Ask a Mormon

[RayMan]

Uh.....uh......uh.........:silence:

Sorry pal, thats all I got. :dance:

A day late and a smiley short. Thanks anyhow. And uh, by the way, ignore any posts in the ReconoLodge referencing your name.

[Reeder]

A day late and a smiley short. Thanks anyhow. And uh, by the way, ignore any posts in the ReconoLodge referencing your name.

I saw the link. You can go to Disneyland if you can answer me one question......how many "rides" are there at Disneyland? (careful)

[RayMan]

I saw the link. You can go to Disneyland if you can answer me one question......how many "rides" are there at Disneyland? (careful)

Including or excluding California Adventure?

[Reeder]

Including or excluding California Adventure?

Just Disneyland Park.

[RayMan]

Gonna have to open a spreadsheet for this one. Don't rush me. And we are talking ALL rides not just the ones that aren't closed for maintenance, right?

(I know how you crafty Mormons think.)

[RayMan]

67 rides. Including the Fire Engine and Horse Drawn Streetcars.

[Reeder]

67 rides. Including the Fire Engine and Horse Drawn Streetcars.

Don't say I didn't warn you. :D

There is only one ride - wanna guess which one it is? :dance:

[JenT]

Don't say I didn't warn you. :D

There is only one ride - wanna guess which one it is? :dance:

It's been an HOUR, what?

[RayMan]

Don't say I didn't warn you. :D

There is only one ride - wanna guess which one it is? :dance:

Are you talking about the brand new "Joseph Smith Fun-Time Hayride?"

If not, don't tell me yet. Must mull over past coversations about D_Land.

[RayMan]

Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Teen_Conservative]

Questions all Mormons should ask themselves
1. If Gods are individuals who have passed through mortality and have progressed to Godhood, how has one person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit) attained Godhood without getting a body? (See Acts 5:3,4)


2. If Gods are individuals who have passed through an earth life to attain Godhood, how is it that one person of the Trinity (Jesus Christ) was God before He received a body or passed through earth life? (Matt. 1:23 and Hebrews 10:5)


3. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the Gospel, why does it not teach the doctrine of “eternal progression”? (See D&C 20:8,9)


4. God said, “Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any”. How can there be Gods who are Elohim’s ancestors? Surely an all-knowing God would know this and wouldn’t speak falsehoods. (See Isa. 44:8 and Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 123)


5. How can any men ever become Gods when the Bible says, “Before me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after me”? (Isaiah 43:10)


6. If Adam is the “only God with whom we have to do”, did Adam create himself? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 50, 51)


7. Joseph Smith stated that without the ordinances and authority of the priesthood no man can see the face of God and live (D & C 84:21, 22). He also said that he saw God in 1820 (Joseph Smith 2:17). Joseph Smith, however, never received any priesthood until 1829 (D&C 13). How did he see God and survive? In which was he in error: his revelation in D & C 84:21, 22 or his experience in the grove?


8. If a spirit is a being without a body (See Luke 24:39), why do Mormons teach that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones? (See John 4:24)


9. If the Father is Elohim and Jesus is Jehovah (as the Mormons teach), how does a Mormon explain Deuteronomy 6:4, which in the Hebrew says, “Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah”?


10. If the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the Gospel, why doesn’t it teach that God was once a man?


11. If Mormonism is the restored church, which is based upon the Bible, why are Mormon leaders so quick to state that the Bible is “translated wrong” when faced with some conflict between the Bible and Mormonism?


12. If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, page 50)


13. Why did Christ not return in 1891 as Joseph Smith predicted? (History of the Church, Vol. 2 page 182).


14. Journal of Discourses Vol. 2, page 210 says Jesus was being married to Mary and Martha in Cana. Why then was he INVITED to his own wedding? (John 2:1,2)


15. Why does the Mormon church teach that there is no eternal hell when the Book of Mormon teaches that there is? (I Nephi 14:3, II Ne. 9:16;28: 21-23, Mosiah 3:25, Alma 34:35, Heleman 6:28 and 3:25,26).


16. How can Mormons teach that the repentant thief was not saved when the Book of Mormon states that Paradise is where the righteous go? (Luke 23:43, Alma 40:12, 16)


17. How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a

temple like Solomon’s while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (See I Kings 5:13-18 and II Nephi 5:15-17)


18. If the book of Mormon is true, why hasn’t a valid geography been established for the book?


19. Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in

October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (D & C 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324)


20. If Lehi left Jerusalem before 600 B.C., how did he learn about synagogues? (See II Nephi 26:26)


21. If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to become white when they become Mormons? (II Nephi 30:6 – prior to 1981 revision)


22. What kind of chariots did the Nephites have in 90 B.C. some 1500 years before the introduction of the wheel on the Western Hemisphere? (Alma 18:9)


23. How do Mormons account for the word “church” in the Book of Mormon, about 600 B.C., which was centuries before the beginning of the Church on the day of Pentecost? (I Nephi 4:26)


24. How do Mormons account for the italicized words in the King James Version (indicating their absence in the Hebrew and Greek) being found in the Book of Mormon? (A comparison of Mosiah 14 and Isaiah 53 will provide at least 13 examples)


25. How did the French word “adieu” get into the Book of Mormon? (Jacob 7:27)



http://www.contenderministries.org/mormonism/questions.php

[noelle12]

Are you talking about the brand new "Joseph Smith Fun-Time Hayride?"

If not, don't tell me yet. Must mull over past conversations about D_Land.

I think I've been on that one!

[RayMan]

Questions all Mormons should ask themselves
1. If Gods are individuals who have passed through mortality and have progressed to Godhood, how has one person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit) attained Godhood without getting a body? (See Acts 5:3,4)


2. If Gods are individuals who have passed through an earth life to attain Godhood, how is it that one person of the Trinity (Jesus Christ) was God before He received a body or passed through earth life? (Matt. 1:23 and Hebrews 10:5)


3. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the Gospel, why does it not teach the doctrine of “eternal progression”? (See D&C 20:8,9)


4. God said, “Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any”. How can there be Gods who are Elohim’s ancestors? Surely an all-knowing God would know this and wouldn’t speak falsehoods. (See Isa. 44:8 and Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 123)


5. How can any men ever become Gods when the Bible says, “Before me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after me”? (Isaiah 43:10)


6. If Adam is the “only God with whom we have to do”, did Adam create himself? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 50, 51)


7. Joseph Smith stated that without the ordinances and authority of the priesthood no man can see the face of God and live (D & C 84:21, 22). He also said that he saw God in 1820 (Joseph Smith 2:17). Joseph Smith, however, never received any priesthood until 1829 (D&C 13). How did he see God and survive? In which was he in error: his revelation in D & C 84:21, 22 or his experience in the grove?


8. If a spirit is a being without a body (See Luke 24:39), why do Mormons teach that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones? (See John 4:24)


9. If the Father is Elohim and Jesus is Jehovah (as the Mormons teach), how does a Mormon explain Deuteronomy 6:4, which in the Hebrew says, “Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah”?


10. If the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the Gospel, why doesn’t it teach that God was once a man?


11. If Mormonism is the restored church, which is based upon the Bible, why are Mormon leaders so quick to state that the Bible is “translated wrong” when faced with some conflict between the Bible and Mormonism?


12. If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, page 50)


13. Why did Christ not return in 1891 as Joseph Smith predicted? (History of the Church, Vol. 2 page 182).


14. Journal of Discourses Vol. 2, page 210 says Jesus was being married to Mary and Martha in Cana. Why then was he INVITED to his own wedding? (John 2:1,2)


15. Why does the Mormon church teach that there is no eternal hell when the Book of Mormon teaches that there is? (I Nephi 14:3, II Ne. 9:16;28: 21-23, Mosiah 3:25, Alma 34:35, Heleman 6:28 and 3:25,26).


16. How can Mormons teach that the repentant thief was not saved when the Book of Mormon states that Paradise is where the righteous go? (Luke 23:43, Alma 40:12, 16)


17. How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a

temple like Solomon’s while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (See I Kings 5:13-18 and II Nephi 5:15-17)


18. If the book of Mormon is true, why hasn’t a valid geography been established for the book?


19. Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in

October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (D & C 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324)


20. If Lehi left Jerusalem before 600 B.C., how did he learn about synagogues? (See II Nephi 26:26)


21. If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to become white when they become Mormons? (II Nephi 30:6 – prior to 1981 revision)


22. What kind of chariots did the Nephites have in 90 B.C. some 1500 years before the introduction of the wheel on the Western Hemisphere? (Alma 18:9)


23. How do Mormons account for the word “church” in the Book of Mormon, about 600 B.C., which was centuries before the beginning of the Church on the day of Pentecost? (I Nephi 4:26)


24. How do Mormons account for the italicized words in the King James Version (indicating their absence in the Hebrew and Greek) being found in the Book of Mormon? (A comparison of Mosiah 14 and Isaiah 53 will provide at least 13 examples)


25. How did the French word “adieu” get into the Book of Mormon? (Jacob 7:27)



http://www.contenderministries.org/mormonism/questions.php



Hey TC,
It's called a "discussion board" because you discuss things with people. As opposed to say doing a cut and paste from some anti-Mormon website.
__________________

[RayMan]

I think I've been on that one!

It's super-fun!

[JenT]

Are you talking about the brand new "Joseph Smith Fun-Time Hayride?"

If not, don't tell me yet. Must mull over past coversations about D_Land.


:)) :)) :))

this is why I like you anyway :))

(laughing so hard, whole office is trying to figure out where Hannity.com is)

[JenT]

Hey TC,
It's called a "discussion board" because you discuss things with people. As opposed to say doing a cut and paste from some anti-Mormon website.
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RayMan, did ya have to quote him? oww my eyes

[RayMan]

RayMan, did ya have to quote him? oww my eyes

You need a pair of :cool:

[Teen_Conservative]

Hey TC,
It's called a "discussion board" because you discuss things with people. As opposed to say doing a cut and paste from some anti-Mormon website.
__________________

These are question I have. There are MANY flaws in the Morman belief system, and I want a Morman to answer these questions. Got a problem with that?

[RayMan]

These are question I have. There are MANY flaws in the Morman belief system, and I want a Morman to answer these questions. Got a problem with that?

None at all but your heading was:

"Questions all Mormons should ask themselves"

Not:

"Questions I have for Mormons."

Hardly an opening for a friendly discussion. Will you be straightening the Catholics out next or would you rather explain why we Pentecostals shouldn't speak in tongues?

Have fun.

[HokieCougarVandal]

These are question I have. There are MANY flaws in the Morman belief system, and I want a Morman to answer these questions. Got a problem with that?
I thought this was "Ask a Mormon"?

I don't know about the Morman religion.

[RayMan]

I thought this was "Ask a Mormon"?

I don't know about the Morman religion.

noelle is a Mormaid.

[JenT]

These are question I have. There are MANY flaws in the Morman belief system, and I want a Morman to answer these questions. Got a problem with that?

How long did it take you to write all that? Must have taken a lot of time and thought

[JenT]

3. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the Gospel, why does it not teach the doctrine of “eternal progression”? (See D&C 20:8,9)

Hey RayMan, what is meant by "eternal progression"?

(psssssp, I'm not a Mormon either)

[RayMan]

How long did it take you to write all that? Must have taken a lot of time and thought

It's cut and paste like I said. He references the website he got it from at the bottom of his post. Which you gotta give him props for attributing his source.

[RayMan]

How long did it take you to write all that? Must have taken a lot of time and thought


He will probably post the other 25 or so questions from the website later on.

[HokieCougarVandal]

noelle is a Mormaid.
Having 4 of my own, "maid" doesn't adequately describe what my wife goes through each day.

I try and help as best I can, but apparently, my wife does it better (according to my kids).
:lol:

[RayMan]

Having 4 of my own, "maid" doesn't adequately describe what my wife goes through each day.

I try and help as best I can, but apparently, my wife does it better (according to my kids).
:lol:

Kids always side with mom. It's so unfair.

[HokieCougarVandal]

3. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the Gospel, why does it not teach the doctrine of “eternal progression”? (See D&C 20:8,9)

Hey RayMan, what is meant by "eternal progression"?

(psssssp, I'm not a Mormon either)
Jen,

In a nutshell, it can best be described as continuing education beyond this life. While we will know more after this life, we will not know all. To know all will mean continued instruction at the feet of the Master.

[RayMan]

Jen,

In a nutshell, it can best be described as continuing education beyond this life. While we will know more after this life, we will not know all. To know all will mean continued instruction at the feet of the Master.

Yeah, Hokie pretty much got it right...:whistle:

(Jen - don't whisper in front of the Mormons, they're not blind, you know.)

[JenT]

Jen,

In a nutshell, it can best be described as continuing education beyond this life. While we will know more after this life, we will not know all. To know all will mean continued instruction at the feet of the Master.

I thought you said you weren't a Mormon?

I think in our new bodies we'll just "know" but that's just me

[JenT]

Yeah, Hokie pretty much got it right...:whistle:

(Jen - don't whisper in front of the Mormons, they're not blind, you know.)

I just thought it was funny, Teen Something is probably close to my beliefs and I don't understand the question...:))

[HokieCougarVandal]

Kids always side with mom. It's so unfair.

What's that comedian's shtick? Something like:

Dad goes to work, pays all the bills, invests in the child's future daily, and may even pay for college. The kid gets his 10 seconds of fame on national TV and all you her is, "Hi Mom!"

:rolleyes:

[JenT]

What's that comedian's shtick? Something like:

Dad goes to work, pays all the bills, invests in the child's future daily, and may even pay for college. The kid gets his 10 seconds of fame on national TV and all you her is, "Hi Mom!"

:rolleyes:

That's cause we changed their diapers.

Men don't realize, that bonds us for life.

Kids know they never woulda survived with just dads and 2 years of the same diaper.

[RayMan]

What's that comedian's shtick? Something like:

Dad goes to work, pays all the bills, invests in the child's future daily, and may even pay for college. The kid gets his 10 seconds of fame on national TV and all you her is, "Hi Mom!"

:rolleyes:

I could SO see that happening with my kids. At least they respond back when I say "hi" these days. :rolleyes:

[HokieCougarVandal]

I thought you said you weren't a Mormon?

I am LDS, but if you're referring to this:
I thought this was "Ask a Mormon"?

I don't know about the Morman religion.
I was just being facetious with TC.

[RayMan]

I am LDS, but if you're referring to this:

I was just being facetious with TC.

:))

[Teen_Conservative]

I have a question.

Why is Mormanism right, and Christianity wrong?

[JenT]

I have a question.

Why is Mormanism right, and Christianity wrong?

ooooh oooooh lemme answer this...

[Marleysdaddy]

I have a question.

Why is Mormanism <sic> right, and Christianity wrong?

You have a lot to learn :think:

[JenT]

Teen Conservative, a few pages back I asked them a bunch of questions, and they told me that basically they just believe an angel came down and talked to Joseph Smith and pointed at the Gospels.

So I figure, another witness, cool, long as it's pointing at the Gospels

:)

[RayMan]

I have a question.

Why is Mormanism right, and Christianity wrong?

MormOnism. ;)

It's an "O" dude. Not to be confused with Oprah.

[Marleysdaddy]

ooooh oooooh lemme answer this...

No way Jose :razz:

[RayMan]

No way Jose :razz:

Hey MD,
You want to escort Jen out of the thread please? :cool:

[HokieCougarVandal]

I have a question.

Why is Mormanism right, and Christianity wrong?
Depends on your definition of "right."

We primarily see the difference between our religion and mainstream Christianity as while Christianity has truth, we believe we have the complete truth. Christianity is not "wrong", but we feel we have more to offer.

[JenT]

3. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the Gospel, why does it not teach the doctrine of “eternal progression”? (See D&C 20:8,9)

Hey RayMan, what is meant by "eternal progression"?

(psssssp, I'm not a Mormon either)

Teen Conservative, I apologize for taking your questions lightly. You have some serious questions there and I"m sure the Mormons are happy to answer.

Sorry I got in the way :)

:::::::::::::: :hug: WELCOME TO HANNITY! :hug: :::::::::::::::::

[noelle12]

I go for a walk, and two pages are added to this thread. Do you think that all I have time for is sitting in front of my computer reading Hannity threads?

[noelle12]

That's cause we changed their diapers.

Men don't realize, that bonds us for life.

Kids know they never woulda survived with just dads and 2 years of the same diaper.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[THE LIGHT]

JenT, what did you do with all of your posts?

Lots of deleted posts right after mine... :lol: what was that all about?

[noelle12]

Lots of deleted posts right after mine... :lol: what was that all about?

I know, and I liked your post too.

[hillplus]

Teen Conservative, a few pages back I asked them a bunch of questions, and they told me that basically they just believe an angel came down and talked to Joseph Smith and pointed at the Gospels.

So I figure, another witness, cool, long as it's pointing at the Gospels

:)

It definitely fulfills the law of witnesses. I think to say that it just points to the Bible is an over simplification but one thing it does do is clarify some things. For instance, when Jews and Christians argue about whether things in the OT refer to Jesus Christ as the Messiah, the Book of Mormon clarifies that indeed the OT is speaking of Jesus Christ. That is exciting to me.

[orbitaldecay]

Teen_Conservative,
We Mormons are almost always happy to answer questions. We just don't like when people tell us what we believe. If you have an honest question derived from curiosity we'll be happy to answer. However, if you are telling us what we believe or ask questions derived from trying to prove us wrong, you may not get such a response.
Judging by your questions, you probably have been deceived about what Mormonism is really about. If you sincerly want to learn what Mormonism is really about, feel free to ask us, or go to lds.org (http://lds.org).

[Koushi Shinigami]

Questions



:eh:

Are you truly interested in answers? Or are you just trying to proselytize to Mormons?

[Koushi Shinigami]

Got a problem with that?

The problem I see is with your attitude. Dial it back a bit, be a little courteous and you might get some answers. Keep going the way you are, and you might find yourself outside of this forum looking in.

[JenT]

Lots of deleted posts right after mine... :lol: what was that all about?

how would I know? that happened yesterday.

:))

but I don't think it involved you, wonderman ;)

[Reeder]

Pirates of the Caribbean.

Good guess....but wrong, unfortunately. :mrgreen:

The only "ride" at Disneyland is "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride." Everything else is considered an "attraction." An older gentleman who worked at the Big Thunder Ranch as a Cast Member told me that this past May. I got it wrong, too. :D

[RayMan]

Good guess....but wrong, unfortunately. :mrgreen:

The only "ride" at Disneyland is "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride." Everything else is considered an "attraction." An older gentleman who worked at the Big Thunder Ranch as a Cast Member told me that this past May. I got it wrong, too. :D

You can't trust Big Thunder Ranch Cast Members. They spend way too much time out in the sun. They'll say anything. It's all part of the Crazy Prospector scenario.

[Reeder]

Are you talking about the brand new "Joseph Smith Fun-Time Hayride?"


:))

[Reeder]

You can't trust Big Thunder Ranch Cast Member. They spend way too much time out in the sun. They'll say anything.

Yeah, maybe you're right......but I did get a sticker out of it. :dance:

[Reeder]

Teen_Conservative,
We Mormons are almost always happy to answer questions. We just don't like when people tell us what we believe. If you have an honest question derived from curiosity we'll be happy to answer. However, if you are telling us what we believe or ask questions derived from trying to prove us wrong, you may not get such a response.
Judging by your questions, you probably have been deceived about what Mormonism is really about. If you sincerly want to learn what Mormonism is really about, feel free to ask us, or go to lds.org (http://lds.org).

Oh shoot, I'm in the wrong thread! Now where did that "Ask a MormAn" thread go?

[RayMan]

Oh shoot, I'm in the wrong thread! Now where did that "Ask a MormAn" thread go?

It's on page 6 right between the "Ask A BaBtist" and "Ask A PentAcostal" threads.

[Reeder]

It's on page 6 right between the "Ask A BaBtist" and "Ask A PentAcostal" threads.


:))

Thank you Mr. PentAcostal Poap.

[JenT]

:))

Thank you Mr. PentAcostal Poap.

could be so worse

[RayMan]

could be so worse

Yoda? Is that you?

[JenT]

Yoda? Is that you?

RayMan, I am making HONEST efforts not to crowd you...I think when I see your name I know that's where the laughter is, so...

BACK OFF I was here first :)) :hug:

but I AM trying

[JenT]

whoops, only an hour and a half, but a WHOLE PAGE back :)

[jet]

Yoda? Is that you?

mrrrmmm, could be worse, so is more yodaesque ;)

[noelle12]

It's on page 6 right between the "Ask A BaBtist" and "Ask A PentAcostal" threads.

I thought it was Babdist. That's what the say around these parts anyway.

[RayMan]

I thought it was Babdist. That's what the say around these parts anyway.

How do you guys pronounce Shibboleth? :cool:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

[JenT]

How do you guys pronounce Shibboleth? :cool:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

oooooooooooooooooh, not like you RayMan, ?

[RayMan]

oooooooooooooooooh, not like you RayMan, ?

Oh get a sense of humor.


Like the MormAns and Mormaids. :hug:

And quit derailing this thread. CID is off work today and needs something to do.

[noelle12]

How do you guys pronounce Shibboleth? :cool:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

Around here we never done heard of no fancy lingo like that.

When I moved here two of my favorite words I learned were:
"commode" and "fixin'" as in "I'm fixin' ta use the commode."

[RayMan]

Around here we never done heard of no fancy lingo like that.

When I moved here two of my favorite words I learned were:
"commode" and "fixin'" as in "I'm fixin' ta use the commode."

Wow. A commode. That means indoor plumbing. Nice.

Do folk out there say "kindly" as in, "I kindly think I will be going into town today.?"

[noelle12]

Wow. A commode. That means indoor plumbing. Nice.

Do folk out there say "kindly" as in, "I kindly think I will be going into town today.?"

I haven't heard that one.

[RayMan]

I haven't heard that one.

More of an Oklahoma/Texas thing I guess. "Kindly" takes the place of "kind of."

[JenT]

More of an Oklahoma/Texas thing I guess. "Kindly" takes the place of "kind of."

(psssssp, Californians make this stuff up as we go along)

[RayMan]

(psssssp, Californians make this stuff up as we go along)

:doh:

One last time, Jen. This is the "ASK" A Mormon thread. Not the "Tell" all the Mormons thread.



Sheesh! Next thing I know you will be passing out decoder rings for the ReconoLodge.


So guys. Just ignore her. Too much "Sun-In" over the years.

[CALady]

I have a question.

Why is Mormanism right, and Christianity wrong?

Hi, T_C, I'm a conservative, too. I'm also a Christian. So we have something in common.

If you're a conservative, you can thank the Mormon Church for helping to pass Prop 8 in California, the ban of gay marriage in California, because our church was one of the largest, if not the largest contributor to get it to pass.

I'm a Mormon and a Christian.

You're question above is like asking a man "So when did you stop beating your wife?" It's one of those questions that assumes a truth that isn't true and therefore, there is no reasonable answer.

As to that long list, "What I should ask myself".... believe me, Miss Teen, I'm about 5 decades older than you so I've asked myself so many more questions than that, you have no idea.

Do you want to know what I ask myself everyday?

1) How can I grow to love my Savior more today and be more thankful for all He's given me.
2) How can I be more patient and loving with my family.
3) How can I be more patient with people who ask questions assuming something about my faith that shows they know absolutely nothing about my faith.

[Koushi Shinigami]

You must be getting a lot of practice on #3, here.

[CALady]

You must be getting a lot of practice on #3, here.

LOL!

Practice yes.

Perfection, no.

I still have to take a deep breath, count to 10, sometimes 100...

[noelle12]

:doh:

One last time, Jen. This is the "ASK" A Mormon thread. Not the "Tell" all the Mormons thread.



Sheesh! Next thing I know you will be passing out decoder rings for the ReconoLodge.


So guys. Just ignore her. Too much "Sun-In" over the years.

I could use a decoder ring if you have an extra one.

[Reeder]

Good to see you, CALady! Been busy lately? <------- (see Jen, I "asked a Mormaid"....er :confused:)

[JenT]

More of an Oklahoma/Texas thing I guess. "Kindly" takes the place of "kind of."


:doh:

One last time, Jen. This is the "ASK" A Mormon thread. Not the "Tell" all the Mormons thread.



Sheesh! Next thing I know you will be passing out decoder rings for the ReconoLodge.


So guys. Just ignore her. Too much "Sun-In" over the years.

(hands on hips) but I wasn't the one not askin!

[Reeder]

(hands on hips) but I wasn't the one not askin!

You weren't the one.....not.....askin'..........wait! Huh?! :D

[JenT]

Noelle, why are men the way they are? (see Reeder, I asked a Mormaid too :) )

I could use a decoder ring if you have an extra one.

mmmmm, as was explained before on TTTM, Fire Watch already discussed the kind of "Cracker Jacks" one finds the "man code" decoder rings in...and I won't even link to it here...

[RayMan]

I could use a decoder ring if you have an extra one.


:doh: I knew this was gonna happen.

[JenT]

You weren't the one.....not.....askin'..........wait! Huh?! :D

OH!

Ask a Mormon: Why do men like the three stooges?

BTW, I saw that the Mormon church is taking the heat for Prop 8 passing in California...my esteem goes up higher by the milisecond

THANK YOU!!!!

[RayMan]

You weren't the one.....not.....askin'..........wait! Huh?! :D

The double negative. Part of the California Adventure.

[RayMan]

OH!

Ask a Mormon: Why do men like the three stooges?

BTW, I saw that the Mormon church is taking the heat for Prop 8 passing in California...my esteem goes up higher by the milisecond

Just Milli? What about the Vanilli second? Don't be hatin' girl.

[JenT]

:doh: I knew this was gonna happen.

DID you OR DID YOU NOT have a question for a Mormon?

[RayMan]

My brain hurts.

[JenT]

The double negative. Part of the California Adventure.

Yep (polishing nails on shirt proudly) we all understand each other here

[JenT]

My brain hurts.

See? I didn't even have to get out the fry pan.

[RayMan]

Yep (polishing nails on shirt proudly) we all understand each other here

Yep. It's the code of the West. Californians are born knowing it, dude.

[CALady]

Good to see you, CALady! Been busy lately? <------- (see Jen, I "asked a Mormaid"....er :confused:)

Been very busy... new job... big city... riding BART every day now...

So, I wonder. Why do they call "Mr. Lincoln" at Disneyland a ride? You don't go anywhere.

[RayMan]

Been very busy... new job... big city... riding BART every day now...

So, I wonder. Why do they call "Mr. Lincoln" at Disneyland a ride? You don't go anywhere.

My condolences. I had to ride BART from El Cerrito to Fremont and back for a year. Never want to repeat that experience.

[noelle12]

Noelle, why are men the way they are? (see Reeder, I asked a Mormaid too :) )


I wish I knew. I guess neither mormons, mormans nor mormaids have all the answers after all. One thing I do know about men is that sometimes it is better to not understand.

But I still love 'em.

[Reeder]

Been very busy... new job... big city... riding BART every day now...

Tell them to give you more time to get on the forums. :mrgreen:


So, I wonder. Why do they call "Mr. Lincoln" at Disneyland a ride? You don't go anywhere.

There is only one ride at Disneyland, and it aint Mr. Lincoln (which, as far as I know, has been axed and replaced with "The First 50 Magical Years" with Steve Martin).

[RayMan]

Tell them to give you more time to get on the forums. :mrgreen:<snip>.

Or get a cell card for your laptop. I love surfin' the net during my van commute.

[JenT]

Yep. It's the code of the West. Californians are born knowing it, dude.

somehow i suspect double entendre there...

[Reeder]

Or get a cell card for your laptop. I love surfin' the net during my van commute.

I'd have to get a laptop to enjoy that luxury. Unfotunately, this little economic crisis of ours is hitting me hard. :((

But hey, keep rubbing it in. :cool:

[RayMan]

somehow i suspect double entendre there...

Triple actually. But who's counting?


Oh yeah.



You are.


Oh snap!.

[RayMan]

Or get a cell card for your laptop. I love surfin' the net during my van commute.

We are in fact on I-80 passing Emeryville as I type. I love high tech toys.

[justamere10]

....BTW, I saw that the Mormon church is taking the heat for Prop 8 passing in California...my esteem goes up higher by the milisecond


THANK YOU!!!!



There were many churches actively involved in helping get Proposition 8 passed in California, but it seems faddish to 'blame' the Mormons. There have recently been protests outside LDS temples in CA and even in Salt Lake City.

Here's a report from a Catholic bishop:


SACRAMENTO 7 November 2008 (This news release was issued by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento) The following statement was released today by Bishop William Weigand, head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento and former Bishop of Salt Lake City, in response to attacks on (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) for supporting California’s Proposition 8, defending the traditional definition of marriage:

“Catholics stand in solidarity with our Mormon brothers and sisters in support of traditional marriage — the union of one man and one woman — that has been the major building block of Western Civilization for millennia.

“The ProtectMarriage coalition, which led the successful campaign to pass Proposition 8, was an historic alliance of people from every faith and ethnicity. LDS were included — but so were Catholics and Jews, Evangelicals and Orthodox, African-Americans and Latinos, Asians and Anglos.

“Bigoted attacks on Mormons for the part they played in our coalition are shameful and ignore the reality that Mormon voters were only a small part of the groundswell that supported Proposition 8.

“As the former bishop of the Diocese of Salt Lake City, I can attest to the fact that followers of the Mormon faith are a good and generous people with a long history of commitment to family and giving to community causes.

“I personally decry the bigotry recently exhibited towards the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — coming from the opponents of Proposition 8, who ironically, have called those of us supporting traditional marriage intolerant.

“I call upon the supporters of same-sex marriage to live by their own words — and to refrain from discrimination against religion and to exercise tolerance for those who differ from them. I call upon them to accept the will of the people of California in the passage of Proposition 8.”

SOURCE: Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00001263/!x-usc:http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Former-Catholic-Bishop-Salt-Lake/story.aspx?guid=%7BBE149180-C54A-41B7-B3DC-14EAC89B5D6E%7D)

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/catholic-bishop-decries-religious-bigotry-against-mormons (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00001263/!x-usc:http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/catholic-bishop-decries-religious-bigotry-against-mormons)

[bluebird]

There were many churches actively involved in helping get Proposition 8 passed in California, but it seems faddish to 'blame' the Mormons. There have recently been protests outside LDS temples in CA and even in Salt Lake City.

Here's a report from a Catholic bishop:


SACRAMENTO 7 November 2008 (This news release was issued by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento) The following statement was released today by Bishop William Weigand, head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento and former Bishop of Salt Lake City, in response to attacks on (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) for supporting California’s Proposition 8, defending the traditional definition of marriage:

“Catholics stand in solidarity with our Mormon brothers and sisters in support of traditional marriage — the union of one man and one woman — that has been the major building block of Western Civilization for millennia.

“The ProtectMarriage coalition, which led the successful campaign to pass Proposition 8, was an historic alliance of people from every faith and ethnicity. LDS were included — but so were Catholics and Jews, Evangelicals and Orthodox, African-Americans and Latinos, Asians and Anglos.

“Bigoted attacks on Mormons for the part they played in our coalition are shameful and ignore the reality that Mormon voters were only a small part of the groundswell that supported Proposition 8.

“As the former bishop of the Diocese of Salt Lake City, I can attest to the fact that followers of the Mormon faith are a good and generous people with a long history of commitment to family and giving to community causes.

“I personally decry the bigotry recently exhibited towards the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — coming from the opponents of Proposition 8, who ironically, have called those of us supporting traditional marriage intolerant.

“I call upon the supporters of same-sex marriage to live by their own words — and to refrain from discrimination against religion and to exercise tolerance for those who differ from them. I call upon them to accept the will of the people of California in the passage of Proposition 8.”

SOURCE: Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00001263/!x-usc:http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Former-Catholic-Bishop-Salt-Lake/story.aspx?guid=%7BBE149180-C54A-41B7-B3DC-14EAC89B5D6E%7D)

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/catholic-bishop-decries-religious-bigotry-against-mormons (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00001263/!x-usc:http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/catholic-bishop-decries-religious-bigotry-against-mormons)

Wow. That was really nice.

[noelle12]

Welcome back Justamere10. It's been a long time.

[justamere10]

Welcome back Justamere10. It's been a long time.

Thanks, I've been piranha fishing and alligator hunting up the Amazon, now I'm ready for anything. :)

[orbitaldecay]

hello everyone. i am new to the forums and just wanted to say hi! :D

Welcome!

EDIT: Welcome again, and good bye.

[Reeder]

We are in fact on I-80 passing Emeryville as I type. I love high tech toys.

Say hi to the folks over at Pixar for me the next time you pass that way, will ya?

[RayMan]

Say hi to the folks over at Pixar for me the next time you pass that way, will ya?


You betcha.

[CALady]

Tell them to give you more time to get on the forums. :mrgreen:



There is only one ride at Disneyland, and it aint Mr. Lincoln (which, as far as I know, has been axed and replaced with "The First 50 Magical Years" with Steve Martin).

Yeah, patriotic words from Abe Lincoln don't really play well today... sigh.

[JenT]

Hello heroic Mormons from California:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=42220501&postcount=41

you've been summoned :) :hug:

[Reeder]

:sick::sick:

[RayMan]

:sick::sick:

Well, that was helpful.

[JenT]

:sick::sick:

I'm sorry Reeder, did I offend you?

I never get summoned, I meant it as a compliment

sorry if I did, wasn't meant as one

[RayMan]

I'm sorry Reeder, did I offend you?

I never get summoned, I meant it as a compliment

sorry if I did, wasn't meant as one

He's not a big fan of the Lime Jello with carrots.

Hence the "hurl" smiley.

Which seems like a contradiction in terms now that I think of it.

[RayMan]

Jen,
Ever notice how no Mormons ever show up around here?



Just sayin'.

[JenT]

Jen,
Ever notice how no Mormons ever show up around here?



Just sayin'.

??? are you playing with me?

Every time I ask a serious question they show up and answer

what are you saying?

[RayMan]

??? are you playing with me?

Every time I ask a serious question they show up and answer

what are you saying?

And yet no response to the Lime Jello question.


Unless you want to count: :sick::sick:

[noelle12]

Hello heroic Mormons from California:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=42220501&postcount=41

you've been summoned :) :hug:

The "suspended in it" is the problem for me. Not that I would use carrots (disgusting) but anything I put in jell-o either sinks to the bottom or floats on the top. Does that mean I'm not a real Mormon?

[RayMan]

The "suspended in it" is the problem for me. Not that I would use carrots (disgusting) but anything I put in jell-o either sinks to the bottom or floats on the top. Does that mean I'm not a real Mormon?

Pretty much, yeah.


Sorry about that, kid.

They probably never showed you the secret handshake or gave you a decoder ring either.


:hug:

[RayMan]

Noelle,
I feel badly for your loss Jello-wise so I am going to share a tip from back three decades ago when I was a pantry chef. Jello technology hasn't advanced much since that day so this tip should still prove helpful.


Mix up the Jello and put it in the mold. Refrigerate for maybe a half hour or so until it has attained an egg white kind of consistency, then push the fruit into the jello. It will stay where you put it instead of drifting around. Try this and get back to me.


I can't believe none of the LDS ladies around here told you about this. They SEEM so nice and helpful.

[RayMan]

Does this knowledge of the secret Jello recipe mean that I have been Mormon
all along and never knew it?


Hmm....:think:


(Or is it considered kind of ....iffy... for a guy to know about Jello?)

[noelle12]

Noelle,
I feel badly for your loss Jello-wise so I am going to share a tip from back three decades ago when I was a pantry chef. Jello technology hasn't advanced much since that day so this tip should still prove helpful.


Mix up the Jello and put it in the mold. Refrigerate for maybe a half hour or so until it has attained an egg white kind of consistency, then push the fruit into the jello. It will stay where you put it instead of drifting around. Try this and get back to me.


I can't believe none of the LDS ladies around here told you about this. They SEEM so nice and helpful.

This might come as quite a surprise, but I've never been much in the kitchen. I can see a whole new jell-o making career in front of me now. Thanks Ray!

[noelle12]

Does this knowledge of the secret Jello recipe mean that I have been Mormon
all along and never knew it?


Hmm....:think:


(Or is it considered kind of ....iffy... for a guy to know about Jello?)

Don't worry, it is totally acceptable for a guy to know about jell-o. After all, most of the famous chefs are guys, and jell-o is just a step away from real cooking.

[noelle12]

This is now the "Ask a Mormon/Teach a Mormon" thread. (Officially declared this day, the 10th of November, 2008.)

[JenT]

The "suspended in it" is the problem for me. Not that I would use carrots (disgusting) but anything I put in jell-o either sinks to the bottom or floats on the top. Does that mean I'm not a real Mormon?

pretty much, yeah.


Sorry about that, kid.

They probably never showed you the secret handshake or gave you a decoder ring either.


:hug:

rofl rofl

[RayMan]

This might come as quite a surprise, but I've never been much in the kitchen. I can see a whole new jell-o making career in front of me now. Thanks Ray!

My pleasure. Back when I was a pantry chef the jellos were my favorite thing to make. This was at an all you can eat joint so I would have to make mass quantities.

My very fave was a three-layer jello that took all night to prepare (worked graveyard shift after rest of kitchen staff went home.) because I had to wait for the first layer to set, then do the second and let it set and then the third.

Wish I remembered how to make that. It looked and tasted great.

[Meriweather]

Shall I start a Jello Recipe thread? If that is a success, perhaps an "Alternative to Green Bean Casserole" thread? I'm getting quite enthusiastic about this. Imagine! The Ask the Cookie Maker thread, Ask the Salad Tosser, What's the secret to Great Chili threads. :mrgreen:

[JenT]

Shall I start a Jello Recipe thread? If that is a success, perhaps an "Alternative to Green Bean Casserole" thread? I'm getting quite enthusiastic about this. Imagine! The Ask the Cookie Maker thread, Ask the Salad Tosser, What's the secret to Great Chili threads. :mrgreen:

:mrgreen:

[orbitaldecay]

Does this knowledge of the secret Jello recipe mean that I have been Mormon
all along and never knew it?


Hmm....:think:


(Or is it considered kind of ....iffy... for a guy to know about Jello?)

Based on this, you are more Mormon than Reeder.

[RayMan]

Based on this, you are more Mormon than Reeder.

I gotta tell ya...that comes as no surprise.

[bluebird]

I would just like to say that I know how to do jello, and do the "suspended in it" thingy too. I just wasn't around when the question was asked.:snooty:

I'm off to prepare Sharing Time for Sunday. I have my debut as the Primary President this week. :eek:

[noelle12]

My pleasure. Back when I was a pantry chef the jellos were my favorite thing to make. This was at an all you can eat joint so I would have to make mass quantities.

My very fave was a three-layer jello that took all night to prepare (worked graveyard shift after rest of kitchen staff went home.) because I had to wait for the first layer to set, then do the second and let it set and then the third.

Wish I remembered how to make that. It looked and tasted great.

I have a friend who makes a multi-layer jello (I don't remember how many layers, but there are at least 10). She calls it Rainbow Jello. It takes her an entire day to make it. Each layer is only a few millimeters thick. Fun to eat.

[noelle12]

I would just like to say that I know how to do jello, and do the "suspended in it" thingy too. I just wasn't around when the question was asked.:snooty:

I'm off to prepare Sharing Time for Sunday. I have my debut as the Primary President this week. :eek:

Has your ward already had the annual primary program for Sacrament Meeting? Ours was just this past Sunday. It would be a bummer if you were called into that position just a few weeks before the program! Not that you couldn't handle it, but still!

[bluebird]

Has your ward already had the annual primary program for Sacrament Meeting? Ours was just this past Sunday. It would be a bummer if you were called into that position just a few weeks before the program! Not that you couldn't handle it, but still!

No. I was called the week after. Phew!

My biggest challenge so far has been putting together a presidency. We just moved into this ward the end of August, and I know about 10 people!

[Ned]

Does anyone post actual Mormon questions here anymore?

[orbitaldecay]

Does anyone post actual Mormon questions here anymore?

Yes.

Example:
Does anyone post actual Mormon questions here anymore?

[RayMan]

Yes.

Example:

And the Mormons are still posting helpful, fact filled answers.

All is well in "Ask A Mormon" land.

[hillplus]

I would just like to say that I know how to do jello, and do the "suspended in it" thingy too. I just wasn't around when the question was asked.:snooty:

I'm off to prepare Sharing Time for Sunday. I have my debut as the Primary President this week. :eek:

My condolen... I mean congratulations!!:mrgreen:

[hillplus]

Does anyone post actual Mormon questions here anymore?

Are you suggesting that people here regularly derail threads?:surprised

[RayMan]

Are you suggesting that people here regularly derail threads?:surprised

How do you define "regularly?"

[JenT]

How do you define "regularly?"

Nope Ned, they're just teaching me a lesson for posting a link to a thread where Mormons and jello were connected...REEDER did not like it and now...NOW...RAYMAN <---THAT RAYMAN, has BROUGHT IT over here!

WELCOME TO :hug: HANNITY :hug: NED :hug:

[noelle12]

Are you suggesting that people here regularly derail threads?:surprised

Now that's just crazy talk!

[Reeder]

Does anyone post actual Mormon questions here anymore?

Been lurking for a time, have we?

[Ladybug]

I'm new to this board and surprised to see this thread as I thought this was more of a political Website. I was a temple-goer and had left the practices of Mormonism years ago. I do miss Relief Society at times, but overall I have no regrets. ~Ladybug


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Ask a Mormon


In this thread you are invited to interact with justamere10, an active well-informed Mormon, and other Mormons. You are invited to ask any questions you may have about the religious beliefs and practices of the Mormons.

Other of my LDS friends may disagree, but it is my personal belief that a huge amount of misinformation about what Mormons believe is in circulation. It is my contention that behind that misinformation is a lucrative anti-Mormon publishing industry. That industry includes publishers, writers, creators of media, and sellers/distributors of books, pamphlets, DVD's etc. that contradict, belittle, or misrepresent Mormon beliefs.

Distributors of information from that industry, I believe, include some paid ministers of religion whose income, authority, and status is threatened when members of their flock switch to another denomination. Within some denominations members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST have even been accused of not being Christians! Apparently some scholars and leaders have created and preached an unbiblical definition of "Christianity" that tends to exclude the Mormons from Christian fellowship.

It is my hope to help dispel some of that misunderstanding and consequent enmity and division among fellow followers of Jesus Christ. I believe that we are in a dangerous time when all Christians in America face a common enemy. The enemy is the secular progressive agenda to do away with Christian values in America, and terrorists who maim and kill in the name of god and religion. I believe it essential that ALL followers of Jesus Christ unite against that foe. Hopefully this thread will lead to a better understanding of what it is the Mormons really believe, and thus eventually a better union in a common cause.

In this thread I will refer to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a 13,000,000 member fast-growing worldwide church headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah as "Mormons", "Latter-day Saints", "LDS", or "Saints".

I believe that one way for Mormons such as myself to get the truth out about our religious beliefs is to speak up in non-LDS venues such as this discussion board. I am aware that LDS beliefs are often emotionally put down by people and groups who have been exposed only to untrue teachings about the Mormons. Thus a high level of moderation in discussions about the Mormons is required, and hopefully will be evident in this thread as it was in my earlier thread titled: "If Catholics are wrong, are Protestants too?"

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=643801 (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=643801)


I cannot speak for the LDS Church and I don't claim to know everything there is to know about the Mormons. But I will always write the truth as I understand it. Other Latter-day Saints may wish to add their own points of view or expand on what I write, I hope they do. I believe that I can quite accurately represent the beliefs of many active mainstream Mormons.

In this thread I and other Latter-day Saints WILL refer to the entire canon of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to help others better understand our beliefs.

It is acceptable to contrast LDS beliefs with yours, and to expound on the meaning of scripture. I expect a lively discussion in which posters of all denominations actively but respectfully defend the things they believe to be true. It is not my intention to try to convert anyone, but we do have a few vacancies if anyone becomes interested. :-) It may take you a year or two to make bishop though...

I have been a faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for 40 years, having converted from Roman Catholicism at age 22. I have been in thousands of LDS meetings of all kinds, attended temples in many countries, served a foreign mission, listened to other Mormons talk, rubbed shoulders with Mormons, live among Mormons, watch what they do, met Mormon prophets, apostles and general authorities, read books, studied scriptures, and been a lay minister and Melchizedek Priesthood holder for decades.


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You are invited to

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[Reeder]

Welcome to the forums, Ladybug!

[sirknightron]

A have something to ask.
Before the book of Mormon, it was the called The Commandments and in it the book stated that Jesus was God. Then it was changed in what is now known as the book of Mormon to Jesus being the Son of a God. If I'm not mistaken, how is this? It went from Jesus be God to Jesus being the the son of A God. Who made the changes and why?

[mrcuff]

A have something to ask.
Before the book of Mormon, it was the called The Commandments and in it the book stated that Jesus was God. Then it was changed in what is now known as the book of Mormon to Jesus being the Son of a God. If I'm not mistaken, how is this? It went from Jesus be God to Jesus being the the son of A God. Who made the changes and why?

First Issue:
The Book of Mormon has never been called The Commandments. You must be referring the the Doctrine and Covenants (a series of revelations given to Joseph Smith) that was originally called The Book of Commandments.

Second Issue:
There have been many changes to the wording of some of the Book of Mormon with each succeeding edition. There are several reasons for the changes. Most of them have to do with grammatical errors. A few have to do with 'clarity'. Some of these changes were made by Joseph Smith himself when the second edition was published.

I am not sure which specific chapter and verse you are referring to, but here is my opinion. Jesus can properly be referred to as God, as He is a member of the Godhead. In the case that you cite, the change was probably made to clarify that the writer was referring to Jesus, rather than to His Father, both of whom are Gods.

[Aaron1122]

I hope Every Mormon Temple is OK...... I was praying for you !;)

[bluebird]

I have a question. Have any of you parents of young kids seen this page (http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=edea9d890b84d110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&locale=0) at the Church website? I just found it yesterday. It kept my 4 year old son occupied for a while. He thought it was the greatest thing ever -- yesterday.

There are lots of other things to do on the Friend (http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ae20e975d2a2b010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0) page. This is great!

[MobyMule]

I have a question. Have any of you parents of young kids seen this page (http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=edea9d890b84d110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&locale=0) at the Church website? I just found it yesterday. It kept my 4 year old son occupied for a while. He thought it was the greatest thing ever -- yesterday.

There are lots of other things to do on the Friend (http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ae20e975d2a2b010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0) page. This is great!

Thanks for that.

[hben]

sure hben, that would be great!

(pulling up a chair)

lets start with 1995 [edit] wait, this is the "Ask a Mormon" thread,

what WAS the last real topic here?

Oops, I accidentally put that stack of stuff in the shredder...oh, nevermind. :redface:

[Reeder]

Hi :angel:

[gpd®]

Hi :angel:

Hi Reeder,

There is this fellow on the radio yesterday who claimed that LDS Bishops went door-to-door strongly requesting money for Prop 8 relative to your tithes or loose "standing in the church."

http://californiansagainsthate.com/

Many LDS people called the show and called this guy a liar. He says he has many informants inside the LDS who claim this is true. Have you heard anything about this?

[hillplus]

Hi Reeder,

There is this fellow on the radio yesterday who claimed that LDS Bishops went door-to-door strongly requesting money for Prop 8 relative to your tithes or loose "standing in the church."

http://californiansagainsthate.com/

Many LDS people called the show and called this guy a liar. He says he has many informants inside the LDS who claim this is true. Have you heard anything about this?

I am not Reeder but, my vote is that he is a liar. People don't lose standing in the church for their political beliefs. This story does not ring true!


EDIT: I should have said that SOMEBODY is lying, don't know who.

[Reeder]

Hi Reeder,

There is this fellow on the radio yesterday who claimed that LDS Bishops went door-to-door strongly requesting money for Prop 8 relative to your tithes or loose "standing in the church."

http://californiansagainsthate.com/

Many LDS people called the show and called this guy a liar. He says he has many informants inside the LDS who claim this is true. Have you heard anything about this?

I personally know a lot of LDS Bishops, and I know a lot of people who also know a lot of LDS Bishops, and I honestly never once heard of anthing like that ever happening. So I would have to say it is a lie. Unless of course there is some rogue Bishop running around somewhere causing havoc. Either way, such an action by a Bishop would likely end in disciplinary action against him.

[RayMan]

I am not Reeder but, my vote is that he is a liar. People don't lose standing in the church for their political beliefs. This story does not ring true!


EDIT: I should have said that SOMEBODY is lying, don't know who.

Wow! Reeder is a liar? Who knew.













Just kidding. Hey Reeder.

[Reeder]

Wow! Reeder is a liar? Who knew.













Just kidding. Hey Reeder.

:)) Good catch there, Ray.

[hillplus]

:((

Sure, make fun of me because of my lack of 'skills'. This is supposed to be the time of good will toward men. Oh, I get it, it's because I am a woman. You are in the doghouse, Ray.

Hi, Reeder, just didn't want to be left out. Congrats on your new job, I think you must have my son's dream job.

[Reeder]

:((

Sure, make fun of me because of my lack of 'skills'. This is supposed to be the time of good will toward men. Oh, I get it, it's because I am a woman. You are in the doghouse, Ray.

Hi, Reeder, just didn't want to be left out. Congrats on your new job, I think you must have my son's dream job.

Thanks, Hillplus. How are things with you and the fam?

[RayMan]

:((

Sure, make fun of me because of my lack of 'skills'. This is supposed to be the time of good will toward men. Oh, I get it, it's because I am a woman. You are in the doghouse, Ray.

Hi, Reeder, just didn't want to be left out. Congrats on your new job, I think you must have my son's dream job.

Hey hill,
:hug: :hug:

p.s. that's "skillz"


Just sayin'.

[hillplus]

Thanks, Hillplus. How are things with you and the fam?

Well, we are doing well. A little disappointed because we were going to travel from CO to UT to be with family for some celebrating; party, lights on temple square, the whole nine yards, BUT the I70 and I80 have both been dangerous for travel so we will be staying home until spring.:((
Dang, we should be in your neck of the woods right now.
Weddings and sealings happen in May so we will wait until then to reenter 'happy valley.'

How is your father BTW?

[noelle12]

Well, we are doing well. A little disappointed because we were going to travel from CO to UT to be with family for some celebrating; party, lights on temple square, the whole nine yards, BUT the I70 and I80 have both been dangerous for travel so we will be staying home until spring.:((
Dang, we should be in your neck of the woods right now.
Weddings and sealings happen in May so we will wait until then to reenter 'happy valley.'

How is your father BTW?

Focus on the positive. Think of all that great skiing.

[RayMan]

Focus on the positive. Think of all that great skiing.

No skiing for you, pregnant lady.

[noelle12]

No skiing for you, pregnant lady.

not to mention no mountains.

[Reeder]

Well, we are doing well. A little disappointed because we were going to travel from CO to UT to be with family for some celebrating; party, lights on temple square, the whole nine yards, BUT the I70 and I80 have both been dangerous for travel so we will be staying home until spring.:((
Dang, we should be in your neck of the woods right now.
Weddings and sealings happen in May so we will wait until then to reenter 'happy valley.'

Yeah, its a blizzard outside right now. I'm considering leaving work early before the roads get any worse. Bad timing for you, eh? I'm headed to Temple Square tonight to see the lights. I'll take pictures for you. :D But really, I hope things work out for you. Who's getting married in May?


How is your father BTW?

He's been feeling great. I think he's had 6 chemo treatments so far - almost no side effects whatsoever (except a low white blood cell count and he is sensitive to cold). He had another PET scan and CAT scan on Monday to see how the treatments are working. They will find out the results in about 1/2 hour. My mom hates these things. She worries that they'll get more bad news, but my Dad is determined to beat this.

[Reeder]

No skiing for you, pregnant lady.

Fo sho!

[noelle12]

No skiing for you, pregnant lady.

Also not to mention I'm not really a skier anyway. But I like watching the Warren Miller movies.

[hillplus]

Yeah, its a blizzard outside right now. I'm considering leaving work early before the roads get any worse. Bad timing for you, eh? I'm headed to Temple Square tonight to see the lights. I'll take pictures for you. :D
Thanks for rubbing it in! :P

But really, I hope things work out for you. Who's getting married in May?

I am really excited about this. My baby brother( 6 foot 3, age 24) is getting married! Plus, my sister is being sealed to her family! This is so big because for the longest time, I was the only one of 8 kids who was endowed, but now there are going to be 7 out of 8. We have to work on the 8th now. That is heaven on earth, don't you think? To be in the temple with those people you love.



He's been feeling great. I think he's had 6 chemo treatments so far - almost no side effects whatsoever (except a low white blood cell count and he is sensitive to cold). He had another PET scan and CAT scan on Monday to see how the treatments are working. They will find out the results in about 1/2 hour. My mom hates these things. She worries that they'll get more bad news, but my Dad is determined to beat this.

I am glad to hear that he is feeling good and that he has such determination. I think that goes a long way. Your family is in my prayers!

[hillplus]

Focus on the positive. Think of all that great skiing.

I don't ski. Imagine growing up in UT and not skiing. As a child, we never had the money and when I was grown up... we never had the money.
Actually, my hubby and kids learned to ski when we lived in Garmisch, Germany. We didn't have a rent payment because we were there with the US government, so money was not a problem. I didn't learn because I had some back problems which required surgery. Didn't want to mess up my back.

Oh, My 17 year old is going snowboarding tomorrow. I will be staying home quilting and enjoying my warm home. :D

[Reeder]

Thanks for rubbing it in! :P

Hey, thats what I do. :D



I am really excited about this. My baby brother( 6 foot 3, age 24) is getting married! Plus, my sister is being sealed to her family! This is so big because for the longest time, I was the only one of 8 kids who was endowed, but now there are going to be 7 out of 8. We have to work on the 8th now. That is heaven on earth, don't you think? To be in the temple with those people you love.

Thats great!! It really is heaven on earth! My little sister goes through the temple for the first time tomorrow. She's getting married on the 30th. My whole family will be there in the temple together for the first time. What a great thing! Congrats to you and your family!! And good luck on the 8th. :)





I am glad to hear that he is feeling good and that he has such determination. I think that goes a long way. Your family is in my prayers!

We appreciate that!

[noelle12]

I don't ski. Imagine growing up in UT and not skiing. As a child, we never had the money and when I was grown up... we never had the money.
Actually, my hubby and kids learned to ski when we lived in Garmisch, Germany. We didn't have a rent payment because we were there with the US government, so money was not a problem. I didn't learn because I had some back problems which required surgery. Didn't want to mess up my back.

Oh, My 17 year old is going snowboarding tomorrow. I will be staying home quilting and enjoying my warm home. :D

My sister, who is not athletic at all, moved to Steamboat Springs a few years ago, and under pressure from her husband has become a decent skier, even though I doubt she had ever skied at all until she moved there.

[noelle12]

No skiing for you, pregnant lady.

You should see me skiing the slalom on my new (birthday present) wii fit. Who needs cold? Who needs snow? Who needs mountains?

[bluebird]

No skiing for you, pregnant lady.

Wah? Noelle, you're prego?!?! Congrats! When are you due?

I'm pregnant too, and due the end of June -- we think. I measured 4 weeks ahead of when my dates say I should be due -- could be the dates are wrong, could be the way I'm carrying the baby -- could be twins. :eek: We'll find out during the ultrasound Jan. 5.

[noelle12]

Wah? Noelle, you're prego?!?! Congrats! When are you due?

I'm pregnant too, and due the end of June -- we think. I measured 4 weeks ahead of when my dates say I should be due -- could be the dates are wrong, could be the way I'm carrying the baby -- could be twins. :eek: We'll find out during the ultrasound Jan. 5.

I'm due June 20. I'm old, therefore high risk, so I had an ultrasound at 8 weeks. No twins for me apparently (for which I'm grateful). I'll have another in early Feb and find out the gender (hopefully). Congratulations to you too. We could end up with babies very close to the same age!

[crunchem]

That verse has made many a Mormon chuckle. Why would Abinadi come "in disguise" and then tell his name?

"And it came to pass that after the space of two years that Abinadi came among them in disguise, that they knew him not, and began to prophesy (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00000585/!x-usc:http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/12/1a) among them, saying: Thus has the Lord commanded me, saying—Abinadi, go and prophesy unto this my people, for they have hardened their hearts against my words; they have repented not of their evil doings; therefore, I will visit (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00000585/!x-usc:http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/12/1b) them in my anger, yea, in my fierce anger will I visit them in their iniquities and abominations." Mosiah 12: 1

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/12/1#1 (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00000585/!x-usc:http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/12/1#1)


The record that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from was inscribed on metal plates. Can you imagine the prophet who wrote that account of Abinadi realizing his mistake sometime later and trying to erase the funny part?

The title page of the Book of Mormon concludes with the statement:

"And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ."

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/ttlpg (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00000585/!x-usc:http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/ttlpg)


All I can say with my limited knowledge, is "enjoy the chuckle". :-)

Some two-cent thoughts ---remembering that the majority of the BofM is Mormon's consolidation, the apparent contradiction could be:

1. Abinadi came back immediately or soon after leaving, put on a disguise to (get past guards?) re-enter the city, and then after two years "took off the mask" and began to preach again;

2. Abinadi waited two years for the heat on him to cool off, then slipped in under disguise (just in case bad guys might still recognize him) and decided it was OK to begin preaching right away because nobody was talking about him anymore

3. He came back after some time, in disguise, and waited, some time, which added up to two years, and revealed himself, perhaps because he figured it was Ok, or because God said it was the right time, to preach again.

4. Because Mormon had SO much time to kill with all those records lying about, he just threw in some curious stuff for our amusement, and for the inevitable anti's to rail on..... :)

etc. etc.

In the editing process, Mormon could have just written what really happened (or might have happened) in a slightly unclear way. In any case, it's just one of those things where Mormon the editor would have benefited from a proofreader, or to have been able to write on something more easily correctable than metal plates. Then again, did he know (or care) how much we, 2000 years later, would micro-analyze everything?

[crunchem]

With every LDS proxy baptism that is done to someone who lived another faith. I promise not to answer any post to this, so it doesn't start this up again, but if LDS truly believed everyone has the right to their own religious beliefs, they would be the first to work within their own church to stop this horrible practice.

I read earlier, either in this thread or another, where someone mentioned that in Judaism, baptism was the second most offensive word--rape being the third. I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment that proxy baptism is a rape--an unwanted, fought against intrustion. It certainly was in my family.

But continue to fool yourselves that it is not really forcing anyone--and you are doing God's will--and every other whitewash you choose to pour on--If you respected Catholic, Jewish, Quaker (and probably untold other) religous beliefs like you say you do, you wouldn't be a part of this rape that you call "Proxy Baptism." Tell yourself the dead has the final choice--I'm sure it is a great comfort to you. . . .isn't the woman supposed to always enjoy it?

THERE! THAT IS MY RELIGIOUS BELIEF ABOUT LDS PROXY BAPTISMS! DOES EVERYONE RESPECT THAT!?

The Jewish rite of Mikvah, a ceremonial cleansing of pure water by immersion, or BAPTISM, has existed for millenia as a symbol of one's purification, and more recently, as a requirement for conversion in some Jewish sects. Calling the word BAPTISM as abhorrent as the word RAPE, or the two acts as equivalent, is just getting worked up over....?

[hillplus]

Probably should have left that vile quote under a rock where it belongs.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Does seem to be dredging up an issue long past.

[Meriweather]

The Jewish rite of Mikvah, a ceremonial cleansing of pure water by immersion, or BAPTISM, has existed for millenia as a symbol of one's purification, and more recently, as a requirement for conversion in some Jewish sects. Calling the word BAPTISM as abhorrent as the word RAPE, or the two acts as equivalent, is just getting worked up over....?


Are you aware you pulled up a post about a subject I was in a seethe about over six months ago? Further, at the time I wrote that post, the debate had been going on for a period of two-three months. It covered these points:

My grandmother was born Catholic, raised Catholic, died Catholic and was buried in a Catholic ritual. Both of her daughters remain strong Catholics. A few years ago (while working on my hobby of genealogy research) I was dismayed to discover that after her death, my grandmother had been bapized by proxy into the LDS Church. Such news would greatly upset my mother and my aunt, and I've never shared it with them.

A definition of rape is the act of seizing someone and carrying them away by force. This is what was done to my grandmother's name and her lifetime of stated beliefs.

I would imagine every LDS poster who was here at the time that particular debate raged on may recall I feel very strongly about this particular issue.

Catholics believe baptism and their Catholic beliefs to be sacred, so yes, I do feel it was something worth getting worked up over.

[Meriweather]

Probably should have left that vile quote under a rock where it belongs.

When LDS stops giving people LDS baptisms after their deaths, I'll stop holding up that particular mirror. No one has the right to trample over the beliefs of the dead and the continuing beliefs of the family.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Deep, cleansing breath. In with the good....
Out with the bad.....

[Meriweather]

Deep, cleansing breath. In with the good....
Out with the bad.....

Growl.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Read my sig.

[Meriweather]

Read my sig.

Okay, but someone better serve a restraining order on me, just in case.

[Koushi Shinigami]

That's what I'm trying to do. For your own good. Now get outta here. :razz:

[hillplus]

When LDS stops giving people LDS baptisms after their deaths, I'll stop holding up that particular mirror. No one has the right to trample over the beliefs of the dead and the continuing beliefs of the family.

Careful there, when it comes to baptismal practices, you're living in a glass house.

[oldtimer]

When LDS stops giving people LDS baptisms after their deaths, I'll stop holding up that particular mirror. No one has the right to trample over the beliefs of the dead and the continuing beliefs of the family.Why do you suppose you know the mind of those who have passed beyond the veil this life places upon our eyes?

[oldtimer]

Does this knowledge of the secret Jello recipe mean that I have been Mormon
all along and never knew it?


Hmm....:think:


(Or is it considered kind of ....iffy... for a guy to know about Jello?)Maybe a Utah Mormon, certainly not a Southern Mormon, green jello is not allowed around here.... But you may be a Southern Mormon is you eat grits with cheese, butter, and they are cooked for more than 30 minutes. :)

[crunchem]

Please, please forgive me; I did not intend at all to stir up old "wounds". Apparently, I have erred on a couple of accounts. Perhaps this will not happen again, especially if you (all) could help this non-veteran-poster with a few things. Please understand I apparently have not figured out a few operational features on the forum. Also, I have extremely slow internet speed at the present, and so it makes it frustratingly difficult to "catch up" on an interesting (but long) thread such as this one and read every single post before wanting to share thoughts and add to it.

1. I realize the emotional quote I grabbed was from a long time ago. I have been under the assumption that when you reply to something, using the quote feature, I places your comment directly under the quoted comment in time sequence, or at least inserts it (my own comment including the quote) at the time and place where my cursor is. For example, if I am looking at post #10 and quote post #5 within it, I become the new post #11, and everything bumps back one after that. Or I am looking at post #5, and quote it in my new post, I became post #6 in the same manner. However, if the thread is 999 posts long, apparently my post becomes #1000, no matter what I do. If this is true, then this explains how I resurrected (no pun!) something that should have remained buried without intending to. Or is there a way to insert one's comments into the flow of a converstaion, even if it took place days or months previous? (Or on second thought, wouldn't that just make a thread even more convoluted if you could do that?) Would changing my thread mode or display mode make a difference?

2. I also kind of quoted the wrong post anyway. My comment was intended to point out that baptism is not an entirely post-30 A.D. thing. Judaism is essentially the root of Christianity, and I was hoping to see if anyone cared to discuss the seeming oxymoron of Jewish baptisms. Since Meri's objection was about Mormon proxy-baptism on her Catholic dead, I was trying to connect the dots that if a Jew objected to Mormon proxy-baptism it might be considered ironic, seeing as how there is some/ample evidence of ancient Jews practicing baptism. I thought it quite a stretch to say baptism was the second worst word in the Jewish religion considering what I just pointed out. I can see now I made no such clear connection in my comments.

3. In fact, the core of my post was about Meri's comparison of baptism to rape. I wish I had not made any comments at all, considering the heightened emotion at the time, and the instant re-opening of a closed(?) chapter now. Other LDS had defended and debated the practice (proxy-baptism) in their posts, with others such as Meriweather and Scipio being passionate and immovable in their objection to the procedure (as well as the is-it-data-mining-or-not-on-the-banned-site thing). Again, my bad, completely.

(Backing away a step. Pause.)

I apologize again, but I was really not intending to stir up trouble. There's enough of that in other forums here without me adding to it or bringing it out again here. A bit of an excuse is this: A comment was made somewhere (Rayman?) on post 50? 500? 5000? about lurkers compared to participators. His comment hit me because I wanted to participate, but realized the thread at that point was six or seven months old. As explained above, I didn't think my post would come out that way. I had tried in the past several months, many times, to enter the "Ask a Mormon" thread, and it would always redirect to nothingness. I never got a message saying "This thread is locked", so I had no idea what was going on with the thread. When I clicked on it the other night, and got in, I was so excited I read straight through for eight hours or so. Perhaps that explains my ill-worded, ill-timed and ill-placed post better than anything.

'Nuf said. Anyone, please show the me the "Posting 101, 102" site and I will absorb. I'll go poke around for one again right now.....

Hugs for all!

(Waves, turns, shuffles off.....)

[oldtimer]

Please, please forgive me; I did not intend at all to stir up old "wounds". Apparently, I have erred on a couple of accounts. Perhaps this will not happen again, especially if you (all) could help this non-veteran-poster with a few things. Please understand I apparently have not figured out a few operational features on the forum. Also, I have extremely slow internet speed at the present, and so it makes it frustratingly difficult to "catch up" on an interesting (but long) thread such as this one and read every single post before wanting to share thoughts and add to it.

1. I realize the emotional quote I grabbed was from a long time ago. I have been under the assumption that when you reply to something, using the quote feature, I places your comment directly under the quoted comment in time sequence, or at least inserts it (my own comment including the quote) at the time and place where my cursor is. For example, if I am looking at post #10 and quote post #5 within it, I become the new post #11, and everything bumps back one after that. Or I am looking at post #5, and quote it in my new post, I became post #6 in the same manner. However, if the thread is 999 posts long, apparently my post becomes #1000, no matter what I do. If this is true, then this explains how I resurrected (no pun!) something that should have remained buried without intending to. Or is there a way to insert one's comments into the flow of a converstaion, even if it took place days or months previous? (Or on second thought, wouldn't that just make a thread even more convoluted if you could do that?) Would changing my thread mode or display mode make a difference?

2. I also kind of quoted the wrong post anyway. My comment was intended to point out that baptism is not an entirely post-30 A.D. thing. Judaism is essentially the root of Christianity, and I was hoping to see if anyone cared to discuss the seeming oxymoron of Jewish baptisms. Since Meri's objection was about Mormon proxy-baptism on her Catholic dead, I was trying to connect the dots that if a Jew objected to Mormon proxy-baptism it might be considered ironic, seeing as how there is some/ample evidence of ancient Jews practicing baptism. I thought it quite a stretch to say baptism was the second worst word in the Jewish religion considering what I just pointed out. I can see now I made no such clear connection in my comments.

3. In fact, the core of my post was about Meri's comparison of baptism to rape. I wish I had not made any comments at all, considering the heightened emotion at the time, and the instant re-opening of a closed(?) chapter now. Other LDS had defended and debated the practice (proxy-baptism) in their posts, with others such as Meriweather and Scipio being passionate and immovable in their objection to the procedure (as well as the is-it-data-mining-or-not-on-the-banned-site thing). Again, my bad, completely.

(Backing away a step. Pause.)

I apologize again, but I was really not intending to stir up trouble. There's enough of that in other forums here without me adding to it or bringing it out again here. A bit of an excuse is this: A comment was made somewhere (Rayman?) on post 50? 500? 5000? about lurkers compared to participators. His comment hit me because I wanted to participate, but realized the thread at that point was six or seven months old. As explained above, I didn't think my post would come out that way. I had tried in the past several months, many times, to enter the "Ask a Mormon" thread, and it would always redirect to nothingness. I never got a message saying "This thread is locked", so I had no idea what was going on with the thread. When I clicked on it the other night, and got in, I was so excited I read straight through for eight hours or so. Perhaps that explains my ill-worded, ill-timed and ill-placed post better than anything.

'Nuf said. Anyone, please show the me the "Posting 101, 102" site and I will absorb. I'll go poke around for one again right now.....

Hugs for all!

(Waves, turns, shuffles off.....)An immersive mikvah have been and are to this day required for converts to Judaism as part of their conversion. This has been the case since Moses. The term Baptism is Greek and not used by Jews. Mikvahs can be done over and over, not a one time thing like baptism and circumcism.

[justamere10]

Since I found this old thread high up on page two and I am the one who got it started I thought it might be ok to wish everyone a few days late but heartfelt Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year.


Oh, mustn't forget, here's the Mormon content just in case anyone's still interested in that:


Living Apostles speak out on marriage.

In the midst of the tumult and turmoil we see all around us as 2008 comes to an end, some sincere truth seekers may wonder if God has abandoned His children on earth. The traditional family in particular has been battered and bloodied by those who would make our nation a godless secular state.

Latter-day Saints declare that God lives and Jesus is the Christ. They declare that the Church of Jesus Christ has been restored and that God again speaks to mankind through a living Prophet and Apostles. Through them, in 1995 God revealed where He stands on the issue of same-sex "marriage".

Here in part is what He says, you can read it all at the link below:

The Family: A Proclamation to the World

We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshipped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny as heirs of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife....

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00001985/!x-usc:http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html)


Recently a living Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ participated in a comprehensive Q&A about homosexuality and the same-sex marriage controversy. Does your church agree with what he had to say about the matter?

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/same-gender-attraction (mhtml:{09272DBB-5804-4926-A7B0-C39813AD4444}mid://00001943/!x-usc:http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/same-gender-attraction)

[oldtimer]

Justamere10, it is my opinion that the commandment to be fruitful and multiply was part of the marriage ceremony and not a separate commandment. Be fruitful and multiply; and cleave to each other and none else are all we have recorded in Genesis of this ancient ceremony. The first chapter of Genesis is an outline of the creative periods, ending with the creation of man. Chapter 2 puts more detail into the creation, specifically of mankind.

I believe scripture teaches first commandment was when God married the immortal Adam and Eve to each other and told them to cleave to each other and to nothing else. The commandment to be fruitful and multiply was part of the marriage commandment.

Following Adam and Eve’s marriage, God told the eternal couple to eat as they will, except they are forbidden to eat form the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

[justamere10]

So you say you are a Christian and I am not.

Read the Sermon on the Mount. When that is your message and that is your life story, then you can tell me you're a true Christian, a faithful follower of Jesus Christ. I don't see anything there that says a Christian is one who clings to a manufactured 4th century creed.

In Matthew 7 it says Christ's followers are "they who do the will of my Father which is in heaven." If you're not clear about what that will is, try reading Matthew 5, 6 and 7. Go through it carefully, then come back and tell me you're a Christian and Christ gave you the right to judge and label other followers of Jesus Christ non-Christian.

Tell me how you mourn with those who mourn.
Tell me how you're poor in spirit.
Tell me how you love your enemies and pray for those who mistreat you.
Tell me how you give to those who ask and pray to your Father for what you need.
Tell me how you go out of your way not to judge others.
Tell me how you are careful not to do your alms before men.
Tell me how you pray in secret.
Tell me how you go the extra mile.
Tell me how you have cut off the offending hand and cut out the offending eye.
Tell me how you have built your house upon the rock, not on some manmade creed.

You have gotten lost in your theology. You have forgotten the message of Christ. You need to go back to the Bible and actually READ IT. Add to that repentance and some humble and sincere prayer to find out if it's God who wants you to go around judging, excluding, and condemning those of His children who don't bow to the creeds and dictates of your religious denomination. You know, those of your brothers and sisters who humbly follow His Son.

The above is not copyrighted, feel free to pass it along to those people who have been deceived by their leaders into pridefully and arrogantly declaring that they are the only true Christians among God's children.


http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/ (http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/)

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[orbitaldecay]

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[CaptainPike]

Because I didn't mean to derail a different thread, I'd like to pose a question here for Mormons:

Do Mormons believe they can achieve Godhood?

Also, there is a video called The God Makers that proposes a lot of strange things about Mormonism. I'm assuming none of it is true, but I wanted to ask any Mormons that might have seen the video whether or not it's true.

[Ron Jon]

Because I didn't mean to derail a different thread, I'd like to pose a question here for Mormons:

Do Mormons believe they can achieve Godhood?

Also, there is a video called The God Makers that proposes a lot of strange things about Mormonism. I'm assuming none of it is true, but I wanted to ask any Mormons that might have seen the video whether or not it's true.That would be a wrong assumption to make. Personally, it might be better to break the video into parts and ask if a certain part is true (or more specifically if the specific part is taken out of context). The Godmakers, unfortunately takes several LDS beliefs out of context and portrays them in the most negative light possible.

[orbitaldecay]

Because I didn't mean to derail a different thread, I'd like to pose a question here for Mormons:



Also, there is a video called The God Makers that proposes a lot of strange things about Mormonism. I'm assuming none of it is true, but I wanted to ask any Mormons that might have seen the video whether or not it's true.

This is what various organizations have to say about the Godmakers:

Anti-Defamation League:
"I sincerely hope that people of all faiths will similarly repudiate ‘The Godmakers’ as defamatory and untrue, and recognize it for what it truly represents- a challenge to the religious liberty of all"

National Conference of Christians and Jews:
"The film does not fairly portray the Mormon Church, Mormon history, or Mormon belief. It makes extensive use of half-truths, faulty generalizations, sensationalism, and is not reflective of the true spirit of Mormon faith. We find particularly offensive the emphasis that Mormonism is some sort of subversive plot-a danger to the community, a threat to the institution of marriage, and destructive to the mental health of teenagers. We are of the opinion that the film relies heavily on appeals to fear, prejudice and unworthy human emotions."

If one types in "mormon" into youtube, this cartoon clip is one the first ones to come up. "The Godmakers" is often one of the first things people see about Mormonism. And it's a shame that many people now probably think that Mormons believe "that because Joseph Smith was killed, all mankind can be saved, etc.." (something Mormons DON'T believe :eek:)

Do Mormons believe they can achieve Godhood?

I hesitate to just answer "yes" because put so simply, it would not accurately represent all that we believe about exaltation.

As mentioned before we believe we become co-heirs with Christ. And we believe that we can live with God and our families in a state of happiness for eternity. We also believe that after we die, we can continue to progress. Through that eternal progression we can become like our Heavenly Father. And it's only through the atonement of Jesus Christ that any of this can take place. Now take in mind, that this belief in Exaltation is not done pride, but in humility.

[RayMan]

Why do you suppose you know the mind of those who have passed beyond the veil this life places upon our eyes?

The same question might well be asked of you.

[RayMan]

Maybe a Utah Mormon, certainly not a Southern Mormon, green jello is not allowed around here.... But you may be a Southern Mormon is you eat grits with cheese, butter, and they are cooked for more than 30 minutes. :)

I have long expected that Grits are a form of manna from heaven. Especially with some salt, cheese and butter.

[tislaw]

The same question might well be asked of you.


I know why I know.......because I'm all knowing and seeing.........ayup.......I'll be the mod in the halls in the afterlife.......:eek:

My father-in-law, whom I still dearly miss, was a Penacostal preacher, once told me, about my faith......."I don't believe in everything your church does and think much of it wrong, but, the love I see your church portray for their fellow man cannot be wrong and while I don't think your temple practices mean anything, I can just say that with the love behind it, and the love you have for God, you can't go wrong."

[Fire Watch]

I have long expected that Grits are a form of manna from heaven. Especially with some salt, cheese and butter.
I prefer grits mixed with crumbled bacon, eggs over easy, butter, and just a touch of sugar..mix and experience nirvana.

[RayMan]

I know why I know.......because I'm all knowing and seeing.........ayup.......I'll be the mod in the halls in the afterlife.......:eek:

My father-in-law, whom I still dearly miss, was a Penacostal preacher, once told me, about my faith......."I don't believe in everything your church does and think much of it wrong, but, the love I see your church portray for their fellow man cannot be wrong and while I don't think your temple practices mean anything, I can just say that with the love behind it, and the love you have for God, you can't go wrong."

Sounds like a wise and loving guy. No wonder you miss him.

But are you EVER going to learn how to spell Pentecostal?

Just sayin'. :whistle:

[Fire Watch]

Sounds like a wise and loving guy. No wonder you miss him.

But are you EVER going to learn how to spell Pentecostal?

Just sayin'. :whistle:
You gotta take it easy on these Mormans.

[tislaw]

Sounds like a wise and loving guy. No wonder you miss him.

But are you EVER going to learn how to spell Pentecostal?

Just sayin'. :whistle:

Yes he was, one of the most beautiful souls I've ever been blessed to meet and actually know.


And um know.....see I've got this thing where I have to retain so much memory...............eh, nm......LOL.....hey, most of my spelling is exemplary.....some of it is like a misfire in the brain LOL

[tislaw]

You gotta take it easy on these Mormans.


Can I have your autograph, please??????????? ;)

And a :razz: to you too........

[Fire Watch]

Can I have your autograph, please??????????? ;)

And a :razz: to you too........
The first one was free. The next one will cost you.

[RayMan]

I prefer grits mixed with crumbled bacon, eggs over easy, butter, and just a touch of sugar..mix and experience nirvana.

I like to swirl up some crispy bacon and a fried egg or two in a big bowl of grits swimming in butter. Then I sleep til noon with a contented smile on my face. Gets me in trouble when I do that on a work day.

[tislaw]

BTW, next time y'all want to get me on my typos.........please, come and do a proof read at work :razz:

Pentecostal........LOL

And Rick........will you please be within kicking distance soon?

[RayMan]

You gotta take it easy on these Mormans.

She's more of a Mormiss, isn't she?

[Fire Watch]

And Rick........will you please be within kicking distance soon?
Going to try and make it. No promises. I'm starting back to school Monday..and our 10 yr wedding anniversary is in March.

[tislaw]

She's more of a Mormiss, isn't she?


LOL, more of a Morm'aam......or a MorMs......

[tislaw]

Going to try and make it. No promises. I'm starting back to school Monday..and our 10 yr wedding anniversary is in March.

Sweet......here's the thing if I have to be there......then, well.........you know......

From what I understand, the better half and you are out for the end and the dates are at the beginning......and since when is school on a weekend? ;)

I'm working on a first year resurrection......the Chatahootchie must go on.

[noelle12]

. . .

But are you EVER going to learn how to spell Pentecostal?

Just sayin'. :whistle:

You either need to change the spelling of "Pentecostal" or get the dictionary people to change the spelling of "cantaloupe." Those two are very confusing!

[Meriweather]

On December 26, a new poster grabbed one of my posts from May 20, because it made on offhand reference to a another post with a point he wished to address. Later he noted he had mistakenly quoted the wrong post. However, that night I had a flash of temper for a post being moved out of its original context and well away from the point it had originally addressed. December 26th, Koushi was alert enough to grab me and frog march me out of the thread for a cooling off period. Thanks, Koushi-- and you wonder why I was considering marrying you. (Alas, Koushi says we can only be friends, so I will respect that.)

Someone noted my post was vile. Back in May, when people were arguing I should respect what another religion was doing even if it meant permitting that religion to ride roughshod over my own religious beliefs, most people probably saw my return punch coming from a mile away. By then the subject had been under discussion for weeks. However, for those of you who had to read that single post out of the blue for the first time in December, you probably did feel sucker-punched—and I do regret and apologize for that.

It started me thinking and wondering about how many other posts I’ve made over the past two or three years that if gathered together along with all my off-topic posts, and all the times I’ve managed to quote violations would make a damning case against me being allowed in the Religion Forum at all. Hmmm. It being a new year and all, maybe it’s time for me to do some self-correcting.

There was one recent post connected to all of the above I did mean to come back and address:

Why do you suppose you know the mind of those who have passed beyond the veil this life places upon our eyes?

I wouldn’t be so sure that I and some others of us who post here do not--on a very extremely limited basis, of course. I have several stories I could tell about praying for those who have passed on. Further, the night Old Tex and I began the discussion it stemmed from the thought, the feelings that something positive had happened during proxy baptisms. Sprinkled throughout the discussion were other stories of people’s positive experiences of feeling some kind of connection with those who had passed on. However heatedly and passionately the argument waxed on both sides, where members of LDS and I stand together is that our prayers may be of assistance to those who have passed on.

[Koushi Shinigami]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

:hug: :hug: :hug:

[RayMan]

You either need to change the spelling of "Pentecostal" or get the dictionary people to change the spelling of "cantaloupe." Those two are very confusing!

Pregnant Morpersons say the cutest things. Yes they do...:cool:

[RayMan]

On December 26, a new poster grabbed one of my posts from May 20, because it made on offhand reference to a another post with a point he wished to address. Later he noted he had mistakenly quoted the wrong post. However, that night I had a flash of temper for a post being moved out of its original context and well away from the point it had originally addressed. December 26th, Koushi was alert enough to grab me and frog march me out of the thread for a cooling off period. Thanks, Koushi-- and you wonder why I was considering marrying you. (Alas, Koushi says we can only be friends, so I will respect that.)

Someone noted my post was vile. Back in May, when people were arguing I should respect what another religion was doing even if it meant permitting that religion to ride roughshod over my own religious beliefs, most people probably saw my return punch coming from a mile away. By then the subject had been under discussion for weeks. However, for those of you who had to read that single post out of the blue for the first time in December, you probably did feel sucker-punched—and I do regret and apologize for that.

It started me thinking and wondering about how many other posts I’ve made over the past two or three years that if gathered together along with all my off-topic posts, and all the times I’ve managed to quote violations would make a damning case against me being allowed in the Religion Forum at all. Hmmm. It being a new year and all, maybe it’s time for me to do some self-correcting.

There was one recent post connected to all of the above I did mean to come back and address:



I wouldn’t be so sure that I and some others of us who post here do not--on a very extremely limited basis, of course. I have several stories I could tell about praying for those who have passed on. Further, the night Old Tex and I began the discussion it stemmed from the thought, the feelings that something positive had happened during proxy baptisms. Sprinkled throughout the discussion were other stories of people’s positive experiences of feeling some kind of connection with those who had passed on. However heatedly and passionately the argument waxed on both sides, where members of LDS and I stand together is that our prayers may be of assistance to those who have passed on.

You guys re-opened THAT can of worms while I was computerless over the holidays? Glad I wasn't around for it. I got ticked off at everybody last time.

Like your last sentence a lot.

[RayMan]

BTW, next time y'all want to get me on my typos.........please, come and do a proof read at work :razz:

Pentecostal........LOL

And Rick........will you please be within kicking distance soon?

Would this be helpful Ms Borg?

[Koushi Shinigami]

[/B]

You guys re-opened THAT can of worms while I was computerless over the holidays? Glad I wasn't around for it. I got ticked off at everybody last time.

Like your last sentence a lot.

It didn't last long.

[RayMan]

It didn't last long.

Thank God for that.

The only other thing I have seen raise so many hackles might be the "Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin or Did She Have Kids?" threads that pop up now and again.

When those sort of things pop up I have to remind myself, "Back away from the thread Ray, no good can come of this."

[noelle12]

... However heatedly and passionately the argument waxed on both sides, where members of LDS and I stand together is that our prayers may be of assistance to those who have passed on.

:hug:Very well said. Thank you.

[Buffalo]

This is a very long thread and I'm sure my question has been asked and answered already, but honestly cannot find it. What exactly is the relationship of indigenous people of the Americas to the Israelites? I only know conjecture. Does the book of Mormom speak on it or other documents? Thanks.

[Reeder]

This is a very long thread and I'm sure my question has been asked and answered already, but honestly cannot find it. What exactly is the relationship of indigenous people of the Americas to the Israelites? I only know conjecture. Does the book of Mormom speak on it or other documents? Thanks.

From the Introduction page in the Book of Mormon:

The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.

[Buffalo]

From the Introduction page in the Book of Mormon:

The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.
Thanks Reeder.

[Ron Jon]

Who were Joseph Smith's FIRST two counselors in the first presidency?

[Reeder]

thanks reeder.

np

[Reeder]

Who were Joseph Smith's FIRST two counselors in the first presidency?

Don't know off the top of my head. If I remember correctly, I believe either Sydney Rigdon or Oliver Cowdery was one of his counselors. Why?

[Ron Jon]

Don't know off the top of my head. If I remember correctly, I believe either Sydney Rigdon or Oliver Cowdery was one of his counselors. Why?Just for fun. History/Trivia is fun, imho.

[Reeder]

just for fun. History/trivia is fun, imho.

+1

[Ron Jon]

So does anyone want to take a guess?

[RayMan]

So does anyone want to take a guess?

Even Google is stumped.

[Ron Jon]

Even Google is stumped.I was going to wait till this evening to post the answer but I'm going to be on the road again and may not have access to the internet.

Anyways, here it is.

Joseph Smith had originally chosen Jesse Gause and Sidney rigdon as his counselors on March 8, 1832, but exactly one year JS wrote a revelation in which the positions of Sidney rigdon and Frederick G. Williams as his counselors were affirmed (D&C 90:6, 19-21).

Jesse Gause had been called and chosen to this high responsibility in 1832, but he did not serve with endurance beyond a few months. When the revelation appointing Jesse Gause to the presidency was published for the first time, his name was simply removed and that of Frederick G. Williams was substituted in its place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Gause

http://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/pdfSRC/23.4Quinn.pdf

[Reeder]

I was going to wait till this evening to post the answer but I'm going to be on the road again and may not have access to the internet.

Anyways, here it is.

Joseph Smith had originally chosen Jesse Gause and Sidney rigdon as his counselors on March 8, 1832, but exactly one year JS wrote a revelation in which the positions of Sidney rigdon and Frederick G. Williams as his counselors were affirmed (D&C 90:6, 19-21).

Jesse Gause had been called and chosen to this high responsibility in 1832, but he did not serve with endurance beyond a few months. When the revelation appointing Jesse Gause to the presidency was published for the first time, his name was simply removed and that of Frederick G. Williams was substituted in its place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Gause

http://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/pdfSRC/23.4Quinn.pdf

Interesting.

[Teen_Conservative]

These are questions I ask myself time and time again. I sometimes go to www.mormon.org (http://www.mormon.org) and ask these questions, but time and time again Mormons fail to answer them.

1. If The Book of Mormon is another book of God, then why would God contradict the Bible? God does not contradict himself/herself. It says in the Book of Mormon that Jesus was born in Jerusalem, when manuscripts and the Bible say that he was born in Bethlehem.

Alma 7:10 contradicts the Bible in Matt. 2:1

2. If the Book of Mormon is the most accurate book, then why has it been changed so many times? (punctual, structural, etc.)
eg:

1830 Edition of the Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 11:18 "And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of [. . . . ] God, after the manner of the flesh

1981 Edition of the Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 11:18 "And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh."*

*This is one of several changes, there are over 3,000 changes int the Book of Mormon


3. Joseph Smith gave several false prophecies, one being the second coming of Jesus Christ. Joseph prophecised that in 56 years (from 1825) Jesus would return and appear before men. This did not happen, for the year of 1891 came and Jesus did not come back. Therefore, if a prophet gives a false prophecy, and the prophet states that its a revelation from God, why would God give a false prophecy? He would'nt.

"But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 "And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," Deut. 18:20-22 (http://www.carm.org/kjv/Deut/Deut_18.htm#18)

I would like it if a Mormon could answer these questions. I know a little about mormanism, and what Mormons basic beliefs are. You say that you are Christians, but you reject many core Christian doctrine. In my conclusion, you do not worship the same Jesus of the Bible, but you worship the Jesus of the latter day saints. We dont need a modern day prophet, we dont need the Book of Mormon. All we need is God's only word, the Bible. We only need Jesus Christ. Thats it. Plain and simple.....

[noelle12]

I can answer your first question. Bear in mind that the Book of Mormon was written by prophets who lived on the continent that we now call America. Jesus was born and lived on the other side of the world.

Bethlehem is about six miles from Jerusalem. That's pretty close. Furthermore, Jerusalem was (is) a large city, Bethlehem was a relatively small town. If you told me you were born in Los Angeles, but you were really born in Burbank, I would think nothing of it, because from where I am, Los Angeles and Burbank are basically the same place.

I do not see that as a contradiction.

[noelle12]

Your second question is addressed as follows (from lds.org)

Book of Mormon, Changes to

Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by the gift and power of God. During the process of dictating, transcribing, copying, typesetting, and printing, some human errors were made. Soon after the first printing of the Book of Mormon, in 1830, readers began finding typographical, spelling, and other mistakes. The Prophet Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery made over 1,000 corrections for the second edition (1837). For the third edition (1840), Joseph Smith made further corrections after careful prophetic review, comparing the original manuscript with the printed text.

Joseph Smith declared that “the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, . . . and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book” (History of the Church, 4:461). The appropriate sense of correct as used by Joseph Smith in this statement would be, “Set right, or made straight. Hence, right; conformable to truth” (Noah Webster, An American Dictionary of the English Language [1828]). Every edition of the Book of Mormon has been instrumental in bringing people to a knowledge of the truth by the power of the Holy Ghost (see Moroni 10:3–5).

Examples of the types of corrections or changes made in early editions of the Book of Mormon (excluding punctuation) are shown in the table below. In 1879, with the blessing of the First Presidency, Elder Orson Pratt of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles produced an edition with more chapter divisions and with versification that has continued in all subsequent editions. He also added footnotes and made some changes in spelling and grammar.

In 1920 President Heber J. Grant assigned a committee headed by Elder James E. Talmage of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to create a new edition that would correct a few errors made in previous editions. This new edition was formatted in double-column pages, with chapter headings, chronological data, revised footnote references, a pronouncing guide, and an index. Punctuation and capitalization were also revised.

The current edition (1981) includes extensive cross references, footnotes, and other study aids.

For more information, go here: http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=b10cd75ccbae7110VgnVCM100000176f620a____ and click on "Additional Information."

[Marleysdaddy]

i can answer your first question. Bear in mind that the book of mormon was written by prophets who lived on the continent that we now call america. Jesus was born and lived on the other side of the world.

Bethlehem is about six miles from jerusalem. That's pretty close. Furthermore, jerusalem was (is) a large city, bethlehem was a relatively small town. If you told me you were born in los angeles, but you were really born in burbank, i would think nothing of it, because from where i am, los angeles and burbank are basically the same place.

I do not see that as a contradiction.

qft

[noelle12]

qft

I just learned something new. (I googled QFT.)

[Marleysdaddy]

I just learned something new. (I googled QFT.)

I'm glad I could help ;)

[noelle12]

The prophecy to which you are referring is found in the Doctrine and Covenants section 130 verses 14-17 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130), quoted below.
14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.
16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.

Verse 15 says the word "if." That's a pretty important word, because Joseph did not live to the age of 85. Verse 16 indicates that Joseph did not know exactly what to understand from what he heard. I believe that this was not a prophecy, but rather an experience he had. His only prophecy here was that he (Joseph) did not think that the second coming would take place before 1890. He was right about that.

[Reeder]

The prophecy to which you are referring is found in the Doctrine and Covenants section 130 verses 14-17 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130), quoted below.


Verse 15 says the word "if." That's a pretty important word, because Joseph did not live to the age of 85. Verse 16 indicates that Joseph did not know exactly what to understand from what he heard. I believe that this was not a prophecy, but rather an experience he had. His only prophecy here was that he (Joseph) did not think that the second coming would take place before 1890. He was right about that.

I believe it was also the Lord's way of saying "get up off my back about this already because I aint gonna tell NOBODY!" :D

[noelle12]

You use the term: Jesus of the latter day saints. I think you made that one up, because I have never heard that term used before. I worship Jesus Christ, who was born of the virgin Mary, who is the Son of God, whose life and ministry I can read about in the New Testament.

I consider myself to be blessed to have a modern day prophet of God. His instruction has benefited me and my family. His counsel regarding the sanctity of the family (see The Family: A Proclamation to the World (http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=1aba862384d20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1&contentLocale=0)), the importance of getting out and staying out of debt and emergency preparedness are teachings that are extremely relevant to us today. The proclamation called "The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Apostles (http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d 82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=735b862384d20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____)" is a powerful witness to me of the divinity of Jesus Christ the Savior.

[noelle12]

I believe it was also the Lord's way of saying "get up off my back about this already because I aint gonna tell NOBODY!" :D

:)) I agree with you there.

[MobyMule]

These are questions I ask myself time and time again. I sometimes go to www.mormon.org (http://www.mormon.org) and ask these questions, but time and time again Mormons fail to answer them.

1. If The Book of Mormon is another book of God, then why would God contradict the Bible? God does not contradict himself/herself. It says in the Book of Mormon that Jesus was born in Jerusalem, when manuscripts and the Bible say that he was born in Bethlehem.

Alma 7:10 contradicts the Bible in Matt. 2:1

2. If the Book of Mormon is the most accurate book, then why has it been changed so many times? (punctual, structural, etc.)
eg:

1830 Edition of the Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 11:18 "And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of [. . . . ] God, after the manner of the flesh

1981 Edition of the Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 11:18 "And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh."*

*This is one of several changes, there are over 3,000 changes int the Book of Mormon


3. Joseph Smith gave several false prophecies, one being the second coming of Jesus Christ. Joseph prophecised that in 56 years (from 1825) Jesus would return and appear before men. This did not happen, for the year of 1891 came and Jesus did not come back. Therefore, if a prophet gives a false prophecy, and the prophet states that its a revelation from God, why would God give a false prophecy? He would'nt.

"But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 "And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," Deut. 18:20-22 (http://www.carm.org/kjv/Deut/Deut_18.htm#18)

I would like it if a Mormon could answer these questions. I know a little about mormanism, and what Mormons basic beliefs are. You say that you are Christians, but you reject many core Christian doctrine. In my conclusion, you do not worship the same Jesus of the Bible, but you worship the Jesus of the latter day saints. We dont need a modern day prophet, we dont need the Book of Mormon. All we need is God's only word, the Bible. We only need Jesus Christ. Thats it. Plain and simple.....


I will say this about your questions. You say they fail to answer them. I believe they just don't answer them to satisfy your preconcieved notions on what you believe the answer already to be. So don't patronize us.

[Teen_Conservative]

Ok, then if Joseph Smith did have the power of God when translated it then. What about Islam? Mohammed? The Quaran? That could've been written by man. Man has the capabilities of writing a "Book of Mormon". It funny how alot of the stuff is almost the exact same thing of the Bible. All you would have to do is put it into your own words. The questions I ask I want answers. I've done research and found some, but these questions I need answers. They dont make sense.

[Teen_Conservative]

What is also interesting is there is a golden statue ontop of the Mormon temple, but there is only a small marble statue inside the temple.

[Marleysdaddy]

It funny how alot of the stuff is almost the exact same thing of the Bible.

It's also funny how books that precede the Bible say almost the exact same things :))

[Reeder]

What is also interesting is there is a golden statue ontop of the Mormon temple, but there is only a small marble statue inside the temple.

Huh? :confused:

[noelle12]

Ok, then if Joseph Smith did have the power of God when translated it then. What about Islam? Mohammed? The Quaran? That could've been written by man. Man has the capabilities of writing a "Book of Mormon". It funny how a lot of the stuff is almost the exact same thing of the Bible. All you would have to do is put it into your own words. The questions I ask I want answers. I've done research and found some, but these questions I need answers. They don't make sense.

I'm sorry if my answers didn't satisfy you.