NASCAR 2009 est. 2005

[Xena]

Competition caution scheduled at Lap 50 of the Tums Fast Relief 500 if not, a caution happens beforehand

[Xena]

Gentlemen, start your engines!

[spinach]

Gentlemen, start your engines!


Xena's! open your cans!

:))

Coming to the green!!

[Xena]

Boogity, boogity, boogity!

Let's go racin' boys!

[spinach]

Newman leads lap one

but he's looking slow and loose
mellow start, in any case...

[Xena]

Truex is fastest for now

[Xena]

Caution 1 - Marcose, Kenseth, Robby spun

[spinach]

7, 17, 47, 64 bump and bang


low speed wreck..

[spinach]

55 and 2 may have dents or damage

64 did not get hit, just got blocked in for a bit...

[spinach]

potential mess later on: tire beads melting
the brakes are better than ever, but get hotter....
look for a few melt-wrecks

the hint: use only as much brake as is necessary-- and don't over do it

[spinach]

Jeff G to the lead...

:whistle::clap:

[spinach]

Tony and JPM battling for 11th

[spinach]

Jimmie up to 5th

MM is 3rd

Junior is 10th

[spinach]

55 had a tire down, spun

caution out, counts as the competition yellow

should be a mix of pit strategies...

2 tires, 4 tires....

[spinach]

11 Hamlin has damage on RF fender....

not good...
gotta hammer it down and put tape over it, or he will be SLOW

[Xena]

Thanks Spinach, got some food :)

[spinach]

88- Dale Jr has damage on the left rear fender--
gotta be hammered out or its gonna cause problems..

[spinach]

Thanks Spinach, got some food :)
i wondered where you vanished to...

so what's for lunch?

I had Fish and fries
YUM!

[Xena]

(Caution 2 - Michael Waltrip has a tire go down and he spins bringing out the caution. Sterling Marlin gets the lucky dawg.)

[spinach]

man, a lot of cars have 'door doughnuts'

:))

that's martinsville!

[Xena]

i wondered where you vanished to...

so what's for lunch?

I had Fish and fries
YUM!

Pad Thai - Yummy!

[spinach]

Jimmie to the lead......


lots of bumping and banging in the field...way too much this early

[spinach]

Jeff G is losing spots

looks like they adjusted the wrong way....he's slow...

MM to 2nd
JJ in 1st

Jeff G to 3rd, and gonna lose more

[spinach]

Juan Pablo is my 'dark horse for the day'.

He might win

[WhiteHatBobby]

Shannon Spake has a special Impact! firesuit because of her pregnancy with twins.

[spinach]

confirmed.....24 says he is 'really really loose'

they adjusted wrong on the pit stop

[spinach]

Shannon Spake has a special Impact! firesuit because of her pregnancy with twins.


hmmm....three peas in a pod?
:))

[spinach]

the 24 was loose in and off before the pit stop
they took two tires, and now are even more loose

really really bungled pit stop and strategy...
should have taken 4

[spinach]

88- dale Jr blows RF tire .....may have been a bead failure....

damage, has to pit

Jeff G better come in and get 4, and fix the dang car

[Xena]

Caution 3 - Jr had a tire going flat

[spinach]

Caution 3 - Jr had a tire going flat


confirmed : bead failure.....

look for more of that to happen

[Xena]

Harvick on his radio says engine temp up to 250. He wants them to pull more tape off

Tony said he is still tight in the center and loose off

Thinks the exit is going to be more important

[Xena]

Gordon on radio - loose, loose, loose, real loose

[Xena]

Smoke up to 9th

[spinach]

09 flat tire, stays green

probably another bead failure...

[Xena]

Jeff is ****ed . . . Montoya rubbing the 24

[spinach]

I think JPM is overdriving the car

look for a bead failure.....he's way way too agressive
and he may burn up his brakes...

[spinach]

Jeff is ****ed . . . Montoya rubbing the 24


yeah JPM hit him about 8 times
way too aggessive

but, JPM is over driving the car-- his tires are gonna be eaten up fairly soon
watch in about 15 laps....betcha JG goes right back past him

[spinach]

1- truex pitting-- loose RR tire

he's gonna go at least 2 laps down maybe 3

[Xena]

Truex - vibration, a tire problem

[spinach]

caution 4

88- Junior in the wall, rf tire-- bead failure again

low speed impact, might not be hurt too bad

[Xena]

Caution 4 - Jr. into the wall. Right front tire.

[Xena]

I hope Jr. goes to a Dr. I'm afraid he is in a bad way.

[spinach]

here we go...

JPM and JJ on the front row....

will JPM get AGRESSIVE??
will he wreck JJ?

we shall see

[spinach]

I hope Jr. goes to a Dr. I'm afraid he is in a bad way.

what do you mean?

[Xena]

Newman on radio "Got a little piece of the wall there off Turn 4 a couple laps ago. Everything's fine."

Kasey too fast exiting pit road - tail end of the field penalty

Spotter to Joey "Every time you hit that curb you slow down a tenth. You need to focus on your line . . .

[Xena]

what do you mean?

He's depressed . . .

[Xena]

Montoya takes the lead

[spinach]

He's depressed . . .

well.....he needs to adapt his driving....that's what his dad was really good at.
Dale senior would totally change his driving style when he had a bad or mediocre car, and still would finish about 10th

junior has kept trying to race along the wall, and not adapt to what the COT will do.
the best thing he could do is take a break for a bit.

He's got the talent, but his thinking isn't right....he's got to adapt to the car, and has to stop trying to force the car to do what it can't do

[spinach]

Montoya takes the lead


yep....wonder how long it will last.
Betcha Jimmie makes him burn his tires and brakes up, by faking a lot of passes.

:))

[Xena]

Ryan is fastest for now

[Xena]

Caution 5 - debris, looks like of a tire

[spinach]

caution debris---

lap 158

[spinach]

Ryan is fastest for now

???

Jeff G just passed him for 3rd....

speaking of which, the 24 team apparently has "fixed" the 24....he can race now

[spinach]

the top 11 cars did not pit...

if we have a long run of green flag, the current leaders are gonna be hurting...

[Xena]

Robby has retired from the race and gone to the garage

[Xena]

Caution 6 - Stremme got into Hornish

[spinach]

caution 12 and 77 collide.. damage

will the leaders pit?

[spinach]

leaders pitting...they are gonna be way back in the pack
and right in the middle of where wrecks often happen

now it gets interesting....:whistle::whistle:

[spinach]

time to make some popcorn....

I usually add garlic powder and this seasoning called "everglades seasoning-spicy hot"

delicious! and nuclear!

:twisted:

[Xena]

Kevin is the fastest as now

[Xena]

Zippy just told 20 pit crew - "Damn it boys! Come back here and have a come to Jesus meeting. That ain't gonna work today"

[Xena]

Kyle takes the lead

[Xena]

JPM on radio after passed by Jimmie on pit road: "He was speeding. There's no way the 48 was not speeding."

[Xena]

Caution 8 - Kahne has his left-rear tire go down and he spins, hitting the wall. Dale Earnahrdt Jr. gets the free pass and will now be one lap down.

[spinach]

caution kasey khane into the wall

left rear flat...

[Xena]

Damn! Kasey was in my fantasy team. :evil:

[spinach]

Damn! Kasey was in my fantasy team. :evil:

"I am super sorry about your car" ---the 3 girls in commercial...


:))

[Xena]

Spotter Dickerson tells Kyle: "We’d have a Chase if everybody would stop pulling over for the 48, like it’s the cops behind them."

[Xena]

Montoya fastest again

[spinach]

Spotter Dickerson tells Kyle: "We’d have a Chase if everybody would stop pulling over for the 48, like it’s the cops behind them."

it is odd how fast he came back up...

[Xena]

Caution 9 - The Dinger got into the wall

[spinach]

caution 44 in the wall

should see everyone pit....

dale jr back on lead lap-- lucky dog

[spinach]

jimmie in the lead

denny in 2nd.......will denny nudge him? payback from last year?
:think:

edit-- biffle in the lead. apparently he did not pit.

[Xena]

Caution 10 - Kahne and John Andretti get together sending Andretti around collecting Sterling Marlin.

Caution 11 - Kahne slams the wall after losing a tire bringing out the caution. Sterling Marlin gets the free pass and is now one lap down.

[spinach]

caution


09 and 34 spin, contact

no lucky dog-- the 9 , khane caused the caution, and was next up.

[RedStatePaPa]

Zippy just told 20 pit crew - "Damn it boys! Come back here and have a come to Jesus meeting. That ain't gonna work today"

:razz:

[RedStatePaPa]

Go Monty!

Little nudge here, little nudge there...

[spinach]

the 42 stays on brakes way too long....

he's not gonna have brakes at the end...the announcers were just talking about it
you have to be off the brake by the middle of the corner....

montoya is handing JJ the race by abusing the brakes

[spinach]

Dale jr up to 16th....nice recovery since the wreck....

[spinach]

00 19 17 and 14 did not pit....

they will be in front of faster cars......tricky situation

[spinach]

1- truex spins- stays green

says he got dumped by someone on purpose

confirmed--- dumped by the 12

nascar might give a penalty...that was pretty obvious...

[spinach]

the 12 team has been informed if they touch another car with the bumper they WILL get a penalty

[spinach]

Denny to the lead.....

jimmie a little crummy off the corners now...

dale jr blew another RF tire.....
pitted, no problem...probably lost 2 laps

[spinach]

99 and 18 taking cheap shots at each other....

both need a penalty, I think

I think nascar ought to at least warn both to quit using the bumpers

[spinach]

00 and 14 are gonna have to pit soon for fuel...

the rest of the field will have to pit about 15 laps or so later

[spinach]

14 and 00 in the pit....

look for the leaders to pit in about 15

[Xena]

Way to go Denny!

[spinach]

Way to go Denny!

yeah
the 11 team had a great stop
and the 48, and 24 had crummy pit stops

[spinach]

caution

John Andretti in the 34 wrecks......dumped by the 19
tightens up the field....and now we are gonna see fireworks

totally nullifies the bad stop by the 48

[Xena]

Caution 12 - Sadler bumped Andretti sending the No. 34 spinning. Jeff Burton gets the free pass.

[spinach]

jimmie had a chance to dump the 11, but backed off....that's cool.

:)

last lap, smoke was 3rd fastest.....will he pull off a surprise today??
:think:

all we need are some cautions...

[Xena]

Caution 13 - debris?

[spinach]

caution with 17 to go

debris from the 44

and now the REAL fireworks begin...

[spinach]

there aren't many cars on the lead lap-- 19
some are taking tires....

interesting....
that may work for a great finish
however, I think there will be more cautions and it will be counterproductive

[Xena]

Caution 14 - Scott Speed hard into the wall in Turn 1 bringing out the caution. Elliott Sadler gets the free pass.

6 to go

[spinach]

caution 82 in the wall

[Xena]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR/CheckeredFlag2.gif

Congrats to Denny!

[Xena]

It is amazing that NASCAR let them DRIVE! Chad looks like he is going to cry.

[spinach]

It is amazing that NASCAR let them DRIVE! Chad looks like he is going to cry.

well he was right....
the caution should have come out the moment there was a guy on the straight not moving

NASCAR put the guy in danger....bigtime
safety is supposed to come first.

[Xena]

Tums Fast Relief 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/32/data/results_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Race Results | Martinsville
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
October 25, 2009 | Race 32 of 36

FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 17 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 195/10 501 Running
2 15 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 175/5 501 Running
3 21 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 170/5 501 Running
4 41 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's Halloween 165/5 501 Running
5 2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet NationalGuard.com/DuPont 160/5 501 Running
6 23 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 150/0 501 Running
7 1 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 151/5 501 Running
8 4 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Kellogg's/Carquest 147/5 501 Running
9 10 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 138/0 501 Running
10 13 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Old Spice/Office Depot 134/0 501 Running
11 24 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 130/0 501 Running
12 7 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Farm Bureau Insurance 127/0 501 Running
13 8 96 Bobby Labonte Ford DLP 124/0 501 Running
14 32 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 121/0 501 Running
15 22 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 123/5 501 Running
16 37 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 115/0 501 Running
17 5 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 117/5 501 Running
18 6 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 109/0 501 Running
19 19 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet BB&T 106/0 501 Running
20 29 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac 103/0 501 Running
21 40 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy 100/0 501 Running
22 14 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 97/0 501 Running
23 30 98 Paul Menard Ford Schrock Cabinetry/Menards 94/0 501 Running
24 9 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge McDonald's Monopoly 91/0 501 Running
25 20 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Filtrete 93/5 501 Running
26 27 34 John Andretti Chevrolet A&W All American Food 90/5 499 Running
27 34 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Little Debbie/Kingsford/Clorox 82/0 499 Running
28 3 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Vaseline Men Body Lotion 79/0 499 Running
29 12 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy/National Guard 76/0 499 Running
30 36 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Adaptive One 73/0 497 Running
31 18 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 70/0 495 In Pit
32 26 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 67/0 494 Running
33 11 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 64/0 439 Running
34 16 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Coleman Natural Foods 61/0 414 Running
35 38 09 Sterling Marlin Dodge Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 58/0 355 In Pit
36 31 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 55/0 248 Running
37 33 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Schrock Cabinetry/Menards 52/0 130 In Pit
38 28 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 49/0 52 Running
39 35 171 David Gilliland Chevrolet TRG Motorsports 51/5 48 Running
40 39 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 43/0 38 Running

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

This is an absurd call. Chad was right and unfortunately, this is that "GWC rule" where officials try to finish this race without the race-ending yellow. If the pre-2004 CWTS rule of "caution during GWC or white flag results in another GWC" was in play, that would have meant another.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Please Stand for the National Anthem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c0iqrD8gls

Did you forget that you would do that in here?

[Xena]

Tums Fast Relief 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)
Unofficial Driver Standings | Martinsville
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
October 25, 2009 | Race 32 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Jimmie Johnson 6098 Leader 32 3 6 14 21
2 -- Mark Martin 5980 -118 32 7 5 12 19
3 -- Jeff Gordon 5948 -150 32 0 1 16 23
4 -- Tony Stewart 5902 -196 32 0 4 15 22
5 +1 Juan Montoya 5898 -200 32 2 0 7 17
6 -1 Kurt Busch 5861 -237 32 0 1 8 18
7 +1 Ryan Newman 5786 -312 32 2 0 5 15
8 -1 Greg Biffle 5748 -350 32 0 0 9 14
9 +2 Denny Hamlin 5746 -352 32 1 3 12 17
10 -- Carl Edwards 5685 -413 32 0 0 7 13
11 -2 Kasey Kahne 5659 -439 32 0 2 6 13
12 -- Brian Vickers 5568 -530 32 6 1 4 13
CHASE FOR THE Sprint CUP - CURRENT CONTENDERS
13 +1 Kyle Busch 3920 -2178 32 1 4 9 12
14 -1 Matt Kenseth 3895 -2203 32 1 2 6 11
15 -- Clint Bowyer 3805 -2293 32 0 0 4 14
16 -- David Reutimann 3761 -2337 32 2 1 5 9
17 -- Marcos Ambrose 3453 -2645 32 0 0 4 7
18 +1 Jeff Burton 3379 -2719 32 0 0 2 6
19 -1 Casey Mears 3378 -2720 32 0 0 0 4
20 -- Joey Logano * 3324 -2774 32 0 1 2 6
21 -- Kevin Harvick 3279 -2819 32 0 0 3 7
22 +3 Jamie McMurray 3091 -3007 32 0 0 0 4
23 -- Martin Truex Jr. 3064 -3034 32 2 0 0 4
24 -2 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 3062 -3036 32 0 0 2 5
25 -1 A.J. Allmendinger 3020 -3078 32 0 0 1 4
26 -- Elliott Sadler 2991 -3107 32 0 0 1 4
27 -- Sam Hornish Jr. 2905 -3193 32 0 0 2 7
28 -- David Ragan 2873 -3225 32 0 0 0 2
29 -- Reed Sorenson 2849 -3249 32 0 0 0 1
30 -- David Stremme 2817 -3281 32 0 0 0 0
31 -- Bobby Labonte 2808 -3290 32 0 0 1 1
32 -- Paul Menard 2705 -3393 32 0 0 0 0
33 -- Michael Waltrip 2461 -3637 30 0 0 0 1
34 -- Robby Gordon 2402 -3696 31 0 0 1 1
35 -- Scott Speed * 2353 -3745 31 0 0 1 1
36 -- John Andretti 2282 -3816 30 0 0 0 0
37 -- David Gilliland 1700 -4398 28 0 0 0 0
38 -- Regan Smith 1260 -4838 15 0 0 0 0
39 +1 Joe Nemechek 1228 -4870 27 0 0 0 0
40 -1 Brad Keselowski 1183 -4915 11 0 1 1 3
41 -- Dave Blaney 1127 -4971 28 0 0 0 0
42 -- Bill Elliott 919 -5179 10 0 0 0 0
43 -- Max Papis * 904 -5194 13 0 0 0 1

*rookie

<snip>



Tums Fast Relief 500 (http://jayski.com/next/2009/32mar2009.htm)
Unofficial Classic Driver Standings | Martinsville
1:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
October 25, 2009 | Race 32 of 36

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10 WINNINGS
1). #14-Tony Stewart, 4682
2). #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4602, -80
3). #24-Jeff Gordon 4565, -117
4). #5-Mark Martin, 4231, -451
5). #11-Denny Hamlin, 4217, -465
6). #2-Kurt Busch, 4170, -512
7). #42-Juan Montoya, 4149, -533
8) #39-Ryan Newman, 4058, -624
9). #16-Greg Biffle, 3997, -685
10). #99-Carl Edwards, 3965, -717
11). #18-Kyle Busch, 3920, -762
12). #9-Kasey Kahne, 3919, -763
13). #17-Matt Kenseth, 3895, -787
14). #33-Clint Bowyer, 3805, -877
15). #00-David Reutimann, 3764, -918
16). #83-Brian Vickers, 3761, -921

*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

well he was right....
the caution should have come out the moment there was a guy on the straight not moving

NASCAR put the guy in danger....bigtime
safety is supposed to come first.

I am biting my tongue . . .

[Xena]

NASCAR is taking the 14 as the random car taken to R&D.

[Xena]

Denny on radio: 11 on radio: "Find me a port-a-john, I've got to pee like you won't believe"

:))

[Samm]

well he was right....
the caution should have come out the moment there was a guy on the straight not moving

NASCAR put the guy in danger....bigtime
safety is supposed to come first.

Yep... at very least it prevented anyone from spreading out to make a dash for the line. The fact that nobody did tells us that the spotters did their jobs and told their drivers to stay high.

[Samm]

Martinsville is always paint-trading entertaining, but I hope somebody puts both Montoya and cousin Carl into the wall at Talladega next week. Carl in particular should "get his" for what he did to Kyle; I am quite surprised that Kyle kept his cool and did not reciprocate for what was an overt and completely out of line action by Carl. Montoya was merely driving aggressively and was impatient with Gordon, but the gall of him to accuse Jeff of being the aggressor. For that he should get nailed next week too.

Notice Montoya was also crying about JJ "speeding" on pit road. Well Juan... if Jimmie was not within the rules NASCAR would have penalized him... so shut the **** up!

[WhiteHatBobby]

Martinsville is breaking its nearly 47-year association with Ridgeway, and later, Howard Miller. Howard Miller shutting down the Martinsville clock plant means a new manufacturer will be called to produce the signature trophies at the circuit.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=21072

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/33/data/entry_list.html)
Entry List | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36

CAR DRIVER HOMETOWN MAKE SPONSOR OWNER
00 David Reutimann Zephyrhills, FL Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine Michael Waltrip
1 Martin Truex Jr. Mayetta, NJ Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker Teresa Earnhardt
2 Kurt Busch Las Vegas, NV Dodge Miller Lite Walter Czarnecki
5 Mark Martin Batesville, AR Chevrolet Pop-Tarts/Carquest Mary Hendrick
6 David Ragan Unadilla, GA Ford UPS John Henry
7 Robby Gordon Orange, CA Toyota Jim Beam Robby Gordon
07 Casey Mears Bakersfield, CA Chevrolet Jack Daniel's Richard Childress
9 Kasey Kahne Enumclaw, WA Dodge Budweiser George Gillett, Jr
09 Brad Keselowski Rochester Hills, MI Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming James Finch
11 Denny Hamlin Chesterfield, VA Toyota FedEx Express J D Gibbs
12 David Stremme South Bend, IN Dodge Penske Racing Roger Penske
14 Tony Stewart Rushville, IN Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice Margaret Haas
16 Greg Biffle Vancouver, WA Ford 3M Filtrete Jack Roush
17 Matt Kenseth Cambridge, WI Ford Dewalt John Henry
18 Kyle Busch Las Vegas, NV Toyota M&M's Joe Gibbs
19 Elliott Sadler Emporia, VA Ford Stanley George Gillett, Jr
20 Joey Logano * Middletown, CT Toyota Home Depot Joe Gibbs
24 Jeff Gordon Pittsboro, IN Chevrolet DuPont Rick Hendrick
26 Jamie McMurray Joplin, MO Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades Geoff Smith
29 Kevin Harvick Bakersfield, CA Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil Richard Childress
31 Jeff Burton South Boston, VA Chevrolet Caterpillar Richard Childress
33 Clint Bowyer Emporia, KS Chevrolet BB&T Bobby Ginn III
34 John Andretti Indianapolis, IN Chevrolet Long John Silver's Teresa Earnhardt
36 Michael McDowell Phoenix, AZ Toyota Wave Energy Drink Tommy Baldwin
37 Tony Raines La Porte, IN Dodge Long John Silver's Brad Jenkins
39 Ryan Newman South Bend, IN Chevrolet U.S. Army Tony Stewart
42 Juan Montoya Bogota, Colombia Chevrolet Target Teresa Earnhardt
43 Reed Sorenson Peachtree City, GA Dodge Liberty Medical Richard Petty
44 A.J. Allmendinger Los Gatos, CA Dodge Best Buy George Gillett, Jr
47 Marcos Ambrose Launceston, Tasmania Toyota Clorox/Kingsford/Little Debbie Rob Kauffman
48 Jimmie Johnson El Cajon, CA Chevrolet Lowe's Jeff Gordon
55 Michael Waltrip Owensboro, KY Toyota NAPA Auto Parts Michael Waltrip
66 Dave Blaney Hartford, OH Toyota The Denny Hamlin Foundation Phil Parsons
77 Sam Hornish Jr. Bryan, OH Dodge Mobil 1 Bill Davis
78 Regan Smith Cato, NY Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies Barney Visser
82 Scott Speed * Manteca, CA Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
83 Brian Vickers Thomasville, NC Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Kannapolis, NC Chevrolet Amp Energy "Get on the 88"/National Guard Rick Hendrick
96 Erik Darnell Beach Park, IL Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors Jeffrey Moorad
98 Paul Menard Eau Claire, WI Ford Zecol / Menards Max Jones
99 Carl Edwards Columbia, MO Ford Subway Jack Roush
113 Max Papis * Como, Italy Toyota GEICO Bob Germain
171 Bobby Labonte Corpus Christi, TX Chevrolet TRG Motorsports Kevin Buckler


*rookie

<snip>

[spinach]

Xena, I think Talladega determines Jimmie's fate

if he doesn't wreck here, he's gonna be champion
if he does wreck then that opens the door for the top 5 in points

[Samm]

Xena, I think Talladega determines Jimmie's fate

if he doesn't wreck here, he's gonna be champion
if he does wreck then that opens the door for the top 5 in points

I would agree his chances are greatly increased if he does not wreck at Talladega, but don't think he cannot be wrecked at Texas, Phoenix and Homestead. Unless Mark, Jeff, Tony and Juan all wreck (or have a serious problem) in one of the next three races, the determination of the champion will go down to the last race.

[Xena]

I like Jimmie and he is a great driver, but the cloud of penalties over years, still make me cringe. Chad is brilliant, but very sneaky. You have to wonder if Chad cheated without getting caught. Why I would say this? Because, a four in a row is tough and it should be "clean".

So now, beat me up over it. :razz:

[JimGP20]

So now, beat me up over it. :razz:

No.... I agree with you. :mrgreen:

[Xena]

No.... I agree with you. :mrgreen:

Thank you :cool:

[Xena]

Broadcast Schedule
Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/tune_in/)

10|30|09 2:00 p.m. ET Friday Practice 1 (SPD)
10|30|09 4:00 p.m. ET Friday Practice 2 (SPD)
10|31|09 12:00 p.m. ET Saturday Qualifying (SPD)
11|01|09 12:00 p.m. ET Sunday Amp Energy 500 (ABC)

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/33/data/practice1_speeds.html/)
Practice 1 | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Express 195.944 48.871 Leader
2 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 195.944 48.871 Leader
3 98 Paul Menard Ford Zecol/Menards 194.701 49.183 -0.312
4 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 194.595 49.210 -0.339
5 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot 194.149 49.323 -0.452
6 99 Carl Edwards Ford Subway 193.999 49.361 -0.490
7 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 193.831 49.404 -0.533
8 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 193.827 49.405 -0.534
9 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 193.587 49.466 -0.595
10 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 193.248 49.553 -0.682
11 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Clorox/Kingsford/Little Debbie 193.201 49.565 -0.694
12 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Liberty Medical 193.135 49.582 -0.711
13 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 193.061 49.601 -0.730
14 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 192.641 49.709 -0.838
15 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet BB&T 192.177 49.829 -0.958
16 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 191.865 49.910 -1.039
17 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Filtrete 191.463 50.015 -1.144
18 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Hunt Brothers Pizza 191.405 50.030 -1.159
19 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 191.386 50.035 -1.164
20 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 191.206 50.082 -1.211
21 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Window World 191.149 50.097 -1.226
22 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades 191.134 50.101 -1.230
23 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 191.126 50.103 -1.232
24 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 191.069 50.118 -1.247
25 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 191.008 50.134 -1.263
26 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Pop-Tarts/Carquest 190.685 50.219 -1.348
27 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 190.416 50.290 -1.419
28 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 190.310 50.318 -1.447
29 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 190.204 50.346 -1.475
30 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 190.094 50.375 -1.504
31 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy "Get on the 88"/National Guard 189.895 50.428 -1.557
32 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 189.891 50.429 -1.558
33 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 189.861 50.437 -1.566
34 19 Elliott Sadler Ford Stanley 189.831 50.445 -1.574
35 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 188.805 50.719 -1.848
36 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 188.690 50.750 -1.879
37 09 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming 187.849 50.977 -2.106
38 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TaxSlayer.com 187.434 51.090 -2.219
39 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 184.769 51.827 -2.956
40 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 183.910 52.069 -3.198


*rookie

<snip>

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/33/data/practice2_speeds.html/)
Practice 2 | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet BB&T 193.154 49.577 Leader
2 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 192.116 49.845 -0.268
3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 191.214 50.080 -0.503
4 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Liberty Medical 191.016 50.132 -0.555
5 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 190.863 50.172 -0.595
6 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 190.780 50.194 -0.617
7 6 David Ragan Ford UPS 190.761 50.199 -0.622
8 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt 190.582 50.246 -0.669
9 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Hunt Brothers Pizza 190.325 50.314 -0.737
10 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Filtrete 190.162 50.357 -0.780
11 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Clorox/Kingsford/Little Debbie 190.136 50.364 -0.787
12 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice 190.128 50.366 -0.789
13 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser 190.011 50.397 -0.820
14 99 Carl Edwards Ford Subway 189.989 50.403 -0.826
15 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 189.962 50.410 -0.833
16 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Pop-Tarts/Carquest 189.921 50.421 -0.844
17 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy "Get on the 88"/National Guard 189.906 50.425 -0.848
18 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army 189.477 50.539 -0.962
19 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing 189.447 50.547 -0.970
20 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam 187.960 50.947 -1.370
21 36 Robert Richardson Jr. Toyota Mahindra Tractors 186.598 51.319 -1.742
22 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull 184.509 51.900 -2.323
23 187 Joe Nemechek Toyota NEMCO Motorsports 184.168 51.996 -2.419
24 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors 184.133 52.006 -2.429
25 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil 184.065 52.025 -2.448
26 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 183.910 52.069 -2.492
27 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades 183.814 52.096 -2.519
28 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 183.543 52.173 -2.596
29 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Express 183.280 52.248 -2.671
30 113 Max Papis * Toyota GEICO 183.139 52.288 -2.711
31 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 183.115 52.295 -2.718
32 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 182.992 52.330 -2.753
33 98 Paul Menard Ford Zecol / Menards 182.877 52.363 -2.786
34 19 Elliott Sadler Ford Stanley 182.025 52.608 -3.031
35 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 182.019 52.610 -3.033
36 37 Tony Raines Dodge Long John Silver's 181.570 52.740 -3.163
37 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 180.041 53.188 -3.611
38 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 178.490 53.650 -4.073

*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

I like Jimmie and he is a great driver, but the cloud of penalties over years, still make me cringe. Chad is brilliant, but very sneaky. You have to wonder if Chad cheated without getting caught. Why I would say this? Because, a four in a row is tough and it should be "clean".

So now, beat me up over it. :razz:

In NASCAR "cheating without getting caught" is part of the game. Case in point is that Jimmy (and I'm sure, Chad) has figured out he can accelerate from a stop to beyond pit road speed then tromp on the breaks before he gets to the timing line and average pit road speed from a standing start. That is what Juan was complaining about last week... but it is perfectly legal as the rules are set up. Taking the rules to the absolute limit is not cheating; it is smart.

[Xena]

In NASCAR "cheating without getting caught" is part of the game. Case in point is that Jimmy (and I'm sure, Chad) has figured out he can accelerate from a stop to beyond pit road speed then tromp on the breaks before he gets to the timing line and average pit road speed from a standing start. That is what Juan was complaining about last week... but it is perfectly legal as the rules are set up. Taking the rules to the absolute limit is not cheating; it is smart.

Not about speeding on pit lane. If you look at the penalties on Jayski, it goes on . . . and on. And if you push, you will be caught, sometime. Some get through. My point is, if a team get a championship it should be without being tainted. More so when it could be four championships back to back.

We will not agree, but I love ya anyway Samm.

[Xena]

Qualifying cancelled

Bad weather and a lead in owners' points allows Jimmie Johnson to get the pole in Sunday's Amp Energy 500 at Talladega Superspeedway.

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/33/data/lineup.html)
Lineup | Talladega
12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36
RAIN OUT Position Based on Owner Points

Pos Car Driver Laps Best Speed Last Speed Avg. Speed Best Time Last Time Avg. Time
1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's N/A N/A N/A
2 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Pop-Tarts/Carquest N/A N/A N/A
3 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont N/A N/A N/A
4 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot/Old Spice N/A N/A N/A
5 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target N/A N/A N/A
6 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite N/A N/A N/A
7 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet U.S. Army N/A N/A N/A
8 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Filtrete N/A N/A N/A
9 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Express N/A N/A N/A
10 99 Carl Edwards Ford Subway N/A N/A N/A
11 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser N/A N/A N/A
12 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull N/A N/A N/A
13 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's N/A N/A N/A
14 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt N/A N/A N/A
15 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet BB&T N/A N/A N/A
16 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine N/A N/A N/A
17 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Clorox/Kingsford/Little Debbie N/A N/A N/A
18 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar N/A N/A N/A
19 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet Jack Daniel's N/A N/A N/A
20 20 Joey Logano * Toyota Home Depot N/A N/A N/A
21 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Shell/Pennzoil N/A N/A N/A
22 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Marathon Saw Blades N/A N/A N/A
23 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker N/A N/A N/A
24 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy "Get on the 88"/National Guard N/A N/A N/A
25 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Best Buy N/A N/A N/A
26 19 Elliott Sadler Ford Stanley N/A N/A N/A
27 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1 N/A N/A N/A
28 6 David Ragan Ford UPS N/A N/A N/A
29 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Liberty Medical N/A N/A N/A
30 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing N/A N/A N/A
31 96 Erik Darnell Ford Academy Sports + Outdoors N/A N/A N/A
32 98 Paul Menard Ford Zecol/Menards N/A N/A N/A
33 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA Auto Parts N/A N/A N/A
34 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam N/A N/A N/A
35 34 John Andretti Chevrolet Window World N/A N/A N/A
36 82 Scott Speed * Toyota Red Bull N/A N/A N/A
37 171 Bobby Labonte Chevrolet TaxSlayer.com Champion's Provisional N/A N/A N/A
38 09 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet Miccosukee Resort & Gaming N/A N/A N/A


+Set by Owner Points
*rookie

<snip>

[Samm]

Not about speeding on pit lane. If you look at the penalties on Jayski, it goes on . . . and on. And if you push, you will be caught, sometime. Some get through. My point is, if a team get a championship it should be without being tainted. More so when it could be four championships back to back.

We will not agree, but I love ya anyway Samm.

As far as I am concerned, cutting it as close to the rules (when doing so gains you an advantage) is what being a championship team is all about in NASCAR. The level of competition is so tight that even gaining 0.01 second per lap will greatly increase your chances of scoring well.

The only thing that taints success for me is nasty driving habits... doing things like what Carl did to Kyle last week or even Juan beating on Jeff's doors for no apparent reason other than he does not like to be passed, are unacceptable. Jeff, Mark and Jimmie are three of the most respectful drivers out there (while also not being easily intimidated...) which is why I like to see them win. If Jimmie wins the championship again this year, it will not be because he or Chad cheated... it will because they are very very good at what they do.

... and I love you too; even when you are wrong. ;)

[spinach]

because of restrictor plates, I hate the talladega race
it's more a crapshoot than it is a race.

the restrictor plates bunch the field up too much
they should take them away and just require a lot lower gears
that way teams aren't robbed of power, and also would come up to speed a lot quicker-- and then teams would have to use rev limiters.
those who choose to abuse the engine more would go faster-- but at the expense of possibly blowing up


"restrictor plates" is a stupid idea

a lot of times the winner of the race is just the one who happens to pick the right place to be to draft correctly-- and depends very little on skill, or car, but mostly on dumb luck.

with no restrictor plates, it would put it back on the car and driver

[spinach]

the thing about pit road speed is to protect the crews.

the reason for the rule is why Jimmie should not have been speeding
nascar needs to change the rules to prevent this

use much narrower timing grids- so that speeding gets caught every time- no matter where you are on pit road.
sure, what he did was legal, but it was manipulation of the rules, and could have hurt someone.

finding loopholes is not in the interest of the sport

[Warrior4God]

because of restrictor plates, I hate the talladega race
it's more a crapshoot than it is a race.

the restrictor plates bunch the field up too much
they should take them away and just require a lot lower gears
that way teams aren't robbed of power, and also would come up to speed a lot quicker-- and then teams would have to use rev limiters.
those who choose to abuse the engine more would go faster-- but at the expense of possibly blowing up


"restrictor plates" is a stupid idea

a lot of times the winner of the race is just the one who happens to pick the right place to be to draft correctly-- and depends very little on skill, or car, but mostly on dumb luck.

with no restrictor plates, it would put it back on the car and driver

restrictor plates or not.............Dega is still full tilt exitement.


I believe the Edwards wreck would have killed many fans had he been going faster.

I was right there in the stands 3 rows from the track and 100 feet from the wreck and the car was very very very very very close to being in the stands.

They did increase the fence hight by 8 feet I believe since the spring race.

Well in about 1 hour I will drive to Talladega and have seats very close to the start finish and am soooooooooooo ready for the thrill of Talladega.

Been napping all day will drive through the night ,eat breakfast at about 6 and git to da track.
The hotels up there get all they can with a 3 night minimum........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

GOOOOOOOO Jeff Gordon!!!!!!!

[Xena]

Amp Energy 500
(http://www.talladegasuperspeedway.com/)
Talladega | 12:00 p.m. ET Sunday | ABC
November 1, 2009 | Race 33 of 36
Green at 1:19 p.m. ET

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/XenaWarrior/NASCAR%20Tracks/Talladega.jpg

[Xena]

because of restrictor plates, i hate the talladega race
it's more a crapshoot than it is a race.

The restrictor plates bunch the field up too much
they should take them away and just require a lot lower gears
that way teams aren't robbed of power, and also would come up to speed a lot quicker-- and then teams would have to use rev limiters.
Those who choose to abuse the engine more would go faster-- but at the expense of possibly blowing up


"restrictor plates" is a stupid idea

a lot of times the winner of the race is just the one who happens to pick the right place to be to draft correctly-- and depends very little on skill, or car, but mostly on dumb luck.

With no restrictor plates, it would put it back on the car and driver

Bingo!

[Xena]

Yesterday in practice there was whining, "leave me alone" from two.

Gordon suddenly slowed and jumped out of line in the middle of a large pack of cars, setting off a chain-reaction. Mark Martin smacked Dale Earnhardt Jr., and at the same time, Sam Hornish Jr., Carl Edwards and Clint Bowyer wound up making contact, with Hornish and Bowyer getting the worst of things.

Greg Biffle was an eyewitness.

"I think [Gordon] got bumped out of line or decided to quit or something going into the corner and everybody got bunched up," Biffle said. "I hit the brakes and I got clipped in the left rear. It did a little bit of body damage, but then I looked in the mirror and they were wrecking behind us, so we're not real sure what happened there."

Michael Waltrip wound up second-fastest, but also ran afoul of NASCAR officials' pleas to be less aggressive with bump-drafting and was ordered to the garage area for a short time. The reason? Mikey bumped the 48.

Brad pushed Jimmie, and JJ was not amused. He was trailing brakes, not driving like normal.

Should the rest of the drivers should part the "water" for them? I think NOT. And IMO, a lot of this is because of the stinking Chase.

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/cup/10/30/happy.hour.talladega/index.html

and me watching prac2

[spinach]

so what do the nascar dumbasses do?

use an even smaller restrictor plate. their thinking? make the car slower top speed
the new plate is 1/16 less diameter on each of the 4 holes
the effect should rob about 50-80 horsepower from last year
which would put the cars at around 400 hp

the actual effects:



less drivers will 'lift', because the car will now lake longer to come back to speed
cars will be bunched up
aerodynamics will be even more hellish that it already is
drivers will have to be more aggressive to pass

and what does this mean?

a lot more crashes and lot more angry fans as their drivers get wrecked early.

Nascar maxed out on dumbass this time.
I hate this race

I hope all the guys come home safe, and no fans get hurt
although if a few nascar officals got a 'tap' from a car, I wouldn't mind.

The better way to slow the cars down is lower gears.
If you set a ratio to where it takes 10,500 rpm to go 200, you would have the right idea.
that way with rev limiters at about 9400, the cars only go about 190 top end

and with the lower gears, the cars would come up to speed quick, and passing after braking would be no problem

[spinach]

this is cool-- the girl who got hurt the last race here, Blake ....something...
is at the race as the formal guest of the speedway, and got to meet all the drivers.

Carl Edwards [whose car disintegrated into the fence, to hurt the girl], gave her an official team jacket that he signed

I think those jackets go for about $1200 or so these days.

I bet the girl has gotten a lot of goodies from nascar and the speedway.

[WhiteHatBobby]

The IRL uses a rev limiter (10,400 RPM) and six forward gears. Maybe NASCAR needs to consider switching from the current 4-speed gearboxes to 6-speed boxes.

Going to a single-barrel fuel injection system would also be a good idea.

NASCAR warned drivers today no bump drafting in the turns or tri-oval. But NASCAR needs to adopt the IRL's One Move Per Straight rule.

But the real story might be what happened at Daytona. Kyle Busch's two moves on Tony Stewart (which would be illegal in the IRL) led to the crazy crash at the end. Had Busch let Stewart pass and lost just 2-3 positions instead of the 10-12 positions he did, Kyle Busch would have made the Chase. Busch missed by eight points at the end of the regular season.

Busch may have learned a lesson in that crash by thinking "if I had just let him by and lost 2-3 positions instead, I would made the Chase."

Remember, the race starts at 12:19 PM CST and will be the first race with the new 2010 rule. The last three races all start around 3 PM EST.

[Xena]

Gentlemen, start your engines!

[Xena]

Boogity, boogity, boogity!

Let's go racin' boys!

[Xena]

Marky flying

[Xena]

Kasey is going back

[spinach]

menard blew a tire, destroyed the car...he's done

the 87 also done

[Xena]

Caution 1 Menard - tire blow; Nemechek got into to it as well

[spinach]

Kasey is going back

yeah, they changed the engine because of some issue
maybe they didn't get it quite right

or maybe a plug wire came off

[WhiteHatBobby]

First safety car of the day. Hope we don't see the Ram Safety Truck any more. And I hope we don't need to see Brett Bodine on the track any more times.

[Xena]

How do people think about Nascar telling the drivers about the rule changes at the last minute. That stinks . Only because it messes up the driver strategy. They could have given them a heads up before today!

[spinach]

How do people think about Nascar telling the drivers about the rule changes at the last minute. That stinks . Only because it messes up the driver strategy. They could have given them a heads up before today!

more nascar dumbass policy.

today they want to be flipping stupid
all we are missing now is some bad calls during the race for penalties

[Xena]

Reuti flying

[Xena]

Joe looks like he is ok

[Xena]

Biffle is very close, not doing what NASCAR said not to do?

[Xena]

Lap 12 -- Jimmie Johnson drops back to the 38th position after starting at the pole.

[Xena]

Jeffy takes the lead

[spinach]

Biffle is very close, not doing what NASCAR said not to do?

yep
there were about 7 or 8 cars bumping in the corner on different laps

what does nascar say or do? nada

but let me guess....someone will get nailed, and then there will be other who will get away with it

btw

Jeff G to the lead.....
but it doesn't matter. This race is a crap shoot and all about lucky drafting.
he won't stay there long

[Xena]

Smoke trying to help the 39 with paper on the car

[Xena]

Lap 19 -- Officials warnings not to bump-draft in the turn have been followed so far, with Greg Biffle backing off of Jeff Gordon in the turn.

NASCAR is certain to be not like the sport when it started . . .

[spinach]

Lap 12 -- Jimmie Johnson drops back to the 38th position after starting at the pole.


the back is the wrong place to be
unless you have a fast partner with you

[Xena]

Casey takes the lead

[Xena]

JJ was weird yesterday in practice . . .

[dashvinny]

nascar has made talledega a total and complete joke. you cant draft, you cant pass, you can just drive around in a dull, boring line for 500 dull boring meaningless miles.

this race is a complete joke.

[Xena]

Good conversation between Tony and Ryan. They have a plan, which will, let's hope, keep them out of trouble. Crossing my fingers.

[Xena]

nascar has made talledega a total and complete joke. you cant draft, you cant pass, you can just drive around in a dull, boring line for 500 dull boring meaningless miles.

this race is a complete joke.

Agree.

[Xena]

NASCAR has neutered the sport

[Xena]

Brad in 16th

[dashvinny]

nascar has made talledega a total and complete joke. they cant draft, they cant pass, they cant do anything resembling a race. nascar wants 500 miles of boring, dull, single file nothing. this isnt a race, its a joke.

here is an idea. forget 500 miles of this joke. just run 2 laps and call it a day. you can tel the announcers are about to fall asleep, as is anyone watching what is not anything resembling a race. it has become a parody. talledega and daytona should be the 4 most exciting races of the year instead of single file jokes.

[dashvinny]

sorry, i didnt see the first post and may have double posted

[Xena]

Papis not on lead lap

[WhiteHatBobby]

They've used this a few times during the race. DW called it the "rope a dope" a few years ago. And we're headed to the first round of pit stops for half the field that did not stop on Lap 6, then followed 3-4 laps later by the other half, so it's virtually neutralised. They're preparing for pit stops as we're coming to the hundred-mile mark.

[Xena]

nascar has made talledega a total and complete joke. they cant draft, they cant pass, they cant do anything resembling a race. nascar wants 500 miles of boring, dull, single file nothing. this isnt a race, its a joke.

here is an idea. forget 500 miles of this joke. just run 2 laps and call it a day. you can tel the announcers are about to fall asleep, as is anyone watching what is not anything resembling a race. it has become a parody. talledega and daytona should be the 4 most exciting races of the year instead of single file jokes.

Neutered Tallagega, not bumping. Now they are single, instead of double and up.

[dashvinny]

you can tell the announcers arent exactly thrilled. they have nothing to announce.

[Xena]

Montoya, Logano, Vickers and Truex to pit

All get new tires. :think: Logano is first one out.

[Xena]

Now we have two lines of cars

Truex got busted on pit road

Casey Mears penalized for exiting too fast

[Xena]

Darnell speeding on pit road

[Xena]

Lap 43 -- Elliott Sadler claims the lead position, followed by Kyle Busch, Keselowski, Burton and Kenseth.

[Xena]

Dinger spun at began of pit road

[Xena]

Caution 2 - Crap! Kurt spun into the lawn

[WhiteHatBobby]

Safety Car - Kurt Busch spins

[WhiteHatBobby]

Kurt Busch reports tyre blown from a cut from a previous bump draft, according to reports. 39 14 all pass through, 48 pitted and could gain the lead on the restart.

24 is very low on fuel.

[Xena]

Something with the wing on the 14 :think:

[Xena]

Did JJ do a fake to go to pit? The five (?) came in, so they missed the wrecks

[Xena]

36 on lead lap

[Xena]

Kurt 2 laps down

[Xena]

Lap 62 -- Bump-drafting is starting to pick up in the straightaways, Kevin Harvick takes the lead with Earnhardt Jr. tight on his bumper.

When will NASCAR will say, "Stop that!" :lol:

[Xena]

Jimmie Johnson after all will get the penalty also

That's only fair . . .

[Xena]

The 2 - he's trying and the car feels good given with the spun

[Xena]

Lap 67 -- At this point, 20 lead changes have taken place as Harvick continues to lead the field.

Lap 68 -- Kevin Harvick radios for an iPod to sit in his drink holder as he holds steady in the lead position.

:))

[spinach]

you can tell the announcers arent exactly thrilled. they have nothing to announce.


tell me about it

I just woke up---- for real
i dozed off for a while...
and apparently didn't miss anything.

i might watch football

eagles and giants game is good.
the race is silly today.
maybe they could next put big cushions on the cars all the way around
and use moped motors

[dashvinny]

i dont know, still one big long single file line. just drop the restrictions and let them race. if they were going 225mph we wouldnt have multi car wrecks. it wont be long before nascar has them going 55mph.

[Xena]

Smoke wants something to keep him from going to sleep "snicker"


Neutered Dega . . .

[spinach]

Smoke said

"can someone tell me something interesting to keep me awake?"

he's not joking all that much.
I wanted to see racing

this is "jackass : the nascar movie"

[spinach]

pit stops coming soon

guys will get gas, tires, no-doz, and ipods....

:wall:

[Xena]

Tony sent a message telling Jimmie Johnson to just go around Ryan instead of riding his bumper like that

What is wrong w/ JJ?

[WhiteHatBobby]

The fans who have the scanners are probably listening to more action inside than watching this race outside. But as Mad Max tells his friends in Italy, Sprint Cup racing is a mix of endurance racing with the mind games and rally racing with the sliding and driving tactics needed. What we're seeing now is the 24 Hours of Talladega, with drivers in an endurance race mode.

And you see why fans love to pick up the scanners and listen to their favourite drivers. They're getting comedy at the track by listening to their heroes talk while playing chess. Some of these drivers are probably sizing up each other right now. Nobody's flinching.

Everyone wants to be the Silver Fox right now.

Stewart -- "They can sell No Doz pills"

[Xena]

the 44 in for a tire going down

Earlier: Well, looks like Jimmie Johnson after all will get the penalty also. That's only fair...

Wasn't going to happen until a CC called them on it. Funny how NASCAR thinks all of the crews and fans are sheep just following JJ.

[Xena]

Montoya in the lead

[Xena]

Biffle in pit @ on a tire

[dashvinny]

more racing now. i wonder if nascar passed the word they can race again.

[Xena]

A crewman said, "Crew says there is a fan in the stands with a sign selling Nodoz pills to stay awake.

:))

[Xena]

Hamlin says he's only been half throttle this whole run :eek:

[spinach]

the "racing" in the past few laps was largely due to some teams trying to get down on the inside, to pit
and because some cars had already pitted, the leaders caught them and had to go around them.

Now that pit stops are done, expect more boredom until the last 30-40 laps

we should get "the big one" sometime late....probably with 40-45 to go.

[Xena]

Go Denny - Go for it!

[Xena]

Caution 3 - debris in Turn 4

Biff gets the lucky dawg

Did anyone see the debris?

[spinach]

caution, debris in turn 4


which of course means a double file restart.
we may get the "big one" right on the restart...

[Xena]

Kurt down 1 lap now

[Xena]

I do not like Joey behind of Robby

[Xena]

Newman in the lead

[Xena]

Gordo takes the lead

[Xena]

Now they're letting it go!

[WhiteHatBobby]

Junior says we're back to the era from driving 10-12 years ago when bump drafting wasn't the way to go. Some drivers are just going to the back and playing strategy, testing all types of strategy with 250 km (58 laps) remaining.

[Xena]

Aaarggh, they just put up and who is like to wreck. Most of the top drivers. :eek:

[Xena]

52 to go

[Xena]

Caution 4 - Denny blew engine.

[Xena]

Smoke saying what he says to do, it is wrong

[WhiteHatBobby]

Looking at my scorebook for most laps run today between stops . . .

Cars pitted: Lap 52 (after 2- Kurt Busch spin)
Restarted: Lap 55
Next pit: Laps 92-99.

The maximum number of laps: 42-47 laps.

This restart will be interesting. Some drivers could make it on fuel, some cannot. The scorebook says this race could go down to who takes fuel and who does not. We could see some more cars pit on the one to go signal to take extra fuel before the restart to see if they can make it to the end on their 18.5 gallons of Sunoco 260 GT.

[spinach]

if it were me, I'd pit as soon as the window for it opens...
that way you don't have to stop any more

and a couple of cautions after you pit gives you opportunity to close back up if you get shuffled back

since there isn't much bump drafting, no one is gonna get away from anyone
so it's all about picking a draft spot.

which means, it's probably about 75% luck and 25% car plus driver


we could easily get a "surprise winner" in this race.
some no-name could win, totally unexpected

[Xena]

Oil streak in Turn 1 and 2

[spinach]

Oil streak in Turn 1 and 2


yeah
the 11 blew up and painted the track with oil

[spinach]

think about this

why not shorten the race to 60 laps?

there's no point to have the first 120 laps of dull riding around. [with 200 meaningless lead changes]

[Xena]

Smoke getting a splash of fuel

Darian is telling Tony to Save Save Save Fuel

[Xena]

Gordons were at the top, then something happened.

[Xena]

Denny is taking this well. It must be hard for him.

[Xena]

Hamlin reports a connecting rod as the reason for his trip to the garage.

[spinach]

ten bucks says that Stremme wrecks

and takes out half the field

[Xena]

38 to go - the boys are getting squirrely

[Xena]

ten bucks says that stremme wrecks

and takes out half the field

no way! :)

[spinach]

Jeff G is in a bad bad bad bad spot

8 rows deep, in the middle

he needs to get out of that-- that's certain wreck if something happens

inside would be a lot lot better

[spinach]

no way! :)


Okay, then 100 carbon credits says that stremme wrecks and takes out 12 cars

[Xena]

Oh no, Sadler is near the 14th :eek:

[spinach]

those guys hanging at the back-- like Jimmie Johnson

are screwing up. Sure it helps my driver, Jeff G---
but it's still the wrong move

even if there is a pile up, the lack of being able to bump all the way around means a lot less passing, but with more chance of wrecks.

ergo, the best I could see Jimmie doing is a 15th place finish

of course, the best place to be is in the top 10
that should dramatically cut down the chance of wreck

[spinach]

Oh no, Sadler is near the 14th :eek:

not to worry...
there are bigger idiots out there

[Xena]

Single file now

[spinach]

29 to go

jimmie should move forward now
can't wait around to the last minute

[spinach]

Single file now


yep
that's crazy.

this is Talladega, not a line dance at a western bar

[spinach]

stremme is in 15th Jeff G in 16th

I'm trying to telepathically tell Jeff to get around the clown

stremme will be in the wall sooner or later
he's a rolling wreck

[Xena]

It's going to get more squirrelly . . .

[Xena]

21 to go

[spinach]

Jimmie advancing

let's see if he can prove he deserves to be champion
if he can get to the front this late, he deserves the trophy

[Xena]

Matt takes the lead

[Xena]

Ragan takes the lead

[spinach]

3 wide

the big one is coming really soon

Jimmie isn't moving....

30th place still
I think he's screwing up bad

[Xena]

Stremme leading :eek:

[spinach]

Jimmie advancing finally up to 26th

dunno if its gonna work out

[Xena]

9 to go

[spinach]

Stremme leading :eek:


yeah
and I think they said he is 2 laps short on fuel

which means wrecking the field

[spinach]

57 lead changes

this is asinine.

totally stupid

[Xena]

Jeffy bumping - that's a no no, eh?

[Xena]

6 to go

[Xena]

Caution 5 - Ryan Newman hits his friend/boss/teammate, flips his car and is upside down in the grass. Safety crews are trying to free him from car.

Harvick, Ambrose, Sadler and Sorenson (?) in it too.

[spinach]

39- newman annihilated the car

hope he's okay

4 or 5 cars involved

[spinach]

Jeffy bumping - that's a no no, eh?


yep.

flagrant.

a lot of cars are doing it--
and if it causes a wreck, nascar is gonna like idiots for not enforcing their own asinine rules

[spinach]

sorry Xena--

smoke hit the wall hard
car is damaged bad

[spinach]

Jimmie pitting, along with a few others.

Let's pray for Ryan to be okay.
that was nasty.

:pray:

[spinach]

Red flag

[spinach]

the safety crews aren't too anxious it looks like--
so Ryan must be fine.

[spinach]

confirmed--

Ryan on the radio- he is fine.

[spinach]

may have to use the hydraulic jaws to cut the car open.

they do not want to squeeze Ryan out--
they are gonna open up the roof and lift him out.