Rove indicted.

[Lord of Mirrors]

Don't just say things to further the arguement. Try to have honest arguements ok? Anyone can see that's not what he said at all.
I wouldn't waste my time arguing with this idiot that apparently likes to put words in your mouth. It seems he has no interest in truth whatsoever.
Let him flame someone else. Not worth the energy.The "idiot" you quoted is a moderator here.... And if you read his post in context you would get what he's saying....

Welcome to the board, btw...

[Flakey Foont]

Political hackery does not violate any law. So you're saying that Fitzy has a record of prosecuting people who haven't done anything wrong.

Another thing that is absolutely hilarious is that while the Democrats are selectively outraged that Rove "outted" Valerie Plame who was serving undercover where? Was she SPYING on Washington, D.C. for the CIA covertly? She wasn't even undercover, but the hypocrisy and the hilarity kicks in when you've got Democrats all upset about the "cost to national security" when standing right among the rest of the Dems in the Senate is "Leaky" Leahy (D-Depends Diapers).

Speaking of Senator Leahy, do you know those "warrantless wiretaps" the Democrats are all up in arms about? Guess who cosponsored the 1994 bill requiring all telephone carriers to make their networks easy to tap by the government?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/19/125324.shtml


Friday, May 19, 2006 12:49 a.m. EDT

Pat "Leaky" Leahy Aided NSA Phone Taps

In 1994 Sen. Pat "Leaky" Leahy co-wrote a law that forced telecommunications carriers to build convenient wiretap features into their networks enabling the kind of telephone records collection now at the heart of the controversy over the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance operation.

In recent days Leahy has called the NSA's actions troubling and potentially illegal - saying they show that the Bush administration is treating Americans like terrorists.

I love the smell of selectively outraged hypocrisy in the morning. Smells like victory.
Valerie Plame who was serving undercover where?

You have no idea what her real status was, or you're the leaker

[express]

http://re2.mm-b1.yimg.com/image/478470746
Somewhere Toto,
there's a grand jury
whose critical thinking skills
aren't so bogged down by reality.

[gdoane]

Edmund Muskie, George McGovern, John McCain, John Kerry, do you see a pattern here?

Yep. All those crooks have an even number of letters in their first names.

[gdoane]

You have no idea what her real status was, or you're the leaker

She was in Washington D.C.
The CIA is not authorized to act undercover in the United States of America.
Therefore, there are no undercover CIA Agents on US Soil.

I know what her status was. CIA. INCONUS. Not undercover. The FBI is authorized to act in the USA. The CIA is not.

[Y2Bogus]

It's now been 3 weeks since the indictment and the media still refuses to acknowledge it. What a bunch of rightwing bushbots!

[DiveCon]

She was in Washington D.C.
The CIA is not authorized to act undercover in the United States of America.
Therefore, there are no undercover CIA Agents on US Soil.

I know what her status was. CIA. INCONUS. Not undercover. The FBI is authorized to act in the USA. The CIA is not.

now don't go using facts with flakey, you know that only confuses him

[Lord of Mirrors]

now don't go using facts with flakey, you know that only confuses himNo it doesn't.

He's adapted, learned to ignore the pesky little things, like cows ignore flies....

[homiebrah]

Bumping this for Al to comment on. The cowpie still looks fresh on his shoe.

:)

[DiveCon]

Bumping this for Al to comment on. The cowpie still looks fresh on his shoe.

:)

in his defense, he has
he admitted he took a story from an unreliable source
and he will not trust that source again
;)

[Flakey Foont]

Yep. All those crooks have an even number of letters in their first names.


All Vets smeared by the rat rove

[Flakey Foont]

She was in Washington D.C.
The CIA is not authorized to act undercover in the United States of America.
Therefore, there are no undercover CIA Agents on US Soil.

I know what her status was. CIA. INCONUS. Not undercover. The FBI is authorized to act in the USA. The CIA is not.


there are no phone taps on anybody but terrorist too

[Flakey Foont]

now don't go using facts with flakey, you know that only confuses him


I'm not the one claiming to know what the CIA is up to, for alleged conservatives you guys sure do have faith in the government

[Gray]

there are no phone taps on anybody but terrorist too

Pretty easy to sit back and spew one liners...huh? Others put thought into their posts. You ought to try it.

[DiveCon]

All Vets smeared by the rat rove

Muskie?
rove wasnt even around when he retired
get a grip FOOL

[Lord of Mirrors]

he will not trust that source again
;)People with half a brain know not to ever trust it to start with...

[Flakey Foont]

Muskie?
rove wasnt even around when he retired
get a grip FOOL


Now I know you are blindly defending the rat. He was a member of the dirty tricks unit under Lee At water and Donald Segretti, look it up

[DiveCon]

Now I know you are blindly defending the rat. He was a member of the dirty tricks unit under Lee At water and Donald Segretti, look it up

look idiot
the DNC has and does dirty tricks too
they did NOTHING your leaders havent done
and so far, i have NEVER heard of a dead person voting for a republican
you want to bring up dirty stuff
fine
lets bring up all the DNC ****heads

and BTW idiot, dirty politics still isnt illegal
if it was, your team would be facing far more jail time

[Flakey Foont]

Pretty easy to sit back and spew one liners...huh? Others put thought into their posts. You ought to try it.

The defense of Rove contains nothing but one-liners and they are a pathetic testament to the failed republican elitist ideology that is currently on a downhill slide into oblivion. Face the facts you and your fellow Bush worshippers have backed a bait and switch liberal who will enjoy a legacy of big liberal spending habits, neo-colonial nation building and cronyism, get used to it.

Is that better?

[DiveCon]

The defense of Rove contains nothing but one-liners and they are a pathetic testament to the failed republican elitist ideology that is currently on a downhill slide into oblivion. Face the facts you and your fellow Bush worshippers have backed a bait and switch liberal who will enjoy a legacy of big liberal spending habits, neo-colonial nation building and cronyism, get used to it.

Is that better?

i know you are but what am i

LOL
thats all you said
IDIOT

[Flakey Foont]

look idiot
the DNC has and does dirty tricks too
they did NOTHING your leaders havent done
and so far, i have NEVER heard of a dead person voting for a republican
you want to bring up dirty stuff
fine
lets bring up all the DNC ****heads

and BTW idiot, dirty politics still isnt illegal
if it was, your team would be facing far more jail time


I suppose this is your response to me proving you to be in left field in regard to Roves resume and in turn proving that you have been blindly defending a slimy political hack while knowing nothing of his background, but hey, that's exactly what Rove wants you to do, so you get a star.

Sniveling that democrats do it too is a diversion from the OP and again dismisses Roves long history of dirty tricks he learned as a CREEP

[Lord of Mirrors]

The defense of Rove contains nothing but one-liners and they are a pathetic testament to the failed republican elitist ideology that is currently on a downhill slide into oblivion. Face the facts you and your fellow Bush worshippers have backed a bait and switch liberal who will enjoy a legacy of big liberal spending habits, neo-colonial nation building and cronyism, get used to it.

Is that better?Perfectly done mindless parroting of DNC talking points!

Congrats!

[Lord of Mirrors]

Sniveling that democrats do it too is a diversion from the OP and again dismisses Roves long history of dirty tricks he learned as a CREEPThe OP was a lie, stupid.

The rest has just been rubbing salt into that wound. And it's killing you.

See my thumb? Gee you're dumb.

[DiveCon]

I suppose this is your response to me proving you to be in left field in regard to Roves resume and in turn proving that you have been blindly defending a slimy political hack while knowing nothing of his background, but hey, that's exactly what Rove wants you to do, so you get a star.

Sniveling that democrats do it too is a diversion from the OP and again dismisses Roves long history of dirty tricks he learned as a CREEP

again, playing dirty politics is not a crime
if it was all your leadership would be behind bars
you justr dont like that he KICKS YOUR COLECTIVE ASSES

[Gray]

The defense of Rove contains nothing but one-liners and they are a pathetic testament to the failed republican elitist ideology that is currently on a downhill slide into oblivion. Face the facts you and your fellow Bush worshippers have backed a bait and switch liberal who will enjoy a legacy of big liberal spending habits, neo-colonial nation building and cronyism, get used to it.

Is that better?

Rove needs defending? For what? Being a brilliant strategist?

[upsetmom]

Poor libbies.

they think Rove should be arrested for pointing out that they're losers.

:))

[Flakey Foont]

again, playing dirty politics is not a crime
if it was all your leadership would be behind bars
you justr dont like that he KICKS YOUR COLECTIVE ASSES


I have never said they were illegal, I said that roves record will catch up with him, be it by Fitzgerald or someone else. As far as rove kicking anyone’s collective ass, that would be Americans in general, he is kicking OUR collective asses you have just ingested so much rovean propaganda you can't see the difference, in other words your paradigm is askew

[gdoane]

there are no phone taps on anybody but terrorist too

Would you mind explaining to me what your objection is to phone taps? Keep in mind that I happen to know as a matter of fact that you will post your opinions on a board hosted by a national conservative talk radio show so please, don't plead shy.

I'm trying hard to think of any phonecons that I've had in the past year which would embarass me were it disclosed and I can't come up with one. Let alone one which could get me convicted of a crime worse than ordering a cheese-crust pizza delivered to my house.

Please do be general, but I would be interested in knowing what sort of phone conversations you believe should be kept from prosecutorial scrutiny. I can't think of any.

Everybody should be prosecuted for every bad thing they do. Escaping prosecution is not an enumerated right. In fact, it's a duty of government to make sure that everybody who does something bad pays for their vile misdeeds.

Tap every phone. I've got no problem with that. Put GPS locator chips in every person while we're at it. Criminals are creatures of opportunity. Remove that opportunity and criminals evaporate like water on a ready frying skillet.

I don't care if anybody is listening to my phone. I hope they pack a lunch. My cell phone clocked a total of 20 minutes last month. So, anybody listening in was listening for 43,000 minutes and got 20 minutes of goods on me which would include a call to my mom, a call to a videogame store and a call to my brother.

Any of those could result in me being as NOT indicted as Karl Rove. Go ahead and listen to me. Waste your time. I know my government is stupid, and they could prove it by listening to every stupid thing I say.

[Gray]

I have never said they were illegal, I said that roves record will catch up with him, be it by Fitzgerald or someone else.

You seem to be admitting that Fitzgerald is a crooked political hack...

after all.....

If Rove's actiona are not illegal as you seem to admit, then the only way Fitzgerald can get him is through a dishonest indictment.

[Flakey Foont]

Rove needs defending? For what? Being a brilliant strategist?


He is brilliant, anyone who could get Bush elected would have to be, but the thing about brilliant political hacks is that they think they're smarter than everyone else and that leads to their downfall

[upsetmom]

reminds me of the guy who stood up at the presser for Rumsfeld and said he was "afraid of his government".

Standing in a room with secret service guys with guns, running down the President and the guy 4 feet away from him at the podium, and he's "afraid"?

The irony escapes the left that they can say such things....... so earnestly ~ and so wrong.

[homiebrah]

I suppose this is your response to me proving you to be in left field in regard to Roves resume and in turn proving that you have been blindly defending a slimy political hack while knowing nothing of his background, but hey, that's exactly what Rove wants you to do, so you get a star.

Sniveling that democrats do it too is a diversion from the OP and again dismisses Roves long history of dirty tricks he learned as a CREEP

You were s aying something about a diversion from the OP? Last I checked, Rove hasn't been indicted. Take Rove's resume and pattern yours after it.

[upsetmom]

the thing about brilliant political hacks is that they think they're smarter than everyone else and that leads to their downfall

kinda like clinton and gore and kerry, eh?


:))

[Flakey Foont]

You seem to be admitting that Fitzgerald is a crooked political hack...

after all.....

If Rove's actiona are not illegal as you seem to admit, then the only way Fitzgerald can get him is through a dishonest indictment.


Well you could try to twist my previous statements in a pathetic attempt to discredit what I have posted in an even weaker attempt to stroke your ego; however, the fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald is a serious customer and he will tack Roves hide to a wall given the opportunity

[Lord of Mirrors]

attempt to discredit what I have posted You need no help there. You do it very nicely on your own.

[homiebrah]

Well you could try to twist my previous statements in a pathetic attempt to discredit what I have posted in an even weaker attempt to stroke your ego; however, the fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald is a serious customer and he will tack Roves hide to a wall given the opportunity

He's had how many years?

[upsetmom]

Fitzgerald is a serious customer and he will tack Roves hide to a wall given the opportunity

really? Like, f'rinstance, using a law which didn't exist at the time of the supposed "crime"?

and "shopping" for a grand jury to indict?

those "tacks" are pulling out, though.............

[Gray]

however, the fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald is a serious customer and he will tack Roves hide to a wall given the opportunity

Perhaps it would serve the American people better if he (Fitzgerald) were to stick to enforcing the law.

[Dreamy]

He is brilliant, anyone who could get Bush elected would have to be, but the thing about brilliant political hacks is that they think they're smarter than everyone else and that leads to their downfall

I am no brilliant political strategist and I could whip the clueless left. lol

The left got snookered when the Rove indicted on Monday lie was offered up to the lefty feeding frenzy. Still no frog march losers.:mrgreen:

Now how many faux scandals has the left been snookered about over the last 5 years?

[NightTrain]

the fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald is a serious customer and he will tack Roves hide to a wall given the opportunity

When he doesn't, the libs will throw him under the bus and call him an unAmerican traitor (or some such insult)...

Mark my words....

[Flakey Foont]

You need no help there. You do it very nicely on your own.

And yet you need to clip a piece of what I have posted in a desperate attempt to gain some sort of bizarre adolescent "one up-man-ship" on me. So what does that say about you?

[Lord of Mirrors]

And yet you need to clip a piece of what I have posted in a desperate attempt to gain some sort of bizarre adolescent "one up-man-ship" on me. So what does that say about you?It was the only thing I have ever seen you post, that had some modicum of factual basis. Abliet not the fact you thought...

[Flakey Foont]

Would you mind explaining to me what your objection is to phone taps? Keep in mind that I happen to know as a matter of fact that you will post your opinions on a board hosted by a national conservative talk radio show so please, don't plead shy.

I'm trying hard to think of any phonecons that I've had in the past year which would embarass me were it disclosed and I can't come up with one. Let alone one which could get me convicted of a crime worse than ordering a cheese-crust pizza delivered to my house.

Please do be general, but I would be interested in knowing what sort of phone conversations you believe should be kept from prosecutorial scrutiny. I can't think of any.

Everybody should be prosecuted for every bad thing they do. Escaping prosecution is not an enumerated right. In fact, it's a duty of government to make sure that everybody who does something bad pays for their vile misdeeds.

Tap every phone. I've got no problem with that. Put GPS locator chips in every person while we're at it. Criminals are creatures of opportunity. Remove that opportunity and criminals evaporate like water on a ready frying skillet.

I don't care if anybody is listening to my phone. I hope they pack a lunch. My cell phone clocked a total of 20 minutes last month. So, anybody listening in was listening for 43,000 minutes and got 20 minutes of goods on me which would include a call to my mom, a call to a videogame store and a call to my brother.

Any of those could result in me being as NOT indicted as Karl Rove. Go ahead and listen to me. Waste your time. I know my government is stupid, and they could prove it by listening to every stupid thing I say.

Would it be reasonable to state that privacy is a fundamental element of democracy? The specific content of a conversation in regard to tapping ordinary citizens is irrelevant. The issue here is when to say enough government intervention in our lives is enough.

[Flakey Foont]

really? Like, f'rinstance, using a law which didn't exist at the time of the supposed "crime"?

and "shopping" for a grand jury to indict?

those "tacks" are pulling out, though.............


Tell it to george Ryan

[DiveCon]

Tell it to george Ryan

THIS George Ryan?
http://www.suntimes.com/output/ryan/cst-nws-ryan183.html

seems he did a little more than political dirty tricks

[gdoane]

Would it be reasonable to state that privacy is a fundamental element of democracy?

No, it would not be reasonable. The word "Privacy" appears not even once in the United States Constitution and besides, this is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.

The specific content of a conversation in regard to tapping ordinary citizens is irrelevant.

Then it doesn't matter if they do or don't. It's a don't-care. That's what irrelevant means. So there's no objections?

The issue here is when to say enough government intervention in our lives is enough.

When it's to catch a criminal or a terrorist, when it's for public safety and nabbing bad guys, it's never going too far.

[upsetmom]

Tell it to george Ryan

why should I talk about fitzy's Rove obsession and his poor handling of it ~with the former governor of Illinois?

[Flakey Foont]

why should I talk about fitzy's Rove obsession and his poor handling of it ~with the former governor of Illinois?

Ryan made the mistake of underestimating Fitzgerald also

[Flakey Foont]

No, it would not be reasonable. The word "Privacy" appears not even once in the United States Constitution and besides, this is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.



Then it doesn't matter if they do or don't. It's a don't-care. That's what irrelevant means. So there's no objections?



When it's to catch a criminal or a terrorist, when it's for public safety and nabbing bad guys, it's never going too far.
When it's to catch a criminal or a terrorist, when it's for public safety and nabbing bad guys, it's never going too far.
Does the same argument hold for disarming the populace? Isn't anyone with a gun a potential terrorist?
No, it would not be reasonable. The word "Privacy" appears not even once in the United States Constitution and besides, this is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.

Ok, how about saying privacy is a general provision of freedom?

[H-minus]

Whether rove gets his hide tacked to the wall by Fitzgerald is not as relevant as the fact that he will get it tacked to the wall by somebody. Being a rat for 40 years writes a lot of bad checks that will be cashed sooner or later. I'm just surprised that self proclaimed conservatives are actually defending a slimy political hack in the first placeI didn't mention Clinton at all!

[gdoane]

Does the same argument hold for disarming the populace? Isn't anyone with a gun a potential terrorist?

Nope, every armed citizen is a THREAT to a potential terrorist. Look where the terrorists of 9-11 struck. Northeastern United States, where the strictest gun control is, and aboard aircraft, where no one is allowed to carry a gun.

The United States would be a safer country if the entire population, except for convicted criminals, were required to carry sidearms. You'd see the criminal recidivism rate drop like a rock. You'd likely see some criminals drop like a rock too.

Ok, how about saying privacy is a general provision of freedom?

No, it's not. Like many liberals, you have a tendency to confuse freedom with a lack of accountability. The problem with privacy is that it become a refuge for scoundrels. A good example would be Bill Clinton and his reprehensible behavior with "that woman, Miss Lewinsky" because liberals were quick to point out that it's "private".

Abortion is another good example of a claim of "privacy" being a refuge of scoundrels. A woman who gets an abortion doesn't go out and brag about it because she's a scoundrel and she knows that what she did was despicable and shameful. That's why they claim privacy: their sole purpose in doing so is to avoid the shame and scorn which would come their way were they held accountable for the evil they've done.

With rights come responsibilities. Yes, you have a right to own a gun. If you shoot somebody then you'd best stick around and explain yourself. If you don't have a damned good reason for what you did then you shall be accountable. Yes, you have a right to own a car. If you hit somebody with it then you'd best stick around and explain yourself and be held to account.

It's not really a difficult concept but it's one which liberals cannot or will not grasp. Freedoms exist ONLY when responsibility comes as a part of the package. Trying to use some intellectually vacant "right to privacy" as a refuge of scoundrels evading the responsibility aspect of freedoms is a non-starter as an argument because nothing is blameless in this world.

Do you know when this idiocy started? I do. It was the "War On Poverty" when liberals took responsibility for poverty from the poor. We're not supposed to blame poverty on the poor, even though it's their damned fault. We're supposed to blame the rich for the poor being poor, aka "The Rich Get Richer and the Poor get Poorer" which is nothing but evading responsibility and blame-gaming.

Liberals are 100% predictable if you only ask yourself "What would a worm avoiding responsibility do??"

[GregMartin]

Sure hope I didn't miss it....

[H-minus]

Is he indicted yet???

[GregMartin]

Bigcorn says he was.
It must be true.

[H-minus]

Yeah?

What time???

[NightTrain]

I heard Friday...

[H-minus]

Again?

Its ALWAYS a friday.

[NightTrain]

Again?

Its ALWAYS a friday.
Well the libs are sticking with the "he's gonna be indicted" fallacy... They might as well be consistant and stay with Friday...

[H-minus]

Will it be delivered by Friday, the guy that helped Robinson Crusoe, on a friday? :think:

[NightTrain]

Will it be delivered by Friday, the guy that helped Robinson Crusoe, on a friday? :think:
Hmmm... Maybe thats what they meant...

[H-minus]

Will it happen at a TGIF resteraunt?

[Flakey Foont]

Nope, every armed citizen is a THREAT to a potential terrorist. Look where the terrorists of 9-11 struck. Northeastern United States, where the strictest gun control is, and aboard aircraft, where no one is allowed to carry a gun.

The United States would be a safer country if the entire population, except for convicted criminals, were required to carry sidearms. You'd see the criminal recidivism rate drop like a rock. You'd likely see some criminals drop like a rock too.



No, it's not. Like many liberals, you have a tendency to confuse freedom with a lack of accountability. The problem with privacy is that it become a refuge for scoundrels. A good example would be Bill Clinton and his reprehensible behavior with "that woman, Miss Lewinsky" because liberals were quick to point out that it's "private".

Abortion is another good example of a claim of "privacy" being a refuge of scoundrels. A woman who gets an abortion doesn't go out and brag about it because she's a scoundrel and she knows that what she did was despicable and shameful. That's why they claim privacy: their sole purpose in doing so is to avoid the shame and scorn which would come their way were they held accountable for the evil they've done.

With rights come responsibilities. Yes, you have a right to own a gun. If you shoot somebody then you'd best stick around and explain yourself. If you don't have a damned good reason for what you did then you shall be accountable. Yes, you have a right to own a car. If you hit somebody with it then you'd best stick around and explain yourself and be held to account.

It's not really a difficult concept but it's one which liberals cannot or will not grasp. Freedoms exist ONLY when responsibility comes as a part of the package. Trying to use some intellectually vacant "right to privacy" as a refuge of scoundrels evading the responsibility aspect of freedoms is a non-starter as an argument because nothing is blameless in this world.

Do you know when this idiocy started? I do. It was the "War On Poverty" when liberals took responsibility for poverty from the poor. We're not supposed to blame poverty on the poor, even though it's their damned fault. We're supposed to blame the rich for the poor being poor, aka "The Rich Get Richer and the Poor get Poorer" which is nothing but evading responsibility and blame-gaming.

Liberals are 100% predictable if you only ask yourself "What would a worm avoiding responsibility do??"

Didn't the war on poverty end when Clinton signed PRWORA?

Since you don't believe in privacy or the framers concern with it, is it reasonable to amend or get rid of the fourth amendment? If probable cause is not a definition of the right to privacy what is?

[upsetmom]

Ryan made the mistake of underestimating Fitzgerald also

so he did his job correctly, once.

it has nothing to do with his bungling of the Rove case.

:rolleyes:

[Seedy]

Are we still waiting for Rove to get indicted?

[Liability]

Are we still waiting for Rove to get indicted?

YES!

'Tis a tragic death-watch like atmosphere here at the HQ of the VRWC.






Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[GregMartin]

noon?

[CrusaderFrank]

Set your VRWC Secret Decoder Ring to Code: "Hannity" and I will transmit some secret documents (to follow) (I regularly hack into the NSA mainframe (I taped every Episode of "24" (I watch Cloie do it, how freaking hard can it be?))) regarding the Fitzy/Rove Thingy.


Secret Transcript, pre Decoded
NSA Transcript
Secret Documents
Re: This whole "Rove Thing"
Secret Classification: Must be at least a "Plame" to view these documents (review by unauthorized persons is punishable by death (only fooling) (I'll bet we had you going there for a second with that whole "Death" thing. Who said the NSA doesn't have a sense of humor? Must be those CIA geeks planting false stories about us again))

Phone call between former VPOTUS (Code name: ManBearPig) and Patrick Fitzgerald (Code name: Fitzy)

ManBearPig: Are you going to see my new movie?

Fitzy: Al, I’m kinda busy here right now.

ManBearPig: Oh right, that whole Rove Frogmarching assignment. How’s it going? How hard can it be to indict Rove, I mean I thought we could indict a ham sandwich?

Fitzy: “Yeah, thanks for reminding me. (End of Call). Listen, I’m going to order lunch from the deli, anyone else hungry?”

[gdoane]

Didn't the war on poverty end when Clinton signed PRWORA?

Heck no, the worthless welfare bastards just moved over to Social Security Disability (OASDI) and continued their fraud over on that program. Amazing how a lifetime on welfare can suddenly give you a bad back when the program goes away. Good thing that bad back gets you Social Security for life, huh?

Welfare queens will take taxpayer money and buy booze and cigarettes with it. Do you think for a moment that those lying vile lazy jackasses won't lie to the government about a bad back for a check in the mail every month? Hell YEAH they'll lie! Why do you think money has been shifted over to the Social Security Disability payments out of the Retirement side every single year since Bill Clinton PRETENDED to "end welfare as we know it"???


Since you don't believe in privacy or the framers concern with it, is it reasonable to amend or get rid of the fourth amendment? If probable cause is not a definition of the right to privacy what is?

Nothing is. That's the point. It doesn't say that there's a right to privacy. It says that there's a right to be secure in your effects, which means that they can't take them away from you without cause. It doesn't mean they can't even see them.

[mmancil]

Are we still waiting for Rove to get indicted?

Any news yet? I heard it could be any minute now.

[cyph3r7]

I hear in Congress that Jefferson is the new code word for Rove

[Lord of Mirrors]

Where's Big Corn? The OP? He reported this, he should be right on top of it!

[cyph3r7]

Where's Big Corn? The OP? He reported this, he should be right on top of it!

he's too busy on another thread lying about a news article....

[mmancil]

Where's Big Corn? The OP? He reported this, he should be right on top of it!

He's too busy burning up the Google servers trying to find more bad news about Rove, Iraq, info for us pro-life kooks, etc...etc...

[DiveCon]

no fitzmas yet

[Horab]

Are we still waiting for Rove to get indicted?

I don't know about us, but some at DU are.

Just between you and me, a couple of them are even beginning to doubt the original story.

Rove's guilty of leaking that name, damnit! Here's another secret: Jefferson has been indited.SHHHHHHHHHH...........

[cyph3r7]

no fitzmas yet

more like a fizzlemas

[mmancil]

more like a fizzlemas

Where's DB when you need him. He always has the right words for moments like these.

[Lord of Mirrors]

Where's DB when you need him. He always has the right words for moments like these.You mean, the right parroted puppeted lines? The right spin? The right talking point to make you feel all better?

He feels your pain....

[DiveCon]

You mean, the right parroted puppeted lines? The right spin? The right talking point to make you feel all better?

He feels your pain....

i think he means DarkBlade
;)

[mmancil]

i think he means DarkBlade
;)

Thanks. That's the man I was referring too.

BUMPITY.

[Lord of Mirrors]

Thanks. That's the man I was referring too.

BUMPITY.Sorry. My bad.

~REBUMP~

[H-minus]

Is he indicted yet?

[gdoane]

It's 10 O'clock. Do you know where your indictment is?

http://www.mindspring.com/~gdoane/_uimages/fitzmas.jpg

[Flakey Foont]

According to an e-mail received from Truthout.org Executive Director Marc Ash, three independent sources have confirmed that attorneys for Karl Rove were handed an indictment late last week.

However, the office of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald would not confirm, deny or comment on its investigation on Truthout’s report. “We know that both Rove’s attorney Robert Luskin and Rove’s spokesman Mark Corallo have categorically denied all key facts we have set forth. We know we have information that directly contradicts Luskin and Corallo’s denials,” Ash wrote in the e-mail—“this is what we believe—Rove may be turning state’s evidence. We suspect that the scope of Fitzgerald’s investigation may have broadened—and clearly to Cheney...”

Prior to these possible new developments, Rove has been asked to testify five times during the grand jury’s “Plamegate” investigation.

The leak investigation, which led to the indictment last year of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, began after administration officials were accused of disclosing Plame's identity as part of a broader White House effort to discredit critics of the administration's justification for the Iraq war. ||

[H-minus]

Rove just emailed me that its the bunk!

[DiveCon]

According to an e-mail received from Truthout.org Executive Director Marc Ash, three independent sources have confirmed that attorneys for Karl Rove were handed an indictment late last week.

However, the office of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald would not confirm, deny or comment on its investigation on Truthout’s report. “We know that both Rove’s attorney Robert Luskin and Rove’s spokesman Mark Corallo have categorically denied all key facts we have set forth. We know we have information that directly contradicts Luskin and Corallo’s denials,” Ash wrote in the e-mail—“this is what we believe—Rove may be turning state’s evidence. We suspect that the scope of Fitzgerald’s investigation may have broadened—and clearly to Cheney...”

Prior to these possible new developments, Rove has been asked to testify five times during the grand jury’s “Plamegate” investigation.

The leak investigation, which led to the indictment last year of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, began after administration officials were accused of disclosing Plame's identity as part of a broader White House effort to discredit critics of the administration's justification for the Iraq war. ||

provide the sources
truthout is still lying

[Flakey Foont]

provide the sources
truthout is still lying


the sniveling rat is spillen his guts to save his misrable hide

[DiveCon]

the sniveling rat is spillen his guts to save his misrable hide

proof?

[Y2Bogus]

They don't need proof, they have truthout!

[H-minus]

the sniveling rat is spillen his guts to save his misrable hideClinton is testifying? :think:

[Flakey Foont]

proof?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/ElaineSupkis/culturelifenewssept/culturelifenewsoct/Rattus-Rovus-small.gif

[express]

http://re2.mm-b1.yimg.com/image/699233033
Jackus Assus

[Y2Bogus]

Sureley you don't need any evidence when you have Leopold breaking the story. A convicted druggie who has been in and out of mental institutions and has been fired from previous news gigs for making up stories.

[Liability]

Sureley you don't need any evidence when you have Leopold breaking the story. A convicted druggie who has been in and out of mental institutions and has been fired from previous news gigs for making up stories.

Well, I hate to be all petulant, but yes. In fact, we DO need some evidence.

And don't call me Shirley.

[upsetmom]

Well, the funny thing is, note the date of the "super-secret decoder ring report"...

Saturday 13 May 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.



...and that bit about "24 business hours" is hysterical...particularly since it originally said simply "24 hours"..........but, oops, nothing happened in 24 hours. So ~ now that nothing has happened in 24 BUSINESS hours, or even the latest episode of "24" ~ I guess the story and the plot has to change once again.........eh?

:)):)):)):)):))

[skprtod914]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

Haven't we already disproven a story about this from that same reporter? Laura Ingraham was saying yesterday that there's been an internet search for Rove's indictment. Clearly, the left-wing bloggers are getting desperate.

[TCR84]

Maybe they're just waiting for the May sweeps to end. Wouldn't want CBS Evening News to be #1 before Katie Couric comes on board...

[CrusaderFrank]

New Halloween Show: "It's the Great Indictment, Charlie Brown!"

Linus and the Libbies spend Halloween in a sincere pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin and Fitzmas, respectively.

Surprise Ending: Linus gets the candy, Libbies get a Scooter.

[Liability]

New Halloween Show: "It's the Great Indictment, Charlie Brown!"

Linus and the Libbies spend Halloween in a sincere pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin and Fitzmas, respectively.

Surprise Ending: Linus gets the candy, Libbies get a Scooter.

Revised Ending for historical accuracy:
Charlie Brown gets rocks. Libs DON'T get Scooter. :cool:

[Flakey Foont]

Revised Ending for historical accuracy:
Charlie Brown gets rocks. Libs DON'T get Scooter. :cool:
It is rather bizarre that you will go out of your way to defend a slimy political hack like Rove, is that a conservative trait?

[Liability]

It is rather bizarre that you will go out of your way to defend a slimy political hack like Rove, is that a conservative trait?

I wonder what it is you imagine you're babbling about?

Why would Mr. Rove need defending?

Has he been formally accused of anything?

Or, perhaps, just making baseless accusations against one's political opponents is just part of your liberoid ideology.

[EdKinOK]

Still no indictment? How could the radical left been so far off base?

[upsetmom]

hmmmmmmmm

is it that liberal schools don't teach math?


Isn't "24 hours" from May 13 ..........May 14th?

Even "24 BUSINESS hours" :)) is .....May 17th"........



< < < < *searching for the indictment* > > > >

nope, no indictment yet.........



poor libbies.

No fitzmas, no great pumpkin, no magic hat.

[Lord of Mirrors]

FoxNews has a Fox News Alert right now on Dayside....

[Lord of Mirrors]

FoxNews has a Fox News Alert right now on Dayside....Not!

Made the libs have a climax and bust a hemerroid getting to their TV though I bet....

Heh

[GregMartin]

hmmmmmmmm

is it that liberal schools don't teach math?


Isn't "24 hours" from May 13 ..........May 14th?

Even "24 BUSINESS hours" :)) is .....May 17th"........



< < < < *searching for the indictment* > > > >

nope, no indictment yet.........



poor libbies.

No fitzmas, no great pumpkin, no magic hat.But what if they're only open for business one hour per week? Hmmmm? Ever think of that, hmmmm?

And what if they're lazy libtard democRats who only work 1/3 of the hours they're open for business? Hmmm?

[DiveCon]

It is rather bizarre that you will go out of your way to defend a slimy political hack like Rove, is that a conservative trait?

i'm sure Mr Rove is really concerned about being called a political hack from a political hack like you

[upsetmom]

But what if they're only open for business one hour per week? Hmmmm? Ever think of that, hmmmm?

And what if they're lazy libtard democRats who only work 1/3 of the hours they're open for business? Hmmm?

OH DANG!

you've caught me out!

AND, WHATIF.........whatif they were using the same clock as the SERIES "24"?

Because THAT would mean 24 WEEKS!


:eek:




oh wait, same as one hour per week.............. d'oh!

[express]

upsetmom wrote:

is it that liberal schools don't teach math?


Isn't "24 hours" from May 13 ..........May 14th?

Even "24 BUSINESS hours" is .....May 17th"........

There's the possibility he may just be a dyslexic math major...
Or maybe an english major who can't add...

[Y2Bogus]

Well, the funny thing is, note the date of the "super-secret decoder ring report"...



...and that bit about "24 business hours" is hysterical...particularly since it originally said simply "24 hours"..........but, oops, nothing happened in 24 hours. So ~ now that nothing has happened in 24 BUSINESS hours, or even the latest episode of "24" ~ I guess the story and the plot has to change once again.........eh?

:)):)):)):)):))

24 Business hours is actually 24 hour long episodes of 24, which translates to one television season or one year. But if it's one business year, that translates into 365 business days.

Now as we all know, 1 business day is 24 business hours, so that translates into 3 days, which means the indictment should come in 2009.

Give or take a few years, since I forgot to factor in federal holidays into the equation.

[NightTrain]

Not in May...

Perhaps in June...




(on a Friday maybe?...:shifty: )

[H-minus]

Friday is almost here!

[NightTrain]

Friday is almost here!
The suspense is killing me!

[H-minus]

Any second, wait for it...wait...

[express]

Flakey wrote:
According to an e-mail received from Truthout.org Executive Director Marc Ash, three independent sources have confirmed that attorneys for Karl Rove were handed an indictment late last week.



http://images.beckett.com/celebriducks/three_stooges/3stooges26.jpg
Three independent sources?

[gdoane]

It is rather bizarre that you will go out of your way to defend a slimy political hack like Rove, is that a conservative trait?

It is rather bizarre that you will go out of your way to attack a person you've never met even casually based solely on liberal mainstream media hit pieces on him.

Look at the story being presented and tell me if it's not RIDICULOUS.

Ambassador Wilson, who has no investigatorial skills to his credit whatsoever, is sent to Nigeria by request from Cheney, a person whom he opposes politically. He accepts the job and does some master sleuthing which involves sipping sweet tea in a 4-star hotel where he finds nothing, which was his intent all along.

The problem I have with believing this is that I'm aware of what I'd tell Al Gore if he'd have asked me for any favors while he was Vice President and my exact words would be GO TO HELL, PINKO. I damned sure wouldn't go to Nigeria for him.

Then, when Ambassador Wilson comes back after his secret investigation, he writes a newpaper article about his supposedly classified CIA mission.

If the Bush Administration wanted Wilson's butt on a platter, they had it then and there. They didn't have to do anything else. Just take the article as People's Evidence Alpha and convict the guy of breaking his security clearance. Wilson goes to Fort Leavenworth prison and nobody says 'boo' about his new Kansas assignment.

But no, the story is that Rove decided to get some "payback" and out the idiot's wife who plays "Agent 99" in some CIA office building in D.C. which blows her supposedly deep cover when she's publically known as the wife of a United States Ambassador.

What enemy is going to be so stupid as to not associate the wife of an Ambassador with the US Government? Her value as an operative was ZERO. The only thing stupider than sending Plame in undercover would be to get Sean Connery for the job just to pretend we've got James Bond and nobody will figure it out.

But no, Rove didn't have the brains to just blow off the dirty traitor Wilson under the Secret FISA Court for taking national security docs and writing a newspaper article sourcing them. That would have been a cakewalk.

I'm supposed to believe that "The Architect" did something so petty as to say "I know your wife is CIA"??

He could have Wilson convicted and put away for disclosing details of a CIA investigation.

He could have Wilson accused of being a spy for Saddam Hussein and make it believable in every way. Wilson sure does act the part.

He could have Wilson investigated for talking to terrorist supporters in an unauthorized capacity in a time of war, TREASON not to put too fine a point on it.

Rove is not an idiot. If he wanted Wilson's butt in a sling, he had a lot of better options than outing his wifes pathetic bureaucratic secretarial job description.

[GregMartin]

It is rather bizarre that you will go out of your way to attack a person you've never met even casually based solely on liberal mainstream media hit pieces on him.

Look at the story being presented and tell me if it's not RIDICULOUS.

Ambassador Wilson, who has no investigatorial skills to his credit whatsoever, is sent to Nigeria by request from Cheney, a person whom he opposes politically. He accepts the job and does some master sleuthing which involves sipping sweet tea in a 4-star hotel where he finds nothing, which was his intent all along.

The problem I have with believing this is that I'm aware of what I'd tell Al Gore if he'd have asked me for any favors while he was Vice President and my exact words would be GO TO HELL, PINKO. I damned sure wouldn't go to Nigeria for him.

Then, when Ambassador Wilson comes back after his secret investigation, he writes a newpaper article about his supposedly classified CIA mission.

If the Bush Administration wanted Wilson's butt on a platter, they had it then and there. They didn't have to do anything else. Just take the article as People's Evidence Alpha and convict the guy of breaking his security clearance. Wilson goes to Fort Leavenworth prison and nobody says 'boo' about his new Kansas assignment.

But no, the story is that Rove decided to get some "payback" and out the idiot's wife who plays "Agent 99" in some CIA office building in D.C. which blows her supposedly deep cover when she's publically known as the wife of a United States Ambassador.

What enemy is going to be so stupid as to not associate the wife of an Ambassador with the US Government? Her value as an operative was ZERO. The only thing stupider than sending Plame in undercover would be to get Sean Connery for the job just to pretend we've got James Bond and nobody will figure it out.

But no, Rove didn't have the brains to just blow off the dirty traitor Wilson under the Secret FISA Court for taking national security docs and writing a newspaper article sourcing them. That would have been a cakewalk.

I'm supposed to believe that "The Architect" did something so petty as to say "I know your wife is CIA"??

He could have Wilson convicted and put away for disclosing details of a CIA investigation.

He could have Wilson accused of being a spy for Saddam Hussein and make it believable in every way. Wilson sure does act the part.

He could have Wilson investigated for talking to terrorist supporters in an unauthorized capacity in a time of war, TREASON not to put too fine a point on it.

Rove is not an idiot. If he wanted Wilson's butt in a sling, he had a lot of better options than outing his wifes pathetic bureaucratic secretarial job description.So, Friday then?

[homiebrah]

June 1st...still no indictment...but, it's hurricane season. There it is, the real culprit. Now Al can try and save some face here. We'll get Fitz to indict Algore's global warming category 1,644,103 hurricane as outing Plame, and the rest of the goon squad can come trumpet how Rove was the real guilty party.

Truthout.org will cover the story as it develops.

[GregMartin]

June 1st...still no indictment...but, it's hurricane season.
So Rove is pretty busy planning hurricanes and blowing up levees

[homiebrah]

So Rove is pretty busy planning hurricanes and blowing up levees

He's got his finger on the button as we speak.

[gdoane]

I wanna make a Karl Rove Music Video.

Tune of "I'm So Excited".

Karl Rove Singing...

Tonight's the night they wanna make it happen
Tonight the liberals want to get Me right.
A grand jury showing liberals some affection,
There's a new indictment every Friday Night!!

I want to scold you, cajole you,
make you look like dummies,
I want to beat you, defeat you,
until you all look crummy.

I just can't get enough,
and if you talk real slow, people know...
I'm not indicted, and I just can't hide it,
I'm about untouchable and I think I like it.

I'm not indicted, and I just can't hide it,
you can dream up the charge but you can't write it.

I'm not indicted, the libs can bite it,
and I know, I know, I know I know they want me.
WANT ME!!
Heeheeeheee!!

[Lord of Mirrors]

Booya Gene!:))

[GregMartin]

I wanna make a Karl Rove Music Video.

Tune of "I'm So Excited".

Karl Rove Singing...

Tonight's the night they wanna make it happen
Tonight the liberals want to get Me right.
A grand jury showing liberals some affection,
There's a new indictment every Friday Night!!

I want to scold you, cajole you,
make you look like dummies,
I want to beat you, defeat you,
until you all look crummy.

I just can't get enough,
and if you talk real slow, people know...
I'm not indicted, and I just can't hide it,
I'm about untouchable and I think I like it.

I'm not indicted, and I just can't hide it,
you can dream up the charge but you can't write it.

I'm not indicted, the libs can bite it,
and I know, I know, I know I know they want me.
WANT ME!!
Heeheeeheee!!


Baaaa haa haa haa haa haaa ha
Hall of fame right there.

[upsetmom]

So Rove is pretty busy planning hurricanes and blowing up levees

apparently that evil genius, Rove, has made N'awlins SINK! THAT'S how he "broke" the levees! So sneaky! Sink "select" portions of the city, based on melanin, of course, and make it easier for the hurricane (personally ordered by Bushco, of COURSE) to breach them. The city floods, and voila! Bushco getsa all kinds of credit for stepping in where the mayor and governor fail! They even have video of the worthless busses! What could go wrong? If they hadn't had satellite, they never would have caught him!

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/31/D8HV2TCO1.html

:))

pure evil genius, I tell you!

[EdKinOK]

Maybe today...

[upsetmom]

Oh WAIT! Maybe they meant the 24th MONTH!

[Baseball Mom]

I predict he will be indicted the same day Kerry releases his military medical records.

[DiveCon]

I predict he will be indicted the same day Kerry releases his military medical records.

THATS what fitzy is waiting for

come libs, push for Kerry to ACTUALLY release his records in a full and open release
so all can see
then fitz can indicte Rove

[mmancil]

I predict he will be indicted the same day Kerry releases his military medical records.

Hey...sKerry has three purple hearts. Betcha didn't know that little known tidbit.

[NightTrain]

It's almost Friday again!...

The liberal anticipation level must be sky high!

[DiveCon]

It's almost Friaday again!...

The liberal anticipation level must be sky high!

Fitzmas eve?

[Thomas603]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

Well, bigg....how does that bait taste? Get that hook out of your jaw yet?

[DiveCon]

Well, bigg....how does that bait taste? Get that hook out of your jaw yet?

no he hasnt
he's doing it again

http://www.hannity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2201514&postcount=161

[Thomas603]

no he hasnt
he's doing it again

http://www.hannity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2201514&postcount=161

Noted, thanks. :)

[mmancil]

Fitzmas eve?

Man....I hope I get that brand new shiney red bike I asked for on Fitzmas day!!

[upsetmom]

did you guys know kerry was in vietnam?

[Flakey Foont]

did you guys know kerry was in vietnam?

Was Rove with him?

[upsetmom]

Was Rove with him?maybe Rove was the secret spy guy who gave kerry the magic hat!

:))

[Flakey Foont]

maybe Rove was the secret spy guy who gave kerry the magic hat!

:))


No he was a freshman CREEP working for Donald Segretti

[DiveCon]

maybe Rove was the secret spy guy who gave kerry the magic hat!

:))

:)):))

ok, that was TOO funny

[express]

upsetmom wrote:
did you guys know kerry was in vietnam?

Yes, but on whose side?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38738

[homiebrah]

Another Friday almost done, and Truthout.org is awfully quiet on an indictment. And so are the usual suspects.

[Liability]

Another Friday almost done, and Truthout.org is awfully quiet on an indictment. And so are the usual suspects.

Ya gotta give 'em a little time, to be fair.

How about, I dunno, say


24 hours?





:whistle:

[tha malcontent™]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

commentary: where is Darkblade when you need him?

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahhaahah

The "I forgot" defense don't work when lying to the feds.

How is that Slice of Humble Pie been Tasting?...

:)

peace...

[pdmike]

did you guys know kerry was in vietnam?

Yes - he was not only there, but he saw combat and was wounded in action. He was awarded five medals: three Purple Hearts, the Bronze Star and the Silver Star.

Why?

[Y2Bogus]

By which side?

[pdmike]

By which side?

Are you, talkin' to ME?

I believe it was the Texas Air National Guard . . . . oh, wait a minute . . . I guess I have my presidential candidates all mixed up.

Never mind.

[Y2Bogus]

Or in England toking a fatty.

[DiveCon]

Yes - he was not only there, but he saw combat and was wounded in action. He was awarded five medals: three Purple Hearts, the Bronze Star and the Silver Star.

Why?

wounded???
i didn't know that when i check my blood glucose it would be considered a "wound" ;)

[homiebrah]

Damn, no late evening indictment.

[DiveCon]

Damn, no late evening indictment.
must be waiting on one of those many "midnight" indictments :whistle:

[gb2004]

I bet biggestal is sorry he started this thread now. :)) :))

[Liability]

This just in.

ROVE INDICTED!

















Bwahahahahahaha! :razz:

Rove indicted. That's funny ****.

Who knew Bigoldal was a comic?

[homiebrah]

Rumor has it Liability's avatar's eyebrow will be indicted to hold over the masses who looked foolish two weeks ago.

[Liability]

Rumor has it Liability's avatar's eyebrow will be indicted to hold over the masses who looked foolish two weeks ago.

My eyebrows need an attorney, now?

This sucketh. Big time!

I blame it all on Rove.

If he were a mensch, he would have had the decency to get his presumably innocent ass indicted just to spare my eyebrows the trouble.

But....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[homiebrah]

My eyebrows need an attorney, now?

This sucketh. Big time!

I blame it all on Rove.

If he were a mensch, he would have had the decency to get his presumably innocent ass indicted just to spare my eyebrows the trouble.

But....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

:))

[GregMartin]

35 minutes. I can just taste it!

[NightTrain]

Another Friday come and gone...

And Rove still walks as a free man...

[Liability]

Another Friday come and gone...

And Rove still walks as a free man...

...And not a hint of a frog march anywhere on the horizon.

What up with THAT?

[mmancil]

...And not a hint of a frog march anywhere on the horizon.

What up with THAT?

It's only 10pm on the West Coast. There's still time!!

[Liability]

It's only 10pm on the West Coast. There's still time!!

Fitzy secretly moved the Grand Jurry to the WEST COAST?

I'm impressed with his determination.

[mmancil]

Fitzy secretly moved the Grand Jurry to the WEST COAST?

I'm impressed with his determination.

Anything for a Rove-roast.

[Liability]

Anything for a Rove-roast.

And not only did he MOVE them, he has them working REAL late hours, too, apparently.

Man. Where do you FIND hard-working solid citizens like that?

Kudos and props to the Fitzy Grand Jurors.

[mmancil]

And not only did he MOVE them, he has them working REAL late hours, too, apparently.

Man. Where do you FIND hard-working solid citizens like that?

Kudos and props to the Fitzy Grand Jurors.

Moveon.org

They have many useless folks just waiting for job opportunities.

[Liability]

Moveon.org

They have many useless folks just waiting for job opportunities.

Jury duty pay! Yeah. When you HAVE no life (like the stooges who reside over at moof-on.urg and the Democrapic Underarm), that must seem like a King's ransom.

No wonder they're so dedicated.

It also explains how Fitzy was able to con them into indicting Scooter: Common sense was never part of the equation.

[Flakey Foont]

Jury duty pay! Yeah. When you HAVE no life (like the stooges who reside over at moof-on.urg and the Democrapic Underarm), that must seem like a King's ransom.

No wonder they're so dedicated.

It also explains how Fitzy was able to con them into indicting Scooter: Common sense was never part of the equation.


fitzgerald "conned" them? Is that the best you have? will that be the sniveling excuse went libby gets sent to prison?

[DiveCon]

fitzgerald "conned" them? Is that the best you have? will that be the sniveling excuse went libby gets sent to prison?

ah, so you've convicted him alrady
nice

[Liability]

fitzgerald "conned" them? Is that the best you have? will that be the sniveling excuse went libby gets sent to prison?

I leave snivveling to you and your ilk.

The "conned" jibe was just that.

Wanted to get the goat of some dullard of a liberoid.

Thanks for jumping right in.

And as an aside, I realize you get all excited at the prospect of Scooter getting convicted, but --

it aint gonna happen.

Or, to put it in terms a mindless liberoid such as yourself can digest:

The exit polls have Kerry winning and Scooter getting convicted!

:razz:

_______________________

Oh, and one more thing, you bombastic simpleton. Since the defendant has the presumption of innocence, it follows that the gubmint (or in this case the "special counsel") is presumed to have gotten it all wrong.

Chew on that for a while. In some instances, life imitates life.

[Flakey Foont]

I leave snivveling to you and your ilk.

The "conned" jibe was just that.

Wanted to get the goat of some dullard of a liberoid.

Thanks for jumping right in.

And as an aside, I realize you get all excited at the prospect of Scooter getting convicted, but --

it aint gonna happen.

Or, to put it in terms a mindless liberoid such as yourself can digest:

The exit polls have Kerry winning and Scooter getting convicted!

:razz:

_______________________

Oh, and one more thing, you bombastic simpleton. Since the defendant has the presumption of innocence, it follows that the gubmint (or in this case the "special counsel") is presumed to have gotten it all wrong.

Chew on that for a while. In some instances, life imitates life.
it aint gonna happen.

1. Take a look at Fitzgeralds track record
2. Take a look at libbys lawyers track records
3. Why have they not be able to dismiss at least one count against libby?

[DiveCon]

1. Take a look at Fitzgeralds track record
2. Take a look at libbys lawyers track records
3. Why have they not be able to dismiss at least one count against libby?

so then, i take it you see Tom Delay as innocent?
since he was able to get some charges dismissed

[Liability]

1. Take a look at Fitzgeralds track record
2. Take a look at libbys lawyers track records
3. Why have they not be able to dismiss at least one count against libby?

1. irrelevant.
2. irrelevant.
3. irrelevant.

[Flakey Foont]

so then, i take it you see Tom Delay as innocent?
since he was able to get some charges dismissed


The charge on Delay that was dropped is still under appeal, however, I see that you need to divert atention away from the fact that Libby's lawyers have yet to get any of his counts ammended or dropped

[Flakey Foont]

1. irrelevant.
2. irrelevant.
3. irrelevant.


Your claim is that the charges are bogus, yet Libby was indicted in October, has some of the best lawyers money can buy, and yet all the original charges are still in place and you view this as irrelevent. Are the charges bogus just because you say so? If they are weak why can't at least one get dismissed?

[withoutfeathers]

1. Take a look at Fitzgeralds track record
2. Take a look at libbys lawyers track records
3. Why have they not be able to dismiss at least one count against libby?Why would Libby want dismissals? There's no book deal in that.

[Gray]

Why would Libby want dismissals? There's no book deal in that.

He doesn't need the money. He did not need the money as a Bush advisor, either. He is very successfull on his own.

[Liability]

Your claim is that the charges are bogus, yet Libby was indicted in October, has some of the best lawyers money can buy, and yet all the original charges are still in place and you view this as irrelevent. Are the charges bogus just because you say so? If they are weak why can't at least one get dismissed?

Your questions are irrelevant because they do not address the point in any meaningful way.

Whether Fitzy has a good track record does not serve to tell anybody anything about the underlying validity of this particular prosecution.

That Mr. Libby's expensive and talented defense attorneys have not gotten any charges dismissed is also not telling. All that means is that there is enough of a factual dispute to go forward and that there is nothing per se impermissible about the charges brought. While some (like myself) might disagree that the charges are properly brought, the fact that the judge did not certainly does not provide reliable information on whether Scooter will end up getting convicted.

As is the case with many of the "questions" you "ask," there is simply no connection between your basic premise and your desired conclusion.

Your ignorant "question" (which you laughably pose as though it had some deep meaningful insiight behind it -- :rolleyes: ) is roughly akin to: "If the Pinto was such a terrible car, how come you still see some on the road, today?"

[withoutfeathers]

He doesn't need the money. He did not need the money as a Bush advisor, either. He is very successfull on his own.Rich people often enjoy obtaining more money, whether they need it or not.

[Flakey Foont]

Your questions are irrelevant because they do not address the point in any meaningful way.

Whether Fitzy has a good track record does not serve to tell anybody anything about the underlying validity of this particular prosecution.

That Mr. Libby's expensive and talented defense attorneys have not gotten any charges dismissed is also not telling. All that means is that there is enough of a factual dispute to go forward and that there is nothing per se impermissible about the charges brought. While some (like myself) might disagree that the charges are properly brought, the fact that the judge did not certainly does not provide reliable information on whether Scooter will end up getting convicted.

As is the case with many of the "questions" you "ask," there is simply no connection between your basic premise and your desired conclusion.

Your ignorant "question" (which you laughably pose as though it had some deep meaningful insiight behind it -- :rolleyes: ) is roughly akin to: "If the Pinto was such a terrible car, how come you still see some on the road, today?"


You are the one insisting the charges are inflated, false, slanted etc. it is not much of a leap to assume that if you are correct then some of the best lawyers in the country should be able to get at least one charge dismissed in the 8 months since the indictment but this hasn't happened. the reason to look at Fitzgerald’s record is because it shows nothing but professional behavior, to imply he has made up charges doesn't fit his profile

[Gray]

Rich people often enjoy obtaining more money, whether they need it or not.

Yes.

Doesn't make much sense wasting time with somthing that pays less, though. If he wants to make more money he would get back to his practice.

[Liability]

You are the one insisting the charges are inflated, false, slanted etc. it is not much of a leap to assume that if you are correct then some of the best lawyers in the country should be able to get at least one charge dismissed in the 8 months since the indictment but this hasn't happened. the reason to look at Fitzgerald’s record is because it shows nothing but professional behavior, to imply he has made up charges doesn't fit his profile

Wrong. Your basic lack of comprehension about the legal system only serves to make it advisible that you refrain from offering your endless cacaphony of silly comments.

It would be massively difficult to damage your reputation for intelligent commentary here since you never demonstrate any such ability.

But what's the point of proving your inadequacy more completely with each post?

Oh, and nobody said that Fitzy "made up" charges. Again, your ignorance is quite amusing, but you really don't have clue one on this topic.

[Flakey Foont]

Wrong. Your basic lack of comprehension about the legal system only serves to make it advisible that you refrain from offering your endless cacaphony of silly comments.

It would be massively difficult to damage your reputation for intelligent commentary here since you never demonstrate any such ability.

But what's the point of proving your inadequacy more completely with each post?

Oh, and nobody said that Fitzy "made up" charges. Again, your ignorance is quite amusing, but you really don't have clue one on this topic.
It also explains how Fitzy was able to con them into indicting Scooter:

Look familiar?

Has it occurred to you that everybody and any body who disagrees with you about anything is either stupid or uninformed? It must be hard to live in a world where everybody sux except you

[Liability]

Look familiar?

of course it looks familiar, you dimwit.

Has it occurred to you that everybody and any body who disagrees with you about anything is either stupid or uninformed? It must be hard to live in a world where everybody sux except you

And had you read further (which I'll bet you did but you wouldn't want to let the truth get in the way), you would have noted that in a post shortly after that one I acknowledged that the conned line was just a jibe. Did you "miss" that? For some reason, I don't believe you did. {http://www.hannity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2208852&postcount=418 and your response TO that post at 419. Sorry to have to expose you with indisputable proof that you lack integrity, but it did seem appropriate.}

Yes. I do believe you DID see it. Wonder why you chose to just ignore it, now? Dishonest, maybe? Why yes. I believe that's exactly who and what you are.

And you're also wrong in your feeble efforts to paint me. YOU may be stupid or an intentional liar, but not everybody who disagrees with me is -- nor have I ever said any such thing. In fact, I have had some of my views altered by intelligent commentary from the opposing side. That certainly doesn't include YOU, of course.

It must suck to have to constantly resort to lies to "make" your points. You are rather pitiable.

[Lord of Mirrors]

YOU may be stupid or an intentional liar, but not everybody who disagrees with me is -- nor have I ever said any such thing. I disagree with Liability often. But I am able to do it honestly, and am able to admit when I'm wrong, as I have many times on this board. He/she has never called me any names. Wonder what the reason for that is?

I'm not out to win actually, I am here to learn/teach as the situation requires.

[withoutfeathers]

Yes.

Doesn't make much sense wasting time with somthing that pays less, though. If he wants to make more money he would get back to his practice.Roughly speaking: How much time do you think Libby "wastes" on this every day? How much time do you think Libby's lawyers are spending on this? Most likely, what's going on now is that a bunch of dirt-paid law clerks are pounding as much citation data as they can get their hands on into the data base that will be used when they start working the case next year.

But, none of that matters since, apparently, neither you nor your flakey friend have a clue as to how the system works.

For reasons known only to themselves, both sides have agreed to a fairly long calendar with the case not coming up before a judge until early next year. If the case proceeds conventionally, the first order of business will be motions. It is at that time, and that time only that a motion for dismissal is normally filed. Basically, there is no one to hear the motion until the case comes up on the court calendar (duh).

Probably, Libby will file, not for the dismissal of one or two charges, but for dismissal of all charges, and possibly, Fitzgerald will be willing to let one or two go to focus on his strongest case. Fitzgerald will probably move for either joining or severance of charges depending on how he thinks the case will go best for him. Libby's lawyer will have an opportunity to make the same motions.

So, in summation: Why no dismissal of charges? Because the case hasn't come up on the court calendar yet... (don't call them idiots...don't call them idiots...don't call them idiots...c'mon withoutfeathers, you can do it...restrain yourself!) ...my friends. (Whew! Almost lost it there.)

[Flakey Foont]

of course it looks familiar, you dimwit.



And had you read further (which I'll bet you did but you wouldn't want to let the truth get in the way), you would have noted that in a post shortly after that one I acknowledged that the conned line was just a jibe. Did you "miss" that? For some reason, I don't believe you did. {http://www.hannity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2208852&postcount=418 and your response TO that post at 419. Sorry to have to expose you with indisputable proof that you lack integrity, but it did seem appropriate.}

Yes. I do believe you DID see it. Wonder why you chose to just ignore it, now? Dishonest, maybe? Why yes. I believe that's exactly who and what you are.

And you're also wrong in your feeble efforts to paint me. YOU may be stupid or an intentional liar, but not everybody who disagrees with me is -- nor have I ever said any such thing. In fact, I have had some of my views altered by intelligent commentary from the opposing side. That certainly doesn't include YOU, of course.

It must suck to have to constantly resort to lies to "make" your points. You are rather pitiable.
I have had some of my views altered by intelligent commentary from the opposing side

I don't believe that for a minute

[Flakey Foont]

Roughly speaking: How much time do you think Libby "wastes" on this every day? How much time do you think Libby's lawyers are spending on this? Most likely, what's going on now is that a bunch of dirt-paid law clerks are pounding as much citation data as they can get their hands on into the data base that will be used when they start working the case next year.

But, none of that matters since, apparently, neither you nor your flakey friend have a clue as to how the system works.

For reasons known only to themselves, both sides have agreed to a fairly long calendar with the case not coming up before a judge until early next year. If the case proceeds conventionally, the first order of business will be motions. It is at that time, and that time only that a motion for dismissal is normally filed. Basically, there is no one to hear the motion until the case comes up on the court calendar (duh).

Probably, Libby will file, not for the dismissal of one or two charges, but for dismissal of all charges, and possibly, Fitzgerald will be willing to let one or two go to focus on his strongest case. Fitzgerald will probably move for either joining or severance of charges depending on how he thinks the case will go best for him. Libby's lawyer will have an opportunity to make the same motions.

So, in summation: Why no dismissal of charges? Because the case hasn't come up on the court calendar yet... (don't call them idiots...don't call them idiots...don't call them idiots...c'mon withoutfeathers, you can do it...restrain yourself!) ...my friends. (Whew! Almost lost it there.)



the first order of business will be motions. It is at that time, and that time only that a motion for dismissal is normally filed

You're a bit behind the ball sport:



Libby asks federal judge to dismiss indictment in CIA leak case
Asha Puttaiah at 9:12 AM ET


[JURIST] Defense lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby [defense profile], former chief of staff for Vice President Cheney, have asked a federal judge to dismiss the case against him, arguing that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald [official website] was improperly appointed to head the investigation in the CIA leak case


http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006_02_24_indexarch.php#114079347328154800

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/opinions/2006/Walton/2005-CR-394~10:51:22~4-27-2006-a.pdf


This is the 1st of three motions filed in the case

[withoutfeathers]

You're a bit behind the ball sport:

Libby asks federal judge to dismiss indictment in CIA leak case
Asha Puttaiah at 9:12 AM ET

[JURIST] Defense lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby [defense profile], former chief of staff for Vice President Cheney, have asked a federal judge to dismiss the case against him, arguing that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald [official website] was improperly appointed to head the investigation in the CIA leak case

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006_02_24_indexarch.php#114079347328154800

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/opinions/2006/Walton/2005-CR-394~10:51:22~4-27-2006-a.pdf (http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/opinions/2006/Walton/2005-CR-394%7E10:51:22%7E4-27-2006-a.pdf)

This is the 1st of three motions filed in the caseI'm going to have to concede to standing corrected here, because these were, in fact, motions for dismissal.

However, these were motions for dismissal on standing, not merit. All the court said was that Fitzgerald had the authority to indict, so the case went on a court calendar.

I acknowledge that I had forgotten about this, and, as I said, this was in fact a "motion for dismissal." But the fact remains that the merit of the charges has not yet been considered. This motion was a strictly technical issue.

[Flakey Foont]

I'm going to have to concede to standing corrected here, because these were, in fact, motions for dismissal.

However, these were motions for dismissal on standing, not merit. All the court said was that Fitzgerald had the authority to indict, so the case went on a court calendar.

I acknowledge that I had forgotten about this, and, as I said, this was in fact a "motion for dismissal." But the fact remains that the merit of the charges has not yet been considered. This motion was a strictly technical issue.
The devils in the details

[Liability]

I don't believe that for a minute

Nobody cares what you believe or don't believe or CLAIM not to believe. You have precisely zero credibility, as I just proved.

You got caught in a lie, Fakey. The evidence is right there. It isn't going away.

You are simply, and now certifiably, nothing but a liar.

Sucks to be you.

[tha malcontent™]

Nobody cares what you believe or don't believe or CLAIM not to believe. You have precisely zero credibility, as I just proved.

You got caught in a lie, Fakey. The evidence is right there. It isn't going away.

You are simply, and now certifiably, nothing but a liar.

Sucks to be you.

LibTrolls are being Owned all over the place these days...

Ownership has it's Priviledges, DL!... ;)

peace...

[Liability]

LibTrolls are being Owned all over the place these days...

Ownership has it's Priviledges, DL!... ;)

peace...

I am opposed to slavery. But I gotta admit it. Fakey has been Pwned to a T. :lol:

And I don't think PG has been out of his shell much since you recently took him to the tool shed.

"How's things?"

[tha malcontent™]

I am opposed to slavery. But I gotta admit it. Fakey has been Pwned to a T. :lol:

And I don't think PG has been out of his shell much since you recently took him to the tool shed.

"How's things?"

PG Actually came on an Conceded Ownership to me...

It's a step in the Right Direction, in Deed.

Things are Well.

You Enjoy that Scotch?...

:)

peace...

[Liability]

PG Actually came on an Conceded Ownership to me...

It's a step in the Right Direction, in Deed.

Things are Well.

You Enjoy that Scotch?...

:)

peace...

Good of PG. The guy has potential, I tell ya.

And I did indeed enjoy slowly sipping that single malt!

And now it's time to take my son out to dinner in some establishment just one grade above Micky D's. I was going to cook for him but this seemed like SUCH a better option -- to both of us.

[tha malcontent™]

Good of PG. The guy has potential, I tell ya.

And I did indeed enjoy slowly sipping that single malt!

And now it's time to take my son out to dinner in some establishment just one grade above Micky D's. I was going to cook for him but this seemed like SUCH a better option -- to both of us.

I can't wait until my Little One is able to go places with "Daddy"...

But at the same time, I don't want today to pass.

:)

peace...

[Liability]

Oh and before I leave for a while --

I noticed that it's Saturday.

Isn't Fitzy convening a special Grand Jury somewhere to vote another indictment against Rove today? (What are we up to, now? Like a hundred or so indictments against Rove?)

Why is this news being embargoed?

[Flakey Foont]

Nobody cares what you believe or don't believe or CLAIM not to believe. You have precisely zero credibility, as I just proved.

You got caught in a lie, Fakey. The evidence is right there. It isn't going away.

You are simply, and now certifiably, nothing but a liar.

Sucks to be you.


Ok, so I am a liar because I quoted you, is that right? I suggest you cut back on whatever you're smoking

[DiveCon]

The charge on Delay that was dropped is still under appeal, however, I see that you need to divert atention away from the fact that Libby's lawyers have yet to get any of his counts ammended or dropped

i see
so Delay getting charges dropped means nothing
but because libby didnt get any charges dropped means something?

no conflict there
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Flakey Foont]

i see
so Delay getting charges dropped means nothing
but because libby didnt get any charges dropped means something?

no conflict there
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


It was your ill-conceived point, which you are still struggling to make. Why don’t you take a break and try it again later?

[tha malcontent™]

It was your ill-conceived point, which you are still struggling to make. Why don’t you take a break and try it again later?

Didn't I have this Asshat on Ignore?...

Reading him is Actually taking Intelligence from me.

:)

peace...

[cyph3r7]

Didn't I have this Asshat on Ignore?...

Reading him is Actually taking Intelligence from me.

:)

peace...

it's that giant sucking sound hat Bush I warned us about.

IMHO Flakey has to be a plant or a DNC employee. No way anyone actually believes the garbage he posts or is so willing to lie about everything.

but hey....there are some whacked out people in this world so you never know, he just may believe his crap

[Flakey Foont]

Didn't I have this Asshat on Ignore?...

Reading him is Actually taking Intelligence from me.

:)

peace...
Reading him is Actually taking Intelligence from me

thanks for the proof

[Flakey Foont]

it's that giant sucking sound hat Bush I warned us about.

IMHO Flakey has to be a plant or a DNC employee. No way anyone actually believes the garbage he posts or is so willing to lie about everything.

but hey....there are some whacked out people in this world so you never know, he just may believe his crap


What have I lied about? feel free to point it out. The crap I don't believe is alleged conservatives blindly defending a political slime ball like Rove

[tha malcontent™]

Remove Flakey Foont from your Ignore List (http://www.hannity.com/forum/profile.php?do=removelist&userlist=ignore&u=12294) ... HELL NO!

Ah... That's more Like it.

PG is at least Mildy Entertaining.

FF is a Tool not Worthy of Acknowledgement.

:)

peace...

[DiveCon]

It was your ill-conceived point, which you are still struggling to make. Why don’t you take a break and try it again later?

the point that you seem to keep missing is that getting charges dropped or not is totally irrelevant to the issue of guilt or innocence


and it was very CLEARLY pointed out to you by Liability

[Lord of Mirrors]

Has the indictment happened yet?

[DiveCon]

Has the indictment happened yet?
the report says friday
the libs will have to wait for Fitzmas eve for a few more days ;)

[Lord of Mirrors]

My goodness.....

This thread is almost a month old, OP being May 13th.

It must suck to be a DemRat tool....

[pdmike]

Rather amusing, the left is again pulling stories out of their backside and claiming they are real.

Rove just scares the hell out of them.

That's right - at least he scares the hell out of this liberal - for exactly the same reason that identify theives, robbers, burglars and all other crooks who operate outside of the law and practice their slime without regard for ethics or common decency scare the hell out of all law abiding people.

[Lord of Mirrors]

That's right - at least he scares the hell out of this liberal - for exactly the same reason that identify theives, robbers, burglars and all other crooks who operate outside of the law and practice their slime without regard for ethics or common decency scare the hell out of all law abiding people.You must have been scared to death of Slick Willie then...

[Dreamy]

You must have been scared to death of Slick Willie then...

:))


No indictment? Whose been telling lies to the libs? :((

[pdmike]

You must have been scared to death of Slick Willie then...

No, because I can understand someone who sneaks out for a little hummer now and then. Not the same thing as ruining other's political careers and lives.

[DiveCon]

That's right - at least he scares the hell out of this liberal - for exactly the same reason that identify theives, robbers, burglars and all other crooks who operate outside of the law and practice their slime without regard for ethics or common decency scare the hell out of all law abiding people.

so, law abiding citizens need to be fearful of law abiding citizens now?
:think:

[pdmike]

And now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go pick up my car which has been at the agency. My left headlight was going out on me and then coming back.
$746.00 to fix it, thank you very much.

And I didn't even get taken out to dinner first . . .

[Lord of Mirrors]

No, because I can understand someone who sneaks out for a little hummer now and then. Not the same thing as ruining other's political careers and lives.You think Bubba didn't do that? You approve of his illegally obtained FBI files on citizens? All of his other shady activities?

Please stop showing yourself to be a partisan shill tool. What has been proven against Rove?

[DiveCon]

No, because I can understand someone who sneaks out for a little hummer now and then. Not the same thing as ruining other's political careers and lives.

then you REALLY should have been scared of Clinton
he had people doing the very same thing


hypocrisy
:naughty:

[Dreamy]

No, because I can understand someone who sneaks out for a little hummer now and then. Not the same thing as ruining other's political careers and lives.

Who did that and how did they do it and to whom did they do it to?

Journalism 101 questions to your statement.

[Lord of Mirrors]

Who did that and how did they do it and to whom did they do it to?

Journalism 101 questions to your statement.Shills and tools don't deal in facts, Dreamy. Just parroted, programmed and puppeted talking points.

[homiebrah]

Another day further from Fitzmas...

[Dreamy]

Shills and tools don't deal in facts, Dreamy. Just parroted, programmed and puppeted talking points.

More baseless charges from the left apparently. Just because their media carries it they think it must be true. Shills and tools for sure. :rolleyes:

[Newtan08]

I wonder when they will realize they have been led on?

[Y2Bogus]

No, because I can understand someone who sneaks out for a little hummer now and then. Not the same thing as ruining other's political careers and lives.


Arkancide

[Dreamy]

I wonder when they will realize they have been led on?

When will they be embarrassed? How many faux charges of pending doom have been levied at this administration by the left and their partners in the media? How many came to fruition?

[Flakey Foont]

the point that you seem to keep missing is that getting charges dropped or not is totally irrelevant to the issue of guilt or innocence


and it was very CLEARLY pointed out to you by Liability
charges dropped or not is totally irrelevant to the issue of guilt or innocence

We aren't talking about guilt or innocence; we are talking about what can be proven in court

[Y2Bogus]

We aren't talking about guilt or innocence; we are talking about what can be proven in court


The essence of liberal ideology.

[Flakey Foont]

When will they be embarrassed? How many faux charges of pending doom have been levied at this administration by the left and their partners in the media? How many came to fruition?
How many faux charges of pending doom have been levied at this administration

Several less than sniveling republicans continue to imply about Clinton

[homiebrah]

Several less than sniveling republicans continue to imply about Clinton

:boohoo:

Cry us a ****ing river, Foont.

[GertBFroeb]

We aren't talking about guilt or innocence; we are talking about what can be proven in court

So finding guilt and innocence is not the focus of the court? :think:

[DiveCon]

We aren't talking about guilt or innocence; we are talking about what can be proven in court

and only guilt can be proven
Innocence is implied
try doing that for a change
you insisted on it for your dem leaders

[withoutfeathers]

The devils in the detailsYes, and the most salient detail is that Lewis Libby has never been convicted of anything, and no court has ever ruled anything on the facts of his case.

[Dreamy]

So finding guilt and innocence is not the focus of the court? :think:

The Dems favorite game is gotcha. Truth and justice? They never even had a handshake in the world of the current day Democrats.

[withoutfeathers]

So finding guilt and innocence is not the focus of the court? :think:Actually, no, it isn't. Courts try facts.

[GertBFroeb]

Actually, no, it isn't. Courts try facts.

Oh, I guess all that guilty and innocent stuff is just on TV.

[withoutfeathers]

Oh, I guess all that guilty and innocent stuff is just on TV.Yeah, pretty much.

Of course I'm being a little pedantic here, but technically, courts don't care a fig about "guilt" or "innocence." Their only purpose is to determine what is fact and what is not. That's their part in the justice system.

The jury will deliberate on the likelyhood of guilt. BTW, if a defendant is found "not guilty" by a jury, that doesn't mean the defendant has been exhonerated, it just means that the defendant cannot be tried again on the same charge.

[Lord of Mirrors]

Several less than sniveling republicans continue to imply about ClintonNo implications, just facts.


http://clintoncrimes.tripod.com/ClintonsBinLadenGateMotherofallScandals/index.html

[pdmike]

Who did that and how did they do it and to whom did they do it to?

Journalism 101 questions to your statement.

For openers, the 1986, Texas, gubernatorial election, Roves "bugged office" - ring any bells?

How about Rathergate? Has Rove all over it - plant a false document and then "discover" that it is false.

Can I prove the second one? Not yet. The first one? Fairly well documented.

Rove is a slimeball, employed by a slimeball, to aid a slimeball, political machine.

[Liability]

Ok, so I am a liar because I quoted you, is that right? I suggest you cut back on whatever you're smoking

No. You're a liar because you intentionally chose to ignore the subsequent post where I acknowledged that my former comment had been merely a jibe.

Your willingness to use the former without even mentioning the latter (which you DID know about, as I proved) says it all. You are dishonest. Period.

End of story.

[Lord of Mirrors]

For openers, the 1986, Texas, gubernatorial election, Roves "bugged office" - ring any bells?

How about Rathergate? Has Rove all over it - plant a false document and then "discover" that it is false.

Can I prove the second one? Not yet. The first one? Fairly well documented.

Rove is a slimeball, employed by a slimeball, to aid a slimeball, political machine.You can't prove any of them. Links? Sources? Facts?

Thought not.

[homiebrah]

For openers, the 1986, Texas, gubernatorial election, Roves "bugged office" - ring any bells?

How about Rathergate? Has Rove all over it - plant a false document and then "discover" that it is false.

Can I prove the second one? Not yet. The first one? Fairly well documented.

Rove is a slimeball, employed by a slimeball, to aid a slimeball, political machine.

PD, you are banned from the use of "slimeball". :lol:

[pdmike]

PD, you are banned from the use of "slimeball". :lol:

Damn! Can't I just have a timeout? (It's my absolute favorite!)

[homiebrah]

Damn! Can't I just have a timeout? (It's my absolute favorite!)

Send you back to that ER where got poked in the eye, or whatever labotomy they did to you there.

:lol:

[DiveCon]

For openers, the 1986, Texas, gubernatorial election, Roves "bugged office" - ring any bells?

How about Rathergate? Has Rove all over it - plant a false document and then "discover" that it is false.

Can I prove the second one? Not yet. The first one? Fairly well documented.

Rove is a slimeball, employed by a slimeball, to aid a slimeball, political machine.

but yet you post ZERO facts to back either up
and do you REALLY want to try and blame Rove for making a DNC opperative make phoney memos at a TX Kinkos?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

get your tin foil hat mike

[Liability]

but yet you post ZERO facts to back either up
and do you REALLY want to try and blame Rove for making a DNC opperative make phoney memos at a TX Kinkos?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

get your tin foil hat mike

Oh, come on, DC. WE'VE said as much. WE even blamed Rove for the extinction of the dinosaurs at one point, if memory serves.

Of course when WE made some of these ridiculous assertions, unlike PD, WE were obviously just joking.

That PD is willing to make baseless charges and be unconcerned with the utter lack of anything to back them up is nothing new for him.

It's just disappointing.

Let me see if I have his new charge down correctly. See B. S. gets a fraudulent "memo" suggesting that President Bush was more or less "AWOL" from his NG duties back in the day. See B. S. and Saint Dan of Rather-Biased fame decide to "go" with this story.

Subsequent investigation (NOT by See B. S.) conclusively establishes that the memo WAS a damn fraud.

And somehow it's Rove's fault.

Yeah. PD has a real handle -- a firm grip -- on that whole "reality" thing.

[GregMartin]

What's all this discussion with the libtards? Don't we realize the most important issue facing this nation today is Did Rove get indicted yet?

[withoutfeathers]

Oh, come on, DC. WE'VE said as much. WE even blamed Rove for the extintion of the dinosaurs at one point, if memory serves.I knew it! I just knew it. The creationists are right: The fossil evidence of dinosaurs was tampered with! This had Rove's fingerprints all over it and I was just too close to it to see the truth!

[GregMartin]

Rove's been alive forever
and Rove wrote the very first song
Rove put the words and the melodies together
Rove is music
and Rove wrote the songs...

[Liability]

Rove's been alive forever
and Rove wrote the very first song
Rove put the words and the melodies together
Rove is music
and Rove wrote the songs...

-- and he wrote some Rock and Roll
so YOU can move ...

Did you know that Rove personally saw to it that Barry Manilow became a star?

truthout.org assures me that it's a "long story."

:mrgreen:

[withoutfeathers]

Don't be dissin' my man Karl --
He was great on American Idol!
http://www.gordonroland.com/images/rockinrove.jpg

[Xena]

WOW! Rove has some great thighs LOL

[Flakey Foont]

So finding guilt and innocence is not the focus of the court? :think:


Is OJ guilty or innocent? how about Clinton?

[Xena]

The terms are guilty or not guilty. Both of the above were guilty.