Rove indicted.

[biggestal]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

[Y2Bogus]

Whose turn is it to post the Leopold's bio?

[gdoane]

You can't get an indictment on a Saturday. Grand juries don't work on weekends.

[getserious]

You can't get an indictment on a Saturday. Grand juries don't work on weekends.
Drat!
And the libs were getting the electric chair all ready. They would agree to the death penalty this one time.

[Citizen]

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 9, 2005; Page C07

Jason Leopold got a journalistic black eye three years ago when Salon retracted a story the freelancer had written about a Bush administration official, saying it could not authenticate the piece.

Now the former Los Angeles Times and Dow Jones reporter has written a book, "Off the Record," that criticizes journalists as lazy. Oh, and by the way, Leopold says he engaged in "lying, cheating and backstabbing," is a former cocaine addict, served time for grand larceny, repeatedly tried to kill himself and has battled mental illness his whole life.

But the book's publisher, Rowman & Littlefield, has canceled "Off the Record" days before it was to go to press, despite having sent out news releases and listed the book on Amazon.com. The publisher acted after receiving a warning letter from one subject's lawyer.

"I'm devastated," Leopold said yesterday. "I worked really hard these past two years to restore my credibility after the Salon fiasco. . . . I have a checkered past, and I was hoping that by coming clean about my own past, it would allow me to move forward."

According to a lengthy press release on the book's publication from Rowman & Littlefield, a small publisher based in Lanham, Leopold says Steven Maviglio, a former spokesman for then-California Gov. Gray Davis, "confided in me that he might have broken the law by investing in energy companies using inside information."

Maviglio, who now works for the California legislature, says that Leopold "just got it completely wrong" and that he never "confided" in Leopold. He says his lawyer sent the publisher a letter demanding that the material Maviglio deems defamatory be removed.

Jon Sisk, publisher of Rowman & Littlefield, says only that the book has been dropped for "business reasons."

Maviglio says he bought Enron stock in 1996 and stock in a California energy firm in 2001 -- which he quickly sold -- and that federal and state regulators found no wrongdoing on his part. The "Off the Record" press release says Leopold leaked the information about the stock purchases to Davis's Republican critics, who leaked it to two California papers, creating a flap for the Democratic governor's press secretary at the height of the state's energy crisis.

"I wasn't worried about breaking the law," Maviglio says. "I was worried about the perception." He says that Sacramento reporters considered Leopold a "laughingstock" and that when he called to complain about the forthcoming book, Leopold said: "I could use the publicity if you want to make something of it."

Leopold is blaming the publisher. In recent e-mails to associates, he said he never wrote the offending language about Maviglio in his book. Instead, Leopold says, the company's publicist took that and other material from his book proposal, not the finished manuscript.

"If news of this controversy leaks out to the media, it will virtually destroy my writing career, both as a journalist and author, in my opinion," Leopold wrote in a Feb. 28 e-mail. "I am already a lightning rod and the media will quickly eat this up and brand me as an untrustworthy writer." The publisher, he added, should "take full responsibility for this fiasco" since the book had been "vetted" by lawyers.

The Salon debacle in 2002 involved a purported e-mail from then-Army secretary Thomas White, a former Enron executive, which White said he had no recollection of writing. Leopold reported that White, while at Enron, had written: "Close a bigger deal. Hide the loss before the 1Q." The online magazine initially said Leopold had plagiarized part of the story, then retracted it altogether.

Leopold told The Washington Post at the time that Salon was being "wimpy," but a Salon executive said the source cited by Leopold as providing the e-mail insisted he had never spoken with Leopold. (In the book's press release, the author gloats that journalists, including this reporter, "never bothered to check out my past" while covering his mistakes.)

The press release says Leopold used his own criminal past to ingratiate himself with Enron executives, which is how he landed the first interview with former chief executive Jeffrey Skilling after the energy giant declared bankruptcy.

The release fleshes out a troubled career. Leopold says his grand larceny conviction in 1996 was for stealing compact discs from his employer, a New York music company, and reselling them to record stores. He says he was fired by the Los Angeles Times "for threatening to rip a reporter's head off." Leopold says he quit Dow Jones Newswires in a dispute over his beat but later learned the news service was planning to fire him because of a correction to one of his Enron stories: "Seems I got all of the facts wrong."

Leopold now says he was "brutally honest" in the book and admits to making "many mistakes. . . . I was hoping it would allow me to find some sort of redemption."

[Citizen]

Shouldn't this have happened FIRST?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032806Z.shtml

Notice the date.

[Y2Bogus]

Jason Leopold spent two years covering California's electricity crisis as Los Angeles bureau chief of Dow Jones Newswires. Jason has spent the last year cultivating sources close to the CIA leak investigation, and is a regular contributor to t r u t h o u t.

Truthout.org's bio of Leopold is missing a few items.

[gdoane]

Drat!
And the libs were getting the electric chair all ready. They would agree to the death penalty this one time.

Karl Rove would mess with their heads so bad...

Just before the execution he says "Wait! I have the lost Ballot Box from the Miami 2000 Election proving that Al Gore won!"

They postpone the sentence long enough to get the box, and then resume. Rove says "Wait! I have the code that Diebold used in Ohio in 2004!"

They postpone the sentence again and get the code. Resuming the sentence, "The Architect" says "Wait! I've got the records proving that W. Bush was AWOL from the Texas National Guard!"

They postpone the sentence long enough to get the records, and then resume. Rove cries "Wait! I have love letters from Dick Cheney to the CEO of Halliburton!"

They postpone the sentence long enough to get the love letters and then resume only to be stopped by an arcane law that says if you try and execute a guy three times and don't make it, he walks. Rove leaves a free man and Fitz is strapped into the chair instead...

[Darkwind]

Karl Rove would mess with their heads so bad...

Just before the execution he says "Wait! I have the lost Ballot Box from the Miami 2000 Election proving that Al Gore won!"

They postpone the sentence long enough to get the box, and then resume. Rove says "Wait! I have the code that Diebold used in Ohio in 2004!"

They postpone the sentence again and get the code. Resuming the sentence, "The Architect" says "Wait! I've got the records proving that W. Bush was AWOL from the Texas National Guard!"

They postpone the sentence long enough to get the records, and then resume. Rove cries "Wait! I have love letters from Dick Cheney to the CEO of Halliburton!"

They postpone the sentence long enough to get the love letters and then resume only to be stopped by an arcane law that says if you try and execute a guy three times and don't make it, he walks. Rove leaves a free man and Fitz is strapped into the chair instead...

Three strikes and your OUT!

:)):))

[H-minus]

Rather amusing, the left is again pulling stories out of their backside and claiming they are real.

Rove just scares the hell out of them.

[cyph3r7]

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

I thought this was a thread about Rove. As usual you libs always bring up Clinton

[skprtod914]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

Don't see anything about it on Fox News or CNN.

[Y2Bogus]

I'm just musing here, but how incredibly hillarious would it be if Rove leaked this to an obvious left-wing loon to propagate the story on left wing blogs, knowing that there will be no indictment.

[cfinstr]

I do not give a RAtS BEHIND about rove.... But come on guys... DO not post it as a fait acompli' unti it in fact has happened.....

[GregMartin]

So basicly just another liar posting another lie. Come Monday he might post another thread. Until then he is just a liar.

Big corn you need to go back to dancing on soldiers graves. At least then you were not lying, you in fact hate the military and America and stated so. Now you are just


lying.

[GregMartin]

May 13th, 2006 8:17 pm
http://talkleft.haha/whatajoke.com/new_lies/014833.html (http://talkleft.haha/whatajoke.com/new_lies/014833.html)

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.
:))ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah :))May 13.

How long has it been now since Rove's been indicted, corn?
What?
Huh?
He hasn't yet?
Then you, uh.... LIED

[NightTrain]

LOL...:))

Stoopid Libs...

[CrusaderFrank]

It's the Great Indictment, Charlie Brown!

[DiveCon]

no Fitzmas yet

[skipjack]

It's been 6 days....makes one wonder :))

Skip

[chip]

Biggestal gets taken


AGAIN.

BWAAAHAAAA!!!!

How many times is this now? :lol:

[NightTrain]

Biggestal gets taken


AGAIN.

BWAAAHAAAA!!!!

How many times is this now? :lol:

I lost count in 2003...;)

[RedStatePaPa]

Biggestal gets taken


AGAIN.

BWAAAHAAAA!!!!

How many times is this now? :lol:

I love the pic they have up on nothingleft(talkleft)

http://talkleft.com/rovetrap.jpg

:))

[Darkblade]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

ooooooh lookie truth out. well named because the truth is right out.

[gdoane]

no Fitzmas yet

Poor Rove. I bet he packed his toothbrush and everything. :lol:

[Darkblade]

Biggie baybeee! seek help.

failing that, bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it.

[EdKinOK]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

He was indicted last week? And it didn't make the news?

You libs will grab at anything.

(Pssst. Bush/Cheney planned and carried out 9/11. Pass the word.)

[DanBlather]

Breaking: Rove Indicted.... Again !!!!!!!

Bwahahahahhahahahaahahahahahahahahahaa

[Darkblade]

<snicker!>

[NightTrain]

too bad biggs isn't on right now...:(

[DanBlather]

<snicker!>Where is Darkblade when you need him ?:))

[gdoane]

Biggie baybeee! seek help.

I think that's actually the problem, getting help from a radical leftist blog. It's not enough to find help, the help has to actually be good and reliable.

failing that, bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it.

Do liberals actually use hand tools as dinner preparation utensils?

[EdKinOK]

Bumpity

[Flakey Foont]

Rather amusing, the left is again pulling stories out of their backside and claiming they are real.

Rove just scares the hell out of them.


Even more amusing that fairweather conservatives would defend a political hack like rove

[Mike88]

Even more amusing that fairweather conservatives would defend a political hack like rove

Making up false stories to trick people politically is "less amusing" than conservatives standing behind Rove?

[H-minus]

Even more amusing that fairweather conservatives would defend a political hack like roveAh, the proverbial white flag post, where Flakey attempts to salvage some scrap of dignity from another liberal circle jerk.

How is impeachment coming Flakey?

Still trying to get foreign law to trump the US Constitution? :think:

[gdoane]

Even more amusing that fairweather conservatives would defend a political hack like rove

It's Reagan's 11th Commandment, Never Speak Ill Of Another Republican.

The question isn't why conservatives would defend him but rather why liberals would attack him so vituperatively.

Rove is politically a nobody. He's not elected, he's essentially powerless and he is nowhere to be found in the lawmaking process, so it's ridiculous to keep attacking him when it will make not one single difference.

My theory is that W. Bush won, Liberals sell the idea that Dubya is a drooling moron who can't even handle a bag of pretzels on his own and to console themselves over losing to this clown twice, they tell themselves that Dubya didn't ever defeat them in an election, but rather that Karl Rove did it to them.

What liberals don't realize is that they're blaming the wrong guy. I can tell you who is defeating the Democrat Party very easily.

Nancy Pelosi is defeating the Democrat Party. A typical San Fransicko Liberal, her radical left agenda is a turn-off to all who love freedom, liberty and prosperity.

Ted Kennedy is defeating the Democrat Party. The "Swimmer" is an irresponsible killer, a drunken lecher, and a radical left-wing lunatic.

Hillary Clintoon is defeating the Democrat Party. Her extremist socialist views dubbed as "Hillarycare" and unceremoniously dumped as positively pinko brands her as an America-hating crackpot.

Howard Dean is defeating the Democrat Party. His insane screaming, his ranting like a madman and then being rewarded with the leadership of the DNC is plenty of evidence that among the Democrats, the Lunatics really are running the asylum.

Je$$e "$hakedown" Jack$on is defeating the Democrat Party. He and his dumb cronies like Farrakhan and Sharpton with their race cards at the ready and seeing a racist behind every tree are caricatures about how out of touch the Democrat Party truly is.

Robert "Sheets" Byrd is defeating the Democrat Party. His existence and the fact that Democrats rely on the Race Card as their main plan of attack show for all to see that purebred hypocrites are always welcome among Democrats if only they vote with the "D" column.

Democrats are self-imploding. They'd be losing with or without Rove around.

[Kim From Long Island]

Rove is politically a nobody.
Rove is anything but a political nobody, but I'll believe he's indicted when I see Fitzgerald have a press conference about it the same way he did about Libby, not until then.

[Sallow]

About freakin time.

[gdoane]

Rove is anything but a political nobody, but I'll believe he's indicted when I see Fitzgerald have a press conference about it the same way he did about Libby, not until then.

Practically nobody had even heard of Karl Rove before the 2000 election and it's unlikely he'll be heard of much after 2008. Newt Gingrich had more staying power.

The indictment of Scooter Libby was a joke. He lied during an investigation into a crime that didn't even find a crime? The investigation was the CAUSATIVE FACTOR of the crime! If that idiotic incompetent creep Fitzy hadn't been digging for mud nobody would have come up dirty.

From now on the stock answer to any Federal Investigator from me will be "You are an idiot and I am never telling you a damned thing you incompetent fool. Go read the Fifth Amendment and don't ever bother asking me a question again you hack." Had Scooter Libby just done that, like everybody faced with a Federal Investigator should under the Fifth Amendment, he'd never be in trouble for anything.

[Sallow]

Practically nobody had even heard of Karl Rove before the 2000 election and it's unlikely he'll be heard of much after 2008. Newt Gingrich had more staying power.

The indictment of Scooter Libby was a joke. He lied during an investigation into a crime that didn't even find a crime? The investigation was the CAUSATIVE FACTOR of the crime! If that idiotic incompetent creep Fitzy hadn't been digging for mud nobody would have come up dirty.

From now on the stock answer to any Federal Investigator from me will be "You are an idiot and I am never telling you a damned thing you incompetent fool. Go read the Fifth Amendment and don't ever bother asking me a question again you hack." Had Scooter Libby just done that, like everybody faced with a Federal Investigator should under the Fifth Amendment, he'd never be in trouble for anything.

Same thing happened to Martha Steward. Look where it got her..

[Kim From Long Island]

Practically nobody had even heard of Karl Rove before the 2000 election and it's unlikely he'll be heard of much after 2008. Newt Gingrich had more staying power.

The indictment of Scooter Libby was a joke. He lied during an investigation into a crime that didn't even find a crime? The investigation was the CAUSATIVE FACTOR of the crime! If that idiotic incompetent creep Fitzy hadn't been digging for mud nobody would have come up dirty.

From now on the stock answer to any Federal Investigator from me will be "You are an idiot and I am never telling you a damned thing you incompetent fool. Go read the Fifth Amendment and don't ever bother asking me a question again you hack." Had Scooter Libby just done that, like everybody faced with a Federal Investigator should under the Fifth Amendment, he'd never be in trouble for anything.
I'm not catagorizing what indictment he may or may not get or if it is meaningful or not. I'm stating that I'm not believing ANYONE saying he has been indicted for ANYTHING until and unless I see Fitzgerald hold a press conference saying its true.
BTW, just because nobody has been indicted for outing Valarie Plame YET doesn't mean they wont or that it wasn't a crime. After all, it was the cover up that got Nixon and company, not the crime of the break in.

[Sallow]

I'm not catagorizing what indictment he may or may not get or if it is meaningful or not. I'm stating that I'm not believing ANYONE saying he has been indicted for ANYTHING until and unless I see Fitzgerald hold a press conference saying its true.
BTW, just because nobody has been indicted for outing Valarie Plame YET doesn't mean they wont or that it wasn't a crime. After all, it was the cover up that got Nixon and company, not the crime of the break in.

It should have been. It is very dangerous when the party in power..uses that power to subvert the party not in power.

[gdoane]

Same thing happened to Martha Steward. Look where it got her..

Yeah, a Reality TV show like Donald Trump's. Gosh, what an awful punishment. :razz:

[gdoane]

I'm not catagorizing what indictment he may or may not get or if it is meaningful or not. I'm stating that I'm not believing ANYONE saying he has been indicted for ANYTHING until and unless I see Fitzgerald hold a press conference saying its true.
BTW, just because nobody has been indicted for outing Valarie Plame YET doesn't mean they wont or that it wasn't a crime. After all, it was the cover up that got Nixon and company, not the crime of the break in.

Nixon wasn't "gotten". He wasn't impeached, he wasn't prosecuted and he walked with a full pardon in case some idiot thought to even try prosecuting him. Heck, if it was a crime it was the perfect one.

[Sallow]

Yeah, a Reality TV show like Donald Trump's. Gosh, what an awful punishment. :razz:

Um..she was in JAIL.

Having spent a weekend in one..I can tell you it was far from fun.

She also lost a pile of money..a magazine and her own show.

Get real man.

[gdoane]

Um..she was in JAIL.

Not a real one. Federal Jails are vacation resorts for the rich and famous. Take a look:

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/upcoming-apprentice-star-martha-stewart-credits-prison-for-better-skin-1003164.php

Upcoming 'Apprentice' star Martha Stewart credits prison for better skin

UPI News Service, 05/01/2005

Martha Stewart told People magazine her skin got better while she served her five-month sentence at a federal prison in Alderson, W.Va.

Stewart, sentenced for lying to federal investigators, said she bought "very good" Avon shampoo and "great" Neutrogena products in the prison commissary, the New York Post reported Sunday.

"Luckily, I could buy them," she told the magazine for its "50 Most Beautiful People" edition. "A lot of people down there don't have the money to get the products."

Stewart said all buildings in the prison had a little room with a big mirror, blow-dryers and irons. She said she showed other prisoners how to blow-dry their hair with a "flick of the wrist" - a method she learned from Manhattan stylist Frederic Fekkai.

Prison, huh? Big mirrors, Avon, Neutrogena, Blow Dryers and all? Sounds like a real dungeon! :rolleyes:

Having spent a weekend in one..I can tell you it was far from fun.

Well, you probably didn't have Martha Stewart showing you blow dryer tips from Manhattan stylist Frederic Fekkai either.


She also lost a pile of money..a magazine and her own show.

Get real man.

She's still worth a lot more money than the average American. Not only do I not feel sorry for her, but I'd trade her bank accounts and assets for mine in a heartbeat.

[Kim From Long Island]

Nixon wasn't "gotten". He wasn't impeached, he wasn't prosecuted and he walked with a full pardon in case some idiot thought to even try prosecuting him. Heck, if it was a crime it was the perfect one.
And thats something we should have all our leader aspire to? Committing the perfect crime?

[Gray]

And thats something we should have all our leader aspire to? Committing the perfect crime?

Funny, I didn't get that from what he said.

[Kim From Long Island]

Funny, I didn't get that from what he said.
He was given a full pardon from Ford for any crime he MAY have committed for the years he was President (or almost all of them). Why bother continuing an investigation to a crime that has already been pardoned. It was a perfect crime in that respect.

[Gray]

He was given a full pardon from Ford for any crime he MAY have committed for the years he was President (or almost all of them). Why bother continuing an investigation to a crime that has already been pardoned. It was a perfect crime in that respect.


And thats something we should have all our leader aspire to? Committing the perfect crime?

You indicated that Gdoane inferred that we should have our leaders aspire to comitting perfect crimes. I didn't see that in his post, you did.

[Kim From Long Island]

You indicated that Gdoane inferred that we should have our leaders aspire to comitting perfect crimes. I didn't see that in his post, you did.
Thats what I believe he meant. That its ok for Libby, Rove or anyone else commit a crime (if they did) and cover it up, so long as they do it perfectly... need be via pardon.

[gdoane]

And thats something we should have all our leader aspire to? Committing the perfect crime?

Of course!

World leaders are traditionally scoundrels, cutthroats, thieves, and worse. Julius Caesar, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Benito Mussolini, Joe Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Jung Il, Ivan The Terrible, King George III, Napoleon Bonaparte, Manuel Noriega, and Emperor Hirohito to name just a very small sampling of villains in charge.

Our leader must be as bad as or worse than those guys in order to effectively deal with a world stage that is completely populated with very evil men. Our leaders have to be more evil than their leaders or we'll lose and get destroyed because in any contest, the most evil and vicious participant will emerge victorious.

How'd we win WWII? We NUKED the enemy. We were more vicious than anybody had ever even THOUGHT of being before. "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman pushed the button that unleashed destruction heretofore unimaginable by even the wildest dreams of any homocidal maniac.

We need leaders capable of that sort of evil. We need to have the most vicious, hateful, sociopathic leaders in the free world to scare the other nations into respecting us. Then we're safe.

[Kim From Long Island]

Of course!

World leaders are traditionally scoundrels, cutthroats, thieves, and worse. Julius Caesar, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Benito Mussolini, Joe Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Jung Il, Ivan The Terrible, King George III, Napoleon Bonaparte, Manuel Noriega, and Emperor Hirohito to name just a very small sampling of villains in charge.

Our leader must be as bad as or worse than those guys in order to effectively deal with a world stage that is completely populated with very evil men. Our leaders have to be more evil than their leaders or we'll lose and get destroyed because in any contest, the most evil and vicious participant will emerge victorious.

How'd we win WWII? We NUKED the enemy. We were more vicious than anybody had ever even THOUGHT of being before. "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman pushed the button that unleashed destruction heretofore unimaginable by even the wildest dreams of any homocidal maniac.

We need leaders capable of that sort of evil. We need to have the most vicious, hateful, sociopathic leaders in the free world to scare the other nations into respecting us. Then we're safe.
I'm hoping thats sarcasm.

[H-minus]

Hirohito wasn't a villian.

[Gray]

I'm hoping thats sarcasm.


It is the not knowing that kills you! :))

[gdoane]

I'm hoping thats sarcasm.

I said "if there was a crime" about the "Watergate Coverup". I don't believe it was a crime. Oh sure, the break-in was a crime but the coverup wasn't. I've never heard of anybody going to prison for committing Coverup In The First Degree.

[gdoane]

Hirohito wasn't a villian.

12 Million Chinese Dead from his fanatical empire building doesn't make him my idea of a Social Worker.

[Kim From Long Island]

I said "if there was a crime" about the "Watergate Coverup". I don't believe it was a crime. Oh sure, the break-in was a crime but the coverup wasn't. I've never heard of anybody going to prison for committing Coverup In The First Degree.
It is illegal to lie under oath. That in and of itself is a crime. (And before you ask, yes I think it was illegal when Clinton did it too).

[H-minus]

12 Million Chinese Dead from his fanatical empire building doesn't make him my idea of a Social Worker.Neither does being a figurehead, as every Emperor was from the first, Jemmu.

Put the blame where it lies, not on ol Hirohito, like Curly, he was a victim of circumstance.

[gdoane]

It is illegal to lie under oath.

It is illegal to require self-incrimination as well. Therefore the lie is one of a lesser evil among seemingly unavoidable choices of evils. This becomes a necessity defense.

An example of a crime of a lesser evil would be if you're being threatened with a deadly weapon and you shoot the guy threatening you. Shooting people is generally considered to be illegal in and of itself, but if you were trying to avoid an evil (your own death) by committing a lesser evil (shooting the creep threatening you) then you have a defense of necessity.

There is a legitimate question as to whether it's better to stay silent or to lie in order to protect your Fifth Amendment Right against self incrimination and here's the reason why:

Let's say that Richard Nixon is on the stand and he is asked, point blank, "Did You Authorize The Burglary At The Watergate Hotel on June 17th, 1972?" His options are what?

"Yes"? He goes to prison. He can't be coerced to answer that way.
"No"? He helps his own defense and he may think that's his only option as a reasonable belief.
"Fifth Amendment"? The jury is not supposed to treat this as a "Yes" but what reasonable person would take it otherwise?

Defense of necessity. The defendants Fifth Amendment rights were threatened so he committed a lesser evil (perjury) for a greater good (protecting his Constitutional Rights).

Defense of Necessity can excuse killing a human being so it can certainly excuse telling a fib.

That in and of itself is a crime. (And before you ask, yes I think it was illegal when Clinton did it too).

The difference is that Clinton wasn't incriminating himself. It wasn't a criminal charge. Whatever he did with Monica Lewinsky may have been tacky, lewd, and otherwise ill-advised, but it was not criminal. Lewinsky apparently consented so what's the crime? Consensual Fornication with intent to ruin a cigar? There's no crime so there's no defense of necessity.

[gdoane]

Neither does being a figurehead, as every Emperor was from the first, Jemmu.

Put the blame where it lies, not on ol Hirohito, like Curly, he was a victim of circumstance.

Okay, so the person building up the Empire of Japan in WWII wasn't the Emperor? Got a name of who may have been in charge of that whole fiasco?

[H-minus]

Okay, so the person building up the Empire of Japan in WWII wasn't the Emperor? Got a name of who may have been in charge of that whole fiasco?There are several fitting people to select, Tojo is as good as any.

[gdoane]

There are several fitting people to select, Tojo is as good as any.

I'm sticking with Hirohito. There may be no truth to the rumor that he had a sign on his desk reading "The Yen Stop Here" but he was the head honcho, the big kahuna, the top dog, the big cheese, the King with the Bling, Mr. Big himself.

[H-minus]

If you want to be wrong, knock yourself out.

[upsetmom]

The difference is that Clinton wasn't incriminating himself. It wasn't a criminal charge. Whatever he did with Monica Lewinsky may have been tacky, lewd, and otherwise ill-advised, but it was not criminal. Lewinsky apparently consented so what's the crime? Consensual Fornication with intent to ruin a cigar? There's no crime so there's no defense of necessity.

......my husband would say it depends on the type of cigar.........











:))

[upsetmom]

Okay, so the person building up the Empire of Japan in WWII wasn't the Emperor? Got a name of who may have been in charge of that whole fiasco?

Hirohito WAS ultimately "responsible" because he was the head of the country. But the war was not his idea and the military build-up was at the behest of the minister of war, tojo.

http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/JpWLord.html

Tojo, Yamaoto, and the others kept Hirohito informed of the war but the Emperor chose to do nothing - in fact could do anything for he had never even broadcast to his people - such was the aurora of mystification and deification that the politicians and people enshrined him in. It is for him having failed to stop it that people today still hold that he was a war criminal. It was only after the dropping of the atomic bombs and the imminent invasion of the home and that the Emperor, acting upon Kido's advice, decided to speak out.

[biggestal]

Then you, uh.... LIED

I didn't lie. I read the website just like you did. they said that rove
had been indicted not I. why kill the messenger, Marlin.
I was mislead. but that far from a liar, ass.

[Gray]

I didn't lie. I read the website just like you did. they said that rove
had been indicted not I. why kill the messenger, Marlin.
I was mislead. but that far from a liar, ass.

You got bad intelligence. It's not like you should be impeached or anything.

[biggestal]

You got bad intelligence. It's not like you should be impeached or anything.

Funny I never heard the word "Mislead" from Bush.

I clearly was and I admit it. Can Bush admit to the same thing?

[H-minus]

Funny I never heard the word "Mislead" from Bush.

I clearly was and I admit it. Can Bush admit to the same thing?Would you support him if he did? :think:

[DiveCon]

Funny I never heard the word "Mislead" from Bush.

I clearly was and I admit it. Can Bush admit to the same thing?

hmmm, willfully mislead you were
that site has been wrong on things so many times, you should have known better than to trust it as your only source

[bodecea]

Hello,

There was a request to borrow this:

This thread's title is a damnable lie and those who support it are damnable liars.

I don't know why the requestee can't do it herself...but...whatever. I had a free moment and thought I'd give a hand.

Have a nice day. :)

[H-minus]

Not a lie, he had bad intelligence. :think:

[biggestal]

hmmm, willfully mislead you were
that site has been wrong on things so many times, you should have known better than to trust it as your only source

Maybe it was what I wanted to hear ala Bush.

[DiveCon]

Maybe it was what I wanted to hear ala Bush.

oh, there is no doubt it was what you wanted to hear
but in Bush's case, he heard it from several sources and many that he had no control over
Intel is not an absolute, you have to weigh the intel and go with what you think is the best
it was not worth the risk to not know for sure

[Kim From Long Island]

It is illegal to require self-incrimination as well. Therefore the lie is one of a lesser evil among seemingly unavoidable choices of evils. This becomes a necessity defense.
No the necessary defense is to claim the 5th amendment. They didn't HAVE to say anything, instead they chose to lie under oath.

[flattax]

The title should read "Rove Indestructible."

[Darkblade]

it's a typo? :think:

[biggestal]

oh, there is no doubt it was what you wanted to hear
but in Bush's case, he heard it from several sources and many that he had no control over
Intel is not an absolute, you have to weigh the intel and go with what you think is the best
it was not worth the risk to not know for sure

But isn't that the same with me. that website wasn't absolute(as I found out much to my folly). I knew that Rove had not been indicted and I took a shot going with bad intel. My bad. :lol:

[skipjack]

This is just a long line of things that big's has been mistaken about.

Typical liberal ;)

Skip

[DiveCon]

But isn't that the same with me. that website wasn't absolute(as I found out much to my folly). I knew that Rove had not been indicted and I took a shot going with bad intel. My bad. :lol:

you took your lumps well
;)

[biggestal]

you took your lumps well
;)

I won't be using that website in the future that much is for certain.
Once burned; twice shy.

I thought I had a scoop. ooopsie.

[scavengerspc]

I won't be using that website in the future that much is for certain.
Once burned; twice shy.

I thought I had a scoop. ooopsie.

Eh, it happens. From both sides.

Did you see the "Hillary gets Purple Heart" thread?


Dave

[DiveCon]

Eh, it happens. From both sides.

Did you see the "Hillary gets Purple Heart" thread?


Dave

i saw that
it was stupid

[scavengerspc]

i saw that
it was stupid

Sure was, but like I said, it happens.

Dave

[FidelisAdMortem]

Another misstep in the thread starting career of biggestal.

[biggestal]

Another misstep in the thread starting career of biggestal.

and I guess you've never made a mistake, Mr Perfect.:lol:

Excuse me. Your worshipfulness.

[FidelisAdMortem]

and I guess you've never made a mistake, Mr Perfect.:lol:

Excuse me. Your worshipfulness.

Not on the level you have.

[biggestal]

Not on the level you have.

Name me the last time I made a mistake at this level. I usually am on top of things so maybe you could enlighten me. If not just accept that I was man enough to admit it and move on without the snide comments.

[Y2Bogus]

I'll say this. I've never agreed with biggie, but he's had the balls to admit he was wrong.

[GregMartin]

Not "wrong", "mislead"
:))

Right, bigcorn - bad intelligence...

:))

[H-minus]

So, I would just like to Say Rove has not yet been indicted.

:p

[Flakey Foont]

So, I would just like to Say Rove has not yet been indicted.

:p


Do you really give a rats ass if he was?

[bella-day]

Do you really give a rats ass if he was?

Do you?

[RedStatePaPa]

Do you really give a rats ass if he was?
You apparantly have the party hats by your bedside.

[gdoane]

Do you really give a rats ass if he was?

Not really, because I know how it would pan out. It's a no-brainer. Chief Advisor to a Lame Duck President gets indicted, he'll be pardoned before the Judge gets the verdict from the Jury. The whole thing is an exercise in futility.

[Flakey Foont]

You apparantly have the party hats by your bedside.


I have no mercy for any political hack

[Flakey Foont]

Not really, because I know how it would pan out. It's a no-brainer. Chief Advisor to a Lame Duck President gets indicted, he'll be pardoned before the Judge gets the verdict from the Jury. The whole thing is an exercise in futility.


good point. what are the odds on a Scooter pardon?

[RedStatePaPa]

I have no mercy for any political hack
LOL. What a crock.

[gdoane]

good point. what are the odds on a Scooter pardon?

Not good since there's not going to be a Scooter conviction.

[H-minus]

I have no mercy for any political hackSo you are saying you are now anti-Democratic Party...:think:

[Flakey Foont]

So you are saying you are now anti-Democratic Party...:think:

Apparently you have mistaken me for a political hack. I have no more loyalty to democrats than I do republicans, their all crooked bastards betraying the country for the price of a retirement package. My pre-occupation with slamming republicans is due to their constant harping about holding the high moral ground, when in fact they are just as bad as or worse than the DNC

[Flakey Foont]

Not good since there's not going to be a Scooter conviction.

Fitzgerald has a good conviction rate, he destroyed George Ryan
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060417ryantrial,0,4525779.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea

[gdoane]

Fitzgerald has a good conviction rate, he destroyed George Ryan
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060417ryantrial,0,4525779.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea

That jury had to deliberate for 11 days which means he didn't make that good of a case. Fitz is a moron, incompetent at best and if he were any good he wouldn't be working for the government. Government always goes low bid and always gets incompetents who couldn't hack it in the real world.

[Dreamy]

So, I would just like to Say Rove has not yet been indicted.

:p

:clap: Such a misleading thread title. Mislead by a liberal. Lied to by a liberal. Reader beware.

[biggestal]

That jury had to deliberate for 11 days which means he didn't make that good of a case.

I was a complicated case with a lot of counts.

[gdoane]

I was a complicated case with a lot of counts.

It was just a bribery case. He sold State Drivers Licenses to crooks for cash and took kickbacks from companies awarded State Contracts. That is NOT a complicated case. His crony Warner had $3 Million extra dollars he couldn't account for on a State Employee's salary. That's a slam-dunk! The man's hands were in the cookie jar and that IDIOT Fitzgerald made it into a complicated case because he's not competent.

A first-year law student could have gotten a conviction out of that with basic math. Tell the jury that a State Employee working for ten years at $75,000 per year would have $750,000 at best, not $3,000,000 and they'll probably believe that.

Complete and utter incompetence. Fitz is a moron.

[H-minus]

Apparently you have mistaken me for a political hack. I have no more loyalty to democrats than I do republicans, their all crooked bastards betraying the country for the price of a retirement package. My pre-occupation with slamming republicans is due to their constant harping about holding the high moral ground, when in fact they are just as bad as or worse than the DNCWell, this is a new wrinkle.

When did you come up with this one Flakey? :think:

[Sallow]

Well, this is a new wrinkle.

When did you come up with this one Flakey? :think:

Basically..he doesn't.

I have read many of his posts..

He doesn't like charlatans..and they come from every background.

[H-minus]

Basically..he doesn't.

I have read many of his posts..

He doesn't like charlatans..and they come from every background.How Flakey has changed, who would have thought it? :think:

BTW, did you see the game last night?

Couldn't believe Wagner blew a 4 run lead.

[Sallow]

How Flakey has changed, who would have thought it? :think:

BTW, did you see the game last night?

Couldn't believe Wagner blew a 4 run lead.

Life sucks sometimes..

[H-minus]

Only for Met fans.

[DiveCon]

Basically..he doesn't.

I have read many of his posts..

He doesn't like charlatans..and they come from every background.

REALLY :eek:

he liked John Kerry

[express]

Sallow wrote:
He doesn't like charlatans..and they come from every background.

Let's put it to the test...

I wonder if Mr. Foont would care to comment on this charlatan:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/21/D8HOCUJ81.html

[cyph3r7]

gotta love these whacko websites and the shills who shotgun the kool aid.

All the news thats fit to fabricate.

[scavengerspc]

gotta love these whacko websites and the shills who shotgun the kool aid.

All the news thats fit to fabricate.

Speaking of, how would you rate newsmax cyph?

Dave

[cyph3r7]

Speaking of, how would you rate newsmax cyph?

Dave

dunno...I have never visited the site...ever. I hear it is a right wingnut site.

Was there a point to your post? Not sure what that has to do with this thread....

[scavengerspc]

dunno...I have never visited the site...ever. I hear it is a right wingnut site.

Was there a point to your post? Not sure what that has to do with this thread....

?

Really? Its in my quote. You had mentioned wacky websites. You cant get to much wackier than NM.

Dave

[DiveCon]

?

Really? Its in my quote. You had mentioned wacky websites. You cant get to much wackier than NM.

Dave

i trust them about as much as i do the NY Times ;)



which is, not much

[NightTrain]

You cant get to much wackier than NM.

Dave
Um... Yes you can...

They're mostly wakko lib sites...

Sorry you can't recognize that...

[GregMartin]

Bigcorn Lied,
Fitzmas died.

[scavengerspc]

i trust them about as much as i do the NY Times ;)



which is, not much

Im no big fan of the NYT either.


Dave

[express]

Sallow wrote:
Quote:
He doesn't like charlatans..and they come from every background.

Let's try putting it to the test... Again...

I wonder if Mr. Foont would care to comment on this charlatan:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/21/D8HOCUJ81.html

[H-minus]

This just in:

Karl Rove still not indicted!

[Xena]

Drat!

[H-minus]

Still not!

[Karl Christian Rove]

News to me.

[DarthBush]

5/22/2006 8:24am

Was Rove indicted yet?

:))

[homiebrah]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

Class, can you say OWND? I think you can.

Nice work, Al. This one goes into the archives.

Now we know why you are on the bench.

:)) :)) :))

[H-minus]

UPDATE:

Rove STILL not indicted!

Confused democrats and trial lawyers baffled!

[cyph3r7]

Merry Fitzmas

[markd]

UPDATE:

Rove STILL not indicted!

Confused democrats and trial lawyers baffled!

EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET IT RIGHT.
THEN YOU'LL BE SORRY!!


:mrgreen:

[GregMartin]

Rove is home for Fitzmas
Libs can not believe
Work by Joe
was s'posed to grow
into their guilty plea
Fitzmas won't be coming
where the jail birds sing
Rove is home for Fitzmas
but libtards still can dream...

[DiveCon]

EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET IT RIGHT.
THEN YOU'LL BE SORRY!!


:mrgreen:

yeah, you can always dream huh
:rolleyes:

[H-minus]

This is hot news:

Rove still not indicted!

[Vaard]

This is hot news:

Rove still not indicted!


well according to "republican logic" used on these boards........

this sounds like something he COULD do so probably did do it......

now, i dont agree with that view, but hard to aergue with that "republican logic"......

[H-minus]

Vaard, you will be interested in the latest, hot off the presses!

Rove still not indicted!

[Vaard]

Vaard, you will be interested in the latest, hot off the presses!

Rove still not indicted!

i never thought he was......

see.... unlike you, i dont believe every story i read just because i WANT it to be true........

you should try it sometime.......

[H-minus]

More news Vaard...

Rove still not indicted!

[GregMartin]

How bout now?

[H-minus]

Nope, still not.

[eaglewings]

You mean it's not Fitzmas yet? Damn, how can you not trust a criminal former drug addict to give you the truth about what's going on in an Independent Prosecutor's Office?

[moderateD]

You mean it's not Fitzmas yet? Damn, how can you not trust a criminal former drug addict to give you the truth about what's going on in an Independent Prosecutor's Office?What does Rush have to do with this? Is there an indictment in the future or not? Is all the hubub because the indictment did not happen as soon as he said it would or is Rove exonerated? I cannot seem to get a straight answer anywhere.

[Y2Bogus]

Fitzmas fizzled. Fitzentine's day never happened. St Fitzrick's day went by the wayside.

The next hope for dems who are more interested in bringing down a presidential advisor than they are in fighting terrorists, is Fitzmorial Day. When that doesn't happen, they can try the Fitz of July.

[H-minus]

As I close down for the day, this just in:

Rove not indicted!

[GregMartin]

Yet?

[DiveCon]

no fitzmas yet

[gdoane]

Fitzy Claus doesn't show up if Rove stays awake.

[misterfine]

All this posturing seems a little silly to me, since you'll all just completely dismiss any indictments as irrelevant/partisan if and when they do come.

[DiveCon]

All this posturing seems a little silly to me, since you'll all just completely dismiss any indictments as irrelevant/partisan if and when they do come.

oh come on

your side has been claiming this was gonna happen for the last year and a half
and it STILL hasnt happened
do you REALLY believe it will?

[misterfine]

oh come on

your side has been claiming this was gonna happen for the last year and a half
and it STILL hasnt happened
do you REALLY believe it will?

Considering he's just recently met with a grand jury for the fifth time, I'd say the possibility still remains.

[DiveCon]

Considering he's just recently met with a grand jury for the fifth time, I'd say the possibility still remains.

keep dreaming

fitzmas is coming, it really is ;)

[misterfine]

keep dreaming

fitzmas is coming, it really is ;)

Like I said, your posturing might be more interesting to me if I didn't know you'll totally waffle if/when Rove gets indicted.

The "he's totally innocent, so he won't get indicted, but if he does get indicted, it doesn't mean anything, and really, even if he gets convicted he's still totally innocent" line of argument leaves something to be desired.

[DiveCon]

Like I said, your posturing might be more interesting to me if I didn't know you'll totally waffle if/when Rove gets indicted.

The "he's totally innocent, so he won't get indicted, but if he does get indicted, it doesn't mean anything, and really, even if he gets convicted he's still totally innocent" line of argument leaves something to be desired.

show how little you know
while it IS possible for him to be indicted, the odds on it at thius point are pretty slim
fitz case against Libby is shaky as it is
i'm still waiting to find out if Plame was really covert
i believe that she wasnt
thus, the investigation was, to determine IF a crime had been commited, should have addressed that status
once it was determined that she either didnt or did qualify as covert(highly unlikely) then the investigation should have ended, or charges should have been pressed for outing her
that hasnt happened

[Flakey Foont]

show how little you know
while it IS possible for him to be indicted, the odds on it at thius point are pretty slim
fitz case against Libby is shaky as it is
i'm still waiting to find out if Plame was really covert
i believe that she wasnt
thus, the investigation was, to determine IF a crime had been commited, should have addressed that status
once it was determined that she either didnt or did qualify as covert(highly unlikely) then the investigation should have ended, or charges should have been pressed for outing her
that hasnt happened
fitz case against Libby is shaky as it is

If you could back that up, you may have a point

Isn't it reasonable to assume that if people are actively obstructing justice, it would impair the investigation?

[skipjack]

Like I said, your posturing might be more interesting to me if I didn't know you'll totally waffle if/when Rove gets indicted.

The "he's totally innocent, so he won't get indicted, but if he does get indicted, it doesn't mean anything, and really, even if he gets convicted he's still totally innocent" line of argument leaves something to be desired.

and the posturing of "he's got to be guilty if he's met with them 5 times" is different how?

Oh..i forgot..you're a liberal and think your arguments are fool proof ;)

Skip

[H-minus]

This one is hot:

Rove still not indicted!

[GregMartin]

Rove indicted
Rove must be indicted. Bicorn said he was. Surely bigcornstool is not a liar.

alas, I fear:

Bicorn lied,
Fitzmas died.

[misterfine]

and the posturing of "he's got to be guilty if he's met with them 5 times" is different how?

Oh..i forgot..you're a liberal and think your arguments are fool proof ;)

Skip

I don't think he's guilty for sure.

Notice how I'm not all over the place saying he'll be indicted.

All the people that are saying "No indictments yet!" can easily be made to look like fools tomorrow. And as I've said, if/when he's indicted, they'll all just change their stories to "bias!"

[H-minus]

I don't think he's guilty for sure.

Notice how I'm not all over the place saying he'll be indicted.

All the people that are saying "No indictments yet!" can easily be made to look like fools tomorrow. And as I've said, if/when he's indicted, they'll all just change their stories to "bias!"If he had been indicted, we wouldn't be doing this, we are mocking the liberal's side's incessent habit of posting their 'feelings' as fact.

[misterfine]

If he had been indicted, we wouldn't be doing this, we are mocking the liberal's side's incessent habit of posting their 'feelings' as fact.

I understand that -- and if and when he's cleared of charges (or at least assuredly not going to be indicted), I would say have at it.

However, as his legal status is at best uncertain it seems equally hasty in judgment.

[H-minus]

I understand that -- and if and when he's cleared of charges (or at least assuredly not going to be indicted), I would say have at it.

However, as his legal status is at best uncertain it seems equally hasty in judgment.Like tide and time, topical humor waits for no man.

[misterfine]

Like tide and time, topical humor waits for no man.

Hah. Well said.

[GregMartin]

And still the fact remains,

Bigcorn lied
Fitzmas died

[homiebrah]

I don't think he's guilty for sure.

Notice how I'm not all over the place saying he'll be indicted.

All the people that are saying "No indictments yet!" can easily be made to look like fools tomorrow. And as I've said, if/when he's indicted, they'll all just change their stories to "bias!"

An indictment doesn't mean a hill of beans. Talk when he is either been convicted or exhonorated.

Hanging hopes on an indictment is retarded at best.

[skipjack]

I don't think he's guilty for sure.

Notice how I'm not all over the place saying he'll be indicted.

All the people that are saying "No indictments yet!" can easily be made to look like fools tomorrow. And as I've said, if/when he's indicted, they'll all just change their stories to "bias!"

Perhaps...but UNLIKE you..the word GUILT doesn't cross my lips until an actual CONVICTION. So again..the posturing that you have participated in this post is different how?

Skip

[GregMartin]

Is it fitzmas?

[Y2Bogus]

Not yet. You can try for Fitzgiving.

[H-minus]

Well, another business day in Washington is over...

ROVE NOT INDICTED!

[NightTrain]

Well, another business day in Washington is over...

ROVE NOT INDICTED!
I hear it's Friday... Thats what the libs always say... Friday...

Yep, definitely Friday...

Friday's the day....

On Friday...

[lee66219]

I hear it's Friday... Thats what the libs always say... Friday...

Yep, definitely Friday...

Friday's the day....

On Friday...

Which Friday? Been 27 of them so far and it wasn't one of those.

[NightTrain]

Which Friday? Been 27 of them so far and it wasn't one of those.
Ummm.... The next one... And if not then the one after that...

And so on...

And so on...

;)

[Mary Ellen]

Ah, mmmmm, maybe some should read this.

Wrong About Rove?

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post

I reported yesterday (and if you missed it, start paying attention!) that the liberal Web site Truthout.org was standing by its claim that Karl Rove had been secretly indicted in the CIA leak case, despite strong denials by the White House aide's lawyer and spokesman.

Why the Rove team would lie about information that, if true, was certain to come out soon was never quite clear. More than three dozen mainstream journalists checked on the Truthout report but could not confirm a word of it.

More at

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/05/23/BL2006052300414.html

[DiveCon]

Ah, mmmmm, maybe some should read this.

Wrong About Rove?

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post

I reported yesterday (and if you missed it, start paying attention!) that the liberal Web site Truthout.org was standing by its claim that Karl Rove had been secretly indicted in the CIA leak case, despite strong denials by the White House aide's lawyer and spokesman.

Why the Rove team would lie about information that, if true, was certain to come out soon was never quite clear. More than three dozen mainstream journalists checked on the Truthout report but could not confirm a word of it.

More at

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/05/23/BL2006052300414.html

yes, we know
;)

[gdoane]

I hear it's Friday... Thats what the libs always say... Friday...

Yep, definitely Friday...

Friday's the day....

On Friday...

Friday is now an acronym for "Fitzy's Rove Indictment Day Again Y'all!"

[Dreamy]

Friday is now an acronym for "Fitzy's Rove Indictment Day Again Y'all!"

:)) I like it.

Fitzy's
Rove
Indictment
Day
Again
Y'all

[GregMartin]

Fitzmorial day is comin up. Sposed to be a hotn.

[H-minus]

Only two more days till friday, yet right now...

Rove not indicted!

[GregMartin]

Anybody hear what time Rove was indicted today?

[H-minus]

Not yet.

[GregMartin]

but any second now..... right?


any second now?

[DiveCon]

yes, dont give up hope yet
i'm sure it is imminent

[H-minus]

Soon, but not yet.

[GregMartin]

and now?

[H-minus]

Nope, still not.

Tomorrow for sure!

[DanBlather]

Nope, still not.

Tomorrow for sure!Friday, it is always Friday.

[H-minus]

It was a firday, before it wasn't.

[H-minus]

Only one more day till the big one.

At this time...

Rove still not indicted!

[EdKinOK]

I bet Jason Leopold was a good fit at the LA Times.

[Liability]

What time is it now?

Maybe the indictment got handed up to the Court, earlier, and the special counsel simply forgot to tell the press.

Maybe it's one of them "sealed" indictments, AND the fact of indictment is more highly classified than Plame's secret decoder ring!

That must be it.

[gdoane]

Rove's indictment is on a milk carton with the words "Have You Seen Me?" underneath.

[H-minus]

Still not indicted, but any minute now!

[DiveCon]

Rove's indictment is on a milk carton with the words "Have You Seen Me?" underneath.
ROFLMAO

[Aristophanes]

So Biggestal got bad intelligence huh? Doesn't that mean he should be impeached? Doesn't that also mean that he lied, and intentionally mislead this board for no other reason than to pad his post count? I'm sure if I spent long enough thinking about this, I could come up with some way to prove this makes him a Nazi that doesn't care about black people, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

[H-minus]

This just in:

Still nada!

[McCoyFan]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

More than three dozen mainstream journalists checked on the Truthout report but could not confirm a word of it..


Truthout has backed off...
"The time has now come, however, to issue a partial apology to our readership for this story. While we paid very careful attention to the sourcing on this story, we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle. In moving as quickly as we did, we caused more confusion than clarity. And that was a disservice to our readership and we regret it.".


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/05/23/BL2006052300414.html

[DiveCon]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/05/23/BL2006052300414.html

:)):)):)):))

[EdKinOK]

Has he been indicted yet? I was in the restroom; thought I might have missed the announcement.

[H-minus]

Nope, not yet, tomorrow is the big day!

[Liability]

I think the question might not be "Was Rove indicted, yet?"

He must have been. It was printed by a lib with the word "truth" as part of the web address.

So, I'm guessing the question now is not "whether" or "when" but,

"HOW OFTEN has Rove been indicted?"

[H-minus]

Ok, its friday!

What, still not indicted??!?

[Liability]

Ok, its friday!

What, still not indicted??!?

Wrong question, Falls.

See prior post.

:twisted:

[H-minus]

Well, if its been so many times, they must have documents!

No?

Pictures?

Nada?

Surely they have witnesses who were there when he was!

Still no???

[DanBlather]

195,000 webpages are reporting that Rove was indeed indicted... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22karl+rove+indicted%22&btnG=Google+Search

So it must be true !!!

Sombody needs to get the TRUTH OUT.

[Liability]

Well, if its been so many times, they must have documents!

No?

Pictures?

Nada?

Surely they have witnesses who were there when he was!

Still no???

See B. S. is preparing -- er -- prepared to release the


memo.

[McCoyFan]

The Internet Search for the Rove “Indictment”



It has now been more than a week since the website Truthout.org reported that top White House aide Karl Rove has been indicted in the CIA leak investigation.

...more than 200 hours have passed since the 24-hour deadline which Leopold says Fitzgerald gave to Rove

....time had passed without confirmation-appears to be without foundation.

What this latest round of Internet theorizing shows is that there are ....those people will suspend their critical faculties to accept almost any scenario that supports their belief.


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjYwZWJmNDkwZTJhODhjNWZjYWM4ZmY4YTM2MmY3MTM=


might find in truthout if that republican relative serving in iraq ever voted for kerry because of the "gay" issue

[H-minus]

See B. S. is preparing -- er -- prepared to release the


memo.Actually, I will watch the ABC report, they will have it following the Hastertt investigation.

[NightTrain]

See B. S. is preparing -- er -- prepared to release the


memo.
It's all typed up and ready to go...

[H-minus]

The memo is a fake, but the story is true Mary told me.

[DiveCon]

It's all typed up and ready to go...

is it at the Kinkos in TX still? :pray:

[NightTrain]

The memo is a fake, but the story is true Mary told me.
It's the seriousness of the charge, remember...

[GregMartin]

SURELY TODAY??!??!??!

[H-minus]

Any second now!!

[CrusaderFrank]

Brian Ross is doing a story on it!

He spoke to someone, (now here's the tricky part), they were either "high" or "high up" at the Daily Kos, and they half-hinted that someone overheard a snippet of a conversation involving a "blockbuster story" where the names "Rove, Plame and Indictment” were mentioned. Well, it was either "Rove, Plane & Indictment" or the guy had to go to Blockbuster and rent "Toy Story" and "Planes, Trains & Automobiles" Whatever. The Story Runs!

Rove Indicted!
by Brian Ross
May 26,2006

If the following story is true, it's explosive! I just learned that Rove will be indicted for blowing up the levees, and he outed Plame too!

[H-minus]

I hear he had a gun battle on Capital today, resisting arrest!

[FidelisAdMortem]

I heard Biggestal was indicted.

[H-minus]

For outting Rove's plot?

[CrusaderFrank]

I hear he had a gun battle on Capital today, resisting arrest!

That's gotta get him a Purple Heart and a free trip to Cambodia at Christmas.

[H-minus]

That's gotta get him a Purple Heart and a free trip to Cambodia at Christmas.Or a hunting trip with Cheney...:think:

[GregMartin]

They must be deliberating all the charges...

[GregMartin]

Did I miss it?

[DiveCon]

no fitzmas yet

[NightTrain]

Friday's almost over too...

[Liability]

I'll be home for Fitzmas.

You can count on me.

there'll be trials for show

and indictments, you know;

they're surely on their way....

[DiveCon]

next friday fur sur

[FidelisAdMortem]

Al told me indictment coming down sunday on fox news broadcast channel right after the simpsons.

[Mr. M]

next friday fur sur

Tsk,tsk! Unbeliever!

The new story from Truthout? Rove IS indicted (it's sealed of course!) but he's rolling on Cheney. Well that's what we believe!
Further - and again this is "What We Believe" - Rove may be turning state's evidence. We suspect that the scope of Fitzgerald's investigation may have broadened - clearly to Cheney - and according to one "off the record source" to individuals and events not directly related to the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame. We believe that the indictment which does exist against Karl Rove is sealed. Finally, we believe that there is currently a great deal of activity in the Plame investigation

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/

But it must be true. Will Pitt's source for the indictment story was....

JOE WILSON!

You could have asked. I would have gladly explained the inside sourcing that I cannot reveal publicly. I would have told you. Happily. I would have explained how Joseph Wilson independently verified a half dozen other sources, none of whom are connected. We had a guy **deleted**.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/15/33446/1501

Sorry for the source... it's a tangled web we read. Particularly a thread that leads to KOS for a source.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Rumor has it indictment coming down on pay per view tonight during the UFC fight.

[express]

Is it soup yet?

[gdoane]

Is it soup yet?

The bigger question is do Grand Juries get overtime pay? This Grand Jury about to hand down the indictment *any minute now* has been hard at work for about two years now and missing the Friday deadline over a hundred times.

Last time I got jury duty pay I laughed at the check and tossed it in the trash. It would have cost me more in my valuable time than it was worth to cash it. It wasn't even a half-hour's pay at my day job. It was an insult to my intelligence that the idiots spent the 32 cents to mail that joke to me.

[GregMartin]

It was a Sunday indictment


... right?

Am I right?

[TCR84]

Maybe a 'Holiday' indictment???

[Lord of Mirrors]

The bigger question is do Grand Juries get overtime pay? This Grand Jury about to hand down the indictment *any minute now* has been hard at work for about two years now and missing the Friday deadline over a hundred times.

Last time I got jury duty pay I laughed at the check and tossed it in the trash. It would have cost me more in my valuable time than it was worth to cash it. It wasn't even a half-hour's pay at my day job. It was an insult to my intelligence that the idiots spent the 32 cents to mail that joke to me.I used to make a habit of using the long form and "backing into the figures" to get those $1 income tax refund checks from the IRS..... Just for the laughs....

I framed them!

[H-minus]

Is it in yet???

[RedStatePaPa]

Is it in yet???
It would give Memorial Day a whole new meaning to the leftwits.

[H-minus]

I wish they had given a year in the OP< this could take awhile...:think:

[DiveCon]

no fitzmas yet
maybe next friday

[H-minus]

Any minute now...wait for it...

[DiveCon]

should we put in the order for the carvel ice cream cake?

[Flakey Foont]

Any minute now...wait for it...


Whether rove gets his hide tacked to the wall by Fitzgerald is not as relevant as the fact that he will get it tacked to the wall by somebody. Being a rat for 40 years writes a lot of bad checks that will be cashed sooner or later. I'm just surprised that self proclaimed conservatives are actually defending a slimy political hack in the first place

[gdoane]

Whether rove gets his hide tacked to the wall by Fitzgerald is not as relevant as the fact that he will get it tacked to the wall by somebody. Being a rat for 40 years writes a lot of bad checks that will be cashed sooner or later. I'm just surprised that self proclaimed conservatives are actually defending a slimy political hack in the first place

Nobody's defending any slimy political hack. Everybody is laughing at the complete and utter incompetence of the Democrats to be able to make soup out of anything at all when that's the only strategy they've got.

Democrats have historically won through the courts vile things that they'd never win by a referendum. Abortion rights, endandered species act covering stupid flies in Hawaii, ending logging because of some stupid Mexican Spotted Owl who probably doesn't have a green card anyway, just all KINDS of liberal stupidities.

That's why it's such a joyful thing to see the litigation process fail to work for Democrats again and again. One of the first goals in totally disempowering the Democrats was an attack on the Judicial System which they've abused over the years to get things done their way and now it's all falling apart.

I'm loving it. Democrats do their vile little manipulation of the court system like they usually do when things don't go their way so a liberal judge can give them "justice" but now it doesn't work anymore. We've broken that toy. Democrats knew we were going to do it too, that's why all the desperation to stop Bush43 Judicial nominations.

It's about time that the Republicans have finally removed the liberals from their vile stranglehold on lopsided justice.

Decade after gloomy decade, Conservatives have seen common sense tossed by the wayside by liberal judges who tell us we must print ballots in Spanish for the voters too damned stupid to learn English, that we must allow alcoholics to claim a "disability", that "navigable waterways" include marshy fields that can't be drained lest a mosquito lose a habitat, and a slew of other stupidity too long to mention.

But Mr. Big is "Roe vs. Wade" and seeing that liberals have lost their sway in the courts means it's just a matter of time before we can start jailing any doctors who perform abortions and the courts will back us.

The days of courts rubberstamping any Democrat's complaint about what Conservatives do are coming to an end and it's going to be a glorious America where we can once again have Spotted Owl Soup without a Democrat whining about it to a stupid sympathetic liberal court.

[Flakey Foont]

Nobody's defending any slimy political hack. Everybody is laughing at the complete and utter incompetence of the Democrats to be able to make soup out of anything at all when that's the only strategy they've got.

Democrats have historically won through the courts vile things that they'd never win by a referendum. Abortion rights, endandered species act covering stupid flies in Hawaii, ending logging because of some stupid Mexican Spotted Owl who probably doesn't have a green card anyway, just all KINDS of liberal stupidities.

That's why it's such a joyful thing to see the litigation process fail to work for Democrats again and again. One of the first goals in totally disempowering the Democrats was an attack on the Judicial System which they've abused over the years to get things done their way and now it's all falling apart.

I'm loving it. Democrats do their vile little manipulation of the court system like they usually do when things don't go their way so a liberal judge can give them "justice" but now it doesn't work anymore. We've broken that toy. Democrats knew we were going to do it too, that's why all the desperation to stop Bush43 Judicial nominations.

It's about time that the Republicans have finally removed the liberals from their vile stranglehold on lopsided justice.

Decade after gloomy decade, Conservatives have seen common sense tossed by the wayside by liberal judges who tell us we must print ballots in Spanish for the voters too damned stupid to learn English, that we must allow alcoholics to claim a "disability", that "navigable waterways" include marshy fields that can't be drained lest a mosquito lose a habitat, and a slew of other stupidity too long to mention.

But Mr. Big is "Roe vs. Wade" and seeing that liberals have lost their sway in the courts means it's just a matter of time before we can start jailing any doctors who perform abortions and the courts will back us.

The days of courts rubberstamping any Democrat's complaint about what Conservatives do are coming to an end and it's going to be a glorious America where we can once again have Spotted Owl Soup without a Democrat whining about it to a stupid sympathetic liberal court.

I'm going to guess that you are implying that the DOJ is controlled by the Democrats, is that correct? The fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald has a clean record and a good record for putting political hacks behind bars, trying to demonize him and associate his investigation with green peace initiatives is an act of desperation

[GrimVader]

I'm just surprised that self proclaimed conservatives are actually defending a slimy political hack in the first place
Why do we defend Rove? Honestly? Well, partly because he's a very gifted political strategist, but mainly because he irks the living **** out of the left.

Seriously, few things are more entertaining that watching the Dems spin into a tizzy at the mere mention of KKKarl.

[gdoane]

I'm going to guess that you are implying that the DOJ is controlled by the Democrats, is that correct? The fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald has a clean record and a good record for putting political hacks behind bars, trying to demonize him and associate his investigation with green peace initiatives is an act of desperation

Political hackery does not violate any law. So you're saying that Fitzy has a record of prosecuting people who haven't done anything wrong.

Another thing that is absolutely hilarious is that while the Democrats are selectively outraged that Rove "outted" Valerie Plame who was serving undercover where? Was she SPYING on Washington, D.C. for the CIA covertly? She wasn't even undercover, but the hypocrisy and the hilarity kicks in when you've got Democrats all upset about the "cost to national security" when standing right among the rest of the Dems in the Senate is "Leaky" Leahy (D-Depends Diapers).

Speaking of Senator Leahy, do you know those "warrantless wiretaps" the Democrats are all up in arms about? Guess who cosponsored the 1994 bill requiring all telephone carriers to make their networks easy to tap by the government?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/19/125324.shtml


Friday, May 19, 2006 12:49 a.m. EDT

Pat "Leaky" Leahy Aided NSA Phone Taps

In 1994 Sen. Pat "Leaky" Leahy co-wrote a law that forced telecommunications carriers to build convenient wiretap features into their networks enabling the kind of telephone records collection now at the heart of the controversy over the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance operation.

In recent days Leahy has called the NSA's actions troubling and potentially illegal - saying they show that the Bush administration is treating Americans like terrorists.

I love the smell of selectively outraged hypocrisy in the morning. Smells like victory.

[Horab]

Why do we defend Rove? Honestly? Well, partly because he's a very gifted political strategist, but mainly because he irks the living **** out of the left.

Seriously, few things are more entertaining that watching the Dems spin into a tizzy at the mere mention of KKKarl.

You speak the truth.

It has now been more than a week since the website Truthout.org reported that top White House aide Karl Rove has been indicted in the CIA leak investigation. According to the scenario described by Truthout writer Jason Leopold, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent the better part of a day and night on Friday, May 12 with Rove and Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, at the Washington offices of Patton Boggs, where Luskin is a partner. In a radio interview last week, Leopold said, “there were plea negotiations going on that were ultimately rejected outright, [and] at the end of this marathon session Karl Rove was given an envelope which had the indictment in it and was told he had 24 hours to get his affairs in order.”


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjYwZWJmNDkwZTJhODhjNWZjYWM4ZmY4YTM2MmY3MTM=

If they hope hope hope it might just come true.

[express]

Flakey wrote:
Whether rove gets his hide tacked to the wall by Fitzgerald is not as relevant as the fact that he will get it tacked to the wall by somebody. Being a rat for 40 years writes a lot of bad checks that will be cashed sooner or later. I'm just surprised that self proclaimed conservatives are actually defending a slimy political hack in the first place

Grand jury proceedings, irrelevant?
Where did you learn about the bad checks, is Chuck Schumer running credit reports again? :))

[Flakey Foont]

Why do we defend Rove? Honestly? Well, partly because he's a very gifted political strategist, but mainly because he irks the living **** out of the left.

Seriously, few things are more entertaining that watching the Dems spin into a tizzy at the mere mention of KKKarl.


Well somone has to carry on the sorid tradition of Donald Sigretti and Lee Atwa ter, so I suppose the stooge is Rove

[Josey]

So you're saying that Fitzy has a record of prosecuting people who haven't done anything wrong.


Don't just say things to further the arguement. Try to have honest arguements ok? Anyone can see that's not what he said at all.
I wouldn't waste my time arguing with this idiot that apparently likes to put words in your mouth. It seems he has no interest in truth whatsoever.
Let him flame someone else. Not worth the energy.

[Flakey Foont]

Flakey wrote:


Grand jury proceedings, irrelevant?
Where did you learn about the bad checks, is Chuck Schumer running credit reports again? :))

Edmund Muskie, George McGovern, John McCain, John Kerry, do you see a pattern here?