NASCAR 2009 est. 2005

[spinach]

Ryan walks away

crowd cheering he's okay!

[spinach]

back to yellow

Smoke: front damage, RR damage

brake pedal went to the floor
may have a snapped line

[WhiteHatBobby]

We'll be Green-White-Checkered. Now we'll have probably 2-3 extra laps of caution, have lead lap, non lead lap, then the free pass, then GWC.

[spinach]

those low on fuel are hosed....
we will have at least 2 caution laps

plus the GWC

[Xena]

Yikes the 39 was trashed. I hope he will be ok. Smoke is worried about Ryan. That was wild :eek:

[spinach]

1 to go to green

[spinach]

Ryan interviewed "is sore, but okay"

Ryan is TRASHING nascar


says "I don't think NASCAR thinks much of us anymore. it was not a good race for the fans"

Ryan is right
and it's time someone said it, even if he eats a fine for the comments.

I see Ryan as a WINNER here-- he came right out and hammered this stupidity.
And he did it spot on.

[spinach]

montoya out of fuel

jeff G out of fuel

13 out of fuel


jimmie to 16th

[spinach]

Jeff G refueled...

3 laps, the best he's gonna do is maybe 20th

what a sucky race

Jeff G can't win, Denny can't win

I guess I will root for Dale Jr and Mark Martin

[WhiteHatBobby]

The 12 is dry and this holds off the restart again. Who's next to run out of fuel? We could be running a Lap 194 restart and almost all leaders will be pitting. At this pace the 17 and 26 will have to pit.

[dashvinny]

hamlin ripped nascar. good. he also said racing was when petty, allison, and pearson were racing

[spinach]

Jeff almost made it thru that idiocy

he's just spun, but will gain at least 15 spots

maybe Jeff G can get 10th


Jamie MacMurray may have just won the race.
looks like it

[dashvinny]

boring end. nascar has to do something to bring racing back into the sport.

[Xena]

Caution 6 - Kurt spun, Mears, J. Gordon, Martin and Reuti,

[Xena]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR/CheckeredFlag2.gif

Congrats to Jamie McMurray!

[spinach]

no finish order yet

may take a while

[spinach]

boring end. nascar has to do something to bring racing back into the sport.


worst race of the season

Ryan Newman pretty much nailed this travesty.
hopefully other drivers will step up and say so as well.

[spinach]

mcmurray
kahne
logano

[spinach]

Jeff finished 24th
oh well

since mark martin wrecked

Jimmie has the championship. Can't be touched now

[spinach]

with all the wrecks, Jimmie J finished 6th

all he had to do was stay away from idiots
and he did so.

chalk that up to a good plan-- it worked out really well, much to my surprise.

[WhiteHatBobby]

What does this say about Mr. Clutch? Everyone wrecks, and he finds his way through. How do you win a fourth consecutive title?

No mistakes, playing patience, and not gambling. We're on the verge of a dynasty. First Roush win in eight months and he's the odd man out. Roush has eight full-time cars (consider the George Gillett acquisition of Yates will virtually create an eight-car Roush team; Gillett will shut down the chassis and engine operations as becoming a satellite Roush team means all Roush; Ford requires all NASCAR teams to run Roush cars and engines).

Jimmie has become today's David Pearson.

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/33/data/results_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Race Results | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36

FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 22 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades 195/10 191 Running
2 11 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 175/5 191 Running
3 20 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 170/5 191 Running
4 8 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Filtrete 160/0 191 Running
5 18 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 160/5 191 Running
6 33 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 155/5 191 Running
7 26 19 Elliott Sadler Ford Stanley 151/5 191 Running
8 1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 147/5 191 Running
9 36 09 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 143/5 191 Running
10 24 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy "Get on the 88"/National Guard 139/5 191 Running
11 12 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 135/5 191 Running
12 15 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet BB&T 127/0 191 Running
13 10 99 Carl Edwards Ford Subway 129/5 191 Running
14 37 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TaxSlayer.com 121/0 191 Running
15 13 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 123/5 191 Running
16 28 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 115/0 191 Running
17 41 36 Robert Richardson Jr. Toyota Mahindra Tractors 112/0 191 Running
18 29 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Liberty Medical 109/0 191 Running
19 30 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 111/5 191 Running
20 21 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 108/5 191 Running
21 5 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 105/5 191 Running
22 3 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 102/5 191 Running
23 35 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Window World 99/5 191 Running
24 14 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 91/0 191 Running
25 19 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 93/5 191 Running
26 16 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 90/5 191 Running
27 38 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 82/0 191 Running
28 2 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Pop-Tarts/Carquest 84/5 191 Running
29 42 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 76/0 191 Running
30 6 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 78/5 189 In Pit
31 23 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 75/5 189 Running
32 34 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 72/5 189 Running
33 25 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Hunt Brothers Pizza 64/0 189 Running
34 17 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Clorox/Kingsford/Little Debbie 66/5 188 Running
35 4 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 63/5 183 In Pit
36 7 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 60/5 183 Running
37 31 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 52/0 167 Running
38 9 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Express 54/5 137 Out of Race
39 43 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 46/0 99 Out of Race
40 27 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 43/0 44 Out of Race
41 40 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 40/0 12 In Pit

*rookie

<snip>

[spinach]

good to see dale jr. get a top 10
the team needed that.

now they need a win.

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Driver Standings | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Jimmie Johnson 6245 Leader 33 3 6 14 22
2 -- Mark Martin 6064 -181 33 7 5 12 19
3 -- Jeff Gordon 6050 -195 33 0 1 16 23
4 +1 Juan Montoya 6003 -242 33 2 0 7 17
5 -1 Tony Stewart 5969 -276 33 0 4 15 22
6 -- Kurt Busch 5936 -309 33 0 1 8 18
7 +1 Greg Biffle 5908 -337 33 0 0 10 15
8 -1 Ryan Newman 5846 -399 33 2 0 5 15
9 +2 Kasey Kahne 5834 -411 33 0 2 7 14
10 -- Carl Edwards 5814 -431 33 0 0 7 13
11 -2 Denny Hamlin 5800 -445 33 1 3 12 17
12 -- Brian Vickers 5703 -542 33 6 1 4 13
CHASE FOR THE Sprint CUP - CURRENT CONTENDERS
13 -- Kyle Busch 4043 -2202 33 1 4 9 12
14 -- Matt Kenseth 3986 -2259 33 1 2 6 11
15 -- Clint Bowyer 3932 -2313 33 0 0 4 14
16 -- David Reutimann 3854 -2391 33 2 1 5 9
17 +1 Jeff Burton 3539 -2706 33 0 0 3 7
18 -1 Marcos Ambrose 3519 -2726 33 0 0 4 7
19 +1 Joey Logano * 3494 -2751 33 0 1 3 7
20 -1 Casey Mears 3471 -2774 33 0 0 0 4
21 -- Kevin Harvick 3383 -2862 33 0 0 3 7
22 -- Jamie McMurray 3286 -2959 33 0 1 1 5
23 +1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 3201 -3044 33 0 0 2 6
24 +2 Elliott Sadler 3142 -3103 33 0 0 1 5
25 -2 Martin Truex Jr. 3139 -3106 33 2 0 0 4
26 -1 A.J. Allmendinger 3084 -3161 33 0 0 1 4
27 +1 David Ragan 2988 -3257 33 0 0 0 2
28 +1 Reed Sorenson 2958 -3287 33 0 0 0 1
29 -2 Sam Hornish Jr. 2948 -3297 33 0 0 2 7
30 +1 Bobby Labonte 2929 -3316 33 0 0 1 1
31 -1 David Stremme 2928 -3317 33 0 0 0 0
32 -- Paul Menard 2742 -3503 33 0 0 0 0
33 -- Michael Waltrip 2616 -3629 31 0 0 0 2
34 -- Robby Gordon 2474 -3771 32 0 0 1 1
35 -- Scott Speed * 2435 -3810 32 0 0 1 1
36 -- John Andretti 2381 -3864 31 0 0 0 0
37 -- David Gilliland 1700 -4545 28 0 0 0 0
38 +2 Brad Keselowski 1326 -4919 12 0 1 1 4
39 -1 Regan Smith 1306 -4939 16 0 0 0 0
40 -1 Joe Nemechek 1262 -4983 28 0 0 0 0
41 -- Dave Blaney 1167 -5078 29 0 0 0 0
42 +1 Max Papis * 980 -5265 14 0 0 0 1

*rookie

<snip>



Amp Energy 500 (http://jayski.com/next/2009/32mar2009.htm)
Unofficial Classic Driver Standings | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10 WINNINGS
1) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4752 -7
2) #14-Tony Stewart, 4745
3) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4673 -72
4) #5-Mark Martin, 4315 -430
5) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4271 -474
7) #42-Juan Montoya, 4260 -485
6) #2-Kurt Busch, 4248 -497
9) #16-Greg Biffle, 4157 -588
8) #39-Ryan Newman, 4118 -627
12) #9-Kasey Kahne, 4094 -651
10) #99-Carl Edwards, 4091 -654
11) #18-Kyle Busch, 4043 -702
13) #17-Matt Kenseth, 3986 -759
14) #33-Clint Bowyer, 3932 -813
16) #83-Brian Vickers, 3890 -855
15) #00-David Reutimann, 3854 -891

[dashvinny]

with all the wrecks, Jimmie J finished 6th

all he had to do was stay away from idiots
and he did so.

chalk that up to a good plan-- it worked out really well, much to my surprise.


but thats another problem with nascar. the way the non-racing is set up way too many drivers dont even try to win. here we had the most awarded driver over the last 6 years just driving around in 188 circles with no desire whatsoever to do anything except finish. bring some excitement back. have the driver with the most wins win the championship. if its a tie at the end of the year then give it to the driver with the best average finish. the racing is dull, the points championship is dull. force drivers to race to win.

[Xena]

with all the wrecks, Jimmie J finished 6th

all he had to do was stay away from idiots
and he did so.

chalk that up to a good plan-- it worked out really well, much to my surprise.

You can being very "safe", but in a second, you are wrecked. Call it good luck or bad luck.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Tallladega also announced some major changes before April 25's Aaron's 499.

They are taking seats out of the grandstands to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act. Gadsden (T4) to Section C of O V Hill South (tri-oval) will be ready in time for the spring race. The current 17" seats and 36" wide aisles will be replaced with 21" seats with armrests and cupholders with 48" wide aisles. New premium seats and new ADA-compliant seats are being added, along with a price reduction of $25 (from $120 to $95) for the top seats at the track. The remainder of the frontstretch will be reconfigured with the new 21" seats and 48" aisles for Hallow-Dega next year.

John McCain will be the grand marshal for the O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 in two weeks.

The final three races all start at 3 PM EST.

[Xena]

For 2010, I'm thinking I'll watch the 26 regular races and then stop. The Chase has ruining racing.

[Xena]

but thats another problem with nascar. the way the non-racing is set up way too many drivers dont even try to win. here we had the most awarded driver over the last 6 years just driving around in 188 circles with no desire whatsoever to do anything except finish. bring some excitement back. have the driver with the most wins win the championship. if its a tie at the end of the year then give it to the driver with the best average finish. the racing is dull, the points championship is dull. force drivers to race to win.

I like you.

[dashvinny]

I like you.


thanks. the championship is already over unless johnson has some really bad luck.
so, for 3 races we get to see alot more non-racing. force them to win races and the excitement will return.

[spinach]

but thats another problem with nascar. the way the non-racing is set up way too many drivers dont even try to win. here we had the most awarded driver over the last 6 years just driving around in 188 circles with no desire whatsoever to do anything except finish. bring some excitement back. have the driver with the most wins win the championship. if its a tie at the end of the year then give it to the driver with the best average finish. the racing is dull, the points championship is dull. force drivers to race to win.

I have long said that it should be similar to the formula 1 system

10 points for a win
7 for second
5 for 3rd
3 for 4th
and 1 pt for 5th

as for the rest of the crowd, try harder.

this way it's race-performance oriented.
you have to top 5 to have any chance at all at a championship
and more than likely you have to have at least 3 or 4 wins

[spinach]

nascar has gotten dumber and dumber lately.

the HANS device was their last good move

the "car of tomorrow" is crap
and the chase is crap

they should be racing with modern cars, and either using the old points system or use a formula 1 style point system.


it's become almost a joke compared to the days of Pearson, yarborough, junior johnson, and R Petty. It's powder puff limp wristed 'chase racing'

[WhiteHatBobby]

(Newman) also said racing was when petty, allison, and pearson were racing

A few years ago on This Week in NASCAR, Cale Yarborough said today's Chase requires a drivers be at his best during an entire season, and you can't just run away with the title the way they did in the past. If you remember Jenson Button in F1 ran away with the title by winning all his races at the start of the season and didn't win again after the early part of the season. Jimmie Johnson won enough in the first half of the regular season (Martinsville, Dover), won in the second half of the regular season (Indy), and has charged in the playoffs (Dover, Fontana, Charlotte), just what Cale exhorted about a Champion needs to be with the Chase. You can't just stay lazy. Two wins in the first half, one win in the second half and denied twice at MIS when he went for the win, and then Mr. Clutch in the playoffs. Rarely did was he off his A game.

And wasn't David Pearson called the Silver Fox for his slyness?

Jayski just put up a list of what would happen without the Chase, and Jimmie would be up over Smoke by seven.

If Jimmie wins four in a row, rest assured he did it with no lazy racing, no points racing, just smart racing that equals wins and points.

Since his crash at the end of the 2006 UAW-Ford 500 at Talladega, here's what Johnson has done in the past 33 races in the Sprint Cup Playoffs (source: ESPN/Jayski):

* Worst finish - 15th (2008 Homestead, in "safe" mode to clinch)
* 20 Podium Finishes (11 Wins)
* 2 4th-5th
* 7 6th-10th
* 4 11th-15th

Is this the mark of a driver who is very aggressive in crunch time? Nearly a third of the races on the podium is enough to make you wonder.

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/stats/season_driver_rating.html)
Season Leaders: Driver Rating | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36


RANK CAR DRIVER PTS. STANDING POS. HIGH RATING DRIVER RATING
1 48 Jimmie Johnson 1 150.0 113.6
2 24 Jeff Gordon 3 134.0 102.1
3 11 Denny Hamlin 11 150.0 101.4
4 14 Tony Stewart 5 141.5 100.3
5 5 Mark Martin 2 145.6 99.8
6 2 Kurt Busch 6 150.0 98.9
7 18 Kyle Busch 13 149.2 96.6
8 42 Juan Pablo Montoya 4 134.6 94.1
9 16 Greg Biffle 7 128.5 88.4
10 9 Kasey Kahne 9 132.4 88.3
11 99 Carl Edwards 10 138.5 88.2
12 83 Brian Vickers 12 126.8 84.1
13 17 Matt Kenseth 14 131.4 83.6
14 39 Ryan Newman 8 115.3 82.5
15 33 Clint Bowyer 15 112.7 81.7
16 00 David Reutimann 16 107.8 80.6
17 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 23 117.2 76.7
18 31 Jeff Burton 17 111.0 74.5
19 1 Martin Truex Jr. 24 122.4 74.5
20 29 Kevin Harvick 21 116.5 74.4
21 26 Jamie McMurray 22 99.4 70.4
22 47 Marcos Ambrose 18 119.2 70.1
23 20 Joey Logano * 19 106.0 68.1
24 07 Casey Mears 20 94.2 65.7
25 44 AJ Allmendinger 26 102.2 64.7
26 77 Sam Hornish Jr. 29 94.0 64.0
27 6 David Ragan 27 96.0 63.5
28 12 David Stremme 31 83.6 63.0
29 43 Reed Sorenson 28 85.1 57.7
30 19 Elliott Sadler 25 94.7 57.0
31 71 Bobby Labonte 30 103.7 56.4
32 7 Robby Gordon 34 72.1 51.3
33 98 Paul Menard 32 84.7 51.1
34 55 Michael Waltrip 33 81.2 50.0
35 82 Scott Speed 35 69.5 46.7
36 71 David Gilliland 37 67.4 44.4
37 34 John Andretti 36 53.2 39.7

*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

What does this say about Mr. Clutch? Everyone wrecks, and he finds his way through. How do you win a fourth consecutive title?

No mistakes, playing patience, and not gambling. We're on the verge of a dynasty. First Roush win in eight months and he's the odd man out. Roush has eight full-time cars (consider the George Gillett acquisition of Yates will virtually create an eight-car Roush team; Gillett will shut down the chassis and engine operations as becoming a satellite Roush team means all Roush; Ford requires all NASCAR teams to run Roush cars and engines).

Jimmie has become today's David Pearson.

"If you can't be good, be lucky." That certainly worked well for Jimmy today for sure. Wow. Just when it was looking like Jeff and Mark were going to close the gap... Bam!

I hope Jimmy sends Keselowski a nice thank you card for running over Kurt Busch to set up that green/white/checkers situation.

Jimmy = David Pearson... yeah. :think:

Things would have to go seriously wrong for him in the next three races to not take the Championship.

[WhiteHatBobby]

This came from the stat boards:

Jimmie Johnson needs just a 10th-place finish the final three races to guarantee a clinch. The earliest he can clinch is at Phoenix but he must gain 15 points in the next two races to get the title at the O'Reilly Auto Parts 500.

The Dynasty is here.

Some other notes:

Daytona: The former Kennel Club dog track near the frontstretch grandstands is being demolished after the new Kennel Club dog track a half mile away on Williamson Blvd. A new motorcycle flat track (similar to FIM Speedway and AMA Pro Flat Track) is being built outside Turn One for WKA dirt and AMA Pro Flat Track racing, as Municipal Stadium has eliminated the dirt track as it is now FieldTurf. That track opens in December for WKA KartWeek for the traditional season-ending Daytona races.

Also new gate entrances and bus stops are being added in the former dog track. Next year also marks the 50th anniversary of NASCAR Hall of Fame inductee Robert Glen Johnson, Jr's Daytona 500 win; the Kennel Club sponsored his #27 Chevrolet.

Grand Marshal for the Dickies 500 will be ZZ Top.

[Xena]

"If you can't be good, be lucky." That certainly worked well for Jimmy today for sure. Wow. Just when it was looking like Jeff and Mark were going to close the gap... Bam!

I hope Jimmy sends Keselowski a nice thank you card for running over Kurt Busch to set up that green/white/checkers situation.

Jimmy = David Pearson... yeah. :think:

Things would have to go seriously wrong for him in the next three races to not take the Championship.

Good luck for some, not for others. 13 cars with "Accident"/"Engine".

No way JJ = David Pearson

[Xena]

The first "big one" came with 4 laps to go, even though it only collected 5 cars. (http://jayski.com/next/2009/33tss2009.htm)

#39-Newman checked up to keep from getting into #14-Stewart. #47-Ambrose got into the back of Newman causing him to spin out of line, he turned backwards, flipped upside down, end over end, and landed on the hood of #29-Harvick. #19-Salder was also collected. Newman flipped a couple more times and the car came to rest on its roof. Safety crews had to flip the car over and cut the roof off to get Newman out but he was able to walk to the ambulance under his own power. The red flag was out for 13 minutes during cleanup. After the red flag was lifted, several drivers including #5-Gordon, #24-Gordon and #42-Montoya ran out of gas, further delaying the restart of the race for the finish.

Then coming to the white flag #09-Keselowski appeared to get in the back of #2-Busch, spinning him into traffic and collecting a number of cars and causing NASCAR to throw the caution flag.

[Xena]

I have long said that it should be similar to the formula 1 system

10 points for a win
7 for second
5 for 3rd
3 for 4th
and 1 pt for 5th

as for the rest of the crowd, try harder.

this way it's race-performance oriented.
you have to top 5 to have any chance at all at a championship
and more than likely you have to have at least 3 or 4 wins

You're on a roll! :dance:

[WhiteHatBobby]

The F1 system showed the mockery it was when after seven races the points leader ran away and wasn't to be found anywhere after the second half of the season.

F1 Points (current system): 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
Once the race starts, if less than three laps are completed, the race is cancelled. Once Lap 4 starts, the race is official and until 75% of the race is finished, only half points are awarded if the race ends early.

First seven races (Australia, Malaysia*, China, Bahrain, Montmelo, Monaco, Turkey):
Jenson Button: Wins Australia, Malaysia*, Bahrain, Montmelo, Monaco, Turkey, Third at China
Sebastian Vettel: Wins China, Second Bahrain, Third Turkey, Fourth Montmelo, 13th in Australia, 15th in Malaysia, 18th in Monaco
Rubens Barrichello: Second in Australia, Monaco, Turkey, Fourth in China, Fifth in Malaysia* and Montmelo, 19th in Turkey.

NOTE: F1 does not count finishing position if the driver does not finish 90% of the winner's distance.

Total after 7 races: Button 58 points, Vettel 29, Barrichello 35.

Second Seven Races (Britain, Germany, Hungary, Valencia, Belgium, Italy, Singapore):

Button: 2nd in Italy, 5th in Germany and Singapore, 6th in Britain, 7th in Hungary and Valencia, 18th in Belgium
Vettel: Wins in Britain, 2nd in Germany, Third in Belgium, 4th in Singapore, 8th in Italy, 17th in Hungary, 20th (and dead last) in Valencia.
Barrichello: Wins in Valencia and Italy, Third in Britain, Sixth in Germany and Singapore, Seventh in Belgium, 10th in Hungary

Second Seven Races Only:
Burton: 23 points, Vettel 31, Barrichello 34

Total After Singapore: Button 81, Vettel 60, Barrichello 69

Final Three Races:

Button: Eighth in Japan, Fifth in Brazil, Third in Abu Dhabi
Vettel: Wins Japan and Abu Dhabi, Fifth in Brazil
Barrichello: Fourth in Abu Dhabi, Seventh in Japan, Eighth in Brazil

Three Race Totals
Burton: 11 points, Vettel 24, Barrichello 8

Total: Button 92 points, Vettel 84 points, Barrichello 77 points

Now you see how "lazy" Jenson Button "sat" on his lead with an F1 points system. Look at Jimmie Johnson's attitude. Once he took the lead he hasn't been sitting on it. He's been padding it with wins, podiums, and finding daylight through holes.

NOTE: There are two races in Spain, and are categorised by city (Montmelo for Spain and Valencia for Europe).

[JimGP20]

I didn't watch much of this race once I found out that Tony was going to use the "wait-at-the-back-of-the-pack" strategy. As far as I can recall, every year that (even when he was driving the 20 car) he has ever done that, he's been involved in some sort of crash. Tony is a front runner, and the front is where he should have been the whole damned time.

May as well crown J.J. right now. It's over.

[WhiteHatBobby]

I didn't watch much of this race once I found out that Tony was going to use the "wait-at-the-back-of-the-pack" strategy. As far as I can recall, every year that (even when he was driving the 20 car) he has ever done that, he's been involved in some sort of crash. Tony is a front runner, and the front is where he should have been the whole damned time.

May as well crown J.J. right now. It's over.

I loved it when Tony started talking to the fans personally on the radio. When fans have scanners to listen to their favourite drivers, Tony said "they need to sell No Doz". Ah, just imagine what trackside fans get to hear -- boring race in the line? Just break out a comedy routine on the radio and the fans will want to watch the race and listen to their drivers and spotters create comedy. This is from the same bloke who said "Here, kitty, kitty, kitty . . . come and get some".

Shows even if the race is boring the drivers and spotters can make you listen to some comedy on the radio.

[Xena]

I didn't watch much of this race once I found out that Tony was going to use the "wait-at-the-back-of-the-pack" strategy. As far as I can recall, every year that (even when he was driving the 20 car) he has ever done that, he's been involved in some sort of crash. Tony is a front runner, and the front is where he should have been the whole damned time.

May as well crown J.J. right now. It's over.

HMS is rubbing off on Smoke?

Some thinks JJ = Pearson. I'm not sure what to think. :)) or :(( or both. :evil:

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/entry_list.html)
Entry List | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36


CAR DRIVER HOMETOWN MAKE SPONSOR OWNER
00 David Reutimann Zephyrhills, FL Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine Michael Waltrip
1 Martin Truex Jr. Mayetta, NJ Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker Teresa Earnhardt
2 Kurt Busch Las Vegas, NV Dodge Miller Lite Walter Czarnecki
5 Mark Martin Batesville, AR Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's Mary Hendrick
6 David Ragan Unadilla, GA Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs John Henry
7 Robby Gordon Orange, CA Toyota Mapei/Menards Robby Gordon
07 Casey Mears Bakersfield, CA Chevrolet Jack Daniel's Richard Childress
08 Derrike Cope Spanaway, WA Toyota Carter/Simo Racing John Carter
9 Kasey Kahne Enumclaw, WA Dodge Budweiser George Gillett, Jr
09 Mike Bliss Milwaukie, OR Dodge Miccosukee Resort & Gaming James Finch
11 Denny Hamlin Chesterfield, VA Toyota FedEx Office J D Gibbs
12 Brad Keselowski Rochester Hills, MI Dodge Penske Racing Roger Penske
14 Tony Stewart Rushville, IN Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice Margaret Haas
16 Greg Biffle Vancouver, WA Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape Jack Roush
17 Matt Kenseth Cambridge, WI Ford Dewalt John Henry
18 Kyle Busch Las Vegas, NV Toyota M&M's Joe Gibbs
19 Elliott Sadler Emporia, VA Dodge Stanley George Gillett, Jr
20 Joey Logano * Middletown, CT Toyota Home Depot Joe Gibbs
21 Bill Elliott Dawsonville, GA Ford Motorcraft Glen Wood
24 Jeff Gordon Pittsboro, IN Chevrolet DuPont Rick Hendrick
26 Jamie McMurray Joplin, MO Ford Crown Royal Geoff Smith
29 Kevin Harvick Bakersfield, CA Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil Richard Childress
31 Jeff Burton South Boston, VA Chevrolet Caterpillar Richard Childress
33 Clint Bowyer Emporia, KS Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper Bobby Ginn III
34 John Andretti Indianapolis, IN Chevrolet Taco Bell Teresa Earnhardt
36 Michael McDowell Phoenix, AZ Toyota Wave Energy Drink Tommy Baldwin
37 Tony Raines La Porte, IN Chevrolet Long John Silver's Brad Jenkins
39 Ryan Newman South Bend, IN Chevrolet Haas Automation Tony Stewart
42 Juan Montoya Bogota, Colombia Chevrolet Target Teresa Earnhardt
43 Reed Sorenson Peachtree City, GA Dodge Valvoline Richard Petty
44 A.J. Allmendinger Los Gatos, CA Ford Richard Petty Motorsports George Gillett, Jr
47 Marcos Ambrose Launceston, Tasmania Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox Rob Kauffman
48 Jimmie Johnson El Cajon, CA Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools Jeff Gordon
55 Michael Waltrip Owensboro, KY Toyota NAPA Auto Parts Michael Waltrip
66 Dave Blaney Hartford, OH Toyota The Denny Hamlin Foundation Phil Parsons
77 Sam Hornish Jr. Bryan, OH Dodge AAA Bill Davis
78 Regan Smith Cato, NY Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies Barney Visser
82 Scott Speed * Manteca, CA Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
83 Brian Vickers Thomasville, NC Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Kannapolis, NC Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy Rick Hendrick
96 Erik Darnell Beach Park, IL Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors Jeffrey Moorad
98 Paul Menard Eau Claire, WI Ford Vertis/Menards Max Jones
99 Carl Edwards Columbia, MO Ford Aflac Jack Roush
113 Max Papis * Como, Italy Toyota GEICO Bob Germain
170 Mike Skinner Susanville, CA Chevrolet TRG Motorsports Kevin Buckler
171 Bobby Labonte Corpus Christi, TX Chevrolet TRG Motorsports Kevin Buckler

*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

No way JJ = David Pearson

No way how? JJ not as good/lucky as DP, or better/more lucky? :eh:

[WhiteHatBobby]

Stremme out . . . now! Penske Racing announced Brad Keselowski will take over the #12 ******** Dodge immediately starting with Texas instead of waiting for Daytona.

[JimGP20]

No way how? JJ not as good/lucky as DP, or better/more lucky? :eh:


I think she means that Johnson couldn't hold Pearson's jock strap. I agree with that sentiment.

Without the chase format, Johnson wouldn't be trying to win his 4th Cup in a row. To me, there will always be an asterisk next to any championship won after 2004.

[Samm]

I think she means that Johnson couldn't hold Pearson's jock strap. I agree with that sentiment.

Without the chase format, Johnson wouldn't be trying to win his 4th Cup in a row. To me, there will always be an asterisk next to any championship won after 2004.

Someone here was keeping track of what the placement would be if the chase did not exist.... I haven't been paying that much attention to that detail, but it seems to me that Jimmy has out shined pretty much everybody else over the last 7 races.

Anybody? What would the standings be if there was no chase?

[JimGP20]

Someone here was keeping track of what the placement would be if the chase did not exist.... I haven't been paying that much attention to that detail, but it seems to me that Jimmy has out shined pretty much everybody else over the last 7 races.

Anybody? What would the standings be if there was no chase?


This is what the standings would be under the old system:

1) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4752
2) #14-Tony Stewart, 4745, -7
3) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4673, -72
4) #5-Mark Martin, 4315, -430
5) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4271, -474
6) #42-Juan Montoya, 4260, -485
7) #2-Kurt Busch, 4248, -497
8) #16-Greg Biffle, 4157, -588
9) #39-Ryan Newman, 4118, -627
10) #9-Kasey Kahne, 4094, -651

Furthermore, in we had been running under the old system since 2004, JJ would have only 1 championship under his belt, that one coming in 2006.

[Nik Notorious]

I think she means that Johnson couldn't hold Pearson's jock strap. I agree with that sentiment.

Without the chase format, Johnson wouldn't be trying to win his 4th Cup in a row. To me, there will always be an asterisk next to any championship won after 2004.


That's a hard statement to get behind. I'll give you, Jimmie has owned the Chase format, but we can't say that he wouldn't have been just as good without it. This team treats the entire season like a restrictor plate race. Hang around, don't screw up too badly, and be there at the end. There's no telling how they would have gone at it without the stupid chase to deal with.

As far as the asterisk goes though, I'm with you. There's the Winston Cup Champions, and then there's the Nextel/Sprint Cup Champions. The two are not the same.

[Xena]

This is what the standings would be under the old system:

1) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4752
2) #14-Tony Stewart, 4745, -7
3) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4673, -72
4) #5-Mark Martin, 4315, -430
5) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4271, -474
6) #42-Juan Montoya, 4260, -485
7) #2-Kurt Busch, 4248, -497
8) #16-Greg Biffle, 4157, -588
9) #39-Ryan Newman, 4118, -627
10) #9-Kasey Kahne, 4094, -651

Furthermore, in we had been running under the old system since 2004, JJ would have only 1 championship under his belt, that one coming in 2006.

I use the Crappy stats and the Classic stats:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=63298161&postcount=3524

[WhiteHatBobby]

Jimmie would have won last year's title too, because of the unwritten rule of the last race of the season. Last year, if we had used the previous system, he would have held the points lead into the last race, although by a smaller margin. He took no gambles and hung around knowing that the title was his. Carl Edwards had to gamble and take risks. If Johnson's lead was under the old system, he would have been more aggressive in going for the win instead of operating on a "put this car home in one piece on the lead lap as possible" strategy.

If the points leader has a decent lead into the last race, that team will go into prevent defense. Their goal goes from winning the race to protecting the lead and trying not to make any bonehead moves that would cost them the championship. The second-place driver is reckless trying to make the moves to win the title.

When comparing points systems, the penultimate race (Mountain Dew Southern 500 in 2004; O'Reilly Auto Parts 500k, 2005-present) should be the last race to compare because the strategy changes for Homestead based on the size of the points lead headed there.

[Xena]

Dear NASCAR,

"Shut up and watch me change the channel". :lol:

[Xena]

Final UNOFFICAL Classic Driver Points Standings
[after Homestead race 36 of 36]: (http://jayski.com/next/2008/36hms2008.htm)
1) #99-Carl Edwards 5236 [9 wins]
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 5220 -16 [7 wins]
3) #18-Kyle Busch 4984 -252 [8 wins]
4) #16-Greg Biffle 4747 -489 [2 wins]
5) #31-Jeff Burton 4709 -527 [2 wins]
6) #29-Kevin Harvick 4691 -545
7) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4605 -631 [1 win]
8) #24-Jeff Gordon 4537 - 699
9) #20-Tony Stewart 4487 -749 [1 win]
10) #07-Clint Bowyer 4487 - 749 [1 win]
11) #11-Denny Hamlin 4439 -797 [1 win]
12) #17-Matt Kenseth 4316 -920
13) #6-David Ragan 4299 -937
14) #9-Kasey Kahne 4085 -1151 [2 wins]
(11-16-2008)

[Samm]

That's a hard statement to get behind. I'll give you, Jimmie has owned the Chase format, but we can't say that he wouldn't have been just as good without it. This team treats the entire season like a restrictor plate race. Hang around, don't screw up too badly, and be there at the end. There's no telling how they would have gone at it without the stupid chase to deal with.

As far as the asterisk goes though, I'm with you. There's the Winston Cup Champions, and then there's the Nextel/Sprint Cup Champions. The two are not the same.

I don't buy it... the Chase is different, but that does not change the level of competition and they all race according to the same rules. The rules of NASCAR have changed many times over since its inception. For instance, should they asterisk all super speedway wins since the institution of restrictor plates? How about car heights? ... or air dams? Maybe you guys forget the days of Jr. Johnson, David Pearson, and Richard Petty, etc... there were only a handful of cars capable of winning consistently. Now there are dozens. Much of that has to do with the evolution of NASCAR rules.

I don't like the Chase either, but it in no way diminishes the value of the Championship.

[Samm]

Jimmie would have won last year's title too, because of the unwritten rule of the last race of the season. Last year, if we had used the previous system, he would have held the points lead into the last race, although by a smaller margin. He took no gambles and hung around knowing that the title was his. Carl Edwards had to gamble and take risks. If Johnson's lead was under the old system, he would have been more aggressive in going for the win instead of operating on a "put this car home in one piece on the lead lap as possible" strategy.

If the points leader has a decent lead into the last race, that team will go into prevent defense. Their goal goes from winning the race to protecting the lead and trying not to make any bonehead moves that would cost them the championship. The second-place driver is reckless trying to make the moves to win the title.

When comparing points systems, the penultimate race (Mountain Dew Southern 500 in 2004; O'Reilly Auto Parts 500k, 2005-present) should be the last race to compare because the strategy changes for Homestead based on the size of the points lead headed there.

You are correct... It is impossible to make a direct comparison. Jimmie's team are masters at doing what it takes to win; he very well could have won in 2007 as well under the old format.

[Nik Notorious]

I don't like the Chase either, but it in no way diminishes the value of the Championship.

It doesn't diminish the value, it just makes it a different Championship. In my opinion, anyway. The three Cale won are just different than the three Jimmie has won so far, and even the fourth he's about to. I don't doubt that Jimmie could have won a title under the old rules, I just wish we'd have had the chance to see him try.

[Xena]

Just look to 2008:

Final UNOFFICAL Classic Driver Points Standings
[after Homestead race 36 of 36]: (http://jayski.com/next/2008/36hms2008.htm)
1) #99-Carl Edwards 5236 [9 wins]
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 5220 -16 [7 wins]
3) #18-Kyle Busch 4984 -252 [8 wins]
4) #16-Greg Biffle 4747 -489 [2 wins]
5) #31-Jeff Burton 4709 -527 [2 wins]
6) #29-Kevin Harvick 4691 -545
7) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4605 -631 [1 win]
8) #24-Jeff Gordon 4537 - 699
9) #20-Tony Stewart 4487 -749 [1 win]
10) #07-Clint Bowyer 4487 - 749 [1 win]
11) #11-Denny Hamlin 4439 -797 [1 win]
12) #17-Matt Kenseth 4316 -920
13) #6-David Ragan 4299 -937
14) #9-Kasey Kahne 4085 -1151 [2 wins]
(11-16-2008)

[RETXED]

Take it from someone who has raced for 25 years...

You want to see racing? DO AWAY WITH ANY CHAMPIONSHIP Format.. Put the money towards wins and you will get more exciting racing because each race is it's own individual championship... Do you think drivers would "Sit back" if they didn't have to look at the "Bigger Picture"???

[WhiteHatBobby]

You are correct... It is impossible to make a direct comparison. Jimmie's team are masters at doing what it takes to win; he very well could have won in 2007 as well under the old format.

Michigan is a great example of the gambles you can take with the Chase format. We're in the regular season, and the drivers who are leading and assured of a playoff position can go out and run reckless, since the only thing on the line are race wins and ten extra bonus points. At Michigan in August, without the Chase format, Jimmie would have almost certainly have simply taken the fuel earlier and not lost 20+ positions in the race as he did. He gambled because it was a no-lose situation. Win, and get ten for the playoff. Lose this gamble, and no harm, no foul, since you've already clinched.

From Indy to Richmond, the playbook changes. Teams that are comfortably clinched will take more risks going for wins, since the penalty for losing the gamble is far less than if it was in the old format.

[Xena]

Take it from someone who has raced for 25 years...

You want to see racing? DO AWAY WITH ANY CHAMPIONSHIP Format.. Put the money towards wins and you will get more exciting racing because each race is it's own individual championship... Do you think drivers would "Sit back" if they didn't have to look at the "Bigger Picture"???

:clap: :clap:

Unfortunely, that will never happen . . .

[iamredbeard]

NASCAR drivers everywhere are shaking in their boots with the news that Danica is coming aboard. :razz:

[Xena]

NASCAR drivers everywhere are shaking in their boots with the news that Danica is coming aboard. :razz:

She will have hissy fits over the COT. :whistle:

[Xena]

Fast and furious: NASCAR broadcasters let it all out
(http://www.roanoke.com/sports/racing/wb/223760)By Dustin Long | The Roanoke Times
Sunday, October 25, 2009

Kasey Kahne recently questioned NASCAR for throwing a caution for debris, saying it was done to improve the show and bunch the cars up, not for safety. What would you think if NASCAR just started saying it would throw cautions to keep the field close?

SPENCER: NASCAR has done that their whole life. They've thrown a caution for no reason sometimes. There was debris on the track that time, so they did cover themselves.

McREYNOLDS: You know the debris cautions drive me freaking crazy. But it's a catch-22. The thing that drives me crazy and Darrell [Waltrip] has said it on our broadcast, we used to race and you maybe have to go down the back straightaway and dodge something because it was sitting in the middle of the race track. These cars are very fast, and you know what, they can't sit there and debate. Is it something that could cause a problem or not? While they're debating, somebody runs over it and cuts a tire and hits the freaking wall. I do applaud them erring on the side of safety.

PETTY: I agree with Larry on that. The problem is when you see this car go down in the corner lap after lap after lap and that splitter drags and drags and drags and drags, then what's coming off that thing. Used to, we'd look for huge pieces of metal to cut a tire. Well, carbon fiber and some of the stuff they use now, it only takes a sliver about as big as your fingernail. You can't believe ... how sharp some of this stuff and how dangerous some of this stuff really is.

McREYNOLDS: The problem with the guy [Kahne] you took the quote from was a very frustrated driver that has had a horrendous Chase, and he was just involved in two wrecks in five laps.

It's been more than eight years since Dale Earnhardt's death, yet he remains, at least in some of the lists, in the top 10 in sales in this sport. Is that more a commentary on today's drivers or Earnhardt's power?
PETTY: Earnhardt left a void that hasn't been filled. Richard Petty left a void that hasn't been filled. Darrell Waltrip. Cale Yarborough. Those drivers left voids that haven't been filled. The problem we have today is if ... I go take the top 12 drivers in points and line them all up and ask them a question, they're all going to give me the same sound bite, except for Juan Montoya.

SPENCER: Watch all these young drivers coming up. These kids are so concerned about being a Sprint Cup driver that they've lost focus on what they're supposed to do. You know what they're supposed to do? They're supposed to freaking race and win. Old man Earnhardt ... he tried to win the race.

PETTY: I just laugh at this. How many times do you think on a Sunday afternoon or Monday morning that David Pearson or Richard Petty or Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison ... got up and [said], "I better call that guy and apologize for hitting him [on the track] yesterday. I feel really bad."

SPENCER: It makes me sick.

PETTY: How many times do you think that happens? My God! They got up Monday morning and looked in the mirror, laughed and went to work. That's the way it was. Because you know what? They had the trophy sitting in the living room and they had the check going in the bank.

McREYNOLDS: Some of the biggest disappointments I've had this year was at Martinsville when [Jimmie] Johnson knocked [Denny Hamlin] out of the way [to win the spring race] and Denny basically, he apologized in his interview. What is he doing?
PETTY: You never would have heard that.

McREYNOLDS: It's like, wait a minute you got knocked out of the way.
Where is this series now? Where is it headed?

SPENCER: This series is in trouble. This series is in serious trouble. All you've got to do is look at the grandstands. And when you see less and less people involved in this sport. It's not the drivers. It's not the car builders. It's simply competition is not where it needs to be.
People say it's also the economy that's keeping people out of the stands.

SPENCER: I don't agree with that. I think the people will come to events if it's worth coming to. One of the best races I've ever seen in my lifetime was right here in the (2009) All-Star race. I will put that race up against any race in the history of the sport. Six guys had a shot at winning that race.

I listened to Kurt Busch last week at California. The poor [guy] was scared to death. They didn't want to make no adjustments. That's one thing that Earnhardt, Pearson and Petty and Allison, they never had any fear. You know why? They knew how far they could go with their car. These guys don't know how far they can go.
This [Car of Tomorrow] is the best thing that ever happened to our sport? [No way]. It's the safest thing that has ever happened to our sport. Absolutely the worst car you will ever see in your life. No driver will tell you that because they're scared to ... death.

PETTY: What was your question again?
[The question is repeated about where the sport is headed]

PETTY: To me that is the big problem. The sport is not headed anywhere. That's why everybody is questioning things. We felt like the sport was doing this [sloping up], so nobody questioned anything while we felt like it was crowning. Now that we've plateaued, now which direction do we go in?

As Jimmy said, part of the blame goes to the cars. Part of the blame goes to the complacency and the vanilla-ness of the drivers. Part of the blame has to go to the economy. But at the same time, it circles back, and you can say there's not as many butts in the stands and there are just not as many eyes on the TV on Sunday afternoons.
Who in the sport has the most to lose for next year if they're not prepared for the upcoming season?

PETTY: We all have a lot to lose. The whole sport.

McREYNOLDS: I was trying to figure out how to say that but you're right.

PETTY: If we are sitting still, if we don't move again, then we've lost, so we all have a lot to lose, meaning from the sponsors to the TV to the drivers, to the owners and as important as anything, the fans. We have a lot to lose in what we have invested in the sport.

SPENCER: I think NASCAR really needs to look at the competition side of it, figure out how to get teams like Childress and Roush back involved and keep Ganassi involved. Get the Gibbs teams picked up.

PETTY: There's some stupid saying, and I wish I was more educated, where if you don't study history, you're doomed to repeat it. All we're doing right now is we're on the verge, and this is a Kyle Petty opinion probably nobody else's in this room, of repeating exactly what happened to CART and IRL [when the Indy Car series broke into two series and divided the fan base, just as NASCAR's popularity was taking off].

SPENCER: We're closer than you probably realize.

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

Another note . . . the #12 ******** Dodge with Brad Keselowski will now be a white car with the red trip identifying it with its sponsor, ********, firmly planted. The cover-ups will be in black (instead of it being in white). The 2010 design is now being used because its 2010 driver is now driving it. This is only for the #12 Sprint Cup car, not the #12 Nationwide Series car that is sponsored by Verizon and Vodafone.

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/practice1_speeds.html/)
Practice 1 | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 189.381 28.514 Leader
2 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape 188.706 28.616 -0.102
3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools 188.633 28.627 -0.113
4 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 188.626 28.628 -0.114
5 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 188.383 28.665 -0.151
6 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 188.311 28.676 -0.162
7 6 David Ragan Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs 188.193 28.694 -0.180
8 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 188.166 28.698 -0.184
9 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 188.016 28.721 -0.207
10 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 187.859 28.745 -0.231
11 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 187.826 28.750 -0.236
12 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 187.793 28.755 -0.241
13 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 187.741 28.763 -0.249
14 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 187.709 28.768 -0.254
15 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 187.663 28.775 -0.261
16 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge AAA 187.637 28.779 -0.265
17 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 187.578 28.788 -0.274
18 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 187.513 28.798 -0.284
19 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Office 187.435 28.810 -0.296
20 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 187.415 28.813 -0.299
21 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 187.409 28.814 -0.300
22 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 187.175 28.850 -0.336
23 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Valvoline 186.864 28.898 -0.384
24 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target/Dream in Color 186.832 28.903 -0.389
25 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 186.793 28.909 -0.395
26 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 186.574 28.943 -0.429
27 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 186.541 28.948 -0.434
28 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley 186.522 28.951 -0.437
29 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Kingsford/Clorox/Little Debbie 186.445 28.963 -0.449
30 202 David Gilliland Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance 186.432 28.965 -0.451
31 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 186.406 28.969 -0.455
32 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 186.355 28.977 -0.463
33 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Mapei/Menards 186.156 29.008 -0.494
34 37 Tony Raines Chevrolet Long John Silver's 186.124 29.013 -0.499
35 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Choctaw Casino Resort 185.957 29.039 -0.525
36 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 185.389 29.128 -0.614
37 98 Paul Menard Ford Vertis/Menards 185.319 29.139 -0.625
38 170 Mike Skinner Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 184.982 29.192 -0.678
39 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink 184.893 29.206 -0.692
40 66 Dave Blaney Toyota The Denny Hamlin Foundation 184.704 29.236 -0.722
41 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 184.704 29.236 -0.722
42 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 184.577 29.256 -0.742

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/qual_order.html)
Qualifying Order | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36

ORDER CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR
1 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt
2 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley
3 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's
4 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target/Dream in Color
5 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools
6 20 Joey Logano* Toyota Home Depot
7 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Valvoline
8 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing
9 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull
10 6 David Ragan Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs
11 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal
12 98 Paul Menard Ford Vertis/Menards
13 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice
14 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy
15 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts
16 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser
17 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell
18 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Office
19 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker
20 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's
21 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Mapei/Menards
22 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape
23 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one.
24 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar
25 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont
26 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper
27 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac
28 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation
29 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors
30 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Kingsford/Clorox/Little Debbie
31 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge AAA
32 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine
33 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite
34 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Choctaw Casino Resort
35 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil
36 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull
37 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TRG Motorsports
38 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink
39 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports
40 202 David Gilliland Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance
41 21 Bill Elliott Ford Motorcraft
42 09 Mike Bliss Dodge Miccosukee Resort & Gaming
43 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies

*rookie

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

The biggie of the four into the Turn 2 concrete was Jeff Burton, the first double winner at Bruton's Speed Palace.

Also read that Francis Ferko, who sued NASCAR into removing a Grand Slam race to have this race (in association with Johnnie Cochran's law firm), and then moved to Chicago, is attending the race with his grandson.

[WhiteHatBobby]

David Reutimann will pick up a five-race sponsorship deal with one of NASCAR's longest-running sponsors, GSK Consumer Health Care. GSK will continue its association with Earnhardt Ganassi Racing as one of the brands that will "co-brand" EGR's Target sponsorship.

GSK is one of NASCAR's oldest sponsors, having been a NASCAR sponsor since 1977 with Goody's Headache Powder (1977-2005). GSK has increased its motorsports presence over the years with Goody's, Nicorette, and now Tums.

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/business/11/06/tums.mwaltrip/index.html?eref=/news/business

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/lineup.html)
Lineup | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36


POS CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR SPEED TIME BEHIND
1 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 191.117 28.255 Leader
2 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 190.975 28.276 -0.021
3 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 190.941 28.281 -0.026
4 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 190.624 28.328 -0.073
5 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 190.523 28.343 -0.088
6 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 190.148 28.399 -0.144
7 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 190.087 28.408 -0.153
8 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape 190.054 28.413 -0.158
9 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 189.960 28.427 -0.172
10 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 189.954 28.428 -0.173
11 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge AAA 189.900 28.436 -0.181
12 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools 189.860 28.442 -0.187
13 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 189.820 28.448 -0.193
14 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 189.800 28.451 -0.196
15 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 189.793 28.452 -0.197
16 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 189.700 28.466 -0.211
17 6 David Ragan Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs 189.700 28.466 -0.211
18 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Valvoline 189.593 28.482 -0.227
19 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Kingsford/Clorox/Little Debbie 189.587 28.483 -0.228
20 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target / Dream in Color 189.407 28.510 -0.255
21 202 David Gilliland Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance 188.950 28.579 -0.324
22 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 188.884 28.589 -0.334
23 170 Mike Skinner Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 188.844 28.595 -0.340
24 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 188.699 28.617 -0.362
25 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Office 188.686 28.619 -0.364
26 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 188.646 28.625 -0.370
27 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 188.587 28.634 -0.379
28 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet CBR Motorcars 188.350 28.670 -0.415
29 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Mapei/Menards 188.317 28.675 -0.420
30 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 188.304 28.677 -0.422
31 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 188.016 28.721 -0.466
32 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 187.990 28.725 -0.470
33 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley 187.944 28.732 -0.477
34 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 187.820 28.751 -0.496
35 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 187.800 28.754 -0.499
36 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Choctaw Casino Resort 187.793 28.755 -0.500
37 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink 187.474 28.804 -0.549
38 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 187.182 28.849 -0.594
39 98 Paul Menard Ford Vertis/Menards 186.832 28.903 -0.648
40 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 186.438 28.964 -0.709
41 34 John Andretti + Chevrolet Taco Bell 186.188 29.003 -0.748
42 31 Jeff Burton + Chevrolet Caterpillar 183.767 29.385 -1.130
43 21 Bill Elliott Ford Motorcraft -Champion's Provisional-


+ Set by Owner Points
* Denotes Rookie

<snip>

[spinach]

I thought I would never get burned out on NASCAR.

The big thing is that JJ is going to win another championship--in a system I loathe
and he has a crew chief that is a cheater.

and then you have all the idiotic rule changes.
Just typing this out makes me madder.

I really dunno if I wanna watch this race, or any more of them.
Not until something changes

[Warrior4God]

How do ya'll think Keselowski will do in a Penske Dodge at Texas?

My guess is around 18th


Well my driver finally gets a pole this year and looks to have a good car.(hope he does well in practice today)

[Xena]

I thought I would never get burned out on NASCAR.

The big thing is that JJ is going to win another championship--in a system I loathe
and he has a crew chief that is a cheater.

and then you have all the idiotic rule changes.
Just typing this out makes me madder.

I really dunno if I wanna watch this race, or any more of them.
Not until something changes

You are not alone. Did you read this?

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=63551571&postcount=3564

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/practice2_speeds.html/)
Practice 2 | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36


Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 186.812 28.906 Leader
2 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot / Old Spice 186.715 28.921 -0.015
3 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target/Dream in Color 186.265 28.991 -0.085
4 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 186.252 28.993 -0.087
5 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 185.714 29.077 -0.171
6 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 185.688 29.081 -0.175
7 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 185.580 29.098 -0.192
8 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Office 185.580 29.098 -0.192
9 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 185.319 29.139 -0.233
10 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools 185.312 29.140 -0.234
11 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 185.058 29.180 -0.274
12 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 184.969 29.194 -0.288
13 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape 184.837 29.215 -0.309
14 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 184.691 29.238 -0.332
15 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 184.634 29.247 -0.341
16 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 184.502 29.268 -0.362
17 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 184.294 29.301 -0.395
18 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 184.206 29.315 -0.409
19 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Kingsford/Clorox/Little Debbie 184.200 29.316 -0.410
20 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 184.150 29.324 -0.418
21 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Choctaw Casino Resort 183.917 29.361 -0.455
22 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 183.749 29.388 -0.482
23 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 183.667 29.401 -0.495
24 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 183.574 29.416 -0.510
25 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 183.530 29.423 -0.517
26 202 David Gilliland Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance 183.405 29.443 -0.537
27 6 David Ragan Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs 183.132 29.487 -0.581
28 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 183.032 29.503 -0.597
29 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 182.865 29.530 -0.624
30 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley 182.809 29.539 -0.633
31 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Valvoline 182.242 29.631 -0.725
32 21 Bill Elliott Ford Motorcraft 182.242 29.631 -0.725
33 98 Paul Menard Ford Vertis/Menards 182.070 29.659 -0.753
34 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge AAA 181.403 29.768 -0.862
35 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 181.330 29.780 -0.874
36 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 181.208 29.800 -0.894
37 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 181.147 29.810 -0.904
38 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 180.796 29.868 -0.962
39 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet CBR Motorcars 180.711 29.882 -0.976

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/practice3_speeds.html/)
Practice 3 | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools 186.670 28.928 Leader
2 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 186.265 28.991 -0.063
3 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Office 185.810 29.062 -0.134
4 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape 185.503 29.110 -0.182
5 21 Bill Elliott Ford Motorcraft 184.893 29.206 -0.278
6 6 David Ragan Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs 184.868 29.210 -0.282
7 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Mapei/Menards 184.641 29.246 -0.318
8 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 184.546 29.261 -0.333
9 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 184.319 29.297 -0.369
10 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 184.269 29.305 -0.377
11 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 184.231 29.311 -0.383
12 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 184.225 29.312 -0.384
13 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 183.986 29.350 -0.422
14 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target/Dream in Color 183.905 29.363 -0.435
15 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 183.749 29.388 -0.460
16 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 183.699 29.396 -0.468
17 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 183.636 29.406 -0.478
18 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Valvoline 183.387 29.446 -0.518
19 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 183.318 29.457 -0.529
20 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 183.038 29.502 -0.574
21 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet CBR Motorcars 182.921 29.521 -0.593
22 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 182.692 29.558 -0.630
23 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge AAA 182.617 29.570 -0.642
24 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 182.513 29.587 -0.659
25 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 182.402 29.605 -0.677
26 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 182.168 29.643 -0.715
27 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 182.045 29.663 -0.735
28 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 181.726 29.715 -0.787
29 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 181.561 29.742 -0.814
30 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Choctaw Casino Resort 181.525 29.748 -0.820
31 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 181.281 29.788 -0.860
32 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 181.269 29.790 -0.862
33 202 David Gilliland Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance 181.099 29.818 -0.890
34 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 181.044 29.827 -0.899
35 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Kingsford/Clorox/Little Debbie 180.862 29.857 -0.929
36 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley 180.699 29.884 -0.956
37 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 180.307 29.949 -1.021
38 98 Paul Menard Ford Vertis/Menards 180.246 29.959 -1.031
39 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 180.234 29.961 -1.033

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.texasmotorspeedway.com/)
Texas | 2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36
Green at 3:31 p.m. ET

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR%20Tracks/FortWorth.jpg

[WhiteHatBobby]

NASCAR's Camping World Series Western Division champion will make his debut in a Nationwide race at Phoenix next Saturday, and will skip the NASCAR Regional Racing Awards Banquet next Saturday in Charlotte to race.

One step up for a NASCAR regional champion -- exactly the goal.

http://localracing.nascar.com/node/4045

[Xena]

Gentlemen, start your engines!

[Xena]

Boogity, boogity, boogity!

Let's go racin boys!

[Xena]

Caution 1 - 48 into the wall

[spinach]

Jeff G, Tony, Mark M back into the chase!

JJ wrecked....high chance of being done for the day....

[spinach]

00 might have loosened up the 77

the 77 took out jimmie
then the 48 took back out the 77

wild

[spinach]

JPM also has an outside chance to win the championship now

MM and Jeff G are now only about 40 points back

unfortunately... that likely means that these two guys have to race to avoid crashes. A wreck would end their chances.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Reutimann and Hornish were racing for tenth, and Hornish tapped Johnson. That's what happened. Jarrett doesn't know if Reutimann tapped Hornish or not.

Now Johnson cannot be caught today but this is huge. If he can't finish he'll be worse than the Start and Parks.

Knaus cannot believe it and he's already at work. This is the first time since Talladega 2006 where Johnson has had such a bad finish in the playoffs. And once again (considering how this race was started by a fan (along with the Cochran Firm) suing NASCAR to remove Darlington's Southern 500 off the calendar) the Curse of the Southern 500 has struck. Only one Southern 500 champion (Johnson, 2004, last before lawsuit) has won the Dickies 500.

[Xena]

The crowd were clapping. Not very nice.

[spinach]

The crowd were clapping. Not very nice.

well, it put a lot of drivers back into a chance to win the championship...
I don't think they would have clapped if Jimmie had not kept going...

I can't imagine that

once he was back on his way, they probably clapped.
not nice, but hey-- this is a championship!

[spinach]

hey Xena, check out that wicked slide they do off of turn 4....

there are gonna be wrecks there later on, when the tires go south.
the rear tires are gonna wear faster than the front, I think

[WhiteHatBobby]

Absolutely rude. I remember fans did the same thing in the 1990's when Dale Earnhardt Snr had an engine fail, mechanical failure, or crash. They cheered because they feel the dynasty may not be there.

For the #48, they are in "24 Heures du Mans" mode now. They will probably pit like those pit stops and work on the car.

[spinach]

and JJ's team has to try to get back out there

every point can be crucial
and JJ could gain maybe a handful of spots today if some guys end up totaled.

[spinach]

Kurt B has a huge lead...

the other teams have some adjusting to do.
Kurt's team must have it perfect...

[Xena]

Spinach, is WNDB working?

[spinach]

Spinach, is WNDB working?


dunno
let me check

[spinach]

sounds like it's breaking up a lot

here's a list of alternates:
link here for MRN sites (http://radiotime.com/affiliate/a_33187/station/Motor_Racing_Network_Radio_Stations.aspx)

[spinach]

pit stops! green flag stops
this is REAL racing, unlike that crap from last week

[Xena]

I've got it. :)

[Xena]

Kyle leading

[WhiteHatBobby]

Smoke adds another driver to his roster on the mud side. This one will drive all sorts of sprint cars -- both the 5900 and 6800 varieties.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/woo-tony-stewart-racing-adds-driver/

[WhiteHatBobby]

Can't get any streams. Inner City (the Air America affiliate) has dominated radio in the nearby markets that they've blocked NASCAR from our area.

[spinach]

I've got it. :)

yeah, a lot of sites aren't broadcasting the race

daytona was breaking up
so I'm going with 93.1 WFGM West Virginia
really good audio!

:)

[spinach]

Can't get any streams. Inner City (the Air America affiliate) has dominated radio in the nearby markets that they've blocked NASCAR from our area.

click me! (http://radiotime.com/WebTuner.aspx?StationId=23656&)

you should hear the race

[Xena]

Ambrose up to 6th from 35th

[Xena]

Busch 1 and 2

[Xena]

Caution 2 - Hornish spun; three flat tires.

[WhiteHatBobby]

Hornish spun and hit the wall. He has caused both safety cars today.

[spinach]

wow

marcus ambrose is in 5th

look for him to be REALLY good next year.


caution!!
hornish bites the dust!

I think his career in Nascar may end this year....he's just too flipping sloppy and wrecks almost every race
that team needs to bring over someone from the nationwide series. Junk hornish.

[Xena]

Speed is the fast of the bunch at now

[spinach]

Speed is the fast of the bunch at now


translate that please....from Schlitz to english...
:))

[spinach]

48 should come back out soon....
give it about 4-6 laps or so

[spinach]

smoke to 2nd!!

[Xena]

Smoke up to 3rd

[spinach]

42 and 24 swapping spots

real racing! not like that crap last week

[Xena]

translate that please....from Schlitz to english...
:))

Scott Speed :razz:

[Xena]

The Dinger looking good

[spinach]

Scott Speed :razz:

yeah
he's okay and up and coming

I think steven Leicht will be good someday too--
all he needs is a shot and a team, I think
and some seat time.

[Xena]

42 and 24 swapping spots

real racing! not like that crap last week

No kidding. I hope the two races after this, will be real RACING too!

[spinach]

The Dinger looking good

nah, he's just waiting to pick out the section of wall he will knock down...
:doh:

[spinach]

No kidding. I hope the two races after this, will be real RACING too!

yeah
homestead always is good.

what kills racing is the stupid restrictor plates
all they have to do is lower the gears.
that kills the top end speed, but aids acceleration off the corner
and forces the drivers to not induce wheel spin
and also does not kill the power, for passing.

the way to go is lower gears.

[Xena]

Chad yells ``fire in the hole'' as JJ cranks the motor

[spinach]

Jamie mac going to chip ganassi racing next season

he won a race this year, so that assured him a ride somewhere.

[spinach]

JJ back on the track...

check out the car

"the black knight"

reminds me of the look of a certain driver.......DE senior

[Xena]

I hope the other drivers won't go by without making him race.

[spinach]

something wrong on the 48
he's pitting...

[spinach]

I hope the other drivers won't go by without making him race.
you can bet JJ and crew will be clawing for every point.

that means JJ will be racing

[Xena]

JJ back on the track...

check out the car

"the black knight"

reminds me of the look of a certain driver.......DE senior

JJ is about least compared to Dale!

[spinach]

47 the fastest on the track??

[spinach]

JJ is about least compared to Dale!

JJ is a cleaner driver, and far more patient. However, that may actually have cost him some races.

but no one could beat DE senior at getting a decent finish from a crap car.
I've seen him many times holler about how bad the car was, and manage to get to 10th with it.

[spinach]

Jeff G does not like the car

tight in, loose off. they went the wrong way on the pit stop--
or overdid it.

typical

track is cooling
and that means adjustments are gonna be HELL with this cranky COT

[spinach]

Dale jr up to 7th

Newman said his head hurts-- and it hurts to slide on the helmet.
I hope he has an ultra clean race.

He probably should have sat this one out.

[spinach]

green flag stops to begin very soon....

Jeff G says "the car is JUNK with a capital J" :))

yeah, it's obvious they blew the adjustment

[Xena]

Jimmie and Chad were having some passive/aggressive frustrated bickering on radio about getting new tires.

Chad Knaus told Jimmie Johnson he couldn't go any slower or he would be slower than the minimum speed.

[spinach]

pee wee hermans crew has a 12.7 stop....

that's some "pee wee whoop ass" right there...
:clap::clap:

[spinach]

Jimmie and Chad were having some passive/aggressive frustrated bickering on radio about getting new tires.

Chad Knaus told Jimmie Johnson he couldn't go any slower or he would be slower than the minimum speed.

I am amazed they came back out
we don't want jimmie driving something dangerous.
They need to fix it, if they want him to drive.

[spinach]

Jeff G team blew another stop...

car is still junk...
he should pit--- and take the lap down and hope for a lucky dog later.

[spinach]

yay!!!

a caution saved Jeff G from a lap down!

hooray!!

now Letarte needs to fix that dadgum car!! $@&@#&& !!!

[Xena]

Caution 3 - Jeff Gordon is reporting debris in Turn 1 :think:

[spinach]

Dale Jr to 3rd....

let's see if someone can catch pee wee now

[Xena]

Did they show the debris?

[spinach]

Caution 3 - Jeff Gordon is reporting debris in Turn 1 :think:

hmmmm........that does kinda smell funny...

:whistle:

is nascar playing favorites?
I hope there was legit debris on the track, and not just some plastic bag or whatnot

[spinach]

Did they show the debris?

not yet
I wish they would have.

there are some cars out there running around with some shaky stuff on them.

Joey Logano was reporting debris for several laps

[spinach]

those tire changer helmet-cams are awesome.. it kinda puts you "in the race" in a way.

:cool:

[spinach]

99 wrecked

took out the 24 -- for a spin no damage

the 42 also wrecked

mark martin is looking REALLY good now with all the point leaders having issues

[Xena]

Caution 4 - Gordo spun. Juan Montoya is in the wall with significant damage. Jeff Gordon needs four tires but no fuel after penalty.

[Xena]

Carl got clipped. Dammit.

[WhiteHatBobby]

In the turns near the wall there is a set of LED caution lights that lights up near the wall that's level with the pavement. That was put there for the IRL Izod IndyCar race at the track.

[spinach]

Carl got clipped. Dammit.

yep

JPM clipped him, but also wrecked himself.

the big winner out of this is Mark Martin

JPM in the garage

Jeff G no damage [or just a splitter brace is broke...no biggie]

[spinach]

Jeff G is 18th
last car on the lead lap. Not bad for almost going a lap down, and then being spun.

Now let's race!
:)

[Xena]

Gordon's crew and Dale Jr. crew were over there trying to help them and he was fussing at them also

Gordo "How the **** did we get so far back?!"

[spinach]

Carl said "he was aero loose, and that's just racing"

[Xena]

Tony burped on his scanner a few minutes ago :))

[Xena]

Caution 5 - Reed Sorenson has damage after hitting the wall just off the corner. He is headed to the garage

[Xena]

Lap 207 -- Several cars are on pit road. Tony Stewart makes a track bar adjustment, gets four tires and fuel. Kyle Busch makes no adjustments and gets out quick. Jeff Gordon is in an out with fuel.

[Xena]

The 48 is NOT keeping up, why isn't he getting black flagged? Just waiting for more cars to drop out so he can make up some spots?

:rolleyes:

[Xena]

Logano reports smoke coming from car

[spinach]

The 48 is NOT keeping up, why isn't he getting black flagged? Just waiting for more cars to drop out so he can make up some spots?

:rolleyes:

he's making minimum speed.
but that's about it.

[spinach]

Jeff G is loose now...
apparently they went a little too far with the last adjustment...

if they tighten him just a tick he might be able to race.
though, after he runs a few laps on this setup he might get better.

[spinach]

Xena, smoke is up to 4th....

the busch brothers might wanna watch out
late in the race Tony might sneak in...
:think:

[spinach]

man, those cars slide a LOT out of 2 and 4
I am amazed there hasn't been more wrecks.

[Xena]

Officials checking for debris in Turn 1. :think:

[Xena]

So glad that they told us again about Jimmie Johnson wrecking - I almost forgot ALL about that happening. Hmm...Yeah..

:think:

[Xena]

Reuti has a good race so for

[Xena]

Jr loose, but not too bad

[Xena]

Harvick: We ain't short are we? " Gil Martin" "We're about 2 short." "But,Bowyer & Burton are short also"

[spinach]

Kyle saving fuel...
that's a bad strategy.

he should run hard, and then hope for a caution to save some fuel

[spinach]

Harvick: We ain't short are we? " Gil Martin" "We're about 2 short." "But,Bowyer & Burton are short also"


everyone is short about 2-3 laps

why kyle is saving fuel mystifies me.

[spinach]

crap Jeff G just went a lap down...

[Xena]

Reuti drops 2.5 seconds behind Kyle Busch, who leads the field for another lap

[Xena]

Kasey Kahne radioed the crew that it felt like something broke-might be a valve :eek:

[Xena]

13 to go

[Xena]

Tony's getting impatient, Darian holding him off :eek:

[Xena]

Kyle out of gas

[Xena]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR/CheckeredFlag2.gif

Congrats to Kurt!

[spinach]

Jeff G finished 13th....I can live with that.
:snooty:

[Xena]

:)) Going backwards !!!!

[spinach]

:)) Going backwards !!!!

yeah that's cool.

Kurt is 4th in the points now
he has an outside chance to win, but it's gonna take another JJ crash.

[spinach]

Kurt ran out of gas showboating.....that's even more cool!!

:))

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/34/data/results_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Race Results | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36

FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 3 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 190/5 334 Running
2 25 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Office 175/5 334 Running
3 30 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 165/0 334 Running
4 7 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Carquest/Kellogg's 160/0 334 Running
5 24 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 155/0 334 Running
6 4 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 150/0 334 Running
7 10 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 146/0 334 Running
8 8 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Scotch Super 33 Tape 142/0 334 Running
9 42 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 138/0 334 Running
10 16 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 134/0 334 Running
11 5 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 140/10 334 Running
12 26 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 127/0 334 Running
13 1 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 129/5 334 Running
14 27 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 121/0 334 Running
15 19 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie Cupcakes/Kingsford/Clorox 118/0 334 In Pit
16 13 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 115/0 334 Running
17 17 6 David Ragan Ford UPS/Boys & Girls Clubs 112/0 332 Running
18 31 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 109/0 332 Running
19 14 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 106/0 332 Running
20 22 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 103/0 332 Running
21 36 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Choctaw Casino Resort 100/0 332 Running
22 33 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Stanley 97/0 332 Running
23 40 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 94/0 331 Running
24 41 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell 91/0 331 Running
25 9 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard/Amp Energy 88/0 331 Running
26 15 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 85/0 331 Running
27 29 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Mapei/Menards 82/0 331 Running
28 21 202 David Gilliland Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance 79/0 331 Running
29 39 98 Paul Menard Ford Vertis/Menards 76/0 331 Running
30 38 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 73/0 331 Running
31 28 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet CBR Motorcars 70/0 331 Running
32 32 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 67/0 330 Running
33 2 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 64/0 330 Running
34 43 21 Bill Elliott Ford Motorcraft 61/0 311 In Pit
35 35 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 58/0 262 Running
36 18 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Valvoline 55/0 248 Running
37 20 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target/Dream in Color 52/0 231 Running
38 12 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's/Kobalt Tools 49/0 205 Running
39 6 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 46/0 174 In Pit

*rookie
<snip>

[spinach]

A fan won a million bucks by Busch

even more cool! :)

Kurt always gives good interviews too...

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Driver Standings | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Jimmie Johnson 6297 Leader 34 3 6 14 22
2 -- Mark Martin 6224 -73 34 7 5 13 20
3 -- Jeff Gordon 6185 -112 34 1 1 16 23
4 +2 Kurt Busch 6126 -171 34 0 2 9 19
5 -- Tony Stewart 6119 -178 34 0 4 15 23
6 -2 Juan Montoya 6061 -236 34 2 0 7 17
7 -- Greg Biffle 6050 -247 34 0 0 10 16
8 +3 Denny Hamlin 5975 -322 34 1 3 13 18
9 -1 Ryan Newman 5973 -324 34 2 0 5 15
10 -1 Kasey Kahne 5898 -399 34 0 2 7 14
11 -1 Carl Edwards 5857 -440 34 0 0 7 13
12 -- Brian Vickers 5777 -520 34 6 1 4 13
CHASE FOR THE Sprint CUP - CURRENT CONTENDERS
13 -- Kyle Busch 4183 -2114 34 1 4 9 12
14 -- Matt Kenseth 4151 -2146 34 1 2 7 12
15 -- Clint Bowyer 4078 -2219 34 0 0 4 15
16 -- David Reutimann 3969 -2328 34 2 1 5 9
17 -- Jeff Burton 3677 -2620 34 0 0 3 8
18 -- Marcos Ambrose 3637 -2660 34 0 0 4 7
19 -- Joey Logano * 3600 -2697 34 0 1 3 7
20 -- Casey Mears 3571 -2726 34 0 0 0 4
21 -- Kevin Harvick 3535 -2762 34 0 0 4 8
22 -- Jamie McMurray 3389 -2908 34 0 1 1 5
23 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 3285 -3012 34 0 0 2 5
24 -- Martin Truex Jr. 3260 -3037 34 2 0 0 4
25 -- Elliott Sadler 3231 -3066 34 0 0 1 5
26 -- A.J. Allmendinger 3218 -3079 34 0 0 1 5
27 -- David Ragan 3097 -3200 34 0 0 0 2
28 -- Reed Sorenson 3019 -3278 34 0 0 0 1
29 +1 Bobby Labonte 3012 -3285 34 0 0 1 2
30 -1 Sam Hornish Jr. 2991 -3306 34 0 0 2 7
31 -- David Stremme 2919 -3378 33 0 0 0 0
32 -- Paul Menard 2818 -3479 34 0 0 0 0
33 -- Michael Waltrip 2706 -3591 32 0 0 0 2
34 -- Robby Gordon 2556 -3741 33 0 0 1 1
35 -- Scott Speed * 2544 -3753 33 0 0 1 1

*rookie
<snip>



Dickies 500 (http://jayski.com/next/2009/32mar2009.htm)
Unofficial Classic Driver Standings | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10 WINNINGS
1) #14-Tony Stewart (X), 4895
2) #24-Jeff Gordon (X), 4802, -93
3) #48-Jimmie Johnson (X), 4801, -94
4) #5-Mark Martin (X), 4475, -420
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (X), 4446, -449
6) #2-Kurt Busch (X), 4438, -457
7) #42-Juan Pablo Montoya (X), 4312, -583
8) #16-Greg Biffle (X), 4299, -596
9) #39-Ryan Newman (X), 4245, -650
10) #18-Kyle Busch, 4183, -712
11) #9-Kasey Kahne (X), 4158, -737
12) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4151, -744
13) #99-Carl Edwards (X), 4137, -758
14) #33-Clint Bowyer, 4078, -817
15) #83-Brian Vickers (X), 3975, -920
16) #00-David Reutimann, 3969, -926
(X) a chase driver.(11-8-2009)

*rookie
<snip>

[Samm]

Carl got clipped. Dammit.

yep

JPM clipped him, but also wrecked himself.

the big winner out of this is Mark Martin

JPM in the garage

Jeff G no damage [or just a splitter brace is broke...no biggie]
Gotta love Juan... blamed the wreck on Carl... for getting him loose. What a crybaby.

[Xena]

Dickies 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/stats/season_driver_rating.html)
Season Leaders: Driver Rating | Texas
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 8, 2009 | Race 34 of 36
RANK CAR DRIVER PTS. STANDING POS. HIGH RATING DRIVER RATING
1 48 Jimmie Johnson 1 150.0 111.0
2 24 Jeff Gordon 3 134.0 101.6
3 11 Denny Hamlin 8 150.0 101.3
4 14 Tony Stewart 5 141.5 100.7
5 5 Mark Martin 2 145.6 100.0
6 2 Kurt Busch 4 150.0 99.9
7 18 Kyle Busch 13 149.2 97.7
8 42 Juan Pablo Montoya 6 134.6 93.4
9 16 Greg Biffle 7 128.5 88.5
10 99 Carl Edwards 11 138.5 87.8
11 9 Kasey Kahne 10 132.4 87.8
12 17 Matt Kenseth 14 131.4 84.0
13 83 Brian Vickers 12 126.8 83.5
14 39 Ryan Newman 9 115.3 82.4
15 33 Clint Bowyer 15 112.7 82.3
16 00 David Reutimann 16 107.9 81.4
17 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 23 117.2 77.3
18 29 Kevin Harvick 21 116.5 74.8
19 31 Jeff Burton 17 111.0 74.7
20 1 Martin Truex Jr. 24 122.4 74.6
21 47 Marcos Ambrose 18 119.2 71.0
22 26 Jamie McMurray 22 99.4 70.3
23 20 Joey Logano * 19 106.0 68.1
24 07 Casey Mears 20 94.2 65.6
25 44 AJ Allmendinger 26 102.2 65.3
26 6 David Ragan 27 96.0 63.7
27 77 Sam Hornish Jr. 30 94.0 63.0
28 12 David Stremme 31 83.6 63.0
29 43 Reed Sorenson 28 85.1 57.4
30 19 Elliott Sadler 25 94.7 56.8
31 71 Bobby Labonte 29 103.7 56.0
32 7 Robby Gordon 34 72.1 51.6
33 98 Paul Menard 32 84.7 50.9
34 55 Michael Waltrip 33 81.2 50.0
35 82 Scott Speed * 35 69.5 47.2
36 02 David Gilliland 37 67.4 44.9

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Post-race inspection at track is complete.

Engines to R&D Center: Kurt Busch, Denny Hamlin and Jeff Gordon.

Cars to R&D Center Kurt Busch, Jeff Gordon and Mark Martin.

Martin Truex Jr. car has failed post-race inspection due to being to low.

[WhiteHatBobby]

That's two times this season fans have won loot from race results. In Joliet, a fan cashed a million-dollar day for having the same two drivers 1-2 in the two LifeLock-sponsored races at Michigan and Joliet (Martin-J. Gordon).

Johnson's chance to win the title are slim at Phoenix. Remember you need 196 to ensure a clinch at Phoenix, and 161 to win it by starting Homestead.

Driver on TV Alert: Tuesday, The Price Is Right (CBS Daytime) will feature Carl Edwards as host Drew Carey's guest. The show will be streamed online around 7 PM ET after it airs that morning. The show was taped in the days after the Pepsi 500 in Fontana.

[Xena]

Gotta love Juan... blamed the wreck on Carl... for getting him loose. What a crybaby.

He's a racer . . . need more of them . . .

[WhiteHatBobby]

NASCAR announced today the Prizegiving banquet December 4 will now air live on Speed. Reportedly NASCAR wasn't too happy with ESPN.

Las Vegas schedule:
Wednesday - Sprint Cup Champion's Roast. Includes a fan event that is free at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. Gates open at 9 AM and Neon Garage opens at 11 AM. Champion's Roast requires special ticket at Blackjack Club, only 300 tickets ($250). Event will be shown on garage televisions.

Thursday:
3:30 PM - Victory Lap at MGM Grand Garden, Spring Mountain Road, and returns to MGM Grand Garden.

Friday:
6:00 PM - Prizegiving banquet at the Wynn Las Vegas. Teams and sponsors are encouraged to invite fans to have tickets. LIVE on Speed.

The drivers aren't doing anything else -- that's why I think Las Vegas doesn't deserve the banquet personally. New York has drivers waving either the green or checkered flag to Wall Street, being on every major show, and taking the champions of all NASCAR Series. But Las Vegas is a big bore.

http://www.thatsracin.com/140/story/22229.html

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/official/11/10/champions.week/index.html

[Xena]

Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/35/data/entry_list.html)
Entry List | Phoenix
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 15, 2009 | Race 35 of 36


CAR DRIVER HOMETOWN MAKE SPONSOR OWNER
1 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine Michael Waltrip
2 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevy Bass Pro Shops Teresa Earnhardt
3 02 Brandon Ash Dodge Efusion Energy Club Kenneth Wood
4 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite Walter Czarnecki
5 5 Mark Martin Chevy Kelloggs/Carquest Mary Hendrick
6 6 David Ragan Ford UPS John Henry
7 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam Robby Gordon
8 07 Casey Mears Chevy Jack Daniel's Richard Childress
9 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser George Gillett, Jr
10 09 David Gilliland Chevy Miccosukee Indian Gaming & Resort James Finch
11 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground J D Gibbs
12 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing Roger Penske
13 13 Max Papis Toyota GEICO Bob Germain
14 14 Tony Stewart Chevy Old Spice/Office Depot Margaret Haas
15 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Jack Roush
16 17 Matt Kenseth Ford USG Sheetrock John Henry
17 18 Kyle Busch Toyota Pedigree Dog Food Joe Gibbs
18 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy Insignia George Gillett, Jr
19 20 Joe Logano Toyota Home Depot Joe Gibbs
20 24 Jeff Gordon Chevy DuPont Rick Hendrick
21 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Geoff Smith
22 29 Kevin Harvick Chevy Shell/Pennzoil Richard Childress
23 31 Jeff Burton Chevy CAT Financial Richard Childress
24 33 Clint Bowyer Chevy Cheerios Bobby Ginn
25 34 John Andretti Chevy Taco Bell Teresa Earnhardt
26 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink Tommy Baldwin
27 37 Tony Raines Chevy Long John Silver's Brad Jenkins
28 39 Ryan Newman Chevy U.S. Army Tony Stewart
29 42 Juan PabloMontoya Chevy Target Teresa Earnhardt
30 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge PVA.org Richard Petty
31 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford Drive One George Gillett, Jr
32 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie's Robert Kauffman
33 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevy Lowe's Jeff Gordon
34 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts Michael Waltrip
35 66 Dave Blaney Toyota TBA Phil Parsons
36 70 Kevin Conway Chevy ExtenZe Kevin Buckler
37 71 Bobby Labonte [PC1] Chevy TRG Motorsports Kevin Buckler
38 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 Bill Davis
39 78 Regan Smith Chevy Furniture Row Barney Visser
40 82 Scott Speed Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
41 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
42 87 Joe Nemechek Toyota TBA Andrea Nemechek
43 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevy AMP Energy/National Guard Rick Hendrick

*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

He's a racer . . . need more of them . . .

What we need is racers who don't blame all their problems on the track on other drivers. A few weeks ago at Bristol he bashed into Gordon repeatedly after being past (damned near wrecking him) then whined that Gordon was in his way and was blocking him; before that he whined that JJ "sped" on pit road which was why he was beat back onto the track. He is a great driver, but he is over-agressive and a chronic whiner. I'm glad he wrecked; too bad Carl got taken out too (although, he often deserves it as well...)

[Xena]

Hamlin questions Gordon's motives on bump drafting (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/10339954/Hamlin-questions-Gordon%27s-motives-on-bump-drafting)
by Lee Spencer

Updated: November 8, 2009, 7:08 PM EST

FORT WORTH, Texas - So what provoked Denny Hamlin to tweet "Jeff G (Gordon) told NASCAR we shouldn't be bump drafting ... Cuz they never did in the past. Who's running this sport?"

Before driver introductions for Sunday's Dickies 500, Hamlin questioned Gordon's motives.

Although Hamlin has tremendous respect for the four-time champion, he wonders whether Gordon lobbied NASCAR for the safety of all the competitors or because he couldn't get the No. 24 to perform the bump drafting to his liking?

"It's just frustrating that a driver has enough power to change how the whole field has to run," Hamlin said. "I think it should be a little broader group. I think it was a knee-jerk reaction by NASCAR wanting to please Jeff.

"Here's the thing, Jeff made comments earlier to me that his car wouldn't push very well. Of course, he wanted to get rid of that rule because it took away some of the advantage that the other guys had. Jeff, at times, looks out for himself. But I know he has the best interest of the sport at hand."

Hamlin is in his fourth full season in the Sprint Cup Series. Although he's a long way from reaching Gordon's stature, Hamlin's visibility has grown by qualifying for the Chase each of those four years and accumulating seven wins in 148 starts.

And with Hamlin turning 29 this month, the senior driver at Joe Gibbs Racing would like to take more of an authoritative role in the sport. Hamlin also lobbied for NASCAR to make more decisions by committee — or at least hearing from a wide variety of voices before a suggestion becomes an edict.

Jeff Gordon was not available for comment prior to Sunday's race but on Friday, he admitted that he approached the sanctioning body to address the perils of bump drafting.

Gordon added, "The open-door policy has its benefits" and "the biggest thing" he's seen since coming to the sport "was having the large group of drivers coming together in one room.

"If you really want to get something done, that's how you get it done, behind closed doors with that group. I think it's great they're reaching out. I think the more they can do with that, the better.

"The drivers feel like they're a part of the sport, what's going on, decisions that are being made. Just giving our input I think can help them make better decisions. So I'm all for it."

Yet for whatever reason, Hamlin doesn't feel that he's part of that clique. However, that's not going to stop the driver from voicing his opinion.

"I know it's an open-door policy," Hamlin said. "But myself, I've never been invited to any kind of private meeting or whatever that I've heard has happened. I'd like to think that I'll be in this sport for the next 15 or 20 years so they might want my opinion. I plan on being around here for a long time.

<snip>

[Warrior4God]

Hamlin questions Gordon's motives on bump drafting (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/10339954/Hamlin-questions-Gordon%27s-motives-on-bump-drafting)
by Lee Spencer

Updated: November 8, 2009, 7:08 PM EST

FORT WORTH, Texas - So what provoked Denny Hamlin to tweet "Jeff G (Gordon) told NASCAR we shouldn't be bump drafting ... Cuz they never did in the past. Who's running this sport?"

Before driver introductions for Sunday's Dickies 500, Hamlin questioned Gordon's motives.

Although Hamlin has tremendous respect for the four-time champion, he wonders whether Gordon lobbied NASCAR for the safety of all the competitors or because he couldn't get the No. 24 to perform the bump drafting to his liking?

"It's just frustrating that a driver has enough power to change how the whole field has to run," Hamlin said. "I think it should be a little broader group. I think it was a knee-jerk reaction by NASCAR wanting to please Jeff.

"Here's the thing, Jeff made comments earlier to me that his car wouldn't push very well. Of course, he wanted to get rid of that rule because it took away some of the advantage that the other guys had. Jeff, at times, looks out for himself. But I know he has the best interest of the sport at hand."

Hamlin is in his fourth full season in the Sprint Cup Series. Although he's a long way from reaching Gordon's stature, Hamlin's visibility has grown by qualifying for the Chase each of those four years and accumulating seven wins in 148 starts.

And with Hamlin turning 29 this month, the senior driver at Joe Gibbs Racing would like to take more of an authoritative role in the sport. Hamlin also lobbied for NASCAR to make more decisions by committee — or at least hearing from a wide variety of voices before a suggestion becomes an edict.

Jeff Gordon was not available for comment prior to Sunday's race but on Friday, he admitted that he approached the sanctioning body to address the perils of bump drafting.

Gordon added, "The open-door policy has its benefits" and "the biggest thing" he's seen since coming to the sport "was having the large group of drivers coming together in one room.

"If you really want to get something done, that's how you get it done, behind closed doors with that group. I think it's great they're reaching out. I think the more they can do with that, the better.

"The drivers feel like they're a part of the sport, what's going on, decisions that are being made. Just giving our input I think can help them make better decisions. So I'm all for it."

Yet for whatever reason, Hamlin doesn't feel that he's part of that clique. However, that's not going to stop the driver from voicing his opinion.

"I know it's an open-door policy," Hamlin said. "But myself, I've never been invited to any kind of private meeting or whatever that I've heard has happened. I'd like to think that I'll be in this sport for the next 15 or 20 years so they might want my opinion. I plan on being around here for a long time.

<snip>

Gordon was right in doing what he did.(If he felt that it was unsafe)

Hamlin has the right to "LOBBY" NASCAR if he wishes at any time.

He just comes off as a baby IMO.


The whole thing Hamlin said can be summed up in a few words.............



I'm tellin my Mommy on you Jeff Gordon.



The article says Hamlin has tremendous respect for Jeff.........I don't buy that, I think he is jealous of Jeff and wishes he had the following and respect Jeff has earned in NASCAR.

[Xena]

Gordon was right in doing what he did.(If he felt that it was unsafe)

Hamlin has the right to "LOBBY" NASCAR if he wishes at any time.

He just comes off as a baby IMO.


The whole thing Hamlin said can be summed up in a few words.............



I'm tellin my Mommy on you Jeff Gordon.



The article says Hamlin has tremendous respect for Jeff.........I don't buy that, I think he is jealous of Jeff and wishes he had the following and respect Jeff has earned in NASCAR.

Denny knows how things get changed. Who started with "Debris" on the track? For the Love of Racing, the officials picked up - a HOT DOG. I'm not kidding. :eek:

Lap 162 -- Jeff Gordon fights to stay on the lead lap and has picked his lap times up.

Lap 165 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 3: Jeff Gordon is reporting debris in Turn 1.

Lap 167 -- Jeff Burton gets the free pass. Crews are cleaning debris in Turn 1.

The ridiculous crap that went at Dega; slowing the cars, single file? You can't belief that happened . . .

[WhiteHatBobby]

With these helmets, face shields, and other things (and observers), we don't know if it's a hot dog or something legitimate from the tower, windows, or anywhere near the track. Furthermore, with today's carbon fibre splitters, we have the concerns (as we've seen in other series) where the sharp carbon fibre could cut tyres severely. With speeds over 300 km/h at many tracks, the big concern is running over minute debris could send a car into the wall.

[spinach]

Denny knows how things get changed. Who started with "Debris" on the track? For the Love of Racing, the officials picked up - a HOT DOG. I'm not kidding. :eek:

Lap 162 -- Jeff Gordon fights to stay on the lead lap and has picked his lap times up.

Lap 165 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 3: Jeff Gordon is reporting debris in Turn 1.

Lap 167 -- Jeff Burton gets the free pass. Crews are cleaning debris in Turn 1.

The ridiculous crap that went at Dega; slowing the cars, single file? You can't belief that happened . . .

someone else also reported debris in turn 1 before gordon did
I think it was Logano in the 20

[Xena]

Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/35/data/practice1_speeds.html/)
Practice 1 | Phoenix
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 15, 2009 | Race 35 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 133.884 26.889 Leader
2 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 133.675 26.931 -0.042
3 18 Kyle Busch Toyota Pedigree 133.645 26.937 -0.048
4 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 133.576 26.951 -0.062
5 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground 133.501 26.966 -0.077
6 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 133.467 26.973 -0.084
7 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 133.254 27.016 -0.127
8 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Kellogg's/Carquest 133.195 27.028 -0.139
9 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 133.023 27.063 -0.174
10 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 132.969 27.074 -0.185
11 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 132.949 27.078 -0.189
12 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 132.939 27.080 -0.191
13 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 132.934 27.081 -0.192
14 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy/National Guard 132.827 27.103 -0.214
15 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 132.807 27.107 -0.218
16 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades 132.734 27.122 -0.233
17 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 132.719 27.125 -0.236
18 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 132.685 27.132 -0.243
19 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar/Cat Financial 132.685 27.132 -0.243
20 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Rain-X 132.645 27.140 -0.251
21 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 132.636 27.142 -0.253
22 09 David Gilliland Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 132.523 27.165 -0.276
23 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 132.445 27.181 -0.292
24 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 132.421 27.186 -0.297
25 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 132.372 27.196 -0.307
26 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 132.367 27.197 -0.308
27 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 132.270 27.217 -0.328
28 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 132.256 27.220 -0.331
29 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 132.241 27.223 -0.334
30 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Insignia 132.042 27.264 -0.375
31 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 132.028 27.267 -0.378
32 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 131.994 27.274 -0.385
33 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 131.873 27.299 -0.410
34 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 131.868 27.300 -0.411
35 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Paralyzed Veterans of America 131.825 27.309 -0.420
36 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 131.772 27.320 -0.431
37 37 Tony Raines Chevrolet Long John Silver's 131.372 27.403 -0.514
38 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink 131.344 27.409 -0.520
39 17 Matt Kenseth Ford USG Sheetrock 131.277 27.423 -0.534
40 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 131.258 27.427 -0.538
41 96 Erik Darnell Ford Valvoline 131.181 27.443 -0.554
42 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 130.876 27.507 -0.618
43 98 Paul Menard Ford Johns Manville / Menards 130.790 27.525 -0.636

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/35/data/qual_order.html)
Qualifying Order | Phoenix
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 15, 2009 | Race 35 of 36

ORDER CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR
1 6 David Ragan Ford UPS
2 96 Erik Darnell Ford Valvoline
3 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil
4 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull
5 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's
6 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy/National Guard
7 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground
8 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser
9 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot
10 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Paralyzed Veterans of America
11 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M
12 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts
13 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army
14 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac
15 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's
16 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing
17 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Insignia
18 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine
19 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Taco Bell
20 18 Kyle Busch Toyota Pedigree
21 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one.
22 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot
23 17 Matt Kenseth Ford USG Sheetrock
24 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1
25 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target
26 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Rain-X
27 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Cat Financial
28 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox
29 98 Paul Menard Ford Johns Manville/Menards
30 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam
31 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper
32 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont
33 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite
34 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades
35 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Kellogg's/Carquest
36 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink
37 170 Kevin Conway Chevrolet Extenze
38 37 Tony Raines Chevrolet Long John Silver's
39 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports
40 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies
41 09 David Gilliland Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming
42 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports
43 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO

*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

With these helmets, face shields, and other things (and observers), we don't know if it's a hot dog or something legitimate from the tower, windows, or anywhere near the track. Furthermore, with today's carbon fibre splitters, we have the concerns (as we've seen in other series) where the sharp carbon fibre could cut tyres severely. With speeds over 300 km/h at many tracks, the big concern is running over minute debris could send a car into the wall.

Right... except for one thing... only the Toyotas are going 300 km/hr... the rest of the field is going 190 mph. :razz:

[Xena]

Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/35/data/lineup.html)
Lineup | Phoenix
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 15, 2009 | Race 35 of 36


POS CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR SPEED TIME BEHIND
1 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Rain-X 135.120 26.643 Leader
2 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 134.579 26.750 -0.107
3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 134.454 26.775 -0.132
4 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 134.293 26.807 -0.164
5 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground 134.228 26.820 -0.177
6 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 134.223 26.821 -0.178
7 18 Kyle Busch Toyota Pedigree 134.173 26.831 -0.188
8 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 134.078 26.850 -0.207
9 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 134.028 26.860 -0.217
10 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Kellogg's/Carquest 134.023 26.861 -0.218
11 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 133.949 26.876 -0.233
12 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 133.924 26.881 -0.238
13 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 133.879 26.890 -0.247
14 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 133.874 26.891 -0.248
15 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 133.864 26.893 -0.250
16 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 133.759 26.914 -0.271
17 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 133.720 26.922 -0.279
18 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy/National Guard 133.700 26.926 -0.283
19 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 133.680 26.930 -0.287
20 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 133.571 26.952 -0.309
21 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 133.551 26.956 -0.313
22 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 133.417 26.983 -0.340
23 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 133.402 26.986 -0.343
24 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 133.240 27.019 -0.376
25 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 133.215 27.024 -0.381
26 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 133.161 27.035 -0.392
27 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 133.151 27.037 -0.394
28 17 Matt Kenseth Ford USG Sheetrock 133.121 27.043 -0.400
29 09 David Gilliland Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 133.087 27.050 -0.407
30 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades 133.062 27.055 -0.412
31 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 132.930 27.082 -0.439
32 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 132.925 27.083 -0.440
33 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 132.812 27.106 -0.463
34 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 132.783 27.112 -0.469
35 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Insignia 132.763 27.116 -0.473
36 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Cat Financial 132.650 27.139 -0.496
37 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 132.333 27.204 -0.561
38 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink 132.275 27.216 -0.573
39 96 Erik Darnell Ford Valvoline 132.178 27.236 -0.593
40 43 Reed Sorenson+ Dodge Paralyzed Veterans of America 131.829 27.308 -0.665
41 98 Paul Menard+ Ford Johns Manville/Menards 131.377 27.402 -0.759
42 34 John Andretti+ Chevrolet Taco Bell 130.757 27.532 -0.889

+Set by Owner Points
*rookie

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

Right... except for one thing... only the Toyotas are going 300 km/hr... the rest of the field is going 190 mph. :razz:

We're talking about 3.6 MPH slower speeds. But from a science-insurance-NASCAR standpoint, 300 km/h (186.4 MPH) is the "limit" speed, not 190 MPH. And remember we're at Phoenix, where the Truck races used to be 300 kilometres and the Cup race is 500 kilometres. NASCAR should seriously when considering Talladega changes try a harder tire and different fuel systems (fuel injection?) to ensure cars don't go 300.

And speaking of kilometers, USAR is talking about running a ProCup race at one of racing's most famous kilometers, North Wilkesboro Speedway, which was the only kilometer track in NASCAR when it was on the schedule.

[WhiteHatBobby]

The VFW Wins . . . Ron Hornaday has won his fourth Camping World Truck Series Championship in Kevin Harvick's VFW Truck.

[WhiteHatBobby]

This clip will be on a few more days. NASCAR fans rejoice!

http://www.cbs.com/daytime/the_price_is_right/video/?pid=0dYIQ0WX1rRaXpI3LCXwjchu24qMprOc&nrd=1

[Xena]

Gordon was right in doing what he did.(If he felt that it was unsafe)

Hamlin has the right to "LOBBY" NASCAR if he wishes at any time.

He just comes off as a baby IMO.


The whole thing Hamlin said can be summed up in a few words.............



I'm tellin my Mommy on you Jeff Gordon.



The article says Hamlin has tremendous respect for Jeff.........I don't buy that, I think he is jealous of Jeff and wishes he had the following and respect Jeff has earned in NASCAR.

It's not just Denny, along with fans of racing.

Jimmy Spencer, Kyle Petty and Larry McReynolds:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=63551571&postcount=3564

[WhiteHatBobby]

The Automobile Racing Club of America (ARCA) announced effective with the February 26-28 round at Palm Beach International Raceway (2-mile road course) and for the rest of the 2010 ARCA Racing Series presented by Re/Max, except for the Food World 250 April 23 at Talladega, that 105" wheelbase (current NASCAR Nationwide Series) cars will be permitted. Currently 110" retired Sprint Cup cars (former chassis, not the COT) are permited. The Lucas Oil Slick Mist 200 at Daytona February 7 is the other race where 105" wheelbase cars will not be permitted.

As NASCAR moves to the COT platform in the Nationwide Series, it leaves ARCA, NASCAR regional, and USAR ProCup as platforms where retired NASCAR Sprint Cup and Nationwide cars can be used.

http://www.arcaracing.com/news.php?contentid=9036

Also in short-track racing, looks like we have an "Awesome" time in Gresham Motorsports Park in Jefferson County, GA. 13-year old William Clyde (Chase) Elliott II, who will turn 14 over the winter, dominated first practice for the major World Crown 300.

[Warrior4God]

It's not just Denny, along with fans of racing.

Jimmy Spencer, Kyle Petty and Larry McReynolds:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=63551571&postcount=3564

That article does not refer to what Hamlin was speaking of about bump drafting in the turns.

Unless I missed it.

At any rate I don't really care about what Spencer and Petty have to say and don't see how they ever got anyone to sponsor them at all.

[Xena]

That article does not refer to what Hamlin was speaking of about bump drafting in the turns.

Unless I missed it.

At any rate I don't really care about what Spencer and Petty have to say and don't see how they ever got anyone to sponsor them at all.

Hunh?

Never mind.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/Worth1000Words/HeadintheSand.gif

[Xena]

Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/35/data/practice2_speeds.html/)
Practice 2 | Phoenix
2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 15, 2009 | Race 35 of 36


Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 132.348 27.201 Leader
2 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Kellogg's/Carquest 132.275 27.216 -0.015
3 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy/National Guard 132.018 27.269 -0.068
4 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Rain-X 131.878 27.298 -0.097
5 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 131.868 27.300 -0.099
6 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Cat Financial 131.796 27.315 -0.114
7 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 131.772 27.320 -0.119
8 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades 131.752 27.324 -0.123
9 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 131.695 27.336 -0.135
10 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 131.646 27.346 -0.145
11 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 131.613 27.353 -0.152
12 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 131.507 27.375 -0.174
13 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 131.483 27.380 -0.179
14 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 131.473 27.382 -0.181
15 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 131.382 27.401 -0.200
16 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 131.353 27.407 -0.206
17 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 131.258 27.427 -0.226
18 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 131.066 27.467 -0.266
19 17 Matt Kenseth Ford USG Sheetrock 130.895 27.503 -0.302
20 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 130.747 27.534 -0.333
21 44 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Ford. Drive one. 130.728 27.538 -0.337
22 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 130.406 27.606 -0.405
23 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 130.369 27.614 -0.413
24 96 Erik Darnell Ford Valvoline 130.303 27.628 -0.427
25 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground 130.265 27.636 -0.435
26 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 130.199 27.650 -0.449
27 18 Kyle Busch Toyota Pedigree 130.095 27.672 -0.471
28 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 129.870 27.720 -0.519
29 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios/Hamburger Helper 129.833 27.728 -0.527
30 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 129.772 27.741 -0.540
31 36 Michael McDowell Toyota Wave Energy Drink 129.748 27.746 -0.545
32 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 129.669 27.763 -0.562
33 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Insignia 129.417 27.817 -0.616
34 12 Brad Keselowski Dodge Penske Racing 129.357 27.830 -0.629
35 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Paralyzed Veterans of America 129.296 27.843 -0.642
36 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 129.069 27.892 -0.691
37 09 David Gilliland Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 128.940 27.920 -0.719
38 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 128.769 27.957 -0.756
39 98 Paul Menard Ford Johns Manville / Menards 128.553 28.004 -0.803
40 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 128.219 28.077 -0.876

*rookie

<snip>

[WhiteHatBobby]

Bump drafting in the turns has become extreme in the time between the 72 restrictor-plate points races Mr. Gordon has driven from his first (1993 Daytona 500) to his 72nd (2009 AMP Energy 500). He probably remembers how it was driven when he drove his first 500 to the AMP Energy 500.

[Samm]

We're talking about 3.6 MPH slower speeds. But from a science-insurance-NASCAR standpoint, 300 km/h (186.4 MPH) is the "limit" speed, not 190 MPH. And remember we're at Phoenix, where the Truck races used to be 300 kilometres and the Cup race is 500 kilometres. NASCAR should seriously when considering Talladega changes try a harder tire and different fuel systems (fuel injection?) to ensure cars don't go 300.

And speaking of kilometers, USAR is talking about running a ProCup race at one of racing's most famous kilometers, North Wilkesboro Speedway, which was the only kilometer track in NASCAR when it was on the schedule.

I don't care what NASCAR speed limits are... American Stock Cars do not go km/hr they go MPH! :snooty:

[Xena]

Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (http://www.phoenixinternationalraceway.com/)
Phoenix | 2:30 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 15, 2009 | Race 35 of 36
Green at 3:31 p.m. ET

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR%20Tracks/Phoenix.jpg

[spinach]

do or die day for MM and Jeff G
and of course...any real chance requires some problems to happen to JJ

odds are not good for MM and JG

[Xena]

Gentlemen, start your engines!

[Xena]

That was cool - talking about Stewart and his other racing, tracks, etc.

[Xena]

Boogity, boogity, boogity!

Let's go racin boys!

[spinach]

I'm strapped in...

:)

[Xena]

Go Marky!

[Xena]

Spinach, are you worn out? I am!

[spinach]

I hope the first round of pit stops is under green...
I love green flag stops, because it puts the whole team on the line
and makes them work HARD to do it right.
under yellow, you can hose it up and be pretty much fine no matter what.

[Xena]

Jr down to 22nd

[spinach]

Spinach, are you worn out? I am!

nah
I am a racing nut.
I watch indy cars, formula one sometimes, and even the weird stuff like 'swamp racing'.

every time the racing season is over I get kinda bummed.

[Xena]

14 to tight

[spinach]

Kurt's about to lap a whole slew of cars

if he can do it safely that means there is gonna be a lot of green flag racing today
because all the slowpokes will be at the rear on restarts.

look for only a few cautions today
maybe three or four

[Xena]

JJ moving fast

[spinach]

14 to tight

yeah, he hates tight..
he can drive 'loose'...
and slide baby slide!!

Smoke needs a good finish today
a win would be great

[Xena]

Kasey very loose

[spinach]

Kasey very loose

"very loose" is way bad....that's just asking to hit the wall..

[Xena]

Smoke likes a little tight. At least with NASCAR. Not with dirt racing.

[Xena]

Kurt lapping slower cars

[Xena]

JJ getting up with Kurt. This is going to be :eek:

[Xena]

JJ passed Kurt.

[Xena]

Marky is fastest at this time

[spinach]

the traffic is murder....

they were saying that 'track history' usually means a caution right in the middle of green flag stops...

:shhh:

[Xena]

31 to 43 are at least a lap down

13 cars are laps down

[spinach]

crap

commercials on mrn and on tv at the same time

that's just wrong
:evil:


:))

[spinach]

pit window is about lap 70...

4 more laps to fun time

[Xena]

Nascar had a "talk" with both Denny and Brad before this race :lol:

[Xena]

Nascar had a "talk" with both Denny and Brad before this race :lol:

track is getting slippery by the minute

[Xena]

Marky is fastest

[Xena]

Hornish almost missed his pit stall

[Xena]

Denny had a loose lug nut

[Xena]

Harvick is ****ed.

He told his crew "I thought the car in the spring was the biggest piece of junk I've drove here but this one takes the cake."

"I don't think i've ever been lapped at this track before." "Thanks guys"

:eek:

[Xena]

Lap 99 -- Joey Logano goes a lap down, makes it difficult for Jimmie Johnson to pass.

*cough, cough*

[Xena]

Caution 1 - debris between of 1 and 2 turn

Tony Stewart spotter says caution is out for debris in 1 or 2 but, he sure doesn't see it.

[Xena]

Caution 2 - 7, 55, 19 and 12 wrecked/damage

Michael Waltrip sustains major damage on the restart. Brad Keselowski is hit from behind. David Ragan is spun around. Robby Gordon heads to pit road for repairs.

[spinach]

idiocy on the restart....
back of the field decided to not use brains

[spinach]

dale jr. spun the tires...dived out of the way
but the accordion affect down the line pretty much helped them wreck

that and they weren't paying attention

[Xena]

Kyle Busch says his throttle cable is giving him trouble

[Xena]

Caution 3 - debris in Turn 1

[Xena]

Lots of changes for the 14

[spinach]

Jeff G was horrible on the last restart....they better fix that or he's gonna end up in the wall later on

double file restarts here so far have been interesting, to say the least.

[spinach]

Lots of changes for the 14

yeah...the track is changing

track temp 100 degrees

Jeff G got a wedge change he was way way too tight

[Xena]

Caution 4 - Lap 169 -- YELLOW FLAG NO. 4: Eight cars are stacked up on the back straightaway. Tony Stewart has damage, Bobby Labonte with heavy damage. Wreck appears to have been caused by Dale Earnhardt Jr. with a loose car on the restart.

These are damaged: Brad Keselowski, Bobby Labonte, Stewart, Vickers, Hornish, Dale, Newman, Kenseth and Logano.

[spinach]

sorry Xena

tony got collected

88 and 17 blocked him in

he may not be hurt that bad....

[spinach]

bobby labonte is done in the 71

kezlowski has damage

12 damaged
83 damaged


looks like Dale Jr caused the wreck
he needs to take a break from racing or something.
He has been on a steady slide since Sr. died.