Ask A Pentecostal

[terri910]

"old timers".....Harumph.


I resemble that remark.

[gpd®]

Any newcomers or old timers with new questions? :)

What percentage of Pentecostals do you think or know are "Dispensationalists?"

Or do both go hand in hand?

[CID_0687]

What percentage of Pentecostals do you think or know are "Dispensationalists?"

Or do both go hand in hand?
Hmm...now that's a good question. And one that I couldn't even begin to answer, other than to say a whole bunch. :)

Perhaps Ray or someone else may know this.

[gpd®]

Hmm...now that's a good question. And one that I couldn't even begin to answer, other than to say a whole bunch. :)

Perhaps Ray or someone else may know this.

It would seem to me that you, as myself, obviously are.

And then, there could be a percentage that fall under "Replacement Theology."

[RayMan]

What percentage of Pentecostals do you think or know are "Dispensationalists?"

Or do both go hand in hand?


Gotta keep in mind there are several variants within the dispensational camp.

Acts 2, Mainstream dispensationalists.
Acts 9, Mid-Acts dispensationalists or hyper-dispensationalists
Acts 28, End of Acts, ultra-dispensationalists

Acts 2 type believe Church started at Pentecost
Act 9 type believe Church started with Paul's conversion and call to preach the gospel of grace

Acts 28 type believe Church began at the time of Paul's declaration: Act 28:28 "Be fully assured, therefore, that this salvation--God's salvation--has now been sent to the Gentiles, and that they, at any rate, will give heed."

[gpd®]

Gotta keep in mind there are several variants within the dispensational camp.

Acts 2, Mainstream dispensationalists.
Acts 9, Mid-Acts dispensationalists or hyper-dispensationalists
Acts 28, End of Acts, ultra-dispensationalists

Acts 2 type believe Church started at Pentecost
Act 9 type believe Church started with Paul's conversion and call to preach the gospel of grace

Acts 28 type believe Church began at the time of Paul's declaration: Act 28:28 "Be fully assured, therefore, that this salvation--God's salvation--has now been sent to the Gentiles, and that they, at any rate, will give heed."

Gee thanks, that's the shortest version I've ever read. Heaven knows I need simplicity.

Makes sense with Jesus' words that the "Kingdom of God is at hand."

I've learned in my short time as a Pentecostal that this could mean, "the dispensation of Grace," and could even be interchangeable.

Very stauch Christians have noted here that this a dangerous path to walk.

Either way, it may not be critical to my personal salvation, but it interesting never-the-less.


I still think it makes sense.

[lucky]

I toyed with this idea a couple of weeks ago and never got around to it...I'm definitely not the authority on all things Pentecostal around here...but there are several of us.

If anyone has a question, fire away!


So you are a Pentecostal or a Charismatic?

I know traditional Pentecostal, especially in their seminaries, do not like TBN and the prosperity movement.

So are you Pentecostal or the Charismatic that follows prosperity?

[gpd®]

So you are a Pentecostal or a Charismatic?

I know traditional Pentecostal, especially in their seminaries, do not like TBN and the prosperity movement.

So are you Pentecostal or the Charismatic that follows prosperity?

I am a Charismatic Pentecostal. The that is still painting me or CID with a wide brush.

I know Charismatic Pentecostals who think anything outside the KJV was written by Satan.

I know Charismatic Pentecostals who will kick you out of church if the ushers think that you are "quenching" the spirit.

I believe in supernatural health and prosperity as promised by God, but I don't send all my money to Ken Copeland (but I enjoy his messages).

I believe in balanced living. Use my liberty within the limits of my license, use my license to practice my faith within the limits of my liberty.

Balancing license with liberty is a message of the Gospel of Christ that many overlook.

Don't be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good.

[CID_0687]

So you are a Pentecostal or a Charismatic?

I know traditional Pentecostal, especially in their seminaries, do not like TBN and the prosperity movement.

So are you Pentecostal or the Charismatic that follows prosperity?
Not all Pentecostals have a problem with TBN, and not all Charismatics follow the prosperity doctrine.

The terms are, for the most part, interchangeable. I call myself a Pentecostal, but wouldn't be offended if someone called me Charismatic.

I don't believe that God's desire is for every Believer to be rich, monetarily speaking...but I do believe that He wants us to be able to take care of our own as well as being able to help those in need.

Oh, and Jesse Duplantis is one of my favorite preachers.

Does that answer your question?

[Deak2112]

What does it mean that I have never spoken in tongues?

[CID_0687]

What does it mean that I have never spoken in tongues?
Do you desire to do so?

[Deak2112]

Do you desire to do so?


I don't find it necessary and definitely don't feel as if God is calling me to do it. Personally, I've been affirmed 2 spiritual gifts and tongues isn't one of them.

[CID_0687]

I don't find it necessary and definitely don't feel as if God is calling me to do it. Personally, I've been affirmed 2 spiritual gifts and tongues isn't one of them.
I don't believe it makes you any less of a Christian that someone who does speak in tongues, if that's what you're wanting to know.

What gifts do you have?

[lucky]

Not all Pentecostals have a problem with TBN, and not all Charismatics follow the prosperity doctrine.

The terms are, for the most part, interchangeable. I call myself a Pentecostal, but wouldn't be offended if someone called me Charismatic.

I don't believe that God's desire is for every Believer to be rich, monetarily speaking...but I do believe that He wants us to be able to take care of our own as well as being able to help those in need.

Oh, and Jesse Duplantis is one of my favorite preachers.

Does that answer your question?

Yes, you are mixture of Pentecostal and Charismatic. I personally despise Charismatic teachings but find the Pentecostal emerging theology to be very good.

[CID_0687]

Yes, you are mixture of Pentecostal and Charismatic. I personally despise Charismatic teachings but find the Pentecostal emerging theology to be very good.
You will have to expound on that, if you don't mind. As I said, in my mind, and in most Pentecostals/Charismatics the terms are interchangeable.

What is it that separates the two for you?

[beaker]

Not all Pentecostals have a problem with TBN, and not all Charismatics follow the prosperity doctrine.

The terms are, for the most part, interchangeable. I call myself a Pentecostal, but wouldn't be offended if someone called me Charismatic.

I don't believe that God's desire is for every Believer to be rich, monetarily speaking...but I do believe that He wants us to be able to take care of our own as well as being able to help those in need.

Oh, and Jesse Duplantis is one of my favorite preachers.

Does that answer your question?

So is the "prosperity gospel" movement something that came from the Pentecostal church?

[gpd®]

Yes, you are mixture of Pentecostal and Charismatic. I personally despise Charismatic teachings but find the Pentecostal emerging theology to be very good.

I also can't see you separating both terms. Don't know of a Pentecostal following that doesn't believe in any of the spiritual gifts...all of which are considered charismatic.


P.P. Rayman, do you have any info for us?

[gpd®]

So is the "prosperity gospel" movement something that came from the Pentecostal church?

It comes from the Hebrew.

I learned that Jehovah-Shalom, or the God of Peace, means peace through prosperity.

Prosperity of spirit, soul, family, or anything that brings peace of mind...including finances.

Strong's Concordance 7965 - Hebrew Shalom ..... A word study in the New King James version for SHALOM says: Completeness, wholeness, health, peace, welfare, safety soundness, tranquility, prosperity, perfectness, fullness, rest, harmony, the absence of agitation or discord.

When Jewish people wish me shalom, I receive it in its fullness, including my finances. I do the same to others.

Shalom

[Hadassah]

I'm pretty sure most, if not all Pentecostals believe in healing of the sick by laying on of hands. Well, what about if someone "stood in proxy" for the sick person....would that still benefit the sick person?

[CID_0687]

So is the "prosperity gospel" movement something that came from the Pentecostal church?
I'm not sure. I know that many of the well known prosperity preachers happen to be Pentecostal. But, it's not a mainstream belief within Pentecostal and Charismatic churches.

[gpd®]

I'm pretty sure most, if not all Pentecostals believe in healing of the sick by laying on of hands. Well, what about if someone "stood in proxy" for the sick person....would that still benefit the sick person?

Yes. There is a very little used practice called "standing in the gap." The Bible calls for a person that is walking right with God to be the person to stand in the gap. (Not many of those around in this day and age.)

Eze 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

[RayMan]

I'm pretty sure most, if not all Pentecostals believe in healing of the sick by laying on of hands. Well, what about if someone "stood in proxy" for the sick person....would that still benefit the sick person?

It can. Seems to have somewhat to do with the faith of the person who is "standing in proxy" as you it.



Joh 4:46 So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.
Joh 4:47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Joh 4:49 The nobleman saith unto him, Sir, come down ere my child die.

Joh 4:50 Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way.

Joh 4:51 And as he was now going down, his servants met him, and told him, saying, Thy son liveth.
Joh 4:52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him.

Joh 4:53 So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.
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Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
Mat 8:6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

[Hadassah]

Yes. There is a very little used practice called "standing in the gap." The Bible calls for a person that is walking right with God to be the person to stand in the gap. (Not many of those around in this day and age.)

Eze 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

Well, that leaves me out. :frown:

[Hadassah]

It can. Seems to have somewhat to do with the faith of the person who is "standing in proxy" as you it.


Interesting that you posted the Scripture about the father whose son was sick first. Almost like you read my mind. :think:

[gpd®]

Interesting that you posted the Scripture about the father whose son was sick first. Almost like you read my mind. :think:

Isn't that what Popes are best at?