ended his rant with a preposition. Bad form. :mrgreen:

it was time to point out how poorly he's been doing his job since being pedantic is what he's apparently into

[Databyter]

Hi guys, I'm a newly registered member and I'm enjoying reading the different points of view.

Not sure exactly how the thread works as far as voting and posting but I'm sure it will come to me as I go.

I'm more interested in being able to share some thoughts from time to time and learn from you guys. It seems that some of you, like myself actually do research and not just re-iterate talking points.

Some of the things we come up with might be very interesting indeed as I am always looking for more ammunition in my gun of truth

I'm now trying to figure out how to make the newest post show up at the top and first page as is my preference.

[Stuball]

Hi guys, I'm a newly registered member and I'm enjoying reading the different points of view.

Not sure exactly how the thread works as far as voting and posting but I'm sure it will come to me as I go.

I'm more interested in being able to share some thoughts from time to time and learn from you guys. It seems that some of you, like myself actually do research and not just re-iterate talking points.

Some of the things we come up with might be very interesting indeed as I am always looking for more ammunition in my gun of truth

I'm now trying to figure out how to make the newest post show up at the top and first page as is my preference.
Go yo your user CP in the upper left hand corner

[bayoubill]

...no way in the world am i ever gonna even be considered for a finalist. it's a popularity contest--
that's how it always goes when you let 'votes' decide anything on this forum.


Spinach raises a valid point.


The way this contest is set up,

there’s a very real possibility that, regardless of the quality of what’s been written,

some folks will be subtily moved to vote based simply on who they like, with a bias against who they don’t like or are unfamiliar with.

In other words, some folks may tend to vote for the poster rather than the post.


I also imagine that some folks may vote without having even read the posts, or without having read the posts of posters they don’t like or are not familiar with,

and will simply vote based on the name of the author.


Truth be told, I’m much more likely to vote for anything written by, say, Mr. M or BasicGreatGuy, just because their names are attached to the article in question.

Anybody who doesn’t believe such a bias exists is denying reality.


As I see it, the only way to cancel out the potential for corrupting the process caused by this subtle bias is for the posts to be shown without the posters' names attached.


I know that in essay contests I’ve been involved with, the judges don’t get to see the names of the authors,

because of the possibility that a judge might know an author of one of the submittals.


It would seem to make sense that such a policy be employed here.


I don’t know if it’s possible to have the posts put up in an anonymous manner,

but if it is do-able,

I think the Mods should seriously consider showing the posts without the posters names attached.


Otherwise, this whole exercise may well begin to take on the appearance of a popularity contest.

[bayoubill]

Another suggestion:


Limit the weekly contest to the first ten (10) persons who put up a valid Op/Ed piece.


This would eliminate the burden on the Mods to come up with finalists,

and would also eliminate questions among the members

regarding the method by which the Mods came up with the finalists.


Also, it would leaven the burden on conscientious but time-constrained members

who barely have time to read and thoughtfully digest ten (10) Op/Ed pieces, much less more than that.


The Mods would, of course, retain the welcome power to take out any obvious garbage posts.

(Such garbage posts could be gathered in a separate sub-forum for the members’ perusal,

to further submarine any questions regarding the Mods’ judgement on this issue.)


Any member who might miss the 10-piece cutoff could of course save his or her piece and submit it the following week, or later.


IMHO, I truly believe this idea has merit.

[Fire Watch]

You're right. I'll shut the damned thing down since it's just going to be something to whine and wring your hands over.

This will be the last week for the OP-ED forum.

[bayoubill]

You're right. I'll shut the damned thing down since it's just going to be something to whine and wring your hands over.

This will be the last week for the OP-ED forum.


Are you really that bothered by what I posted, Rick?


Are you serious?


Do you consider what I wrote whining and hand-ringing?


I spent alot of time to put that post together,

and meant it as a thoughtful suggestion

to try to help make a good thing better.


Did you even bother to take time to consider what I wrote?

[bayoubill]

Rick, your original idea is an excellent one...


don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Dancer]

You're right. I'll shut the damned thing down since it's just going to be something to whine and wring your hands over.

This will be the last week for the OP-ED forum.Please do not shut down the Op Ed forum. I think bayoubill was simply brainstorming suggestions in the hopes of improving on a fantastic idea.

[Meriweather]

You're right. I'll shut the damned thing down since it's just going to be something to whine and wring your hands over.

This will be the last week for the OP-ED forum.

I hope you don't mean this.

I've been thinking over bayoubill recommendation regarding anonymous posters. It doesn't apply as much to me because most who post here don't post where I post, and I don't know them anyway.

Even if I did know them, and for those who do, this forum is what we make of it. If we make it a popularity contest, then that's what it will be. However, I believe there are enough who have enough respect for its intent, that it will rise above any popularity contest.

The only vote I make is not to close down the forum. I like coming here and reading all the op ed pieces.

[spinach]

You're right. I'll shut the damned thing down since it's just going to be something to whine and wring your hands over.

This will be the last week for the OP-ED forum.


nah, don't do that.
it's a really great idea.

every new idea always has some tweaks and adjustments that eventually come along.

I'm happy just to post op-eds-
and don't give a hoot about the voting.
the idea for me, is to just inspire folks- and not have a thread polluted by morons.

I give this idea a resounding 10.

don't give in, man.

this is a great idea.
let it ride!


FW, good guys wear white hats, and never quit.
Don't quit just because a bunch of yahoos [this yahoo too ]are giving ya guff.

:)

[spinach]

I went back and pruned all negative comments from my posts.
this is supposed to be fun and positive.

I call on my fellow posters here to edit the negative stuff out-
and give FW some credit and some slack here.

How often do we get a new forum??
let's make the most of this one.

agreed?

[Databyter]

Good Morning

Someone mentioned that I could go to CP in the top left to set the options, but alas I get a message that I am not authorized to go into those areas yet.

Also I just joined the forum yesterday, saw this great thread and jotted down some thoughts in an Op Ed style before I went to work but I did not actually read the instructions and rules until this morning after work.

I took the liberty of doing some minor editing my Op Ed submision for spelling and grammer as it was sort of stream of consciousness and I left out a few "a's" and "I''s"

I also took the liberty of putting in a Coda of several sentences to update my post to consider the last weeks, since my idea was a post on Bush's Legacy and the last week will certainly affect that in a big way.

However I am done and will not edit it again, not will I submit an unfinished post just because I'm in a hurry.

Reading the rules sort of sobered me up. I wasn't thinking competition or polish, I was thinking Man, I've got a place to get all these ideas and thoughts off my chest with an audience of readers who actually might understand and appreciate my passion.

EDIT: Oh yea, my vote is this is a great thread. I hope it remains. Giving the hard working moderator lip rather than civilized messages is just asking to be banned. It seems that the rest of the folks here are pretty reasonable, of course I just fell off the turnip truck around here so what do I know?

[CID_0687]

You're right. I'll shut the damned thing down since it's just going to be something to whine and wring your hands over.

This will be the last week for the OP-ED forum.
Ahh, say it ain't so Jo, er I mean Rick....

This thing is great. Everything has it's flaws in the beginning...well almost everything, there is that whole God creating the world thing, and it was perfect at the get go...went south afterwards...but that's not the point...

Come on man, it's just gonna take a little time to get the bugs worked out, but this is a great idea.

[RayMan]

Ahh, say it ain't so Jo, er I mean Rick....

This thing is great. Everything has it's flaws in the beginning...well almost everything, there is that whole God creating the world thing, and it was perfect at the get go...went south afterwards...but that's not the point...

Come on man, it's just gonna take a little time to get the bugs worked out, but this is a great idea.


Or the mods could lock everyone but you and me out of this forum thereby ensuring the very highest level of Op-Ed postings week after week. :clap:

[Stuball]

I will probably not submit an entry but I do like reading them
The only thing that bothers me are people that come here just to do an OP Ed
And I am not saying it because the one timers ALL seem to post Anti Obama Rants:doh:

[Fire Watch]

Rick, your original idea is an excellent one...


don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
The issue isnt the baby, or the bathwater. It's those ****ing in the bathwater...you know..the ones complaining that have yet to even contribute. Kinda like bitching about the President and Congress when you couldnt be bothered to vote in the election.

[CID_0687]

Or the mods could lock everyone but you and me out of this forum thereby ensuring the very highest level of Op-Ed postings week after week. :clap:
I second.

[spinach]

The issue isnt the baby, or the bathwater. It's those ****ing in the bathwater...you know..the ones complaining that have yet to even contribute. Kinda like bitching about the President and Congress when you couldnt be bothered to vote in the election.


well....let the good hard work here drown out the static....
:flag:

[CMike11]

The issue isnt the baby, or the bathwater. It's those ****ing in the bathwater...you know..the ones complaining that have yet to even contribute. Kinda like bitching about the President and Congress when you couldnt be bothered to vote in the election.

The problem here is everyone needs to realize that I am right :))

[bayoubill]

Please do not shut down the Op Ed forum. I think bayoubill was simply brainstorming suggestions in the hopes of improving on a fantastic idea.


Yep. That was my only intention.


I offered my observations and suggestions with a positive spirit.


Apparently, though, my attempts at being helpful were misconstrued.


Maybe it's the wording I used?

I thought I had written my posts carefully enough

so that they would come across in a positive light,

but I guess I was wrong.


To Rick and anyone else who may have been annoyed by my posts, I sincerely apologize.



And Rick... thanks for the great job you're doing.

[CMike11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9Jyz82Ps

[CMike11]

Fire Watch I have a suggestion.

I think the prize each week should be two first class round trip tickets to Cancun, including hotel and meals.

What do you think?

[Fire Watch]

Congrats to Spinach. Week two winner.

[kentls]

Were you not at one time a "one timer" or a first timer? Lighten up, already. By the way, I do not see how you could possibly characterize my Op Ed post a rant. Gee Stuball, this is now my 3rd post---am I okay in your eys now?!

[ERJohnson]

FW,
Please feel free to move "A Bridge in Nowhere" into a discussion forum.

Thanks

[tims1chap]

Why is no one really questioning the numbers. Lets start with the top 5% of incomes, that is actually aroud 153k, Mr. Obama says he is going to raise the taxes of the top 5% which he is stating is 250k. How come no one is questioning the math? This group already pays 60 to 70 percent of all taxes, and the bottom 30% pay nothing. Please have someone do the real math.

[spinach]

Congrats to Spinach. Week two winner.


thanks.
And I won't be participating this week, because i read 'twinhearts' OP-ED and nominate it to be the winner, whenever you get a poll question going.

For me to participate, I would be attempting to beat a post that I am confident cannot be beaten.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=972191


oh, and send my prior threads to wherever.

[CMike11]

Fire Watch what do I do if I want to write a rebuttal?

[twinheart]

spinach - thanks so very much - that means more than you know -

*blushes furiously* -

[spinach]

spinach - thanks so very much - that means more than you know -

*blushes furiously* -

no need to blush.
you scored an ace, the way I see it.
no matter what, that op-ed wins in my book.

but in any case, you are very welcome.
keep up the good work.
:)

[Lee Kington]

I am sorry, would someone please explain, I am new here, do not want to do anything wrong but my first message was deleted saying, "This message has been deleted by Lee Kington (http://forums.hannity.com/member.php?u=2842). Reason: "This is NOT the forum for political discussion"

The majority of comments I have read on this forum are political and my comment was 'my' point of view so why was it deleted?






Read the ANNOUNCEMENT above the OP-ED board...
http://forums.hannity.com/announcement.php?f=81&a=121

Specifically ...
Each submission will need to be made as a new thread. THESE THREADS AND SUBMISSIONS ARE NOT DEBATE/DISCUSSION THREADS. Each thread is in and of itself, a submission for consideration for Hannity Forums Op-Ed of the week.

Again, this sub-forum is NOT a debate/discussion forum. Any threads/posts that are not submissions for Hannity Forums Op-Ed of the week will be moved/deleted at the discretion of the Moderators.

[Cav Scout]

Firewatch, could you please move my op ed to the education forum and open it for discussion?

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=948161

Thanks in advance.

[cbut1]

Ok I posted my first OP-Ed

I hope you enjoy.

[blazer]

It is great!:)

[ERJohnson]

Firewatch, could you please move my op ed to the WP forum and open it for discussion?

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=938831

Thanks.

[MrCapitalism]

This week has clearly been won by kentls.

[blazer]

when can we vote for this week?

[cbut1]

when can we vote for this week?

I believe Firewatch said after 6 p.m. tonight.

[blazer]

Okay, I will check back then!

[Fire Watch]

There's a nomination thread now open.

[spinach]

Congrats to twinheart!
:)

Now that I have a shot again, I'll submit something this week.
:))

[stafford22a]

See attachment.

[twinheart]

wow!! thanks so much to all!!- I am very honored, and Spinach, I can't wait to read what you write -

this forum and these op-ed pieces are a fabulous way to make your voice heard. There are so many talented writers here and their views are presented with passion and courage. Never let anyone take that away from us.

Again, thanks so very much, and congrats to everyone who voiced that which is in their hearts - that is the true strength of the USA - it's people -

and Spinach - *kiss* thanks again!!

[spinach]

wow!! thanks so much to all!!- I am very honored, and Spinach, I can't wait to read what you write -

this forum and these op-ed pieces are a fabulous way to make your voice heard. There are so many talented writers here and their views are presented with passion and courage. Never let anyone take that away from us.

Again, thanks so very much, and congrats to everyone who voiced that which is in their hearts - that is the true strength of the USA - it's people -

and Spinach - *kiss* thanks again!!

:redface:

hey, just bein' honest.
:)

[cbut1]

As a friendly reminder the OP-EDs are not for debate until they are moved to another location.

[spinach]

As a friendly reminder the OP-EDs are not for debate until they are moved to another location.

yep.
they are supposed to stand alone, so they don't get muddled with a bunch of posts.

Folks need to check out the rules here.
So far, FW has been really nice about running this.
Please obey the rules people, and don't get this place shut down.

This is the one forum where things actually "click" with minimal crap.
:flag:

[cbut1]

FireWatch would you kindly move my Op-Ed "The 1 Million Dollar Solution" to the proper forum for debate. I think the Economy Forum is probably the right one.

[paulbenedict]

Congrats Twinheart,

And kudos to all whose blog had a quote about Marx (not Groucho) or "spreading the wealth" in their pieces. Perhaps the latest Biden debacle was just a coincidence, but when was the last time anyone heard Karl Marx in a question asked by anyone in the media? They might not have heard of him until we brought it up.

[spinach]

I've read the entries for this week

and two of them are my nominations for best

"In the words of a famous man"

and

"Keep America strong"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

there are so many fine ones out there it was tough to choose.
And since I don't have any burning issue at hand to rant about, I'll pass for now....on writing one myself.

[lsterling]

Why, when I put my op-ed in, did it go to "previous submissions?"

[MrCapitalism]

boofreakinyeah is the clear winner this week.

[JenT]

boofreakinyeah is the clear winner this week.

Not so fast, I think igorb is with "About Socialism"

When and where do we nominate posts?

[Meriweather]

Not so fast, I think igorb is with "About Socialism"

When and where do we nominate posts?

Fire Watch will set up a "Nominate This Week's Finalist" thread.

Last week, he set the nomination thread up on Friday...I'm trying to remember if sometimes it happens late Thursday? But that should give you a ballpark time to check back here.

[JenT]

Fire Watch will set up a "Nominate This Week's Finalist" thread.

Last week, he set the nomination thread up on Friday...I'm trying to remember if sometimes it happens late Thursday? But that should give you a ballpark time to check back here.

Thanks Meri! Seeing you reminded me and I just went looking, even in previous submissions, have you written one? (hopeful look)

While I was looking, I came across "The Obama Welfare Nation - Belly Up to the Bar" that one was really good but it was in a previous week.

[cbut1]

I think the poster of the Catholics in Electorial Chaos has misunderstood the point of this Op-Ed forum. It appears that he has posted someone else's work instead of his own original; that is of coarse unless he is the author listed at the top.

[Cav Scout]

I think the poster of the Catholics in Electorial Chaos has misunderstood the point of this Op-Ed forum. It appears that he has posted someone else's work instead of his own original; that is of coarse unless he is the author listed at the top.

That is rather telling isn't it!

[Cav Scout]

It apears we have had another influx of people who do not understand what this forum is for...LOL

[mboncher]

I have only one minor complaint. Yes we get some interesting points, but because they don't instantly lock, I keep posting to them in response. The instant I realize that I have commented to the wrong place, I delete it. Is there any sort of autolocking we can add here? Or move this forum to another location on the list so it's not as easily mistaken for a valid peanut comment collector?

Thanks for listening.

[dmcowen674]

It's long past time to take back America's airwaves from the radical righties. The frequencies belong to the people, not Murdock and the rest of the Republican corporations that control puppets like Hannity, Rush, Ingram, Savage et al.

Now that their nearly decade dominance and destructive reign over this country is over they must be yanked off the air.

[cbut1]

Again people need to read the rules on this forum because they keep trying to make it as common as the other forums. One OP-ED post, no commentary by us the peanut gallery.

[Mr. M]

Again people need to read the rules on this forum because they keep trying to make it as common as the other forums. One OP-ED post, no commentary by us the peanut gallery.

There is a new thread in town, C. The Common Ground thread is meant to be used for more "erudite" discussion. FW suggested this might be the best place to put it since the forum is known to be heavily moderated.


Something of a pilot program, if you will.

[Meriweather]

There is a new thread in town, C. The Common Ground thread is meant to be used for more "erudite" discussion. FW suggested this might be the best place to put it since the forum is known to be heavily moderated.


Something of a pilot program, if you will.

Okay, that's interesting. Is the Op-Eds Forum transitioning, or did Fire Watch mean that each interested person submit his/her own Op-Ed piece to stand alone according to the original intent here?

[Mr. M]

Okay, that's interesting. Is the Op-Eds Forum transitioning, or did Fire Watch mean that each interested person submit his/her own Op-Ed piece to stand alone according to the original intent here?


I don't think there's any intent to change the overall format of the forum. It's just an opportunity to give the thread a chance to get off the ground in an atmosphere conducive to civil discourse where a moderator wouldn't have to do extra duty policing it.

[cbut1]

Firewatch when did the nominations take place this week?

[twinheart]

great choices for winners, firewatch - I could not agree more - it does my heart good to know that I am not alone in my thoughts - may we all not be alone in our actions as well -

[Meriweather]

One great choice; one choice okay.

[twinheart]

I will be away on vacation from this Thursday till next, so if no one minds, and Firewatch says it is okay, I would like to cast my vote a bit early for Constantine - what a powerful, on-point op-ed - well written!!

good luck to all - I am honored to be in your company -

[Justice]

I haven't been on for some time, but the op/ed forum was a nice surprise. The entries I've read so far have been quite interesting and many quite passionate.

I see some of my favorite posters here (that part is not a surprise).

A round of applause for those who have participated. Can't wait to read more...

[BasicGreatGuy]

I haven't been on for some time, but the op/ed forum was a nice surprise. The entries I've read so far have been quite interesting and many quite passionate.

I see some of my favorite posters here (that part is not a surprise).

A round of applause for those who have participated. Can't wait to read more...

Good to see you Justice! :)

[Justice]

Good to see you Justice! :)

And you my friend!

[Cav Scout]

Constantine! You need to mail that Op-ed to every paper in the Nation and post it on every blog you can find!
Damn Fine Work!

[Constantine the Great]

Constantine! You need to mail that Op-ed to every paper in the Nation and post it on every blog you can find!
Damn Fine Work!

Thank you. I am going to. Also thinking about making that my starting page on a new 527 organization.

[Justice]

Constantine! You need to mail that Op-ed to every paper in the Nation and post it on every blog you can find!
Damn Fine Work!

Indeed. :clap:

Great read, Constantine.

[johnwk]

Thanks. Now get to writting your submission!

How does my entry become a submission?

JWK

[Constantine the Great]

Thanks to everyone who voted to get mine chosen. Much appreciated and actually quite humbling.

[spinach]

Thanks to everyone who voted to get mine chosen. Much appreciated and actually quite humbling.


I just read it.
Pretty awesome. Just enough acid humor to get the point across and make a deep cut.

:flag:

[Fire Watch]

Dont panic..the winning threads havent disappeared. I created a new sub-forum specifically for them. Give the DB's a few hours to resync and you'll be able to view the new sub-forum.

[spinach]

Dont panic..the winning threads havent disappeared. I created a new sub-forum specifically for them. Give the DB's a few hours to resync and you'll be able to view the new sub-forum.


moving back from DEFCON 1......to DEFCON 5
that was close....


:))

[USMCmom]

These op-eds pieces are amazing...as an avid reader, I would much rather sit here and read than go buy a book! I am in awe of how many amazing writers there are in this forum, please keep up the good work as I truly look forward to reading them!

[Rhonda]

I want to nominate Cav Scouts latest op-ed, and will as soon as a thread is created for the next nomination

I felt his heart in it

[Adlerian Thinker]

Well written, Cav Scout!

Who knew a horse man could write? :))

[Cav Scout]

Well written, Cav Scout!

Who knew a horse man could write? :))

I had the horse write...:shhh:

[Adlerian Thinker]

I had the horse write...:shhh:

:))

That's quite a horse. I like horses.

Especially those that can write well. ;)

[cbut1]

Ok I just read Russ Alans op-ed and have to say this about it.

What? The example is such an oversimplified example and is in know way reflective of America as a whole.

As a Manager myself with 80 persons directly reporting to me and another 350 on the same work floor as I, I know a little about production and management. If the numbers are not reached that are expected then the first thing I do is determine if I placed the right people in the right jobs, or clearly trained them on the tasks given, or analyze weather the goals are actually attainable. As a manager I take personal responsability for the failure of my dept, passing the buck is not leadership, failures are most often (when properly learned from) preceding great successes. I know that this is not just reflective of me alone but it is the nature of many in managment positions for I learned it from others by their leadership.

Now granted there are bad managers out there heck for proof of that just look to our government the people who are supposed to manage the nations affairs but average common Americans and common American business are not productive in the manner your op-ed implys.

[Cav Scout]

After Reading Russ's piece, there are some things that ring true with that and some that are fluff.
IMO, these are some places I disagree, one manger and leader are not synonymous and should not be ever used in the same sentance unless one is describing the differences.
Two I do agree on a "business management degree". That is a pretty lame degree.
One does not "manage" people, one leads them. One manages things like time, money, ebb and flow of production. Properly led people will 'manage' your business for you.

[cbut1]

After Reading Russ's piece, there are some things that ring true with that and some that are fluff.
IMO, these are some places I disagree, one manger and leader are not synonymous and should not be ever used in the same sentance unless one is describing the differences.
Two I do agree on a "business management degree". That is a pretty lame degree.
One does not "manage" people, one leads them. One manages things like time, money, ebb and flow of production. Properly led people will 'manage' your business for you.

Cav I can agree with you here and should have thought to make the same distinction with Leadership and Management.

[Cav Scout]

Cav I can agree with you here and should have thought to make the same distinction with Leadership and Management.

Thanks. I also agree with you that the example given was over simplistic. Running any operation is not near as simple as one would think.

[Cav Scout]

Very well put drob.

[cbut1]

I would contend against a couple minor points but overall I find Dr Bobs Op-Ed very comfortable to read.

[cbut1]

Although Twinhearts "Remember the Cheering" is a sobering and yet uplifting piece of work Good Job.

[twinheart]

thank you cbut - much appreciated!!

[Mikko]

I must say when I first read the concept posted by Firewatch I was thinking; ya'll be crazy in the head. :shifty:


I must say now that I have read the first series of posts. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


A brilliant idea and to those whom have posted so far Excellent.
Interesting.

[cbut1]

Interesting.

How so?

[C_Farer]

I'm impressed with the submissions so far. Hopefully some of the libs, independents, ect will participate.

I'm an independent who tends to lean to the right, and who also enjoys getting up on my soapbox every now and then and giving a good rant towards anyone who can take more than one paragraph. Other people can say the same thing as myself in a sentence or two, and I envy them because I can't seem to do it! (I've already gone thru two keyboards because I wore off the letters!...not that I need to see them, but people using my computer complained about missing letters. I've only worn off 4 letters on this new one, and part of two others. I'm doin' great!)

Oh...did I go on too long...again? :redface:

[george kaplan]

There's no need for it to be a sticky. As the only unlocked thread in the forum..it'll naturally stay up top.

So much for this idea ... this is one of four unlocked threads right now.... :)

[Meriweather]

So much for this idea ... this is one of four unlocked threads right now.... :)

and from your thread over in TTTM

The op-ed section is too confusing. It isn't clear which article is the current week's winner. It isn't clear which article is up for consideration. It isn't clear how the winner is chosen and it isn't clear at all how a rebuttal can be written and submitted, i.e., if I want to write a rebuttal to the current winner's article, who is supposed to select me as the representative of the opposition? How do I inform this unknown group of people I wish to write an article? How do I identify the members of this group??

My suggestions:

1. Attach a poll to the top of the articles under consideration with the poll closing at the end of the voting period;
2. Amend the title of winning articles to include some sort of indication as to what week that article belongs;
3. Rewrite the rules post for clarity.

This is a good idea but I just wanted to say I don't really read the articles because I can't even tell which one is the current winner and who the heck decided it was the winner.


Thanks.

I'll see if I can start you out with some of your questions. It doesn't seem confusing to me, but then I've been in and out of it since its inception.

"This Week's Winner" is the sticky just below the Announcement: Hannity Forum OpEd Purpose/Rules for Participation.

Have you read this announcement? It seems some of your questions are addressed in it.

Usually on Thursday or Friday of each week, Fire Watch will start a thread asking people to select the OpEd they like best.

If you want to write an "rebuttal" that would be your own OpEd, and you would start your own thread with your OpEd. (Remember, these are not discussion threads.)

You don't have to inform anyone that you have written an OpEd. For example, I am interested in reading all the OpEds, so I make it my responsibility to keep an eye on new submissions. If you wish, PM people that you have written one, but that is certainly not necessary.

We don't have have opposition groups--or leaders thereof. We just have OpEds. Any member is welcome to write and submit one.

My suggestion would be for you to write an OpEd or two, watch this Forum for a couple of weeks or so to see how it works. I am betting you will have a "Ah-ha!" moment once you see how simple it truly is.

So, what are you waiting for!? Open a new thread and get to writing! Fire Watch will be along to lock your thread so discussion doesn't take place. Thursday or Friday, he may ask people to help select the week's winner. Have fun and good luck.

[george kaplan]

and from your thread over in TTTM



I'll see if I can start you out with some of your questions. It doesn't seem confusing to me, but then I've been in and out of it since its inception.

"This Week's Winner" is the sticky just below the Announcement: Hannity Forum OpEd Purpose/Rules for Participation.

Have you read this announcement? It seems some of your questions are addressed in it.

Usually on Thursday or Friday of each week, Fire Watch will start a thread asking people to select the OpEd they like best.

If you want to write an "rebuttal" that would be your own OpEd, and you would start your own thread with your OpEd. (Remember, these are not discussion threads.)

You don't have to inform anyone that you have written an OpEd. For example, I am interested in reading all the OpEds, so I make it my responsibility to keep an eye on new submissions. If you wish, PM people that you have written one, but that is certainly not necessary.

We don't have have opposition groups--or leaders thereof. We just have OpEds. Any member is welcome to write and submit one.

My suggestion would be for you to write an OpEd or two, watch this Forum for a couple of weeks or so to see how it works. I am betting you will have a "Ah-ha!" moment once you see how simple it truly is.

So, what are you waiting for!? Open a new thread and get to writing! Fire Watch will be along to lock your thread so discussion doesn't take place. Thursday or Friday, he may ask people to help select the week's winner. Have fun and good luck.

1. Thanks for your response.

2. I'm not stupid. Of course I read the message -- did you read mine? None of the questions I asked are answered in the post you mention.

3. Let me pose some questions here and see if you can give me some answers:

a) "Every week, ONE submission will be chosen as the Op-Ed of the week." Chosen by whom?
b) "Those of the opposing ideology (if a conservative thread wins, a liberal rebuttal, and vice versa) will then be given an opportunity to chose from their members, ONE poster to write a rebuttal to the winning submission." Who are these members? What is the method these members use to select ONE poster to write a rebuttal?
c) Why are there multiple threads in the Hannity Forum Op-Eds forum? Are the non-stickied threads those from the same batch as the one from which the winner was chosen? Are they new ones?
d) Why is the "Common Ground" thread not locked when I see three others that are? I understand submissions are locked as soon as possible, but "Common Ground" is neither a submission nor locked. Why is it in this forum?

I was just sharing some thoughts on the Op-Ed thing. It's a good idea, but it isn't very user friendly.

[Fire Watch]

a) "Every week, ONE submission will be chosen as the Op-Ed of the week." Chosen by whom?
Every week a "nomination" thread is opened by me. The winner is the one receiving the most nominations.


b) "Those of the opposing ideology (if a conservative thread wins, a liberal rebuttal, and vice versa) will then be given an opportunity to chose from their members, ONE poster to write a rebuttal to the winning submission." Who are these members? What is the method these members use to select ONE poster to write a rebuttal?
You are all members..if you're a conservative, well by golly you're in the conservative member group. No one has ever elected to submit a rebuttal.



c) Why are there multiple threads in the Hannity Forum Op-Eds forum? Are the non-stickied threads those from the same batch as the one from which the winner was chosen? Are they new ones?
Those are the current weeks submissions. The submissions from the previous weeks, including the week from which the current winner was chosen have been moved to..wait for it....
Previous Submissions (http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=91)


d) Why is the "Common Ground" thread not locked when I see three others that are? I understand submissions are locked as soon as possible, but "Common Ground" is neither a submission nor locked. Why is it in this forum?
There's a conversation in this thread or the Common Ground thread regarding that thread. I gave Mr. M permission to start that thread in this sub-forum.

I was just sharing some thoughts on the Op-Ed thing. It's a good idea, but it isn't very user friendly.
I believe it to be very user friendly..all the questions you've asked could be answered by just taking a look around the forum.

[george kaplan]

Thanks for your detailed response.

Yes, I could have spent some time looking around and figuring things out but, by the same token, all those questions and the one below could have easily been answered in the Announcement (or an FAQ section in the announcement).

For instance: When is the nomination thread you mentioned posted? Every Monday? Wednesday? Friday?

Maybe adding an FAQ at the bottom of the announcement might make things clearer for the casual peruser of the forums who might find himself in the same situation I was in earlier.

Just a thought. Thanks again.

[CID_0687]

It's every Friday

[george kaplan]

thanks.

[cbut1]

Firewatch I was wondering if Mr. Hannity is informed of the Op-Eds or at least the winners?

[Fire Watch]

Firewatch I was wondering if Mr. Hannity is informed of the Op-Eds or at least the winners?
He's well aware of what goes on here.

[cbut1]

He's well aware of what goes on here.


Cool

Tell him hello for me. :D

[Fire Watch]

In all likelihood..you just said it to him yourself.

[nortman]

In all likelihood..you just said it to him yourself.

It's nice to know that Mr. Hannity is well aware of all of the brilliant minds at work here........................as well as the people like me. :mrgreen:

[MoleculesRMe]

He's well aware of what goes on here.

Why hasn't he called me, then? :eh:

:))

[Fire Watch]

Why havent you called him?

[MoleculesRMe]

:redface:

:think:

I'd be "preaching to the choir."

[Fire Watch]

:)..so, you're wanting him to call and preach to you?

[MoleculesRMe]

:)..so, you're wanting him to call and preach to you?

Next time, I'll bring my wits to this battle. :boohoo:

[Fire Watch]

:)) 3 hours a day is all he asks.

[george kaplan]

So how do we vote? Or do we even vote or what? :think:

[cbut1]

So how do we vote? Or do we even vote or what? :think:

On Friday afternoon usually. Firewatch will put a thread up to make this weeks nominations. You will then make your pick for the best OP-ED of the week. Others will either agree with your pick or make a nomination of their own.

The result will be known usually by Saturday afternoon.

[nortman]

On Friday afternoon usually. Firewatch will put a thread up to make this weeks nominations. You will then make your pick for the best OP-ED of the week. Others will either agree with your pick or make a nomination of their own.

The result will be known usually by Saturday afternoon.

I promise to make sure that you get some pork projects sent to your home area if you vote for me. Yup, bring home the bacon, vote for nortman..............oops, channeling our local congressman.

[george kaplan]

On Friday afternoon usually. Firewatch will put a thread up to make this weeks nominations. You will then make your pick for the best OP-ED of the week. Others will either agree with your pick or make a nomination of their own.

The result will be known usually by Saturday afternoon.

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out.

[cbut1]

I promise to make sure that you get some pork projects sent to your home area if you vote for me. Yup, bring home the bacon, vote for nortman..............oops, channeling our local congressman.



:))

[cbut1]

Yahoo it took 3 tries so far and I got the win this week. Thank you all for your appreciation of a simple mans perspective.

[Slartibartfast]

God bless Sean Hannity...

[spinach]

bump to remove foul thread from the top

[cbut1]

It is sad that some people are idiots on purpose.

[dav]

Look he OBAMA was chosen for you before you cast the first ballot.
every one here needs some history lessons on The Shadow Gov Great Britten,Germany, Zionism and the Rothchild's then you will know how much corruption exist in the Washington DC !!

and please don't take my word for it do your own research !!:pray:
I just want to help educate everyone I can. cant trust the media they are owned too!!!:mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8wOEnBHNl4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmujttc0oJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbuoH1g_jYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dsqWD6w8os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdfjsS9Wqk8

[cbut1]

Nice one Robertneal

[ROBERTENEAL]

Nice one Robertneal

Thank you.

Your "Liberty" OP is an interesting one as well. The Woodrow Wilson quotes are thought provoking.

For me, it is difficult to evaluate President Wilson, a smart man who seems to have been conservative in some ways and very liberal in others. He knew the dangers of big government, but the things he did to enlarge the government impact us to this day.

Wilson was a man who was president during a turbulent time of enormous change, and he eventually wrecked his own health by pursuing the dreams he had for this country and for the world. If nothing else, he was sincere and dedicated.

[cbut1]

Thank you.

Your "Liberty" OP is an interesting one as well. The Woodrow Wilson quotes are thought provoking.

For me, it is difficult to evaluate President Wilson, a smart man who seems to have been conservative in some ways and very liberal in others. He knew the dangers of big government, but the things he did to enlarge the government impact us to this day.

Wilson was a man who was president during a turbulent time of enormous change, and he eventually wrecked his own health by pursuing the dreams he had for this country and for the world. If nothing else, he was sincere and dedicated.

This is my second in a series of Liberty articles I am working on. It seems that many in our nation has forgotten what cost of Liberty has been paid for our freedoms so I am trying to do my part to help remind us.

[cbut1]

It appears that some folks have not read the rules for posting in the OP-ED section again. I wonder if they have ever heard the phrase, "be slow to speak and quick to hear".

[ROBERTENEAL]

I am grateful for the consideration that my OP-ED received.

The other OP-EDs were well researched and it was obvious that a lot of thought went into all of them. I was surprised that the OP I submitted ("America - our history vs. our ideology) was chosen as the winner.

Thank you.

[ROBERTENEAL]

Thanks again for the consideration.
I think that FederalistBlog's OP about fixing AIG without the government has a theme that goes along with my thoughts. My OP was about a grass roots effort to overhaul government, Federalist Blog's ideas are about a grassroots effort to overhaul the financial sector.
The Malcontent is always real good, too; as are the others.

[Bluesgtr44]

Who are we trying fool here.....



We knew we had a bubble. We knew the bubble was B.S. and that the markets didn't really support the escalated values of the homes in primarily 4-5 States. So, when the time came to pay the piper and try to keep the "big lie" going, they ran out of "consumers" willing to buy into the next level of this scheme. It was then that the payments stopped, the banks called for their "coverage"....and the money wasn't there to cover all of this so called "toxic asset". So, it appears as though the plan failed and the insurance that was purchased to cover things when and if the plan failed.....also failed, it couldn't deliver either....so, here we are as taxpayers, being expected to somehow pull this together and the main story is that it's really no ones fault? No laws were broken? Look, someone.....something.....somewhere has to eat this loss! And it looks like a toxic game of "hot potato" with other entities not wanting to have to absorb any of this so as to go on "business as usual" and just add it to the debt of the country as a whole. This is absolute rubbish!

The best plan is to let those chips fall where they should and would have fallen. If we are not even going to lay blame where it goes in those States were above and beyond the scope of the rest of the country, what's to stop this from happening again in another form? Not only is California tops on this list of "home values gone mad!" just look at their whole economy right now.....and it's not just because of this! If there was ever a time for economic restraint...California needs to wake up now. But, they won't as long they to, can be "rescued".

Ask ourselves this question.....How does this plan change anything to benefit us as a nation "long term"? I think it just sets us up for another disaster like this because we simply can't be honest about it and let things fall where they may. Will people get hurt? Yes they will....but remember, they bought into this home value crap too! Someone got that equity from the sale....someone just like us! I don't hear any screams to get that back...to, you know....make things more "fair".

We should not have even started in on this because when you open this up it just pushes off any responsibility as to who or what might be responsible for the debacle as a whole systematic failure. What we should be doing and should have done as a people, is stand up and take personal responsibility for our own actions through the standard means we have available to us....and that entails "personal" bankruptcy if needed....not "national" bankruptcy where it seems to make the statement that we ALL did this.....nothing could be further from the truth! We had legal recourse on a personal level and there are local and state governments that should be more involved in this as it pertains to THAT state. I am so sick of this national "one size fits all" mentality.


I took this from a previous post of mine. Thought it fit well here.....

[redvermonter]

I live in Vermont. I pretty sure I'm the last sane person left in this state. I've been forced into selling my house and trying to find a smaller house because of rising taxes( mostly due to 10-12% increases in education per year for about 12 years.). Even though student enrollment has been declining for the past ten years. My value of taxes owed to the local government that I live under is based on the Sq. Ft. of my house and constrution grading, not my income. I live a responsibe life and live within my means. I know the difference between wants and needs. For example the Obama Administration wants to take over financial insititutions. That's part of their agenda. What I think the current Administation needs to due is recognize that government intervention got us into this mess in the first place. I remember president Clinton's part. He made it easier for more underqualified people acess to home loans. It seems the country has a short memory. Vermont is the leading light of liberalism too come for the rest of the country. Come on up and see for your self.

[The Man is one!]

It's amazing that Hannity is promoting an attack on Washington! These banks, car companies are nothing more than crooks. Who gives a dam about AIG losing there best and It's obvious that they weren't that good. Don't take bailout money and file bankruptcy GM, Chyrsler!

[FreedomRanger]

April 2, 2009 at 10:15 pm

COMRADES!!!……….is GREAT DAY in PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF AMERIKA!!!!! We will soon have the Money the People need to make……Improvements. Thank you for your Cooperation……We will be back soon. COMMISAR GEITHNER has opened an account for your Money. SECRETARY POLOSI will now be Registrar of Voters. We Will be in touch. As you know, we always think of only the PEOPLE!!!!!


FreedomRanger

[IndyBec]

Bravo to RetiredBubblehead's thoughts on Selective Atheism!

[blazer]

Congratulations to this week's winner cbut1! :clap:

[Cletus Wilbury]

I'm guessing it might not be fair for me to repost articles I have posted previously elsewhere.

Is that specifically prohibited?


How about papers done in the distant past that was turned in for a history class. (I guessing that would be ok)

Can I turn in more than one article per week?

I didn't see these items discussed in the rules, but might have missed them.

[Matthew Quigley]

Response to Lawson Raider's op ed regarding a 3rd party winning the white house:

I was really glad to read your op ed. My wife and I have been discussing this very thing for the past several months. I believe the Republican party might very well be in its death throws. Over the past several years they have consistantly moved left to attract voters but have only succeeded in alienating their conservative base. Your proof of the gay marriage voting statistics is a sure sign that there are millions of conservatives out there that feel they do not have a voice. Want further proof? Tea Parties. These people feel that the gov't isn't listening. Well, they aren't. They are too obsorbed with the power structure and how to spend our money.

There are millions of conservatives out there that are fed up with the Republican party. How many posters on these boards have you heard say, "I am a conservative, not a Republican". I would put myself in that category must assuredly. the republican party is dying and I feel they don't even know it. The climate is right for a third party to step up and take over where the republicans have failed.

I have no idea which party it might be, but one thing is for sure. If the democrats don't pay attention, they will lose the next several elections, and lose huge.

[samsaysit]

Mr. Quigley; Unfortunately, I must disagree with your last thought that the Dems are going to lose the next election and big. Unless all of us who know what they are about and most importantly this President and this particular Congress and begin to gear up now and press the issues within the Republican party and get them back to the Party of Reagan and true conservative ideals, no third party can be formed in time for the 2010 or realisitically by 2012 to be strong enough to defeat these media propped up charlatans.

So, while a third party sounds good in reality we don't need a third party we just need the Republican party to overcome its' current state and begin to lead the Nation away from this group of usurpers and destroyers of the American ideal.

[SnowSquirrel]

So, while a third party sounds good in reality we don't need a third party we just need the Republican party to overcome its' current state and begin to lead the Nation away from this group of usurpers and destroyers of the American ideal.
Although it'd be simpler to restore the Republican Party, I'm not confident that that can be done. What would you say to working for the GOP until 2012, and if it tilts towards another "moderate" presidential candidate, staging a walk-out at the convention and starting a new "Freedom" or "Conservative" or whatever party then?

[spinach]

Man there are a ton of submissions this week.
Hope I can get a chance to read them all before there's a vote!!
:)

great job, participants.
Get the typing fingers moving!

[spinach]

Oh I see why....
the winner hasn't been picked for last week.

Lemme pick one to nominate.

[Fire Watch]

I was on vacation and let it linger.

[spinach]

Last Week:

they were all so very good.

I liked "perilous times and barbarous acts" the best.

hopefully some more folks will chime in.

~~~~~~~~~~~
As I am participating in this weeks contest.....I will sit mum for this weeks.
:))

[spinach]

congrats to Alan.

His OPED rocks, and makes an EXCELLENT point.
Maybe Sean can use it on his show.

[cbut1]

It would be nice if they made that part of the reward for the weekly winner. To take average Americans like us and have a format to where our voices get public notice would truely be revolutionary.

[Bookgirl2]

Why is it that we are not seeing any real people on Hannity? I mean people like Joe the Plumber . We own 3 businesses through a ton of hard work and honesty and may not make it because of banks not lending the money. Banks are not giving loans, the housing problem has not been fixed and this is a major problem in the US. Interest rates are now going up and taxes. Incredible......What is going to happen when inflation hits?

[spinach]

Why is it that we are not seeing any real people on Hannity? I mean people like Joe the Plumber . We own 3 businesses through a ton of hard work and honesty and may not make it because of banks not lending the money. Banks are not giving loans, the housing problem has not been fixed and this is a major problem in the US. Interest rates are now going up and taxes. Incredible......What is going to happen when inflation hits?


the USA is headed for a credit dry-up.
the banks aren't lending for two main reasons:

1. they have toxic assets out the wazoo, and need every penny they can get, in liquidity.
2. they cannot take risks on loans in a downturn, because the rate of defaults is too high.

It's great that you have three businesses- all thru hard work. It would be wise to do what you can to get away from needing credit. This may mean you take a severe financial hit. Your goal should really be basic survival, not to try to make a mint.

The current mess in the USA hasn't really hit full force yet. You will see it about mid august. Prepare yourself. Expect incredibly horrible business conditions, I am not joking one bit. Plan for a severe depression type scenario. Stock up on canned goods, get a bunker, and load up on guns and ammo. You won't regret it.

[SnowSquirrel]

It would be nice if they made that part of the reward for the weekly winner. To take average Americans like us and have a format to where our voices get public notice would truely be revolutionary.
Does Mr. Hannity read any of the winners' articles? It'd be rewarding if he did.

[Fire Watch]

Does Mr. Hannity read any of the winners' articles? It'd be rewarding if he did.
He does. I've discussed several of the entries and winners with him personally on the phone.

[spinach]

He does. I've discussed several of the entries and winners with him personally on the phone.


man, that is ultra cool.
:)

[The_Revisionist]

Mir Hussein Mousavi was the one person responsible in getting the Nuclear Reactor program going in Iran. That should tell all of you something.

[El Cid 83]

Why is it that we are not seeing any real people on Hannity? I mean people like Joe the Plumber . We own 3 businesses through a ton of hard work and honesty and may not make it because of banks not lending the money. Banks are not giving loans, the housing problem has not been fixed and this is a major problem in the US. Interest rates are now going up and taxes. Incredible......What is going to happen when inflation hits?
Spinach made some valid points, but another reason credit is drying up is because there is no longer anything resembling the rule of law. When secured creditors are forced (by the President himself) to the back of the line who would give anyone credit? Oh, and when the SCOUTS decided those owning funds with those assets (Indiana teachers, cops and firefighters) didn't prove the SCOUTS should intervene doesn't help matters.

And his advice about canned goods and ammunition is sound. Good luck on finding ammo. There are a lot of us thinking the same way.

[simplyme]

Mir Hussein Mousavi was the one person responsible in getting the Nuclear Reactor program going in Iran. That should tell all of you something.

Who? Barack Husein Obama? Wait, he is now an open out of the closet hate filled Muslim who seeks harm for America? I figured it would be out sooner or later.

[Ingator]

Great one Curtis. Some how I missed it during the week. Congrats.

[Ferrari5k@gmail.com]

Everyone needs to check out The Appleseed Project and celebrate America's great and glorious history by becoming an American Rifleman through the program. These skills must be transfered through to future generations.

[spinach]

wow....I had a surprise winner this week....didn't think that one had a shot.
Thanks to all for supporting it--
and thanks mostly for READING it.

What's more, is its something I really do believe and see.

[MrCapitalism]

Matt's Op-Ed is pretty much the bestest thing I've ever read. I want to hug that entire Op-Ed like a big teddy bear.

[SnowSquirrel]

Re: "Must we be religious in order to be good?" by Rosalia:

Rosalia makes the case that for a believer in God, "a belief in Him must surely involve a belief that He is the source of morality." That's not quite true, though, because there's such broad variation in people's beliefs about the basic nature of God. For instance, if you're a Deist like Paine or Jefferson, morality is something that emerges from the basic rules of reality, or at least can only be understood by studying reality instead of looking to supernatural revelation. In that sort of belief system, morality either exists independently of God or is at least now out of God's hands, unless He feels like rewriting the laws of physics too. And what about polytheistic belief systems? A Hindu probably wouldn't say that any one god is the decider of morality.

The author also criticizes "The village atheists... convening summer camps in which they inculcate (indoctrinate?) their blind faith in His non-existence. In the name of freedom of thought they steer their audience in the direction of one conclusion only." Rosalia doesn't seem to understand why atheists don't believe, or the fact that their reasoning varies. One reason for atheism, for instance, is the case that we can only rely on evidence and logic for our beliefs, and that God is often defined in a way that can't be proven. To call that argument "blind faith" misses the point of it, since it's the rejection of faith. Also, is Rosalia saying that it's wrong for atheists to teach people that their beliefs are true, but that it's not wrong for Christians and other believers to do the same for their own beliefs?

Finally, Rosalia seems to conclude that atheists are all obedient to the arguments of Richard Dawkins (not true), and that it's "shabby" for them to claim that believers think they have a monopoly on morality. I don't quite follow the logic. It seems to be: "Atheists say that believers say, morality depends on religion. And atheists say some believers are jerks in the way they push their specific moral beliefs. But religion is never to blame for the fact that some believers are jerks, so to blame religion is always unfair. And believers believe that God is the source of morality, so believers really should say they have a monopoly on real morality."

[SnowSquirrel]

"Find a candidate that has the same philosophy as you and work to get that person elected to office. It doesn’t matter if it is for local, county, state or national office."

Although I like the overall goal and the attention given to the idea of fundamental rights, at this point the above advice seems like too little, too late. We've been trying to hold back the tide of unconstitutional government control for roughly a century or even longer, and the "let's just win the next election" strategy hasn't worked. Not even Reagan succeeded at shrinking the size and intrusiveness of the central government.

Reading this article reminds me of Glenn Beck's book, where it outlines a game plan for the conservative movement in terms of what sort of legislation to push. It's written as though the GOP had just swept to power with good conservative candidates and was now poised to start taking us back to Constitutional government. But that's not at all the case. We're about to get big new government programs -- illegal programs -- that for political reasons we'll never be able to eliminate through patient campaigning. We can't rely on regular political methods anymore! We need to look at what other peaceful options are available.

Be careful also not to make the mistake of saying that our rights come from the Constitution.

[spinach]

Wow...lots of OPEDs this time around

seems like there are more and more participants lately.
hats off to all!
:)

[SnowSquirrel]

"Do We Really Need Government Health Care? That's Not the Issue!" by DanMcMartin:
"While debating the merits of government health care, we miss the bigger picture. The Federal Government has no authority to get involved in health care and there is no right to health insurance or even medical care at all. Yep, just went and re-checked the Constitution. None of that’s there."
Right! Be sure to address the usual "interstate commerce" and "general welfare" arguments, though, by pointing out that those were never intended as massive, unlimited powers and that reading them that way destroys the point of the Constitution.

"The Approaching Storm" by Samsaysit:
"But, it does mean taking a stand and making our voices heard with the current leadership and to voting them out of office and from the positions of trust we have given them as the electorate. "
That hasn't worked for a century. Not even under Reagan. Reduction in government size: Negative. Not even under the "Republican Revolution" of 1994, so "extreme" that Gingrich got branded "The Gingrich That Stole Christmas". Actual federal spending cuts: around 1%, temporarily.

[spinach]

samsayit's thread "We the People" rocks.

I hope Sean reads that one on the air.
it would be GREAT.

and congrats!
:)

[jagreer37]

"Do We Really Need Government Health Care? That's Not the Issue!" by DanMcMartin:
"While debating the merits of government health care, we miss the bigger picture. The Federal Government has no authority to get involved in health care and there is no right to health insurance or even medical care at all. Yep, just went and re-checked the Constitution. None of that’s there."
Right! Be sure to address the usual "interstate commerce" and "general welfare" arguments, though, by pointing out that those were never intended as massive, unlimited powers and that reading them that way destroys the point of the Constitution.

"The Approaching Storm" by Samsaysit:
"But, it does mean taking a stand and making our voices heard with the current leadership and to voting them out of office and from the positions of trust we have given them as the electorate. "
That hasn't worked for a century. Not even under Reagan. Reduction in government size: Negative. Not even under the "Republican Revolution" of 1994, so "extreme" that Gingrich got branded "The Gingrich That Stole Christmas". Actual federal spending cuts: around 1%, temporarily.

Hi all. New here, so I'll be brief. I think the major problem is that we, the employers, left our employees the keys to the till for far too long and now they have set themselves up for life. Term limits for the legislative branch would be a wonderful thing, but that'll never happen because we aren't the ones who will vote on it. Heck, we let our own employees decide when they deserve a raise. That is the problem with living in a Representative Democracy, we vote them in and tell them what we want, but they don't have to listen to us. However, as bad as that is, I think a Direct Democracy would pose even more problems. Letting the people vote on everything would mean every decision would have to pass through the voters and nothing would ever get done. The bureacracy is already thick enough to pick up with a fork.

[TonkaTim]

boof -

I had to turn off the TV. The sentimental drivvle of all the "how wonderful this man was" made me feel ill. My mind for some reason naturally rejects the "predictive programming" effect, the hypnosis effect, that lulls us dull in our senses via the refresh rate of the TV matching the human eye & brain.

When I see it and snap back to reality, I then remember the legacy, a lifetime of support, sponsoring, co-sponsoring, & most importantly votes for heinous, destructive legislation that has brought harm to hundreds of millions of people in America & around the world. I see that his presence in the US Senate will leave deep, lasting & possibly irrepairable harm to our Republic. These are the things I can not forget, this is the man's true legacy. It is now part of the history of our time and must not be forgotten.

While I forgive Mr. Kennedy, & pray that he finds real mercy in the world beyond. I just can not help but feel we must never forget our history.

[jagreer37]

boof -

I had to turn off the TV. The sentimental drivvle of all the "how wonderful this man was" made me feel ill. My mind for some reason naturally rejects the "predictive programming" effect, the hypnosis effect, that lulls us dull in our senses via the refresh rate of the TV matching the human eye & brain.

When I see it and snap back to reality, I then remember the legacy, a lifetime of support, sponsoring, co-sponsoring, & most importantly votes for heinous, destructive legislation that has brought harm to hundreds of millions of people in America & around the world. I see that his presence in the US Senate will leave deep, lasting & possibly irrepairable harm to our Republic. These are the things I can not forget, this is the man's true legacy. It is now part of the history of our time and must not be forgotten.

While I forgive Mr. Kennedy, & pray that he finds real mercy in the world beyond. I just can not help but feel we must never forget our history.
Hear, hear! Hmmm... Let's look at the legacy for a moment. He helped open immigration to beyond Western Europe. Thanks for the illegal immigration problem, Ted. Nobody ever mentions that he helped write the "No Child Left Behind" bill. Thanks for the awesome education reform that will guarantee our children are taught to the standardized tests. It's the perfect preparation for working at McDonald's.

The thing that irks me the most is that the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne just gets glossed over as a minor inconvenience to the furthering of his career. At least she finally got some measure of justice.

[boofreakinyah]

Hear, hear! Hmmm... Let's look at the legacy for a moment. He helped open immigration to beyond Western Europe. Thanks for the illegal immigration problem, Ted. Nobody ever mentions that he helped write the "No Child Left Behind" bill. Thanks for the awesome education reform that will guarantee our children are taught to the standardized tests. It's the perfect preparation for working at McDonald's.

The thing that irks me the most is that the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne just gets glossed over as a minor inconvenience to the furthering of his career. At least she finally got some measure of justice.

I agree with both of you. His legacy, in my opinion, will be one that reflects decades of damage to our economy, freedom and country. BUT...I don't believe that it was intentional. I truly believe that it was his misguided methodology, motivated by a genuine desire to help those in need. My point was that there are too many American voters that signed on to these backward methods out of the same desire to help. We need to wake them up to the reality that free-market Capitalism, together with the protection of the Constitution, are the only way to guarantee our freedom, re-strengthen the economy and provide for those in need.

I believe Health Care costs could be reeled in by simply allowing us to buy our insurance from any company in any state. The nation wide competion WOULD absolutely drive costs down. Why is this not an "option"? Because health care reform is NOT the true motivation behind all of this emergency legislation. CONTROL, is the real issue and as long as we allow the government to have it...government will continue to take it...until there is nothing left to take.

[TonkaTim]

I agree with both of you. His legacy, in my opinion, will be one that reflects decades of damage to our economy, freedom and country. BUT...I don't believe that it was intentional. I truly believe that it was his misguided methodology, motivated by a genuine desire to help those in need. My point was that there are too many American voters that signed on to these backward methods out of the same desire to help. We need to wake them up to the reality that free-market Capitalism, together with the protection of the Constitution, are the only way to guarantee our freedom, re-strengthen the economy and provide for those in need.

I believe Health Care costs could be reeled in by simply allowing us to buy our insurance from any company in any state. The nation wide competion WOULD absolutely drive costs down. Why is this not an "option"? Because health care reform is NOT the true motivation behind all of this emergency legislation. CONTROL, is the real issue and as long as we allow the government to have it...government will continue to take it...until there is nothing left to take.

Boof,
While I agree with you in spirit. I have to take exception to free-market capitalism, I believe the modern definition is a misnomer. I am all for free-enterprise, especially within our borders. I see the ills of unrestrained free-trade due to the actions of the modern globalist . "Profit without a conscience" would be a better term. America now suffers from the actions of Profit without a conscience. I believe in free trade among nations, I do not believe in unrestrained free access to sovereign markets. Trade deals must be negotiated to be mutually beneficial or they will become destructive to one side or another.

Primary example can be the late 20th century change from a manufacturing enconomy to our current service economy. It had nothing to do with free-markets rule, in truth is a direct result from central planning extra-soveriegn entities like the World Trade Organization. End result - a global governing body who first interest is the promotion & protection of global corporate entities. Which is described as corporatism. Consider Mussolini's pure definition - "corporatism is fascism".

I refer you to my article - American Economics - A Faith Based Perspective (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1616431) , presented in a simple form. I would ask all to take a look at the concepts of pure American Economics. It has a proven track record, worked very well, the general result is overall prosperity.

Just like any "ism", unrestrained capitalism, if lacking sound principles has heavy costs. I suggest all look at http://www.usdebtclock.org/ the most important number is the credit derivative number. I could write tomes on the faults of these instruments, but I try to simplify for the average reader. So when ones sees the word derivative think toxic asset, these are a huge problem with unrestrained capitalism. They are financial posion, that should have been outlawed when considered during the Great Depression.

One of my favorite modern examples of the application of American economics is the Harely Tarif imposed by Ronald Reagan. Not only was Harley saved, but the entire american motorcycle manufacturing sector grew massively as a result with many manufacturers instead of none. Creating prosperity & jobs for Americans all over the country.

By his actions I believe Reagan understood the fundamentals of American economics. Since we are also discussing Kennedys, I believe Jack did as well. In June of 1963 JFK signed Executive Order 11110 giving Treasury the ability to issue debt free silver certificates. Though four months later President Kennedy was no more, LBJ stopped the debt-free US Notes.

[boofreakinyah]

...I have to take exception to free-market capitalism, I believe the modern definition is a misnomer. I am all for free-enterprise, especially within our borders. I see the ills of unrestrained free-trade due to the actions of the modern globalist .

TonkaTim -

Very good point. You made the point I tried unsuccessfully to make. When I used the term "free market capaitalism" I should have used your term "free-enterprise". I agree that the modern globalist interpretation and application of (fmc) has a completely different effect on economic outcomes within our borders.

My knowledge of finance limits my ability to comment authoritatively about these issues but I truly believe that common sense should prove the simplicity of this complex problem. Allowing the government to replace a free-enterprise type system, with a globalist government controlled system WILL lead to the destruction of the economy and the loss of American freedom.

If ANYONE can disprove that statement...Please do so.

[spinach]

congrats to JaGreer37 for a great OPED!

keep up the good work, folks
keep those fingers typing!
:)

[jagreer37]

Thanks for the kudos! There are a lot of great posts in here. I really enjoy reading everyone's articles.

[Lee Kington]

Just my opinion....

Posts like this one....

The Democrats New Talking Point to fool people to support the Individual Mandate
W.E.C.S.G

..... to me are NOT and Op Ed.

Why....

To many references to outside sources, etc. If one is going to state an opinion (Opinion Editorial) on a topic then that is what they should do. State THEIR opinion. Their opinion does not require or need external reference.

Things like this...
　
Here is an article that debunks these leftist lies about the Uninsured!
　
http://townhall.com/columnists/Jacob..._buy_insurance

Is having someone else make the posters points for them.

This part....
Here is a great link from a CATO study by Michael Cannon about how the takeover will work without a public option or COOP:
　
http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon
　
Here is a great link to an article by conservative writer Warner Todd Huston on how mandates will destroy our private medical care and Health Insurance just as fast as any public option or COOP:
　
http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/09/...our-insurance/
　
This is a critical information! Please forward to all your friends and email to your Congressional delegations and local/national conservative media!

Is nothing more than turning the board into a poorman's Google. It is NOT opinion, it is NOT even discussion.

[Meriweather]

It might be timely (after Lee's post) for the following.

When Fire Watch asks for suggestions for the round's winner, if other people respond, I won't. The reason is because I don't care whether there is a winner or not. I just like reading OpEds. So when I make suggestions, it's usually based on how well a piece is written, not the great idea behind it--that's just the teacher in me. Here is the "Grading Rubric" I personally follow for Op-Eds.

1. Is the opinion clearly stated?
2. Does the Op-Ed stick with ONE point? (So many wander all over the place)
3. Is it a timely, but not over-done subject?
4. Clarity, logic (when informing)
5. Kept my attention
6. Length (Op-Eds should not be terribly long)
7. Was a clear direction given on how to make the opinion a reality? (Opinions are great, but are they practical?)

Bonus points for my personal weaknesses--which are humor and satire.

File this under, "For What it's Worth."

ETA: And Lee's right about the links. Points off for using them.