Ask a Baptist

[vir doctus]

Reminds me of the pastor who got divorced and was forced to resign. He said, "I should have killed my wife. The church would have forgiven me for that..."

It is not about forgiveness.

[RayMan]

It is not about forgiveness.


I was just addressing the people side of the situation not the God side.

[vir doctus]

I was just addressing the people side of the situation not the God side.

:question:

[RayMan]

:question:

Crud. I can't even tell you to google it, because you would have nothing to google.

In other words...

I related that little story not in order to touch on what Paul writes to Timothy about "husband of one wife" or what he writes to the Corinthian church in 1 Cor 7.

To me the story points out how often a divorced Christian - especially a pastor - is pretty much thrown by the wayside as damaged goods for the rest of their life.

BTW - Today my wife and I are celebrating 35 years of marriage (she's my first wife.) so I am not harboring a hidden agenda of some sort.

Just sayin'.

[vir doctus]

Crud. I can't even tell you to google it, because you would have nothing to google.

In other words...

I related that little story not in order to touch on what Paul writes to Timothy about "husband of one wife" or what he writes to the Corinthian church in 1 Cor 7.

To me the story points out how often a divorced Christian - especially a pastor - is pretty much thrown by the wayside as damaged goods for the rest of their life.

BTW - Today my wife and I are celebrating 35 years of marriage (she's my first wife.) so I am not harboring a hidden agenda of some sort.

Just sayin'.

Happy Anniversary!

I was not referring to Paul. I am referencing leading by example. I am referencing the purpose a man seeks to continue as a professional minister in the face of his failure. I am referencing palatable sin and its deleterious effect on the body.

[RayMan]

Happy Anniversary!

I was not referring to Paul. I am referencing leading by example. I am referencing the purpose a man seeks to continue as a professional minister in the face of his failure. I am referencing palatable sin and its deleterious effect on the body.

I can dig that. (Got that hippie feeling today, thinking back 35 years.)

Isn't all sin "palatable" for a season?


Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Heb 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Heb 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

[vir doctus]

Isn't all sin "palatable" for a season?


Yes. And when it is the minister who is putting the cherry on top, people who care about the Body of Christ need to speak up.

[RayMan]

Yes. And when it is the minister who is putting the cherry on top, people who care about the Body of Christ need to speak up.


Cherry on top. Sweet.

Wife and I are heading over to Napa later on for anniversary lunch. If you haven't been there yet you really should swing by before you leave California. Very nice place.

[CID_0687]

None of us should willfully sin, but we do...We should all strive daily to live a life that is pleasing to God.

Pastors are automatically held to a higher standard than folks in the congregation...not in God's eyes, but in man's.

We're all human, we're all going to fall short and sin everyday. Because a man has been divorced is no reason that he can't be in church leadership.

We all have our pasts, and if God can forgive us of our past sins then we should be able to see past them as well.

[Koushi Shinigami]

None of us should willfully sin, but we do...We should all strive daily to live a life that is pleasing to God.

Pastors are automatically held to a higher standard than folks in the congregation...not in God's eyes, but in man's.

We're all human, we're all going to fall short and sin everyday. Because a man has been divorced is no reason that he can't be in church leadership.

We all have our pasts, and if God can forgive us of our past sins then we should be able to see past them as well.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

He who is without sin....

[vir doctus]

Pastors are automatically held to a higher standard than folks in the congregation...not in God's eyes, but in man's.


"but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Mt. 18:6

Seems like God's standards.

[Koushi Shinigami]

"but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Mt. 18:6

Seems like God's standards.

Fine. I'll start carving out some millstones.

Question, can we reuse them or does each preacher get a new one?

[Meriweather]

Fine. I'll start carving out some millstones.

Question, can we reuse them or does each preacher get a new one?

No, no, Koushi! Put away the carving tools. Let's find another way. Millstones are not good.

Are you having a good weekend?

[Koushi Shinigami]

No, no, Koushi! Put away the carving tools. Let's find another way. Millstones are not good.

Are you having a good weekend?

Mixed bag.

Was camping with my boys and their troop. Great bunch of kids. One of them has a disability. Doesn't have a mean bone in his body, but also will not stop -- for anything. Think hyperactive kid amped up on commercial grade speed.

But all good things come to an end and now I'm home.

C'mon. Just a couple of millstones?

[Meriweather]

Mixed bag.

Was camping with my boys and their troop. Great bunch of kids. One of them has a disability. Doesn't have a mean bone in his body, but also will not stop -- for anything. Think hyperactive kid amped up on commercial grade speed.

But all good things come to an end and now I'm home.

C'mon. Just a couple of millstones?

I'm glad you got to get away. Yes, I have a few hyperactive kids I can picture, so I sympathize.

How about if we compromise on the millstones. You get to carve them, but you cannot attach them to anyone. Deal?

[CID_0687]

"but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Mt. 18:6

Seems like God's standards.
Following that none is worthy to be in church leadership for all have sinned.

[Koushi Shinigami]

I'm glad you got to get away. Yes, I have a few hyperactive kids I can picture, so I sympathize.

How about if we compromise on the millstones. You get to carve them, but you cannot attach them to anyone. Deal?

I thought vir was going to hook them up....

Thanks for the understanding, hyperactive doesn't begin to describe this kid. I really can't describe it well here. Look up 'Fragile X'.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Following that none is worthy to be in church leadership for all have sinned.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[Meriweather]

I thought vir was going to hook them up....

Thanks for the understanding, hyperactive doesn't begin to describe this kid. I really can't describe it well here. Look up 'Fragile X'.

I looked up Fragile X. Some kids have such great burdens. I'll pray.

[Koushi Shinigami]

I looked up Fragile X. Some kids have such great burdens. I'll pray.

True. And some kids ARE great burdens... :razz:


I keep looking for the good though...

[vir doctus]

I thought vir was going to hook them up....


Not I. I am sorry that I have left you with that impression.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Christ didn't say HE was going to do it.

[Meriweather]

So we're all agreed. No millstone goes around anyone's neck.

[Koushi Shinigami]

How about chopping off hands or gouging out eyes?

[RayMan]

How about chopping off hands or gouging out eyes?

Or not. :)

[vir doctus]

How about chopping off hands or gouging out eyes?

Depends. I'm all for emasculating certain people.

[Koushi Shinigami]

You're not going to let us do anything Jesus told us to do.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Depends. I'm all for emasculating certain people.

Go ahead. But that would be extra-scriptural.

[vir doctus]

You're not going to let us do anything Jesus told us to do.

Go ahead.

[Meriweather]

You're not going to let us do anything Jesus told us to do.

Who was it who said, "Love one another as I have loved you."?

[Koushi Shinigami]

Go ahead.

Thanks.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Who was it who said, "Love one another as I have loved you."?

The same man who said millstone and remove hands and eyes.

[RayMan]

Depends. I'm all for emasculating certain people.

How very Pauline of you.

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

[vir doctus]

How very Pauline of you.

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.



My thoughts exactly.

[Meriweather]

The same man who said millstone and remove hands and eyes.

And which do you think he would have you and I do?

[Koushi Shinigami]

And which do you think he would have you and I do?

*sharpens knife and chisel*

[Meriweather]

*sharpens knife and chisel*


:)) :)) :))

[Hadassah]

Depends. I'm all for emasculating certain people.

Me, too.

[5thIDSoldier]

The same man who said millstone and remove hands and eyes.

Its amazing to me how many people fail to see the allegorical applications of such things. :))

[Koushi Shinigami]

Its amazing to me how many people fail to see the allegorical applications of such things. :))

I've been told here that every word is to be taken literally...

[RayMan]

Go ahead. But that would be extra-scriptural.

Paul was tempted by the thought.

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=37707211&postcount=1035

[Koushi Shinigami]

Paul was tempted by the thought.

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=37707211&postcount=1035

Yeah. That passage makes no sense. If I decide to care later, I might look up its context. ;)

[5thIDSoldier]

I've been told here that every word is to be taken literally...

There are passages that are both......

[cbut1]

Okay any other questions for a Baptist to answer?

[RayMan]

Yeah. That passage makes no sense. If I decide to care later, I might look up its context. ;)

Pretty simple context. He was ticked off at the Judaizers who wanted to circumsise Gentile believers. Ticked off enough that he told the Judaizers he would be ok with them getting the body part in question removed entirely.

Oww, Paul!

[Reeder]

Pretty simple context. He was ticked off at the Judaizers who wanted to circumsise Gentile believers. Ticked off enough that he told the Judaizers he would be ok with them getting the body part in question removed entirely.

Oww, Paul!

:eek:

Kill me now, please.

[CID_0687]

Darn it!! Our "strategery" didn't work. We should have gotten this back farther than the second page. :razz:

What's the Baptist view on the Second Coming of Christ?

[CID_0687]

Pretty simple context. He was ticked off at the Judaizers who wanted to circumsise Gentile believers. Ticked off enough that he told the Judaizers he would be ok with them getting the body part in question removed entirely.

Oww, Paul!
:cry:

[RayMan]

:eek:

Kill me now, please.

But you could get back into the Tabernacle Choir. Singing a very high tenor.

[RayMan]

Darn it!! Our "strategery" didn't work. We should have gotten this back farther than the second page. :razz:

What's the Baptist view on the Second Coming of Christ?


They are all OVER the map on that one. It will be very interesting to hear what our resident Baptist shares on this one.

:mrgreen:

[CID_0687]

But you could get back into the Tabernacle Choir. Singing a very high tenor.
soprano even.

[CID_0687]

They are all OVER the map on that one. It will be very interesting to hear what our resident Baptist shares on this one.

:mrgreen:
:dance:

[MONGOOSE]

Darn it!! Our "strategery" didn't work. We should have gotten this back farther than the second page. :razz:

What's the Baptist view on the Second Coming of Christ?

I view it as a positive for those that are ready, a negative for those that are not. Could you be more specific?

[Koushi Shinigami]

What's the Baptist view on the Second Coming of Christ?

A chance to get that autograph? :shrug:

[CID_0687]

I view it as a positive for those that are ready, a negative for those that are not. Could you be more specific?
:think: I'm not sure how I can be more specific.

[RayMan]

I view it as a positive for those that are ready, a negative for those that are not. Could you be more specific?


Hey M-Goose (not to be mistaken for DA GOOSE),

I think CID is interested in Baptist thought on

Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib, Amillenialism, Pan-millenialism, Preterism, Historicism.

Stuff like that.

[RayMan]

:think: I'm not sure how I can be more specific.


Gotcha covered CID. Just nod your head and smile. :mrgreen:

[CID_0687]

Hey M-Goose (not to be mistaken for DA GOOSE),

I think CID is interested in Baptist thought on

Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib, Amillenialism, Pan-millenialism, Preterism, Historicism.

Stuff like that.
http://bestsmileys.com/signs1/17.gif

[vir doctus]

Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib, Amillenialism, Pan-millenialism, Preterism, Historicism.



Nugatory.

[CID_0687]

Nugatory.
http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/4.gif

[RayMan]

Nugatory.

After 30 years of studying the subject I have pretty much settled on Pan-millenialism.

[CID_0687]

After 30 years of studying the subject I have pretty much settled on Pan-millenialism.
Funny you should say that, for cause that's where I be with it too.

[vir doctus]

After 30 years of studying the subject I have pretty much settled on Pan-millenialism.

As a housewife and SAHM, I am against a thousand years of pans.
As a daughter of the One True God, I am against worshipping Pan for a thousand years.

[RayMan]

As a housewife and SAHM, I am against a thousand years of pans.
As a daughter of the One True God, I am against worshipping Pan for a thousand years.


Which brings me back to the Yanni thing from yesterday. Just for the record, I have never played pan-flute. I do guitar, banjo and keyboards.

[RayMan]

http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/4.gif

Here ya go.

nugatory - of little or no consequence

And you thought it was the album Ted put out after "Cat Scratch Fever."

[vir doctus]

Which brings me back to the Yanni thing from yesterday. Just for the record, I have never played pan-flute. I do guitar, banjo and keyboards.

Pan flute?

[CID_0687]

Which brings me back to the Yanni thing from yesterday. Just for the record, I have never played pan-flute. I do guitar, banjo and keyboards.
:eek: At the same time? Man you're talented

[CID_0687]

Here ya go.

nugatory - of little or no consequence

And you thought it was the album Ted put out after "Cat Scratch Fever."
Weekend Warriors?

[RayMan]

Pan flute?

Don't try to deflect by questioning the randomness of my facts.

[MONGOOSE]

Hey M-Goose (not to be mistaken for DA GOOSE),

I think CID is interested in Baptist thought on

Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib, Amillenialism, Pan-millenialism, Preterism, Historicism.

Stuff like that.

Mark 13

23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


It would seem that the elect (saved) would be gathered afterthey see him coming in the clouds. To be honest, I have never given it much thought because regardless of when I know I will be gathered with the elect.

[RayMan]

Pan flute?

Yanni, Zamfir, six of one half dozen of the other.

[RayMan]

So where's cbut1? CID has a genuine question for a Baptist which is just sitting there waiting to be addressed.

[CID_0687]

So where's cbut1? CID has a genuine question for a Baptist which is just sitting there waiting to be addressed.
You don't think I've stumped him AGAIN do you?

[vir doctus]

Yanni, Zamfir, six of one half dozen of the other.

I am glad you are not Zamfir. :whistle:

[MONGOOSE]

So where's cbut1? CID has a genuine question for a Baptist which is just sitting there waiting to be addressed.

I hope we weren't "left behind".

[vir doctus]

I learned a new word. :dance:

chiliasm - has nothing to do with the ferocity of my homemade chili

[RayMan]

I am glad you are not Zamfir. :whistle:


I have considerably more hair. My older brother inherited the male pattern baldness gene. Thank God!

[RayMan]

I learned a new word. :dance:

chiliasm - has nothing to do with the ferocity of my homemade chili

Nope. More to do with the thousand year reign between the first and second resurrections spoken of in Rev 20.

[CID_0687]

I have considerably more hair. My older brother inherited the male pattern baldness gene. Thank God!
I feel your brothers pain.

My brother and I are like that movie "Twins" except he's 10 years older than me.

He's tall, thin, great hair...Me, I'm the crap that was left over.

[vir doctus]

I have considerably more hair. My older brother inherited the male pattern baldness gene. Thank God!

Yanni has a lot of hair.

[RayMan]

I feel your brothers pain.

My brother and I are like that movie "Twins" except he's 10 years older than me.

He's tall, thin, great hair...Me, I'm the crap that was left over.


But Mel and Dreamy both think you're tall and good looking. :drool:

[CID_0687]

But Mel and Dreamy both think you're tall and good looking. :drool:
Yeah, I am soo much cooler online.

[RayMan]

Yanni has a lot of hair.

Exactly. I was referencing Zamfir's baldness. Quit trying to confuse CID. He does that well enough on his own.

I haven't worn my hair like Yanni since the early '90s. The decade. Nothing to do with my age.

[CID_0687]

Exactly. I was referencing Zamfir's baldness. Quit trying to confuse CID. He does that well enough on his own.

I haven't worn my hair like Yanni since the early '90s. The decade. Nothing to do with my age.
But I thought the two coincided....:whistle:

[RayMan]

I hope we weren't "left behind".


Cbut1 goes and we are left? I'm thinking not in a million years. :whistle:

[CID_0687]

Cbut1 goes and we are left? I'm thinking not in a million years. :whistle:
Ditto!

[cbut1]

Darn it!! Our "strategery" didn't work. We should have gotten this back farther than the second page. :razz:

What's the Baptist view on the Second Coming of Christ?


It IS going to happen!













:mrgreen:

[CID_0687]

It IS going to happen!













:mrgreen:
I take it you're Pan-millinial too?

[jet]

I feel your brothers pain.

My brother and I are like that movie "Twins" except he's 10 years older than me.

He's tall, thin, great hair...Me, I'm the crap that was left over.

:naughty:

Come now.....you are adorable and you know it!!

[cbut1]

I take it you're Pan-millinial too?

This series of questions is the first time I have heard anyone use such a term.

[cbut1]

So where's cbut1? CID has a genuine question for a Baptist which is just sitting there waiting to be addressed.


Getting the kids caught up on school, sorry takes some time for me to do when Mommy usually does most of the work.

[jet]

This series of questions is the first time I have heard anyone use such a term.

Mr. Jet is a pan-milennialist....













It will all pan out in the end


:mrgreen:

[cbut1]

You don't think I've stumped him AGAIN do you?



As if you could, :)) your a funny guy.

[cbut1]

I feel your brothers pain.

My brother and I are like that movie "Twins" except he's 10 years older than me.

He's tall, thin, great hair...Me, I'm the crap that was left over.



The picture in my avitar is really me and as you can see I have a very nice head of hair. My brothers who are actually in the full version of that same picture; well lets just say I saved all of you from needing to rip out your eyes. :whistle:

[CID_0687]

:naughty:

Come now.....you are adorable and you know it!!
Yeah you're right...everyone thinks oompa loompas are cute.

[cbut1]

OK Cid is there any specific question about the Second Coming or were you just asking a general overview?

[CID_0687]

As if you could, :)) your a funny guy.
I try. :mrgreen:

[CID_0687]

OK Cid is there any specific question about the Second Coming or were you just asking a general overview?
Basically what I was asking is what PentePope Ray posted.

Are y'all pre-trib, post-trib, etc...?

[RayMan]

This series of questions is the first time I have heard anyone use such a term.

Shucks. It's a common term. Been around for years.

Us Pan-millenialists figure it'll all pan out in the end.

[vir doctus]

Basically what I was asking is what PentePope Ray posted.

Are y'all pre-trib, post-trib, etc...?

Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign

[CID_0687]

Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign
Tesla is that you?

[vir doctus]

Tesla is that you?

Five Man Electrical Band

[RayMan]

Five Man Electrical Band

Tesla cover of the song was on "Five Man Acoustical Jam"

[RayMan]

Tesla is that you?

Is Tesla a sign of the Apocalypse?

[vir doctus]

Tesla cover of the song was on "Five Man Acoustical Jam"



Copy cats.

[RayMan]

Copy cats.

Yep.

[vir doctus]

Yep.

Good, I thought you were having another Zamfir moment...

[CID_0687]

Five Man Electrical Band
I knew that...but Tesla just kinda rolls off the tongue more gooder...or in this case the fingertips.

[cbut1]

Shucks. It's a common term. Been around for years.

Us Pan-millenilists figure it'll all pan out in the end.



AS RayMan said Baptist are all over the page on this one for various reasons most of them due to listening to others instead of studying it for themselves.

Many of the Missianary Baptist I spend the bulk of my time with are all Post-Trib & Pre-Mil.

There is a strong amount of support for a Pre-Trib rapture by some of the others here in California that are a part of the ABA (American Baptist Association).

[jet]

Yeah you're right...everyone thinks oompa loompas are cute.

Dude, you are so lookin' to get your toush whipped big time. :razz:

[RayMan]

AS RayMan said Baptist are all over the page on this one for various reasons most of them due to listening to others instead of studying it for themselves.
<snip> .

True dat.

When I was a Southern Baptist back in the mid-70s Hal Lindsey was pretty much considered a prophet - or as close as your could get in the SBC - We just ate up all of his rehashed pre-trib teachings which went right along with the footnotes in our Scofield Bibles.

[CID_0687]

Dude, you are so lookin' to get your toush whipped big time. :razz:
What's a toush?

[CID_0687]

True dat.

When I was a Southern Baptist back in the mid-70s Hal Lindsey was pretty much considered a prophet - or as close as your could get in the SBC - We just ate up all of his rehashed pre-trib teachings which went right along with the footnotes in our Scofield Bibles.
Yay!! Scofield!!

[RayMan]

Yay!! Scofield!!

Yep. The Baptist version of Dake. Although Scofield himself was a Congregationalist (became a Presbyterian in later life) who got most of his material from Darby who was a leader in the Plymouth Brethren group.

[CID_0687]

Yep. The Baptist version of Dake. Although Scofield himself was a Congregationalist (became a Presbyterian in later life) who got most of his material from Darby who was a leader in the Plymouth Brethren group.
Scofield is the Study Bible I use the most...guess that's my Baptist roots showing.

I have a question now, but I'll take it to the appropriate thread.

[RayMan]

Cbut1,
Another question just occurred to me. I have noticed in the last five years or so that a number of Baptist groups have been attacking and reviling Billy Graham. I have seen Independent Baptist websites which would have a photo of Billy Standing next to either the Pope or Oral Robers and captioned "Billy Graham hobnobbing with the Anti-Christ" or words to that effect.

These same groups would encourage "their people" to boycott Billy Graham meetings and even go so far as to say that he has been preaching a false gospel for years and that people who answer the altar call in his meetings don't actually become Christians.

Where would your group stand on the Billy Graham issue? Or other ecumenical evangelistic endeavors for that matter?

[vir doctus]

It is a beautiful day to buy...:cool:

[vir doctus]

Cbut1,
Another question just occurred to me. I have noticed in the last five years or so that a number of Baptist groups have been attacking and reviling Billy Graham. I have seen Independent Baptist websites which would have a photo of Billy Standing next to either the Pope or Oral Robers and captioned "Billy Graham hobnobbing with the Anti-Christ" or words to that effect.

These same groups would encourage "their people" to boycott Billy Graham meetings and even go so far as to say that he has been preaching a false gospel for years and that people who answer the altar call in his meetings don't actually become Christians.

Where would your group stand on the Billy Graham issue? Or other ecumenical evangelistic endeavors for that matter?

Ecumenism is dangerous, don't know that I would make it personal though...

[jet]

What's a toush?

A very quick edit for another word :))

[CID_0687]

It is a beautiful day to buy...:cool:
So Baptist stock is up today...:think:

I'll take 1000 shares.

[CID_0687]

A very quick edit for another word :))
Would the other word happen to be tush?

[vir doctus]

So Baptist stock is up today...:think:

I'll take 1000 shares.

Up = no buy.

[jet]

Would the other word happen to be tush?

NO! I didn't think it was appropriate for this thread

And yes, we all no I kant spel :rolleyes:

[vir doctus]

Would the other word happen to be tush?

"backside, buttocks," 1962, an abbreviation of tochus (1914), from Yiddish tokhes, from Heb. tahat "beneath."

[RayMan]

So Baptist stock is up today...:think:

I'll take 1000 shares.

I believe she was referencing a Cappucino.

[CID_0687]

Up = no buy.
Hence the reason I'm not a stockbroker...

How does Presbyterian stock look today?

[CID_0687]

"backside, buttocks," 1962, an abbreviation of tochus (1914), from Yiddish tokhes, from Heb. tahat "beneath."
Thank you for that insightful post Vir.

[CID_0687]

I believe she was referencing a Cappacino.
Oh so it's a good day to buy stock in Apple/Macintosh then. :mrgreen:

[jet]

"backside, buttocks," 1962, an abbreviation of tochus (1914), from Yiddish tokhes, from Heb. tahat "beneath."

Yes, you definitely have my back :mrgreen: ;)

[vir doctus]

How does Presbyterian stock look today?

I'm buying nuclear and medical - are those Presbyterianesque?

[CID_0687]

I'm buying nuclear and medical - are those Presbyterianesque?
Nuclear sounds reformed, so I'd say Yes!!

[RayMan]

There's never a Baptist around when you really need one...

[cbut1]

There's never a Baptist around when you really need one...



Well this one does have a job to go to everyday. Besides someone has to pay for your social security. :whistle:

[cbut1]

True dat.

When I was a Southern Baptist back in the mid-70s Hal Lindsey was pretty much considered a prophet - or as close as your could get in the SBC - We just ate up all of his rehashed pre-trib teachings which went right along with the footnotes in our Scofield Bibles.


I remember as a kid many discussions in peoples living rooms debating the things put forth by Mr. Lindsey and men like him. Many good friends of each other took different sides and ended up allowing Satan to cause great division amonst us.

[cbut1]

Scofield is the Study Bible I use the most...guess that's my Baptist roots showing.

I have a question now, but I'll take it to the appropriate thread.

Scofield bibles are worthless peices of dribble.. :silenced:

[cbut1]

Cbut1,
Another question just occurred to me. I have noticed in the last five years or so that a number of Baptist groups have been attacking and reviling Billy Graham. I have seen Independent Baptist websites which would have a photo of Billy Standing next to either the Pope or Oral Robers and captioned "Billy Graham hobnobbing with the Anti-Christ" or words to that effect.

These same groups would encourage "their people" to boycott Billy Graham meetings and even go so far as to say that he has been preaching a false gospel for years and that people who answer the altar call in his meetings don't actually become Christians.

Where would your group stand on the Billy Graham issue? Or other ecumenical evangelistic endeavors for that matter?


We have no large standing official position concerning men such as Billy Graham.

Personally my opinion is he is a man full of goodly intentions, but as my G-Father used to say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I find that the marketing behind him diminishes his overall credibility.

[RayMan]

Scofield bibles are worthless peices of dribble.. :silenced:

Yep.

[Koushi Shinigami]

I thought God protected his word and made sure it endured intact and without corruption.

[RayMan]

I thought God protected his word and made sure it endured intact and without corruption.

Hey Koushi!

We're talking about Scofield's notes in the margins. The bible would be just fine without his notes.

[Koushi Shinigami]

:))


Then God shouldn't have allowed him to mark up the margins.

Did He run out of lightning bolts?

[RayMan]

:))


Then God shouldn't have allowed him to mark up the margins.

Did He run out of lightning bolts?

You're thinking Zeus. Or maybe Thor, although I haven 't seen him around for a few days. :mrgreen:

[Koushi Shinigami]

You're thinking Zeus. Or maybe Thor, although I haven 't seen him around for a few days. :mrgreen:

How about Vulcan?


Perhaps Jehova could have collapsed a ceiling on Scofield. Or maybe a boatload of rain. Painful boils on his writing hand?....

[vir doctus]

Or maybe Thor, although I haven 't seen him around for a few days. :mrgreen:

http://www.zeldaforums.net/forum/images/smilies2/viking.gif

[RayMan]

How about Vulcan?


Perhaps Jehova could have collapsed a ceiling on Scofield. Or maybe a boatload of rain. Painful boils on his writing hand?....

Any of the above would have worked fine.

[Koushi Shinigami]

and yet somehow, He didn't.......

[RayMan]

and yet somehow, He didn't.......

Apparently Scofield ticked me off more than he did God. Go figure...

[CID_0687]

Scofield bibles are worthless peices of dribble.. :silenced:
On the commentary side I agree. I only use the chain references.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Apparently Scofield ticked me off more than he did God. Go figure...

Lucky for him the position of Judge is already filled.

[RayMan]

Yeah. I would've smacked him good.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Still, one would think Al Mighty would take more care with whom He chooses to inspire to write for Him.

[jet]

On the commentary side I agree. I only use the chain references.

I like Ryrie and John MacArthur's study bibles.....

[jet]

Still, one would think Al Mighty would take more care with whom He chooses to inspire to write for Him.

That's Almighty there, KS ;)

Man is fallible, God isn't. While some versions may have a few words that are different, the context remains the same: from the dawn of creation, God has pursued a relationship with man. Man is fallen and God, in His abundant love for us, gave us His only begotten Son so that we can have fellowship with God for eternity if we just believe in Him.
Everything else is pretty much icing on the cake imo.

[CID_0687]

I like Ryrie and John MacArthur's study bibles.....
I know MacArthur's, I'm not familiar with Ryrie though

[Koushi Shinigami]

That's Almighty there, KS ;)


You've never seen 'Evan Almighty'. It's Al and he was waiting tables. :razz:


While some versions may have a few words that are different, the context remains the same:


MMMmmmm. Not so much.

[cbut1]

On the commentary side I agree. I only use the chain references.

Many of the chain references point to the doctrines he espoused so be carefull.

[jet]

You've never seen 'Evan Almighty'. It's Al and he was waiting tables. :razz:




MMMmmmm. Not so much.

:doh: Don't you know as a Christian I don't see movies :razz:

(jk!! I saw it but don't remember movie lines very well.)

and as for the latter, have you ever just lined up a few translations and read them? Like a side by side comparison?

And :hug: because I think you need one :D

[CID_0687]

Many of the chain references point to the doctrines he espoused so be carefull.
When doing a deep study I also have a Nelson's Study Bible...I like the commentary a little more in it. However, I'm still yet to find commentary I can completely agree with. But, I'll follow the references in both, and only the ones that show correspond with one another...Both have their flaws, as I'm sure all study Bibles do.

[cbut1]

When doing a deep study I also have a Nelson's Study Bible...I like the commentary a little more in it. However, I'm still yet to find commentary I can completely agree with. But, I'll follow the references in both, and only the ones that show correspond with one another...Both have their flaws, as I'm sure all study Bibles do.



That's why I don't use commentary or study bibles I just use Bibles for study. I do read Greek with some effort so it does help in placing proper context and historical relevance to a story.

[5thIDSoldier]

Scofield bibles are worthless peices of dribble.. :silenced:

Agreed. I prefer the King James Study Bible. It's not perfect but there are some good notes and reference materials I have found to be accurate.

I have heard the Ryrie Study Bible has some really good Greek notes in it.

[Koushi Shinigami]

:doh: Don't you know as a Christian I don't see movies :razz:

(jk!! I saw it but don't remember movie lines very well.)


Wasn't a line. It was on his nametag. Evan's wife had left him and taken the kids. She was in a diner and was talking to Al about her quandry and he said, "It sounds like an opportunty." When she didn't get it, he said,

"Let me ask you something. If someone prays for patience, you think God gives them patience? Or does he give them the opportunity to be patient? If he prayed for courage, does God give him courage, or does he give him opportunities to be courageous? If someone prayed for the family to be closer, do you think God zaps them with warm fuzzy feelings, or does he give them opportunities to love each other? "


Best part of the movie.


And :hug: because I think you need one :D


Thanks. :hug:

[jet]

Wasn't a line. It was on his nametag. Evan's wife had left him and taken the kids. She was in a diner and was talking to Al about her quandry and he said, "It sounds like an opportunty." When she didn't get it, he said,

"Let me ask you something. If someone prays for patience, you think God gives them patience? Or does he give them the opportunity to be patient? If he prayed for courage, does God give him courage, or does he give him opportunities to be courageous? If someone prayed for the family to be closer, do you think God zaps them with warm fuzzy feelings, or does he give them opportunities to love each other? "


Best part of the movie.


That is very profound. So maybe when we find ourselves in stressful situations where we are at our wits end, maybe it's God's way of asking us to just seek Him instead of focusing on the situation :whistle:

;)

:hug:

[Koushi Shinigami]

That is very profound. So maybe when we find ourselves in stressful situations where we are at our wits end, maybe it's God's way of asking us to just seek Him instead of focusing on the situation :whistle:

;)

:hug:

Maybe, or maybe it's God's way of giving us what we asked for... :)

[jet]

Maybe, or maybe it's God's way of giving us what we asked for... :)

Where are you? You need a whoopin'! :)) How far from California are you? I have a really long paddle :evil:

;)

[RayMan]

Wasn't a line. It was on his nametag. Evan's wife had left him and taken the kids. She was in a diner and was talking to Al about her quandry and he said, "It sounds like an opportunty." When she didn't get it, he said,

"Let me ask you something. If someone prays for patience, you think God gives them patience? Or does he give them the opportunity to be patient? If he prayed for courage, does God give him courage, or does he give him opportunities to be courageous? If someone prayed for the family to be closer, do you think God zaps them with warm fuzzy feelings, or does he give them opportunities to love each other? "

Best part of the movie.

Thanks. :hug:

Kinda reminds me of:

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Where are you? You need a whoopin'! :)) How far from California are you? I have a really long paddle :evil:

;)


After having endured the great state of fruits and nuts for 7 years, I moved as far away as I could. ;)

[5thIDSoldier]

After having endured the great state of fruits and nuts for 7 years, I moved as far away as I could. ;)

I can't say I blame you.

[RayMan]

Philistines.

[jet]

After having endured the great state of fruits and nuts for 7 years, I moved as far away as I could. ;)

I wish I could move out of here, too!!! :neutral:

I'll be back East in a couple of weeks. I can find you little man :))

[jet]

I can't say I blame you.

Hub and I will be in OH in 12 days in Amish Country. Can't wait. I will probably want to move there as I hear it's wonderful. But then, California still has great weather and that Pacific ocean.

[RayMan]

Hub and I will be in OH in 12 days in Amish Country. Can't wait. I will probably want to move there as I hear it's wonderful. But then, California still has great weather and that Pacific ocean.

And Nation's.

[jet]

And Nation's.

So true!!

[vir doctus]

I wish I could move out of here, too!!! :neutral:

I'll be back East in a couple of weeks. I can find you little man :))

I get to move. PTL!!! :dance:

[Though, the foggy beach was beautiful this morning.]

[vir doctus]

And Nation's.
:question:

[jet]

I get to move. PTL!!! :dance:

[Though, the foggy beach was beautiful this morning.]

That is such great news, Vir!! Congratulations! :clap:

Although Marin County is beautiful. Has the nicest McDonald's I've ever seen ;)

[jet]

:question:

http://www.nationsrestaurants.com/ Cardiac platter :D

[CID_0687]

That is such great news, Vir!! Congratulations! :clap:

Although Marin County is beautiful. Has the nicest McDonald's I've ever seen ;)
You can always judge a town by the condition of their McDonalds

[jet]

You can always judge a town by the condition of their McDonalds

This one is pretty fancy...but Marin County is the most liberal county in the Bay Area...worse than San Francisco imo.

[RayMan]

:question:


Best burger joint in the East Bay. That was EAST - not North.

Nation's Giant Hamburgers
http://www.nationsrestaurants.com/

[RayMan]

You can always judge a town by the condition of their McDonalds


You just make this stuff up as you go along don't you?





















(That's how I do it anyhow.)

[RayMan]

I get to move. PTL!!! :dance:

[Though, the foggy beach was beautiful this morning.]

Congrats!

[jet]

Bay Area Meet-up...anyone? Please???

I need friends :pray:

:razz:

[CID_0687]

Bay Area Meet-up...anyone? Please???

I need friends :pray:

:razz:
^ This is why you don't have friends.

Beggar!! :razz:

[vir doctus]

Best burger joint in the East Bay. That was EAST - not North.

Nation's Giant Hamburgers
http://www.nationsrestaurants.com/

Vir = vegetarian

[jet]

^ This is why you don't have friends.

Beggar!! :razz:

Whino :razz:

[CID_0687]

Whino :razz:
Whino- one who whines

Wino- Drunken bum

One who partakes- CID :mrgreen:

[vir doctus]

Bay Area Meet-up...anyone? Please???

I need friends :pray:

:razz:

But if you decide you don't like me in real life then you won't like me on line and I'll be stuck saying, "My imaginary friends hate me." :shifty:

[CID_0687]

But if you decide you don't like me in real life then you won't like me on line and I'll be stuck saying, "My imaginary friends hate me." :shifty:
Imaginary friends are ok...but it is sad when you have imaginary enemies.

[RayMan]

Vir = vegetarian

My vegetarian and vegan kids love the Gardenburger at Nation's.

[RayMan]

Imaginary friends are ok...but it is sad when you have imaginary enemies.


Oh, you THINK they're imaginary.

[jet]

But if you decide you don't like me in real life then you won't like me on line and I'll be stuck saying, "My imaginary friends hate me." :shifty:

Hmm, when you put it that way......:think:
Seriously, I would not hate you. Cid, sure, you, nevah ;)

[CID_0687]

My vegetarian and vegan kids love the Gardenburger at Nation's.
How does a carnivore have herbivore children?

[Koushi Shinigami]

I wish I could move out of here, too!!! :neutral:

I'll be back East in a couple of weeks. I can find you little man :))




Hub and I will be in OH in 12 days


Not far enough. :cool:

[vir doctus]

How does a carnivore have herbivore children?

The child is often smarter than the parental unit. :angel:

[Koushi Shinigami]

Best burger joint in the East Bay. That was EAST - not North.

Nation's Giant Hamburgers
http://www.nationsrestaurants.com/

IDK. In 'N Out was pretty good.

[RayMan]

The child is often smarter than the parental unit. :angel:


That's what your kids tell me. :whistle::whistle:

[RayMan]

How does a carnivore have herbivore children?


It is somewhat of an embarrassment to me, but I love my kids.

[jet]

Whino- one who whines

Wino- Drunken bum

One who partakes- CID :mrgreen:

Annoyance-a person who is always correcting another yet failing to look at his own areas that are in dire need of correction

[Koushi Shinigami]

The child is often smarter than the parental unit. :angel:

The child likes to think that. However, the intelligence of the parental unit is directly proportional to the length of time the child has been out of the house, living on their own.

[CID_0687]

That's what your kids tell me. :whistle::whistle:
Ouch

[RayMan]

Annoyance-a person who is always correcting another yet failing to look at his own areas that are in dire need of correction


Yes? You called? :mrgreen:

[jet]

Not far enough. :cool:

That's just where we are starting.....NY and PA are on the list also...


am I close? :pray:

[CID_0687]

Annoyance-a person who is always correcting another yet failing to look at his own areas that are in dire need of correction
I'll get to my log later, right now I'm busy with everyone else's splinters...mmmkay? ;)

[vir doctus]

That's what your kids tell me. :whistle::whistle:

It's true - three of my four have higher IQs.

[Koushi Shinigami]

That's just where we are starting.....NY and PA are on the list also...


am I close? :pray:

Close-er No one EVER thinks of this place. Which is why I like it so much. Last hint. I moved AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE.

[RayMan]

The child likes to think that. However, the intelligence of the parental unit is directly proportional to the length of time the child has been out of the house, living on their own.

I have heard that Mark Twain left home at the age of 16 because his Father was so stupid. When Mark came home two years later he was pleasantly surprised at how much the older gentleman had learned in his absence.

[CID_0687]

Close-er No one EVER thinks of this place. Which is why I like it so much. Last hint. I moved AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE.
Maine

[jet]

Close-er No one EVER thinks of this place. Which is why I like it so much. Last hint. I moved AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE.

Maine......

[jet]

I'll get to my log later, right now I'm busy with everyone else's splinters...mmmkay? ;)

:)) I'm the only eye surgeon in this joint buddy :razz:

[RayMan]

Key West

[Koushi Shinigami]

I have heard that Mark Twain left home at the age of 16 because his Father was so stupid. When Mark came home two years later he was pleasantly surprised at how much the older gentleman had learned in his absence.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I'd heard that too.


Also, my dad drilled that idea into my head my whole life. You know what? The old fart was right. :wall:

[Koushi Shinigami]

well, there's two correct answers. :cool:

[CID_0687]

Key West
Ahh yes the last bus stop before Cuba.


:redface:

I'm still pickin' seaweed out of my teeth from that one.

[jet]

well, there's two correct answers. :cool:

Well, I'm sure my paddle can reach Maine from NY :think: ;)

[RayMan]

We should probably get back to something more Baptistic.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Well, I'm sure my paddle can reach Maine from NY :think: ;)

Good luck with that. :cool:

[jet]

We should probably get back to something more Baptistic.

Oh come now thread hijacker King :rolleyes:

[CID_0687]

Oh come now thread hijacker King :rolleyes:
You rang?

[jet]

You rang?

You two are the Laverne and Shirley of Cyberspace :D

[Koushi Shinigami]

You two are the Laverne and Shirley of Cyberspace :D

Who am I?

Squiggey?

[RayMan]

Who am I?

Squiggey?


Mr. DeFazio.

[CID_0687]

You two are the Laverne and Shirley of Cyberspace :D
I was thinking more Laurel and Hardy

[jet]

Who am I?

Squiggey?

Are you kidding? Wrong sitcom. You are definitely Mr. Roper from Three's Company :))

[jet]

I was thinking more Laurel and Hardy

Donny and Marie maybe :think:

[RayMan]

I was thinking more Laurel and Hardy

Martin and Lewis.

Call me Dean.

[CID_0687]

Hey Lady!!

[Koushi Shinigami]

Are you kidding? Wrong sitcom. You are definitely Mr. Roper from Three's Company :))


Cool! I get to hang with Chrissy. :drool: :drool:


And I definitely remember Lenny and Squiggy being on Laverne and Shirley.

[CID_0687]

Cool! I get to hang with Chrissy. :drool: :drool:


And I definitely remember Lenny and Squiggy being on Laverne and Shirley.
Call me crazy, but I always had more of thing for Janet.

By the way, John Ritter was a Baptist.

staying on topic

[jet]

Cool! I get to hang with Chrissy. :drool: :drool:


And I definitely remember Lenny and Squiggy being on Laverne and Shirley.

You are so like Mr. Roper :)) I mean, you eminate his views on marriage perfectly.....:))
And yeah, I meant wrong sitcom for your character to be chosen from. Sheesh, didn't you get that ;)

[Koushi Shinigami]

Is it just me, or are edits being automatically updated to quotes?

[jet]

Is it just me, or are edits being automatically updated to quotes?

Fix number 1221 to read Squiggy and see what happens.

[vir doctus]

Martin and Lewis.

Call me Dean.

I thought we were done with the drunk discourse.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Fix number 1221 to read Squiggy and see what happens.

Nothing.

[RayMan]

I thought we were done with the drunk discourse.

Now we are moving on to the dessert course.

[Koushi Shinigami]

You are so like Mr. Roper :)) I mean, you eminate his views on marriage perfectly.....:))
And yeah, I meant wrong sitcom for your character to be chosen from. Sheesh, didn't you get that ;)

Well, Look what he was married to.


Nope, sorry.

[Koushi Shinigami]

I thought we were done with the drunk discourse.

Hmmmm. There's something delectable about being drunk in the Baptist thread....

[RayMan]

It's true - three of my four have higher IQs.

Do they rub it in much? Like during Math?

[RayMan]

We should probably get back to something more Baptistic.

Let the record clearly show I tried to get you rapscallions back on target.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Water. :cool:

[vir doctus]

Do they rub it in much? Like during Math?

Famous last words, "We'll ask Daddy when he gets home..."

[RayMan]

Famous last words, "We'll ask Daddy when he gets home..."

Ooh. Playing the Daddy card.

[cbut1]

I get to move. PTL!!! :dance:

[Though, the foggy beach was beautiful this morning.]



Again my dear friend?

[mamamoody]

Okay I got a question...this is something I have wondered about all 29 years of my Baptist life.


Why are there so many green bean casseroles at the pot lucks? Surely people would realize that 12 other people are going to make green bean casseroles, and the world would not end if they just made a simple jell-o salad....

Because:
1# It's cheap to make
2# It's easy to make
3# Most people like them (especially me if it's made right)

Our church (sorry, not Baptist!) has a sign-up sheet with different catagories for these functions . That way we don't end up with all those green bean casseroles!

[CID_0687]

cbut1...I must apologize for the crew here today...I attempted several times to get this thread back on track.

You know how RayMan is with his shenanigans and tomfoolery though. ;)

[Koushi Shinigami]

cbut1...I must apologize for the crew here today...I attempted several times to get this thread back on track.

You know how RayMan is with his shenanigans and tomfoolery though. ;)

IDK, Multiple independant autonomous entities, acting as the spirit moves them.... Seems pretty Baptist to me.

[RayMan]

cbut1...I must apologize for the crew here today...I attempted several times to get this thread back on track.

You know how RayMan is with his shenanigans and tomfoolery though. ;)

Yo CID,
Your pants are on fire again dude.

[cbut1]

Sorry guys my computer monitor at home has gone out for some silly reason. (maybe due to the soda I spewed out at RayMan's & Cid's posts)

I will peek in from time to time at work, see ya'll in a few days. :D

[CID_0687]

Sorry guys my computer monitor at home has gone out for some silly reason. (maybe due to the soda I spewed out at RayMan's & Cid's posts)

I will peek in from time to time at work, see ya'll in a few days. :D
Glad I could be of service. :hug:

Hope you get a good deal on a new monitor, or can get the old one fixed fairly cheap.

[5thIDSoldier]

Cbut, to get this thread back on track, why do Baptists not incorporate the ritualism found in many other denominations? I know why, but others may not and Im going to help get this thread back on track if it kills me.

[RayMan]

Cbut, to get this thread back on track, why do Baptists not incorporate the ritualism found in many other denominations? I know why, but others may not and Im going to help get this thread back on track if it kills me.

That's the old "Baptist, Baptist 'til I die" spirit at work! :mrgreen:

With over a decade as a Southern Baptist in my youth I would point out that although we avoided "ritualism" we had plenty of "traditions" and "habits" that were carved in granite. We had a definite liturgy without naming it such. We called it the "order of service" instead.

You always knew exactly how many songs would sung before the sermon and that we would be singing verses 1,2 and 4.

You knew that the first Sunday am service of each month was "Communion Sunday."

You knew the sermon was going to be 20 minutes on the dot.

You knew where all the regulars sat in the sanctuary and God save the visitor who sat down in one of those seats.

[CID_0687]

That's the old "Baptist, Baptist 'til I die" spirit at work! :mrgreen:

With over a decade as a Southern Baptist in my youth I would point out that although we avoided "ritualism" we had plenty of "traditions" and "habits" that were carved in granite. We had a definite liturgy without naming it such. We called it the "order of service" instead.

You always knew exactly how many songs would sung before the sermon and that we would be singing verses 1,2 and 4.

You knew that the first Sunday am service of each month was "Communion Sunday."

You knew the sermon was going to be 20 minutes on the dot.

You knew where all the regulars sat in the sanctuary and God save the visitor who sat down in one of those seats.
uh huh