NASCAR 2009 est. 2005

[spinach]

So with six races left before the chase and Kyle Busch in 14th, 82 points out, who has money on him making it in?

I do... but at whose expense I haven't a clue. The top three look pretty comfortable, but there is no clear gap from 4th on down this year. Pretty well all of them are vulnerable to a string of bad luck.


pee wee herman should be able to make it in-
fi he starts driving intelligently, for points.

simple formula. Same one tony stewart used to win a championship:

TURN DOWN ATTITUDE BY 20%

Works like a charm.

[Samm]

pee wee herman should be able to make it in-
fi he starts driving intelligently, for points.

simple formula. Same one tony stewart used to win a championship:

TURN DOWN ATTITUDE BY 20%

Works like a charm.

Certainly attitude got him in trouble in a few races, but of late, he has been plagued with mechanical problems... much like happened to him during the chase last year.

[WhiteHatBobby]

HORNADAY MAKS IT FIVE

Camping World Truck Series driver Ron Hornaday, Jr., 51, makes NASCAR history. He is the first driver in the modern touring-series format of NASCAR to winfive consecutive races in any series.

The last in NASCAR overall was Bobby Allison's five what is now Sprint Cup races in 1971. There were 47 races in 1971, and 13 races were less than 150 miles, including dirt tracks, including a 250-lap race affair in Long Island on a fifth-mile oval, and another 250-lap event at Albany-Saratoga Speedway in New York, when it was asphalt. Of Allison's five consecutive, they were the 600, Dover (when it went 500 miles), Michigan, Riverside (400 miles then), and a small half-mile in Houston (300 laps). The 300 lap race only had 14 cars start and Allison won just $2,200 for the fifth consecutive win.

When the trucks reconvene at Bristol, will Hornaday make it six and break his own modern touring series record?

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/truck/08/01/post.race.rhornaday.wins.nashville/index.html

[Xena]

Long Pond Weather Part Deux (http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USPA0935.html)

Current conditions as of 10:15 am EDT

Rain

Feels Like: 64°
Barometer: 29.97 in and steady
Humidity: 100%
Visibility: 2.5 mi
Dewpoint: 64°
Wind: ESE 8 mph
Sunrise: 5:57 am
Sunset: 8:17 pm

Today: Thunderstorms likely. A few storms may be severe. High 69F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph.
Tonight: Mostly cloudy skies. Scattered thunderstorms this evening. A few storms may be severe early. Low 61F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
Tomorrow: Partly cloudy. High 78F. Winds ESE at 5 to 10 mph.

[Xena]

NASCAR hopes to start between 3-3:30 p.m. ET. :eh:

[spinach]

NASCAR hopes to start between 3-3:30 p.m. ET. :eh:

they have a band of T-storms headed their way.
at best, they are gonna start about 5pm the way it looks.

[Samm]

What time is sunset?

[Xena]

There are still weather-related issues at Pocono delaying the start of the race. Sprinkles are still in the area, but the bigger problem is weepers on the race track.

[Samm]

There are a lot of weepers here at home too... :cry:

[spinach]

I think nascar should get rain tires as a part of the system.
I'd also like to see the rules changed, to use MODERN tech-
and to also allow active suspension, and traction control.

[Xena]

The race is at noon tomorrow

[Samm]

I think nascar should get rain tires as a part of the system.
I'd also like to see the rules changed, to use MODERN tech-
and to also allow active suspension, and traction control.

They are looking at it...

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/bg/08/08/rain.tires.decision/index.html

[WhiteHatBobby]

The American Speed Association from 2000 until its demise in 2003 (thanks to MTV, which destroyed short track racing) used an LS1 Chevrolet engine complete with electronics.

NASCAR should look at going to 3.5 litre V6 engines based on stock 4-cam V6's on street cars today.

[Xena]

Pennsylvania 500
(http://www.poconoraceway.com/)
Pocono | 1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 2, 2009 | Race 21 of 36
Green at 12:15 p.m. ET

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR%20Tracks/LongPond.jpg

[JimGP20]

The American Speed Association from 2000 until its demise in 2003 (thanks to MTV, which destroyed short track racing) used an LS1 Chevrolet engine complete with electronics.

NASCAR should look at going to 3.5 litre V6 engines based on stock 4-cam V6's on street cars today.



How did MTV destroy short track racing? :eh:

[Xena]

Gentlemen, start your engines!

[JimGP20]

It sucks that there's no place to watch the race on the internet. :confused:

[Xena]

How did MTV destroy short track racing? :eh:

You need a decoder ring . . .

[Xena]

Boogity, boogity, boogity!

Let's go racin' boys!

[Xena]

Montoya flying

[Xena]

Smoke up to 31

[Xena]

JJ flying

[Xena]

The 14 has a problem, going back after flying up.

A tire going down

He got four tires

[JimGP20]

The 14 has a problem, going back after flying up.

A tire going down

He got four tires

Maybe he'll stay out when they throw the yellow on lap 20.

[Xena]

It sucks that there's no place to watch the race on the internet. :confused:

You could use Leaderboard? Are you at work?

[Xena]

Tony got the lucky dawg

[JimGP20]

You could use Leaderboard? Are you at work?


Yes... at work. I was running the ESPN board, but there's too much chatter on that one, so now I'm running the leaderboard from Nascar.com. is there any better ones out there?

[Xena]

Smoke said the car was like it was in practice it almost got into the wall

[Xena]

Jim, this might help?

http://www.nascar.com/2009/races/lapbylap/08/02/lap.by.lap.pocono2/index.html

[Xena]

MRN Radio?

[Xena]

Kyle up to 7th (started 14)

[Xena]

LMAO the Old Spice Swagger with the turkey

[Xena]

Nice save for JJ - very loose

[Xena]

Jim, try this:

http://www.motorracingnetwork.com/stations.cfm/cat/Affiliate_Stations##

[Xena]

JJ almost lost it, but saved it

[Xena]

Caution 2 - Menard's right rear tire frapped

[Xena]

For Jim:

KHTY-AM 970 Bakersfield CA
KFRG-FM 95.1 Colton CA
KSLK-FM 96.1 Fresno CA
KXEX-AM 1550 Fresno CA
KLOA-AM 1240 Ridgecrest CA
KHTK-AM 1140 Sacramento CA
KTCT-AM 1050 San Francisco CA
KXFG-FM 92.9 Sun City CA
KVFG-FM 103.1 Victorville CA

http://www.motorracingnetwork.com/stations.cfm/cat/Affiliate_Stations##

[Xena]

Earlier:

Mike Wallace was blackflagged and asked to head to the garage because he didn't have a crew. :eek:

[JimGP20]

For Jim:

KHTY-AM 970 Bakersfield CA
KFRG-FM 95.1 Colton CA
KSLK-FM 96.1 Fresno CA
KXEX-AM 1550 Fresno CA
KLOA-AM 1240 Ridgecrest CA
KHTK-AM 1140 Sacramento CA
KTCT-AM 1050 San Francisco CA
KXFG-FM 92.9 Sun City CA
KVFG-FM 103.1 Victorville CA

http://www.motorracingnetwork.com/stations.cfm/cat/Affiliate_Stations##


Thanks. :D

Evidently, Tony just doesn't have it today. He seems to be getting passed by everyone. :frown:

[Xena]

Caution 3 - Debris

[Xena]

Thanks. :D

Evidently, Tony just doesn't have it today. He seems to be getting passed by everyone. :frown:

The car that he got into to the wall was the better car. So they are trying to get the chassis to behave. Also, Tony went to his high school reunion and he also might have a new "friend" who is a driver too. A blonde. :rolleyes: Tony might be over-stretched.

Don't forget that Eldora is on September 9. :dance:

[Xena]

Tony making major adjustments under caution. Crew member looking at something shock related on left rear.

Chad and Jimmie argue lightly about pit stop. Chad wants Jimmie to get out in front of cars and said he's leaving lane open.

Denny was warned to stay in line on restart to green flag.

Didn't gain a position since he was leading but can't change lanes.

From Tony and Darien's conversation it sounds like maybe they have found the problem and can start working on it.

[Xena]

Lap 97 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 4: Caution is out after Bobby Labonte spins in Turn 3. Paul Menard gets the free pass.

Lap 96 -- Tony Stewart finally hits pit road ending this round of green-flag stops.

Lap 95 -- Tony Stewart stays out but is losing time as he now runs fourth behind Denny Hamlin, Jimmie Johnson and Carl Edwards.

Lap 94 -- LEAD CHANGE: Marcos Ambrose pits giving the lead to Denny Hamlin. Tony Stewart is the only car to not pit yet.

Lap 93 -- LEAD CHANGE: Marcos Ambrose takes the lead as Matt Kenseth and David Ragan stop for four tires and fuel.

[Xena]

Still, the 14 is a 15th car.

[Xena]

Logano moving well

[Xena]

Jimmie has a problem. Plug wire?

[Xena]

It was the plug wire and they fixed it.

[Xena]

JJ is having problems

[Xena]

Lap 112 -- Tony Stewart is 10th, Carl Edwards is 11th and Mark Martin is 12th.

JJ needs to be at least 59.4 mph

[Xena]

Kasey is flying.

[Xena]

Lap 114 -- Jimmie Johnson has been warned by NASCAR to pick up his speed as he is not maintaining the minimum.

Lap 113 -- The problem on the No. 48 doesn't seem to be fixed as Jimmie Johnson continues to lose time on the straightaway.

[Xena]

Dale Jr. just brushed the wall in the short chute.

He asked inspectors to look at the right side of his car.

[Xena]

Kahne leads by 2.3 seconds

[Xena]

Denny Hamlin up to 2nd

[Xena]

Newman in the pits - too loose. He's been in 6th.

[Xena]

The 48 - the pit crew trying to find the problem

[Xena]

Lap 142 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 5: David Ragan slams the wall in Turn 3 but is able to continue. Paul Menard gets the free pass for the third time today.

[Xena]

Hornish fastest at this time

[Xena]

JJ 2 laps down after working on the engine, etc.

[Xena]

Ballsy move by Montoya to get at least one position

[Xena]

Lap 149 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 6: Robby Gordon spins and hits the wall in Turn 3 after contact with David Stremme. Jimmie Johnson gets the free pass and gets one of his laps back.

Robby said it was on purpose. :think:

[Xena]

Now JJ is only 1 lap due to the 5th caution.

They are working on the 48 now (again).

[Xena]

Lap 158 -- Tony Stewart, Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Joey Logano among the 20 cars to pit.

Lap 157 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 7: Robby Gordon bumped David Stremme and Stremme wasn't thrilled about it spinning the No. 7 for a second time. Jimmie Johnson gets the free pass and is two laps down.

[spinach]

Stremme got a 5 lap penalty.....

he deserved it
and if he bumps another car now...I bet he gets parked

[spinach]

I bet we get a pile up soon
someone starting in about 10th on back

[Xena]

Jim - try this:

http://www.justin.tv/nascarpovvver

[Xena]

Lap 165 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 8: Debris in Turn 3 brings out the caution. Jimmie Johnson gets the free pass and is one lap down.

cough, cough

[Xena]

Caution 9 - David Reutimann and Marcos Ambrose get together after Denny Hamlin bumps Reutimann. Ambrose and Reutimann with heavy damage. Jimmie Johnson gets the free pass and will return to the lead lap after being three laps down.

[Xena]

Logano fastest

[Xena]

Lap 180 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 10: Big crash in Turn 1 collecting Reed Sorenson, Joey Logano, Michael Waltrip, Bobby Labonte, Jeff Burton and David Reutimann after David Ragan bumps Labonte.

[Xena]

Johnson and Biffle on pit road

[Xena]

14 to go - hope will a good finish, not wrecking all over the track.

[Xena]

Harvick into Gordon

[Xena]

Bowyer major loose - saved it

[Xena]

4 to go

[Xena]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR/CheckeredFlag2.gif

Congrats to Denny Hamlin!

[Xena]

Pennsylvania 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/21/data/results_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Race Results | Pocono
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 2, 2009 | Race 21 of 36

FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 6 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Express 195/10 200 Running
2 10 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 170/0 200 Running
3 16 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet The Hartford 170/5 200 Running
4 29 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge PPG 160/0 200 Running
5 8 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 160/5 200 Running
6 15 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 150/0 200 Running
7 9 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Cheez-It/Carquest 151/5 200 Running
8 3 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 142/0 200 Running
9 4 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 143/5 200 Running
10 1 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice Swagger 134/0 200 Running
11 12 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 135/5 200 Running
12 23 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 127/0 200 Running
13 2 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 129/5 200 Running
14 7 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 121/0 200 Running
15 11 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 118/0 200 Running
16 14 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 115/0 200 Running
17 27 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Valvoline 112/0 200 Running
18 5 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 109/0 200 Running
19 24 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 106/0 200 Running
20 20 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 103/0 200 Running
21 17 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 100/0 200 Running
22 30 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 97/0 200 Running
23 37 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 94/0 200 Running
24 25 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley Tools 91/0 200 Running
25 21 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 88/0 200 Running
26 33 98 Paul Menard Ford Moen/Menards 85/0 200 Running
27 19 20 Joey Logano * Toyota The Home Depot 82/0 200 Running
28 22 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy/National Guard 79/0 200 Running
29 13 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 81/5 200 Running
30 35 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell 78/5 200 Running
31 31 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 70/0 198 Running
32 32 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 67/0 196 Running
33 34 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Robby Gordon Motorsports 64/0 195 Running
34 18 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota iRacing.com/Kingsford/Clorox 66/5 192 Running
35 26 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge U.S. Air Force 58/0 185 Running
36 28 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 55/0 180 Running

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Pennsylvania 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Driver Standings | Pocono
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 2, 2009 | Race 21 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Tony Stewart 3188 Leader 21 0 2 12 17
2 -- Jimmie Johnson 2991 -197 21 0 3 9 14
3 -- Jeff Gordon 2989 -199 21 0 1 10 15
4 -- Kurt Busch 2751 -437 21 0 1 6 11
5 +1 Denny Hamlin 2713 -475 21 0 1 7 9
6 -1 Carl Edwards 2665 -523 21 0 0 5 9
7 +1 Kasey Kahne 2642 -546 21 0 1 4 9
8 +2 Juan Montoya 2631 -557 21 1 0 1 10
9 -2 Ryan Newman 2627 -561 21 1 0 5 9
10 -1 Mark Martin 2622 -566 21 4 4 6 11
11 +1 Matt Kenseth 2564 -624 21 1 2 4 8
12 -1 Greg Biffle 2563 -625 21 0 0 6 9
CHASE FOR THE Sprint CUP - CURRENT CONTENDERS
13 +1 Kyle Busch 2462 -726 21 1 3 4 6
14 +1 Brian Vickers 2459 -729 21 5 0 3 10
15 +1 Clint Bowyer 2448 -740 21 0 0 4 8
16 -3 David Reutimann 2442 -746 21 2 1 4 6
17 -- Jeff Burton 2301 -887 21 0 0 2 6
18 -- Marcos Ambrose 2241 -947 21 0 0 2 5
19 -- Joey Logano * 2165 -1023 21 0 1 1 4
20 -- Jamie McMurray 2163 -1025 21 0 0 0 3
21 -- Casey Mears 2086 -1102 21 0 0 0 2
22 +1 Kevin Harvick 2066 -1122 21 0 0 2 3
23 -1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 2062 -1126 21 0 0 1 3
24 -- Martin Truex Jr. 2038 -1150 21 1 0 0 3
25 -- Elliott Sadler 2015 -1173 21 0 0 1 3
26 +1 A.J. Allmendinger 1985 -1203 21 0 0 1 3
27 +2 Sam Hornish Jr. 1966 -1222 21 0 0 1 5
28 -2 Reed Sorenson 1941 -1247 21 0 0 0 1
29 -1 Bobby Labonte 1928 -1260 21 0 0 1 1
30 -- David Ragan 1896 -1292 21 0 0 0 1
31 -- David Stremme 1766 -1422 21 0 0 0 0
32 +1 Paul Menard 1723 -1465 21 0 0 0 0
33 -1 Michael Waltrip 1712 -1476 20 0 0 0 1
34 -- Robby Gordon 1672 -1516 21 0 0 1 1
35 -- Scott Speed * 1437 -1751 20 0 0 1 1


*rookie

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

How did MTV destroy short track racing? :eh:

Let me explain how MTV ruined short track racing:

1999 - CBS management in Nashville, angry at the takeover by Viacom, not knowing their fate, fired back after losing the NASCAR contract by purchasing 25% of the American Speed Association and a television contract for the Midwestern short-track series that gives them a five-year deal to air the 20-race short track series with live coverage. The series had just "graduated" Jimmie Johnson (Herzog Motorsports) to the Nationwide Series for 2000. CBS also renews its deal with the World of Outlaws for live racing, including the prestigious King's Royal and Amoco Knoxville Nationals, with Ralph Sheheen, Brad Doty, and Steve Evans.

A change in formulae was set for 2000, with the 9:1 V6 engines replaced by a crate LS1 Chevrolet V8 engine.

The LS1 would be built by Katech (which builds GM's Corvette Racing engines) and be stock, with stock fuel injection and stock parts from the street LS1, including a catalytic converter, muffler (required in ASA because of noise ordinances), and unleaded fuel.

The engines would be sealed and could be rebuilt by the manufacturer. Gary St. Amant, a Midwestern short-tracker, would run the entire 2000 season on one engine, winning the championship.

April 2000 - New MTV Networks management, while not in charge of CBS Cable operations, pull off a controversial move at Texas Motor Speedway. During CBS' coverage of the Albertsons 300 NNS race, a rain delay comes, and instead of a push to TNN, as was the case the previous year, the MTV management pull the race coverage away and dumps racing for a movie. This move infuriated NASCAR, Mike Joy (play-by-play announcer), and the CBS production staff.

May 2000 - Viacom takeover complete, CBS Cable staff phasing out begins.

September 2000 - MTV National replaces The Nashville Network. CBS Nashville (at Grand Ole Opry) shut down, MTV National and CMT move to MTV's headquarters in New York. David Hall (now part of the National Stock Car Racing Commission) refuses to join MTV.

November 2000 - CBS Charlotte (in charge of the CBS/TNN/Turner motorsports operation; located at LMS) shuts down. MTV in total control. Evans, one of the legendary CBS Charlotte-based announcers, dies while in Las Vegas for the WoO Finals.

August 2001 - ASA files a complaint against MTV in an Indiana court. MTV announced MTV National (now Spike) would air on tape the final two races of the ACDelco Challenge Series, the races at the Minnesota State Fair and the Night Before F1 at ORP. ASA files an injunction, and an executive blasted MTV, stating, "(MTV) has decided to get out of the motorsports broadcasting business, despite the fact we still have three years remaining on the original media broadcast rights agreement."

Brian Robbins, the son of ASA owner Rex, said, "When we entered into the agreement with (The Nashville Network - CBS Cable) in January of 2000, both parties viewed the relationship as a ‘win-win’ situation. The spirit of the agreement called for (CBS) to help ASA grow its business through its equity ownership position. Unfortunately, with the change of ownership, it appears the new management (MTV) does not have the same vision for the partnership as we had with (CBS) at the time we made the agreement.”

The World of Outlaws was also moved from live to tape by MTV. By the end of 2001, MTV killed all "remnant" motorsports contracts inherited from CBS. That included the Amoco Knoxville Nationals, the most prestigious race in sprint car racing. MTV's mistreatment of the WoO was the catalyst three years later that led to a split in the sport.

It is also said that MTV also was very unfaithful in killing CBS Nashville that they lost the Grand Ole Opry broadcast contract to Scripps' Great American Country (GAC), and MTV yet still wields power by forcing GAC in many areas to be on premium digital cable while MTV's networks (MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, Spike, BET, CMT) to be basic.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2001/08/22/027958.html

[WhiteHatBobby]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Please Stand for the National Anthem:

May Japan's Reign
Last for ten thousand years
May her stones turn to rocks
May those rocks turn to boulders
May Japan Reign and Flourish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4C4b0RitY

[Xena]

You just can't help yourself can you WHB? You need help.

[Xena]

Pennsylvania 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/stats/season_driver_rating.html)
Season Leaders: Driver Rating | Pocono
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 2, 2009 | Race 21 of 36


RANK CAR DRIVER PTS. STANDING POS. HIGH RATING DRIVER RATING
1 48 Jimmie Johnson 2 150.0 110.7
2 14 Tony Stewart 1 141.5 105.0
3 24 Jeff Gordon 3 134.0 101.6
4 2 Kurt Busch 4 150.0 99.3
5 11 Denny Hamlin 5 148.6 98.9
6 18 Kyle Busch 13 149.2 98.5
7 5 Mark Martin 10 145.6 97.4
8 99 Carl Edwards 6 138.5 93.7
9 9 Kasey Kahne 7 132.4 90.1
10 16 Greg Biffle 12 128.3 89.6
11 42 Juan Pablo Montoya 8 131.7 87.3
12 83 Brian Vickers 14 121.6 85.7
13 17 Matt Kenseth 11 131.4 84.4
14 39 Ryan Newman 9 115.3 82.4
15 00 David Reutimann 16 107.8 80.4
16 33 Clint Bowyer 15 112.7 79.9
17 31 Jeff Burton 17 111.0 76.4
18 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 23 117.2 76.2
19 26 Jamie McMurray 20 91.8 73.2
20 1 Martin Truex Jr. 24 122.4 72.9
21 47 Marcos Ambrose 18 113.6 69.5
22 29 Kevin Harvick 22 105.8 69.1
23 77 Sam Hornish Jr. 27 93.8 66.8
24 20 Joey Logano * 19 106.0 66.7
25 6 David Ragan 30 96.0 65.2
26 44 AJ Allmendinger 26 102.2 64.1
27 12 David Stremme 31 82.7 61.7
28 43 Reed Sorenson 28 85.1 59.8
29 07 Casey Mears 21 90.1 59.1
30 96 Bobby Labonte 29 103.7 57.9
31 19 Elliott Sadler 25 94.7 57.9
32 98 Paul Menard 32 84.7 52.2
33 55 Michael Waltrip 33 81.2 51.6
34 7 Robby Gordon 34 68.5 51.2
35 82 Scott Speed * 35 69.5 45.5



*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/Worth1000Words/ChinaTakesOverGM2009.jpg?t=1243886971


March of the Volunteers

Arise, ye who refuse to be slaves!

Let us amount our flesh and blood towards our new Great Wall!

The Chinese nation faces its greatest peril,

The thundering roar of our peoples will be heard!

Arise! Arise! Arise!

We are many, but our hearts beat as one!

Selflessly braving the enemy's gunfire, march on!

Selflessly braving the enemy's gunfire, march on!

March on! March on! on!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/Worth1000Words/EP-3HainanIsland2001-1.jpg

People's Republic of China (PRC), commonly known as Communist China or simply China, has control over mainland China and the largely self-governing territories of Hong Kong (since 1997) and Macau (since 1999). Flag of the Republic of China Republic of China (ROC), commonly known as Taiwan or Nationalist China, has control over the islands of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, and Matsu.

Well isn't that special?

[WhiteHatBobby]

Start and Park Team Busted!

Larry Gunselman's team (#64) was busted by NASCAR for the ruse.

According to the team, with driver Mike Wallace, the team was black-flagged for violations on Lap 11. NASCAR's reasoning was "Safety Violation, Pit, No Crew."

After the Rockingham fiasco in 2004 of a start-and-park team, NASCAR imposed a new rule for Sprint Cup racing mandating a pit cart and pit crew in an effort to stop the start and park ruses that had developed. Turns out on Lap 11 today, the #64, a start and park team, was busted for a "safety violation," which was the intended start and park.

[Xena]

For those that missed it, ESPN will be rebroadcasting the race on ESPN2 tonight at 9pm ET.

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/22/data/entry_list.html)
Entry List | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36


CAR DRIVER HOMETOWN MAKE SPONSOR OWNER
00 David Reutimann Zephyrhills, FL Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine Michael Waltrip
1 Martin Truex Jr. Mayetta, NJ Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker Teresa Earnhardt
2 Kurt Busch Las Vegas, NV Dodge Miller Lite Walter Czarnecki
5 Mark Martin Batesville, AR Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's Mary Hendrick
6 David Ragan Unadilla, GA Ford UPS John Henry
7 Robby Gordon Orange, CA Toyota Jim Beam Robby Gordon
07 Casey Mears Bakersfield, CA Chevrolet Jack Daniel's Richard Childress
08 Terry Labonte Corpus Christi, TX Ford Carter/Simo Racing John Carter
9 Kasey Kahne Enumclaw, WA Dodge Budweiser George Gillett, Jr
09 Ron Fellows Mississauga, Ontario Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming James Finch
11 Denny Hamlin Chesterfield, VA Toyota FedEx Freight J D Gibbs
12 David Stremme South Bend, IN Dodge Penske Racing Roger Penske
14 Tony Stewart Rushville, IN Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot Margaret Haas
16 Greg Biffle Vancouver, WA Ford 3M Jack Roush
17 Matt Kenseth Cambridge, WI Ford Dewalt John Henry
18 Kyle Busch Las Vegas, NV Toyota M&M's Joe Gibbs
19 Elliott Sadler Emporia, VA Dodge Best Buy George Gillett, Jr
20 Joey Logano* Middletown, CT Toyota The Home Depot Joe Gibbs
24 Jeff Gordon Pittsboro, IN Chevrolet DuPont Rick Hendrick
26 Jamie McMurray Joplin, MO Ford Crown Royal Geoff Smith
29 Kevin Harvick Bakersfield, CA Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil Richard Childress
31 Jeff Burton South Boston, VA Chevrolet Caterpillar Richard Childress
33 Clint Bowyer Emporia, KS Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper Bobby Ginn III
34 John Andretti Indianapolis, IN Chevrolet Taco Bell Teresa Earnhardt
36 Brian Simo Carlsbad, CA Toyota Tommy Baldwin Racing Tommy Baldwin
37 Tony Raines La Porte, IN Chevrolet Long John Silver's Brad Jenkins
39 Ryan Newman South Bend, IN Chevrolet U.S. Army Tony Stewart
42 Juan Montoya Bogota, Colombia Chevrolet Target Teresa Earnhardt
43 Reed Sorenson Peachtree City, GA Dodge McDonald's Richard Petty
44 A.J. Allmendinger Los Gatos, CA Dodge Stanley Tools George Gillett, Jr
47 Marcos Ambrose Launceston, Tasmania Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox Rob Kauffman
48 Jimmie Johnson El Cajon, CA Chevrolet Lowe's Jeff Gordon
55 Patrick Carpentier Joliette, Quebec Toyota NAPA Auto Parts Michael Waltrip


*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

I did not get in here during the race... but it is still worth pointing out that both the 14 and 48 teams showed why they are championship contenders. That was an impressive performance by both. I hope neither gets dumped on by lady luck during the Chase... This could be a great season finish.


In spite of Little Big Ears sorry performance, I still bet he makes the Chase... both he and the team are much better than that.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Doing the math . . .

If Tony Stewart can pad his lead over Kyle Busch by 56 more points Sunday, then Stewart will become the first driver to clinch a playoff spot. If Stewart's lead over 13th is 781 points, then he will be the first to lock. Nobody else can lock in at Watkins Glen.

[Samm]

Doing the math . . .

If Tony Stewart can pad his lead over Kyle Busch by 56 more points Sunday, then Stewart will become the first driver to clinch a playoff spot. If Stewart's lead over 13th is 781 points, then he will be the first to lock. Nobody else can lock in at Watkins Glen.

Yes... and realistically (not mathematically,) everyone from 21st (Mears) on down is eliminated from the Chase. Unfortunately, Jr. is in that group. It is somewhat ironic that Mears is doing better than Jr. without the Hendrick car... :neutral:

[Xena]

Watkins Glen Weather (http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY1528.html)

Current conditions as of 10:53 am EDT
Partly Cloudy

Feels Like: 71°
Barometer: 30.13 in and rising
Humidity: 51%
Visibility: 10 mi
Dewpoint: 52°
Wind: WNW 16 mph
Sunrise: 6:06 am
Sunset: 8:19 pm

Today: A mix of clouds and sun. High 74F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph.

Tonight: Partly cloudy skies. Low near 55F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph.

Tomorrow: Intervals of clouds and sunshine in the morning with more clouds for later in the day. Slight chance of an afternoon shower. High around 75F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph.

Tomorrow night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 62F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%.

Sunday: Scattered thunderstorms possible. Highs in the mid 80s and lows in the low 70s.

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/22/data/practice1_speeds.html/)
Practice 1 | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 124.362 70.922 Leader
2 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 123.535 71.397 -0.475
3 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 123.386 71.483 -0.561
4 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 123.370 71.492 -0.570
5 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 123.263 71.554 -0.632
6 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 123.231 71.573 -0.651
7 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 123.203 71.589 -0.667
8 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 122.899 71.766 -0.844
9 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 122.797 71.826 -0.904
10 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 122.786 71.832 -0.910
11 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 122.744 71.857 -0.935
12 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Stanley Tools 122.669 71.901 -0.979
13 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 122.631 71.923 -1.001
14 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 122.602 71.940 -1.018
15 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 122.599 71.942 -1.020
16 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 122.583 71.951 -1.029
17 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 122.498 72.001 -1.079
18 113 Max Papis* Toyota GEICO 122.490 72.006 -1.084
19 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 122.486 72.008 -1.086
20 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 122.456 72.026 -1.104
21 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 122.430 72.041 -1.119
22 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 122.405 72.056 -1.134
23 08 Boris Said Ford U.S. Chrome 122.335 72.097 -1.175
24 98 Paul Menard Ford Sylvania/Menards 122.272 72.134 -1.212
25 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 122.271 72.135 -1.213
26 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 122.240 72.153 -1.231
27 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy 122.157 72.202 -1.280
28 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge McDonald's 122.039 72.272 -1.350
29 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 121.778 72.427 -1.505
30 20 Joey Logano* Toyota The Home Depot 121.727 72.457 -1.535
31 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 121.617 72.523 -1.601
32 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 121.285 72.721 -1.799
33 09 Ron Fellows Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 121.180 72.784 -1.862
34 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 121.104 72.830 -1.908
35 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 121.069 72.851 -1.929
36 171 Andy Lally Chevrolet Adobe Road Winery 120.779 73.026 -2.104
37 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 120.693 73.078 -2.156
38 82 Scott Speed* Toyota Red Bull 120.663 73.096 -2.174


*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/22/data/lineup.html)
Lineup | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36


POS CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR SPEED TIME BEHIND
1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 123.633 71.340 Leader
2 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 123.619 71.348 -0.008
3 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 123.093 71.653 -0.313
4 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 123.045 71.681 -0.341
5 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 122.824 71.810 -0.470
6 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 122.652 71.911 -0.571
7 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 122.519 71.989 -0.649
8 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 122.514 71.992 -0.652
9 08 Boris Said Ford U.S. Chrome 122.495 72.003 -0.663
10 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 122.081 72.247 -0.907
11 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 122.039 72.272 -0.932
12 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 121.872 72.371 -1.031
13 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 121.864 72.376 -1.036
14 98 Paul Menard Ford Sylvania/Menards 121.759 72.438 -1.098
15 171 Andy Lally Chevrolet Adobe Road Winery 121.722 72.460 -1.120
16 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 121.654 72.501 -1.161
17 55 Patrick Carpentier Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 121.509 72.587 -1.247
18 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Stanley Tools 121.427 72.636 -1.296
19 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy 121.377 72.666 -1.326
20 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 121.359 72.677 -1.337
21 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 121.315 72.703 -1.363
22 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 121.284 72.722 -1.382
23 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 121.279 72.725 -1.385
24 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 121.254 72.740 -1.400
25 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 121.247 72.744 -1.404
26 82 Scott Speed* Toyota Red Bull 121.186 72.781 -1.441
27 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 121.117 72.822 -1.482
28 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge McDonald's 121.109 72.827 -1.487
29 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 121.109 72.827 -1.487
30 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 121.071 72.850 -1.510
31 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 121.046 72.865 -1.525
32 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevy National Guard/Amp Energy 121.009 72.887 -1.547
33 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 120.993 72.897 -1.557
34 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell 120.848 72.984 -1.644
35 20 Joey Logano * Toyota The Home Depot 120.839 72.990 -1.650
36 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 120.615 73.125 -1.785
37 09 Ron Fellows Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 120.581 73.146 -1.806


+Set by Owner Points
*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/22/data/practice2_speeds.html/)
Practice 2 | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 122.643 71.916 Leader
2 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 122.379 72.071 -0.155
3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 122.335 72.097 -0.181
4 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 122.316 72.108 -0.192
5 113 Max Papis* Toyota GEICO 122.267 72.137 -0.221
6 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 122.120 72.224 -0.308
7 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 122.066 72.256 -0.340
8 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Stanley Tools 121.936 72.333 -0.417
9 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 121.860 72.378 -0.462
10 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 121.847 72.386 -0.470
11 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy 121.827 72.398 -0.482
12 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 121.816 72.404 -0.488
13 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 121.761 72.437 -0.521
14 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 121.602 72.532 -0.616
15 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 121.513 72.585 -0.669
16 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 121.489 72.599 -0.683
17 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 121.483 72.603 -0.687
18 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 121.330 72.694 -0.778
19 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 121.285 72.721 -0.805
20 98 Paul Menard Ford Sylvania/Menards 121.274 72.728 -0.812
21 20 Joey Logano * Toyota The Home Depot 121.254 72.740 -0.824
22 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 121.247 72.744 -0.828
23 55 Patrick Carpentier Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 121.242 72.747 -0.831
24 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 121.240 72.748 -0.832
25 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 121.184 72.782 -0.866
26 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 121.175 72.787 -0.871
27 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 121.175 72.787 -0.871
28 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 121.091 72.838 -0.922
29 171 Andy Lally Chevrolet Adobe Road Winery 120.880 72.965 -1.049
30 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevy National Guard/Amp Energy 120.865 72.974 -1.058
31 08 Boris Said Ford U.S. Chrome 120.795 73.016 -1.100
32 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 120.673 73.090 -1.174
33 09 Ron Fellows Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 120.607 73.130 -1.214
34 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 120.591 73.140 -1.224
35 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 120.587 73.142 -1.226
36 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 120.475 73.210 -1.294
37 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge McDonald's 120.418 73.245 -1.329
38 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell 120.036 73.478 -1.562
39 37 Tony Ave Dodge Long John Silver's 120.020 73.488 -1.572
40 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 119.997 73.502 -1.586
41 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 119.494 73.811 -1.895
42 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 119.459 73.833 -1.917
43 204 P.J. Jones Toyota Jim Beam/Menards 119.331 73.912 -1.996



*rookie

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Please Stand for the National Anthems:

Australia's sons let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In hist'ry's page, let ev'ry stage
Advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia fair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSry4MobvkA

NOTE: This is the pre-PC version of the National Anthem. What we'd call "politically correct" revisions were made in 1984.

君が代は
千代に八千代に
さざれ石の
いわおとなりて
こけのむすまで

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcVYSS-Uv0

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/22/data/practice3_speeds.html/)
Practice 3 | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 123.021 71.695 Leader
2 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 122.483 72.010 -0.315
3 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 122.189 72.183 -0.488
4 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 122.149 72.207 -0.512
5 08 Boris Said Ford U.S. Chrome 122.096 72.238 -0.543
6 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 121.963 72.317 -0.622
7 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 121.961 72.318 -0.623
8 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 121.950 72.325 -0.630
9 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 121.867 72.374 -0.679
10 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 121.827 72.398 -0.703
11 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 121.731 72.455 -0.760
12 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 121.729 72.456 -0.761
13 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 121.701 72.473 -0.778
14 20 Joey Logano * Toyota The Home Depot 121.687 72.481 -0.786
15 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 121.675 72.488 -0.793
16 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 121.665 72.494 -0.799
17 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 121.657 72.499 -0.804
18 55 Patrick Carpentier Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 121.647 72.505 -0.810
19 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 121.622 72.520 -0.825
20 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 121.568 72.552 -0.857
21 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 121.504 72.590 -0.895
22 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 121.499 72.593 -0.898
23 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 121.454 72.620 -0.925
24 98 Paul Menard Ford Sylvania/Menards 121.424 72.638 -0.943
25 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 121.417 72.642 -0.947
26 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 121.349 72.683 -0.988
27 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Stanley Tools 121.254 72.740 -1.045
28 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 121.209 72.767 -1.072
29 09 Ron Fellows Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 121.196 72.775 -1.080
30 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 121.126 72.817 -1.122
31 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 121.092 72.837 -1.142
32 171 Andy Lally Chevrolet Adobe Road Winery 121.091 72.838 -1.143
33 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 120.945 72.926 -1.231
34 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy 120.782 73.024 -1.329
35 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevy National Guard/Amp Energy 120.599 73.135 -1.440
36 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 120.574 73.150 -1.455
37 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 120.410 73.250 -1.555
38 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge McDonald's 120.405 73.253 -1.558


*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Watkins Glen Weather (http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY1528.html)

Current conditions as of 12:09 am EDT

Light Rain
Feels Like: 64°
Barometer: 30.15 in and steady
Humidity: 88%
Visibility: 4 mi
Dewpoint: 61°
Wind: N 3 mph
Sunrise: 6:07 am
Sunset: 8:18 pm

Tonight: Rain showers early will evolve into a more steady rain overnight. Low 63F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

Tomorrow: Thunderstorms likely. A few storms may be severe. High 84F. Winds SW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80%.

Tomorrow night: Scattered thunderstorms in the evening, with mostly cloudy skies overnight. Warm. Low 72F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%.

Monday: Partly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms. High 87F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

[spinach]

Anyone think that Dale Jr. is all washed up?
or just in a slump, like Jeff Gordon was all last year?

I think the guy has something going on. He's a better driver than his finishes show.
And I think he also needs to reexamine his racing style and adapt some.

Dale Senior was a master at adaptation. Many times I've seen him take a particularly bad car, and still get a top 10 out of it. I didn't like Dale Sr all that much, but he was a very very good racer, and a master at adapting to the track when his car would not work where he wanted it to work. Dale Jr. does not seem to have that talent [so far].

[WhiteHatBobby]

Sprint Cup cars do not race in the rain, unlike their Nationwide counterparts. We need to get 46 laps in Sunday.

One odd thought: Dale Jnr has been better in even years, but not in odd years. Any coincidence?

[spinach]

Watkins Glen Weather (http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY1528.html)

Current conditions as of 12:09 am EDT

Light Rain
Feels Like: 64°
Barometer: 30.15 in and steady
Humidity: 88%
Visibility: 4 mi
Dewpoint: 61°
Wind: N 3 mph
Sunrise: 6:07 am
Sunset: 8:18 pm

Tonight: Rain showers early will evolve into a more steady rain overnight. Low 63F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

Tomorrow: Thunderstorms likely. A few storms may be severe. High 84F. Winds SW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80%.

Tomorrow night: Scattered thunderstorms in the evening, with mostly cloudy skies overnight. Warm. Low 72F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%.

Monday: Partly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms. High 87F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

that doesn't look too good.
looks like we might have another monday race.
:(

[Xena]

that doesn't look too good.
looks like we might have another monday race.
:(

Yes, bummer. Favorite race evah!

[spinach]

there is one driver who is better at adaptation than Dale Sr was
and that's Jimmie Johnson.

However, I think the best racer on the track right now is Tony Stewart.
Johnson has a great team, great engines, and a great crew chief, and it's not to hard to get top 15s or better when you have that.

Also, Mark Martin is really shining this year. I think he should retire after this year, because I don't think he will ever see another 4 win season, much less a 1 win season. I'd like to see him go out in style.
Now if he wins the championship....the heck with what I think...:))

[spinach]

Yes, bummer. Favorite race evah!

Yep.
I always love this race because it's one of the hardest to win.
I think the only one harder to win is Bristol.
Bristols even hard to finish, much less win.

[Wild Bill03]

Also, Mark Martin is really shining this year. I think he should retire after this year, because I don't think he will ever see another 4 win season, much less a 1 win season. I'd like to see him go out in style.
Now if he wins the championship....the heck with what I think...:))


Its too bad Martin spent all his time with Roush, now that hes with a better team he shows that he was better than his carrier shows.

A big part of Johnsons success is having the best crew chief in NASCAR.

And I think Dale Sr. really kept Dale Jr's head on straight as a driver. The more time goes by without him the farther off Jr. gets. But I think he can pull it all back together.

[spinach]

something I just can't see the point of, is why did Sprint go to the COT, instead of just going all out and bringing in modern cars? why use 20 year old tech?

they would have been better off to just go modern.
Use modern regular cars, and strip off all the emission control crap. Soup them up for racing.
then they would be able to do REAL testing on modern cars to where modern cars could be improved.
they would be putting modern equipment under the harshest possible conditions to see how it holds up.

[Xena]

something I just can't see the point of, is why did Sprint go to the COT, instead of just going all out and bringing in modern cars? why use 20 year old tech?

they would have been better off to just go modern.
Use modern regular cars, and strip off all the emission control crap. Soup them up for racing.
then they would be able to do REAL testing on modern cars to where modern cars could be improved.
they would be putting modern equipment under the harshest possible conditions to see how it holds up.

Well, there is talk about changing things. The COT is too top-heavy. The guys figured to put anything on the bottom of the car which helps, but the changes will make the COT a better race car.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Churchill warned that those who forget history were doomed to repeat it again. NASCAR is reluctant to go to monocoques because of cost and construction issues. Monocoque racers in the 1950's such as the Fabulous Hudson Hornet did dominate in the early days of dirt tracks, but when raced at the Daytona 500 in the early days, they were very flimsy. Some drivers were severely injured and crash damage was bad after the crash-laden 1960 Daytona 500 that NASCAR had to take two races off the calendar in order for teams to be able to repair the cars.

Furthermore, as independent drivers learned in the 1960's, it was much easier to "upgrade" cars that use a ladder frame when model year changes were made. It was much easier to swap off new noses and tails than buying new monocoques each year.

Personally, I think fuel injection can work. The American Speed Association tried it decently until MTV destroyed them. Kyle Busch raced in that series in 2002 when it was in decline because of the previous season's MTV debacle, as he wasn't eligible in NASCAR after rules were rewritten after the CART FedEx Championship Series incident at Fontana. At the time, Mr. Busch was 16 and racing Trucks for Roush, then sponsored by Hugo Chávez; during the Fontana FedEx Championship/Craftsman Truck weekend, CART tossed him out of the NASCAR garage because of requests by CART sponsors. He promptly raced a season in the ASA. Reed Sorenson also raced in the ASA, as did Scott Wimmer, with the fuel injected formula. Jimmie Johnson also tested the formula in its early years, as did Ted Smokstad, whose siblings are in the Sprint Cup garage. Johnny Sauter also raced with this formula. The cars were slower, the power was less, but the reliability was up with truly stock engines.

[Xena]

WhiteHatBobby, I've asked you to stop trolling after a race when the winner has a Toyota. You've refused, so I reported you and DaGooseMon said "Bobby, knock it off."

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1587031

[WhiteHatBobby]

OK Xena.

I also had to sing the Australian National Anthem for Marcos last night . . .

Maybe I've watched one too many F1 races!

[Xena]

Thanks WHB

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen
(http://www.theglen.com/)
Watkins Glen | 1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36
Green at 2:18 p.m. ET

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR%20Tracks/WatkinsGlen.jpg

[Xena]

12:45 p.m. ET -- After morning showers, the track at Watkins Glen is dry and it is currently a beautiful day at Watkins Glen International. It's 76 degrees but the area is under a severe thunderstorm watch for the afternoon with a 90 percent chance of rain in the afternoon.

<crossing fingers>

[spinach]

12:45 p.m. ET -- After morning showers, the track at Watkins Glen is dry and it is currently a beautiful day at Watkins Glen International. It's 76 degrees but the area is under a severe thunderstorm watch for the afternoon with a 90 percent chance of rain in the afternoon.

<crossing fingers>


I just checked the radar!!

looks great!!
I hope we can get the WHOLE race in.
:)

[spinach]

crap.
I zoomed out...wider view.

Severe line of storms moving SE, will hit the track, 100% certain.

bummer.

should be over the track in 45-65 mins.
It is moving fast, so they MIGHT have a ghost of a chance at drying the track.
but it don't look good.

[Xena]

Lightning :(

[Xena]

Guys are getting out of the their cars :((

[Xena]

2:10 p.m. -- The grandstands are being cleared as a severe thunderstorm warning has been issued for the track.

2:09 p.m. -- The spotters are being called off the roof, drivers are being pulled from the cars and the crews are covering up the cars.

2:08 p.m. -- :Lightning off the horizon has delayed the command to start engines.

[spinach]

the rain has come.
and looking at the radar, it will continue rather heavy for at least 2 hours.
No way we race today.

bummer
:(

[Xena]

Tornado warning issued 25 mi west of The Glen.
14 minutes ago from web

[WhiteHatBobby]

The call was right after spotters witnessed lightning. We see in college baseball (remember, there are many former college athletes who work pit road) once lightning is spotted, everyone must leave the field immediately and play is suspended until 30 minutes after the last lightning flash is detected. Players will usually activate the tarps.

We could have started at 1 PM, but we'd be barely iffy on getting even 46 laps in. Once the lightning was spotted, the race would immediately be stopped under lightning rules. A 30-minute delay would have struck at 2:10 PM, so at minimum we would have been able to get with a 1:01 PM green flag and no yellows would be 56 laps, since it takes about 1:15 a lap. This is without yellows.

[Xena]

It's raining very hard :((

[Xena]

3:17 p.m. -- The rain is now a drizzle as the storm looks to have moved past the track. Drying efforts continue as it will take a couple hours to get the track race-ready.

2:51 p.m. -- Track drying has started at Watkins Glen despite it still raining.

[spinach]

I'd be amazed if we can race today.

If they can start by 5:00 we have a chance.

[WhiteHatBobby]

And remember 220.5 miles could realistically be done in less than two hours if NASCAR race control decides cautions will be used only for oil and more serious incidents. A good race under 2 1/2 hours could get a start within 30 minutes with 10-15 laps of green-yellow running.

[Samm]

And remember 220.5 miles could realistically be done in less than two hours if NASCAR race control decides cautions will be used only for oil and more serious incidents. A good race under 2 1/2 hours could get a start within 30 minutes with 10-15 laps of green-yellow running.

Cautions? Cautions!?... We don't need no stinking Cautions!!!

[WhiteHatBobby]

More rain. They've thrown the towel. Tomorrow noon ESPN Cable Network.

[Xena]

Watkins Glen Weather (http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY1528.html)

Tomorrow: Scattered thunderstorms, especially in the afternoon. A few storms may be severe. High 83F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%.

Tomorrow night: Scattered thunderstorms. Low 68F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%.

Tuesday: Partly cloudy, chance of a thunderstorm. Highs in the upper 70s and lows in the low 60s.

Wednesday: Mix of sun and clouds. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the low 60s.

[spinach]

might get rained out tomorrow as well.

oh well, time to go back to watching Tiger play golf.
:)

[WhiteHatBobby]

"Especially in the afternoon" -- remember, they start at High Noon. We'll see if we can get 46 in. The shortest modern Sprint Cup race was Kyle Petty's 1992 victory here, the shortest race since NASCAR set a minimum standard of 400km (250 miles; since cut to 300km or 186 miles after the energy crisis) for all Cup races. Petty won a 51-lap race where ESPN started the broadcast on Lap 34 of the 51 laps that were run after the first rain delay; the second rain delay ended the race, and Petty won the race at 125.154 miles, the shortest Cup race since the implementation of the rule. Dave Marcis won a 135-mile race in 1982 at Richmond.

[Xena]

might get rained out tomorrow as well.

oh well, time to go back to watching Tiger play golf.
:)


Did you see this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWOwB3_60I :eek: :))

[Xena]

Gentlemen, start your engines!

[spinach]

Did you see this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWOwB3_60I :eek: :))


oh man....that's more embarassing than a double bogey.

At least, he didn't let out a divot. :surprised

[spinach]

Gentlemen, start your engines!


viewers, get your chips and dip!
:)

[spinach]

my prediction for finish:

1. tony stewart
2. jimmie johnson
3. marcus ambrose
4. kurt busch
5. jeff gordon
6. mark martin
7. kyle busch
8. ryan newman


let's see how close I get!

[Xena]

Boogity, boogity, boogity!

Let's go racin' boys!

[spinach]

caution out...
debris in the inner loop

[Xena]

Marcos stayed out

[Xena]

viewers, get your chips and dip!
:)

Schlitz, peanut butter & jam. :angel:

[spinach]

Schlitz, peanut butter & jam. :angel:


for me

diet mt.dew plus, nachos and salsa
:)

[Xena]

Crap! Can't use Firefox because some parts won't let me use post. GRRRRRR

[Xena]

Carpentier into the wall. Looks ok

[Xena]

Stremme's daily race . . . :rolleyes:

[spinach]

crap

jeff gordon just got scraped and then banged.
he's away...but the car is likely junk now.

:doh:

[spinach]

okay, on the replay Jeff didn't get hammered so bad.
he might be okay

[Xena]

Caution 2 - Lap 23 -- David Stremme goes into the grass and spins in front of the field and collects Kevin Harvick and Jeff Gordon. John Andretti gets the free pass.

Lap 22 -- After the pitstop Jeff Gordon is up to 16th. Jimmie Johnson passes Reed Sorenson for fifth. John Andretti is back on the track.

Lap 21 -- Juan Montoya falls to 10th on the restart as he gets shuffled to the outside. Kurt Busch passes Reed Sorenson for third. Patrick Carpentier gets bumped in Turn 11 and spins but the race stays green.

[Xena]

Problem w/ Robby's car

[spinach]

Juan Pablo pitted, just for fuel. topped off.

watch out, he might sneak a win with the strategy
:surprised

[Xena]

Tony felt he had to pit. Needed massive adjustments.

Hamlin and Jr. speeding off pit road.

Montoya almost took out a tire changer from the 6 team

[spinach]

never count tony out.
he's a genius.

I think he will win.

[Xena]

Newman - alternator problems, they are putting a new battery in

[Xena]

Joey up to 17

[Xena]

Harvick talking about Stremme. This guy needs to go to Nationwide or even the Truck Series.

[Xena]

Awesome Ambrose!

[Xena]

Papis up to 8th.

[Xena]

Matty up to 11th. Good for him!

[Xena]

Smoke up to 3rd

[spinach]

junior crashed.....apparently no brakes

he's okay but the car is done

done done done

head on hit into the wall

[Xena]

Caution 3 - Junior into the wall - head on

[spinach]

Awesome Ambrose!

yeah...his strategy will pay off
he's gonna get back all the track position now
so will kurt busch

they just kicked the rest of the field in the shin!

[spinach]

junior hit at full speed, no brakes.
he took out the 43 as well.

everyone is ok, but the 88 is done for the day

43 drove away, heavy damage

[spinach]

I think dale jr. has a saboteur on his team.

I have for a long time suspected that some other team has bought off someone in the hendricks team.

It would explain a lot of funny stuff last year with Jeff Gordon,
and with Junior this year.
I'd like to see if anyone is working on Jr's team this year was with Gordon's last year.

[spinach]

jr hit so hard he broke the fence and the rail, after hitting the tires.

man that's hard
he had to be going 160 mph when he hit

[Xena]

JimGP20 - are you at work? Not sure if you saw this:

http://www.justin.tv/

[Xena]

JJ lost it lost a few places

Sorenson in the gravel pit

[Xena]

Smoke in pit - 4 tires

[spinach]

watch the brake dust

I think more drivers are gonna have brake failures soon

[Xena]

Kurt flying

[spinach]

ambrose short 2 laps on fuel

however, there are gonna probably be 4 or 5 more cautions, I think
so he should be fine

[Xena]

Caution 4 - Gordo wrecked also Jeff Burton

[spinach]

jeff gordon is done
hornish is done

crash has taken out other cars

[Xena]

Tons of debris :eek:

[spinach]

omg

I hope sam and jeff G are okay
they hit harder than junior did

way harder

[spinach]

omg sam is in the car, not okay

red flag

pray for sam hornish, folks

[Xena]

The Swagger commercial - with Smoke eating turkey :))

[spinach]

kasey khane
jeff gordon
sam hornish
jeff burton
Lally
joey logano
in wreck

edit: kahne was the instigator, not montoya
khane shoved hornish off the track
that's what caused it

okay, hornish is out of the car, and okay apparently
he and jeff are okay, but need care

[Xena]

Jeff Gordon is PLASTERED.. Kasey Kahne knocks Hornish into the barrier, his car bounces back into Gordon

[JimGP20]

JimGP20 - are you at work? Not sure if you saw this:

http://www.justin.tv/

Yeah... I'm watching when I can. Work is very busy today, but that's a good thing. :)

[Xena]

I hope Jeff is ok

[Xena]

Yeah... I'm watching when I can. Work is very busy today, but that's a good thing. :)

Good :angel:

[Xena]

Lap 62 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 4: Big crash in Turn 9 as Sam Hornish Jr. gets bumped by Kasey Kahne and spins hard into the wall. He bounces onto the track where Jeff Burton and Jeff Gordon hit the No. 77 at full speed in a viloent crash. Andy Lally and Joey Logano also involved. Robby Gordon gets the free pass.

:eek:

[spinach]

looking at the video, it looks like khane?? turned left to wreck hornish

they aren't showing the replay slow enough to see what happened

[Xena]

27 to go

[WhiteHatBobby]

Turn 5 is an issue it seems. They are using the original Turn 5 as it was laid out in 1956, and used from 1961 until 1970, and the layout used is the 1971 Six Hours.

With an excessive number of incidents this week in the Loop-Chute, might it be appropriate to slow the cars slightly by running a 500k on the full course? How that slows the cars is the exit of Turn 5 then leads downhill, plunging into Turn 6, a left-handed sweeper that leads to a short straight to a 180-degree Turn 7, then uphill to a right-hander in Turn 8, and rejoining the "1971 Six Hours" course in Turn 9. "Turn 9" is actually part of the straight, about 400 meters from Turn 10. The Cup cars don't use Turns 6, 7, or 8.

[WhiteHatBobby]

The weather is becoming Mostly Cloudy (NASCAR.COM). Cleanup might be the story since they may be beating the weather again. If it should rain, then the Manteca, CA driver would win his first Cup, and second NASCAR win (2008 CWTS AAA Insurance 200).

[spinach]

Jeff got out of the car, then sat on the wall, then kinda layed down on it
he's probably got bruises and maybe a concussion.
I hope he's okay.
but after that kind of a hit, I would not be surprised if he misses the next race.

[Xena]

Whoa, the 77 is :eek:

[spinach]

The weather is becoming Mostly Cloudy (NASCAR.COM). Cleanup might be the story since they may be beating the weather again. If it should rain, then the Manteca, CA driver would win his first Cup, and second NASCAR win (2008 CWTS AAA Insurance 200).


radar is fairly clear of rain.

[spinach]

Whoa, the 77 is :eek:

totally destroyed.
I haven't seen one like that in a long time

[spinach]

sam is okay, talking to ESPN now
thank the Lord

[WhiteHatBobby]

Gordon and Hornish are the two to be concerned with concussions. If the doctors finds one in either driver, under NASCAR's medical rules now, they're out for Michigan. CART had a rule where a driver is out a minimum of seven days for a concussion. Brad Keselowski would drive the #24 and Justin Allgaier would take the #77 should that be the rule.

[spinach]

cars have been removed, now putting down quick dry, and bringing in the sweepers

gonna take at least 5-10 mins more

hornish's car put a lot of fluid on the track
debris all over the place

[spinach]

the good news is that with the red flag, everyone has a chance to cool the brakes a little.
should mean better racing to come.

And of course, more cautions

[spinach]

Jeff G talking now to ESPN
apparently he is fine.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Remember, I'm at the office working on the computers, and don't have a telly. I cannot see what is happening, and only reading. We don't even have MRN locally.

[spinach]

back to yellow
cars will be moving soon

[WhiteHatBobby]

Question: Pit for tires in order to ensure you didn't run over the debris?

[spinach]

Jeff G lower back is aggravated.
he's gonna race at Michigan--
but he says it will take a couple of weeks to heal.

I wish he was far up enough in the points to take a one race break.
oh well

[Xena]

Darian said that he will have to save fuel because he's low of fuel.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Kyle Busch and Tony Stewart on the next restart. We saw last time that the Candy Man was "Smoked" on the restart the last time they were on the front row.

[spinach]

Question: Pit for tires in order to ensure you didn't run over the debris?

I would, if I went thru the debris.

but hornish and gordon were way back in the field, so the only drivers that would have to change tires are already in the back part of the field.
they don't lose much by pitting- and may end up beating cars that run out of fuel

[spinach]

Darian said that he will have to save fuel because he's low of fuel.


darian?
is that Lally?

don't recognize the name

[WhiteHatBobby]

Stewart has a lap on Busch in regards to fuel.

[spinach]

Remember, I'm at the office working on the computers, and don't have a telly. I cannot see what is happening, and only reading. We don't even have MRN locally.


go online and listen.

http://radiotime.com/WebTuner.aspx?StationId=21395&#

that's me listening to daytona's feed

here's more:
MRN sites (http://radiotime.com/affiliate/a_33187/station/Motor_Racing_Network_Radio_Stations.aspx)

pick one and find the race ....

[Xena]

I hope Kyle will have a clean race . . .

[WhiteHatBobby]

Darian - #14-Darian Grubb

[spinach]

coming to the restart....

robby gordon back on pit road

[spinach]

Darian - #14-Darian Grubb


oh, he's the crew chief for Tony

[Xena]

go online and listen.

http://radiotime.com/WebTuner.aspx?StationId=21395&#

that's me listening to daytona's feed

here's more:
MRN sites (http://radiotime.com/affiliate/a_33187/station/Motor_Racing_Network_Radio_Stations.aspx)

pick one and find the race ....


Thanks! My station won't do it on Monday

[WhiteHatBobby]

My computer shows Digger waving green so that means . . .

[Xena]

Tony, Ambrose, Kyle

[spinach]

pee wee herman holding up the field

he's gonna get spun sooner or later

[WhiteHatBobby]

Spinach, that's why I've seen the graphics on Fox often, the crew chief's name is often labeled without the driver. Often, Fox labels in some images just "14 Darian Grubb" and "24 Steve Letarte" without the driver's identity.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Stewart the only one in the 12's.

[spinach]

ambrose to 2nd
biffle 3rd

pee wee herman backing up...
:))

[spinach]

kyle busch irritated....
:))

montoya giving him a hard time!

[spinach]

sadler, carpentier spin...

[Xena]

Caution 5 - debris from Elliott Sadler blew a tire on the backstretch bringing out the caution. Lally gets the free pass and is back on the lead lap.

[spinach]

caution!

that helps old Marcos Ambrose out...he should be good on fuel now.

[spinach]

cool--
what we waited for the whole race-

ambrose and tony in a duel
two of the best on road courses!

[spinach]

Juan pablo is fast too
he might sneak up there

[spinach]

looks like Ambrose is faster than Tony
but tony is more gambling....

this is gonna be great
I hope it stays clean

[Xena]

Carl flying

[Xena]

Hamlin almost lost it

[Xena]

Boys getting squirrely :eek:

[Xena]

Carl in the grass

[Xena]

Kyle is abusing his engine and/his tranny

[WhiteHatBobby]

Smoke running away.

[spinach]

26 mcmurray blowing up....down to 7 cylinders or less...

[spinach]

man I love that camera they have on the front of Ambroses car

it's great watching!

[Xena]

McMurray has a problem?

[Xena]

Ambrose is closing

[Xena]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR/CheckeredFlag2.gif

Congrats to Tony Stewart!

[Xena]

****ing awesome!

You are the man from Darian

[WhiteHatBobby]

The Sprint Cup points leader is Taking Care of Business . . .

[spinach]

my prediction for finish:

1. tony stewart
2. jimmie johnson
3. marcus ambrose
4. kurt busch
5. jeff gordon
6. mark martin
7. kyle busch
8. ryan newman


let's see how close I get!

I did decent

:)

got the winner
and placed several in top 10

[Xena]

Ambrose ran out of fuel. Awesome too!

[spinach]

Smoke !!

with the swagger, with his new team....
:D

[Xena]

Smoke said he didn't look at his gas gauge. Just RACED!

[spinach]

whoever made the decision at Old spice to sponsor tony made a GREAT decision.

they are getting GREAT advertising

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/22/data/results_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Race Results | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36

FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 13 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 195/10 90 Running
2 4 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 175/5 90 Running
3 33 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 165/0 90 Running
4 8 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 165/5 90 Running
5 7 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 155/0 90 Running
6 10 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 150/0 90 Running
7 2 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 151/5 90 Running
8 16 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 142/0 90 Running
9 38 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 138/0 90 Running
10 3 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 134/0 90 Running
11 20 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 130/0 90 Running
12 1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 132/5 90 Running
13 18 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Stanley Tools 124/0 90 Running
14 42 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 121/0 90 Running
15 11 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 118/0 90 Running
16 35 20 Joey Logano * Toyota The Home Depot 115/0 90 Running
17 12 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 112/0 90 Running
18 22 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 109/0 90 Running
19 14 98 Paul Menard Ford Sylvania/Menards 106/0 90 Running
20 27 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 103/0 90 Running
21 6 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 100/0 90 Running
22 26 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 102/5 90 Running
23 28 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 94/0 90 Running
24 40 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 91/0 90 Running
25 25 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 88/0 90 Running
26 5 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 90/5 90 Running
27 15 171 Andy Lally Chevrolet Adobe Road Winery 82/0 90 Running
28 23 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 79/0 90 Running
29 37 09 Ron Fellows Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 76/0 84 Running
30 34 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell 73/0 84 Running
31 29 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge McDonald's 70/0 78 Running
32 19 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy 67/0 78 Running
33 17 55 Patrick Carpentier Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 64/0 78 Running
34 9 08 Boris Said Ford U.S. Chrome 61/0 74 In Pit
35 21 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 58/0 68 Running
36 36 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 55/0 61 Running
37 31 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 52/0 61 In Pit
38 30 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 49/0 61 Running
39 32 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 46/0 60 Running
40 24 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 43/0 58 In Pit


*rookie

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

They drive the road races like endurance races . . . I'd like to see either 91 laps on the full course (will slow Turn 5) or 102 laps (400km) on the 1971 Six Hourse.

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Driver Standings | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Tony Stewart 3383 Leader 22 0 3 13 18
2 -- Jimmie Johnson 3123 -260 22 1 3 9 14
3 -- Jeff Gordon 3041 -342 22 0 1 10 15
4 -- Kurt Busch 2902 -481 22 0 1 6 12
5 -- Denny Hamlin 2847 -536 22 0 1 7 10
6 -- Carl Edwards 2830 -553 22 0 0 6 10
7 +1 Juan Montoya 2781 -602 22 1 0 1 11
8 -1 Kasey Kahne 2754 -629 22 0 1 4 9
9 -- Ryan Newman 2727 -656 22 1 0 5 9
10 +2 Greg Biffle 2718 -665 22 0 0 7 10
11 -1 Mark Martin 2716 -667 22 4 4 6 11
12 -1 Matt Kenseth 2685 -698 22 1 2 4 8
CHASE FOR THE Sprint CUP - CURRENT CONTENDERS
13 -- Kyle Busch 2627 -756 22 1 3 5 7
14 -- Brian Vickers 2589 -794 22 5 0 3 10
15 -- Clint Bowyer 2586 -797 22 0 0 4 9
16 -- David Reutimann 2530 -853 22 2 1 4 6
17 +1 Marcos Ambrose 2416 -967 22 0 0 3 6
18 -1 Jeff Burton 2350 -1033 22 0 0 2 6
19 -- Joey Logano * 2280 -1103 22 0 1 1 4
20 -- Jamie McMurray 2206 -1177 22 0 0 0 3
21 -- Casey Mears 2204 -1179 22 0 0 0 2
22 -- Kevin Harvick 2124 -1259 22 0 0 2 3
23 +1 Martin Truex Jr. 2117 -1266 22 1 0 0 3
24 +2 A.J. Allmendinger 2109 -1274 22 0 0 1 3
25 -2 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 2108 -1275 22 0 0 1 3
26 -1 Elliott Sadler 2082 -1301 22 0 0 1 3
27 +2 Bobby Labonte 2031 -1352 22 0 0 1 1
28 -1 Sam Hornish Jr. 2021 -1362 22 0 0 1 5
29 -1 Reed Sorenson 2011 -1372 22 0 0 0 1
30 -- David Ragan 1987 -1396 22 0 0 0 1
31 -- David Stremme 1856 -1527 22 0 0 0 0
32 -- Paul Menard 1829 -1554 22 0 0 0 0
33 +1 Robby Gordon 1781 -1602 22 0 0 1 1
34 -1 Michael Waltrip 1712 -1671 20 0 0 0 1
35 -- Scott Speed * 1539 -1844 21 0 0 1 1
36 -- John Andretti 1492 -1891 20 0 0 0 0
37 -- David Gilliland 1187 -2196 20 0 0 0 0
38 -- Regan Smith 989 -2394 11 0 0 0 0
39 -- Joe Nemechek 798 -2585 17 0 0 0 0
40 -- Brad Keselowski 787 -2596 7 0 1 1 3
41 -- Dave Blaney 773 -2610 19 0 0 0 0
42 +1 Max Papis * 644 -2739 8 0 0 0 1


*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/stats/season_driver_rating.html)
Season Leaders: Driver Rating | Watkins Glen
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ESPN
August 9, 2009 | Race 22 of 36


RANK CAR DRIVER PTS. STANDING POS. HIGH RATING DRIVER RATING
1 48 Jimmie Johnson 2 150.0 110.5
2 14 Tony Stewart 1 141.5 106.5
3 2 Kurt Busch 4 150.0 99.9
4 18 Kyle Busch 13 149.2 99.7
5 24 Jeff Gordon 3 134.0 99.5
6 11 Denny Hamlin 5 148.6 98.9
7 5 Mark Martin 11 145.6 95.1
8 99 Carl Edwards 6 138.5 93.8
9 16 Greg Biffle 10 128.3 90.6
10 9 Kasey Kahne 8 132.4 89.5
11 42 Juan Pablo Montoya 7 131.7 88.3
12 83 Brian Vickers 14 121.6 85.8
13 17 Matt Kenseth 12 131.4 84.1
14 39 Ryan Newman 9 115.3 81.4
15 33 Clint Bowyer 15 112.7 80.2
16 00 David Reutimann 16 107.8 79.3
17 31 Jeff Burton 18 111.0 75.5
18 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 25 117.2 74.4
19 1 Martin Truex Jr. 23 122.4 72.7
20 26 Jamie McMurray 20 91.8 72.2
21 47 Marcos Ambrose 17 119.2 71.8
22 29 Kevin Harvick 22 105.8 68.3
23 20 Joey Logano * 19 106.0 66.3
24 77 Sam Hornish Jr. 28 93.8 65.5
25 44 AJ Allmendinger 24 102.2 65.1
26 6 David Ragan 30 96.0 64.1
27 12 David Stremme 31 82.7 61.6
28 07 Casey Mears 21 90.1 60.4
29 43 Reed Sorenson 29 85.1 58.7
30 19 Elliott Sadler 26 94.7 58.1
31 96 Bobby Labonte 27 103.7 57.9
32 98 Paul Menard 32 84.7 53.0
33 7 Robby Gordon 33 69.2 52.0
34 55 Michael Waltrip 34 81.2 51.6
35 82 Scott Speed * 35 69.5 45.8



*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Don't miss NASCAR Now and This Week in NASCAR; both are very good

[Xena]

kyle busch irritated....
:))

montoya giving him a hard time!

They are twins :lol:

[Samm]

Lap 62 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 4: Big crash in Turn 9 as Sam Hornish Jr. gets bumped by Kasey Kahne and spins hard into the wall. He bounces onto the track where Jeff Burton and Jeff Gordon hit the No. 77 at full speed in a viloent crash. Andy Lally and Joey Logano also involved. Robby Gordon gets the free pass.

:eek:

That's what I hate about those tire barriers... way too much energy is put back into the car. This is not the first time we have seen a car literally thrown back onto the track at the Glenn. They really need to visit this situation and come up with a better barrier... tires are simply NOT the best solution.

[Xena]

Aw, Marcos said, "Tony made no mistakes. What a fantastic driver he is. It is an honor to race against him"

I love both of them http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/Smilies/Heartbeat.gif

[Xena]

From Kurt, "Who's balls are bigger". He was talking about Max Papis. :think:

[Xena]

I got this from Twitter:

Gordon spent a little extra time in the care center, but he's okay after the big hit.

Smoke just got so excited spraying champagne that he accidentally broke the trophy!

[WhiteHatBobby]

The Jim Riesbeck Trophy (named for the man who revitalised the track after it was closed in bankruptcy court in the 1980's) will have to be sent back to Corning to be repaired!

P. S. When you watch any show, you'd expect to see all storylines. Watching an R-rated version of the show and they cut out the bus stop incident -- they only talked about it in a mid-race summary.

That's what I hate about those tire barriers... way too much energy is put back into the car. This is not the first time we have seen a car literally thrown back onto the track at the Glenn. They really need to visit this situation and come up with a better barrier... tires are simply NOT the best solution.

They tried the Styrofoam barriers. Remember what happened when Jimmie hit them in The 90?

[Samm]

The Jim Riesbeck Trophy (named for the man who revitalised the track after it was closed in bankruptcy court in the 1980's) will have to be sent back to Corning to be repaired!

P. S. When you watch any show, you'd expect to see all storylines. Watching an R-rated version of the show and they cut out the bus stop incident -- they only talked about it in a mid-race summary.



They tried the Styrofoam barriers. Remember what happened when Jimmie hit them in The 90?

If they can stop a 160 mph F-18 that has missed the arresting cables with a net, they can stop a stop a 120 mph stock car with the same. Actually, at the Glenn all they have to do is temporarily move the wall between the Sprint track and the inner track and use a standard energy absorbing wall. Any "safe" barrier that stores and releases energy instead of absorbing it has the potential to throw cars back onto the track. NASCAR must take a hard look at the use of tires... the only reason one or more of those drivers was not seriously injured or killed was because of the COT.