UFC/MMA Fan Thread.

[Fire Watch]

Anyone watching? I'm loving the fact that the contestants have to fight their way onto the show this season.

[Fire Watch]

I cant believe no one else is watching this.

[thr3]

NOt started over here yet.

[scipio337]

I didn't care for the new format too much. I really didn't think any of those fights were spectacular. Most of the fights were downright sloppy, as Forrest and Rampage were pointing out.

I usually love TUF, but I'm not very excited about next week's episode.

[Fire Watch]

I'm interested in seeing the knock-out they were hyping.

[sgtmac_46]

Anyone watching? I'm loving the fact that the contestants have to fight their way onto the show this season.
THAT is a good change!

[Fire Watch]

I enjoyed last nights episode. It's cool seeing the man behind the scowl when it comes to Rampage Jackson..he has a great sense of humor.

[bj2745]

At least they're going to have a fight worth the hype at the end of it.

[Fire Watch]

+1, a hell of a match up.

[Pleasantly Blue]

but I have it on the dvr, I am pretty pschyed that its back. Last year was somewhat lacking though. I hope this year will be better. Hey you know what I wish would come back & thats BullRun that show was so freaken awesome I hope there is a season 2....:mrgreen:

[scipio337]

I enjoyed last nights episode. It's cool seeing the man behind the scowl when it comes to Rampage Jackson..he has a great sense of humor.He was pretty funny!

I just thought the fights were way too sloppy. Part of what I liked about TUF was that these guys had at least some experience, or at least most of the fights were edited to look polished. I kept flipping back and forth between something else, and kept thinking "I could see this crap at a local bar on any given Friday".

Hopefully, the rest of the series will be as good as the others.

It wasn't a good Fight Night for some TUF alums. I was surprised to see Parisyan lose.

[Fire Watch]

What a knock-out:eek:

Dude was on another planet.

[Fire Watch]

Here's the video http://ballhype.com/video/the_ultimate_fighter_most_brutal_knockout/

[Fire Watch]

I gots me a new sig and I'm waiting for TUF to start.

[Fire Watch]

Dude has herpes.

[scipio337]

:))

Felt bad for him, though. Would they let you fight with a cold sore? Griffin quoting Shakespeare, WTH?

[Fire Watch]

Yeah, that through me off a bit..at least he admitted he had no idea what Shakespeare meant :))


I dont imagine a cold sore would be an issue, unless you're trying to get a tongue-bar on the guy..

[Ignotus]

Click the following link to see Rampage doing a hilarious imitation of Chuck Liddell's goofy post fight victory pose...
http://i2.tinypic.com/6o4b5mx.gif

[Fire Watch]

good stuff..TUF is on.

[Ninjacorpse]

Alright hannity forums ultimate fighter tournament. *takes out old dusty glove slaps firewatch* you sir i challenge you to a duel lol. (=)

[Fire Watch]

Team Rampage got robbed.

[scipio337]

Team Rampage got robbed.The mohawk dude lost? Say it ain't so!

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Team Rampage got robbed.

Without a doubt Rick. I also think that when it comes down to something so close that the team that is behind should get the call, otherwise call it a draw. That cat even flipped that guy off him while on his back which is very hard to do. I understand why Quinton when on a Rampage. So far this year's TUF has been a let down for me. Yes, some good fights but it has been hard to get to know the fighters like before. I like them having to fight to get into the House, but it should have went a little faster. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

The UFC has cut former UFC lightweight contender Din Thomas (22-8 MMA, 5-4 UFC), "The Ultimate Fighter 6" runner-up Tommy Speer (9-3 MMA, 0-2 UFC) and Shooto veteran Kuniyoshi Hironaka (11-5 MMA, 1-3 UFC) from its roster of fighters.


The news was reported in this week's print edition of the Wrestling Observer.

The three fighters are the latest casualties as the UFC continues to cut its roster by a reported 25 percent

Other fighters dropped from their UFC contracts over the past month include Joe Doerksen, Travis Lutter, Charles McCarthy, Jake O'Brien and Kalib Starnes. Additionally, numerous cast members from "The Ultimate Fighter 6" were cut earlier this year, and the majority of cast members from the current season of "TUF" will be released from the organization next month.

UFC officials have recently stated that they want to trim the roster to assure fighters can be scheduled more frequently and to avoid long layoffs between fights.


Personally, I think it's a good idea. Cut out the boring riff raff, get the more dynamic fighters into a heavier rotation.

[Fire Watch]

GREAT fights last night! How about that face kick for the KO?

[scipio337]

GREAT fights last night! How about that face kick for the KO?Man, I couldn't stand that Jeremy May punk. The second fight was like watching two cavemen go toe to toe, but it was pretty damn entertaining.

I'm sad to see Tommy Speer get cut, but he really got schooled in his last fight.

[Fire Watch]

UFC fighter Chris Leben, who turned himself in to Clackamas County officials in Portland, Oregon, last week, went before a judge on Thursday for sentencing for his probation violation case.

According to Clackamas County Court officials, Leben’s probation was revoked and he was sentenced to 35-days in jail. With credit given for time already served, his release would come at the end of May, putting his release inside of two weeks prior to a scheduled bout against Michael Bisping at UFC 85 in London.

Following the completion of his jail time, Leben will be clear of his probation, which stems from a DUI arrest in 2005.

“When Chris moved to Hawaii, he was in the process of completing classes for his probation on an old DUI in Portland, Oregon,” said Leben’s friend and employer Thompson in an email to MMAWeekly.com last week. “We worked hard to get his probation transferred to Hawaii, but were unsuccessful.”

Knowing that he had to acquire a visa to travel to England to face Bisping, Leben had no choice but to turn himself in for violating his probation. According to Thompson, “He immediately flew to Oregon and turned himself in on the probation violation.”

With his release date being so close to the time of the proposed fight with Bisping, it is highly unlikely that Leben would be prepared for the bout. However, neither Thompson nor UFC officials were available for comment at the time of publication.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6235&zoneid=2

[Bolshevik Hunter]

UFC fighter Chris Leben, who turned himself in to Clackamas County officials in Portland, Oregon, last week, went before a judge on Thursday for sentencing for his probation violation case.

Yeah, Chris is a tuff kid but 2 weeks isn't gonna get him prepared to face Bisping. I believe even if he was at his best, Mike would still dominate the fight and win. Leben doesn't need another loss, that might get him knocked out of the UFC. Maybe this will end up helping him if he can't fight. ~BH

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[Goyim777]

This season is boring, except the knockout and broken jaw. Rampage is going to own Forrest.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

This season is boring, except the knockout and broken jaw. Rampage is going to own Forrest.

Yeah, yuh know it kind of is. I have watched every Season and this is by far the worse so far. If not for Quinton's entertainment it would be a dud. I mean, there have been a few good fights, but I also feel like I barely know the fighters because they hardly ever show them in the house. Also, I liked the old house better. All the history there made it classic.

I don't think Forest has much of a chance against Quinton either. Quinton has so much more experience coming from Pride. Plus, he has almost twice as many fights. Anything can happen though inside the Octagon. ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Apparently, It has just been reported that Frank Mir and Rodrigo Nogueira will be the Coaches for the upcoming Ultimate Fighter 8 next fall. I guess TUF is keeping up with their latest tradition of ruining the once great show. The Coaches should be Liddel and Evans or maybe Penn and Sherk in a rematch after whoever wins this weekend. What? Rodrigo Nogueira? LOL!!!!! who has won 2 ****ing fights in the UFC? And now gets a shot at Coaching TUF over all the others? Yeah I know his over-all MMA record is 34-4-1 and that he is a bad ass but this is Bullcrap in my opinion. This is the UFC and he has onlu beating Silvia and Herring. He's not a big name so they are taking a big chance with this one. I can think of many others who deserve it first. Sorry bro, but I think that this is a big mistake Dana. ;) ~BH

Mir and Nogueira to Coach Tuf 8
http://www.mmaringreport.com/tv/the-ultimate-fighter/tuf-8-coaches-announced.html

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[Fire Watch]

Nogueira has a great record in MMA..yeah, only 2 fights in the UFC..then again..Rampage didnt have that many UFC fights under his belt either before being annouced as a coach.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Nogueira has a great record in MMA..yeah, only 2 fights in the UFC..then again..Rampage didnt have that many UFC fights under his belt either before being annouced as a coach.

I know what you are saying Rick but I think they should change it myself. Hey, he is a bad ass without a doubt, but that Weight class is kind of dying right now in the UFC. I just think it could have been better with other weight class Coaches. I guess they do owe it a slot though. Too bad it isn't Couture and Mir. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Quinton is the champ. Of course he deserves to be a coach. Aside from that if it wasn't for his antics on the current season, this season wouldn't even be worth watching. That whole net incident was funny. The way he played it up and talked about being netted in a sarcastic kinda way was hilarious. His sense of humor makes that show. Forrest is a dud. I hope he gets planted.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Quinton is the champ. Of course he deserves to be a coach. Aside from that if it wasn't for his antics on the current season, this season wouldn't even be worth watching. That whole net incident was funny. The way he played it up and talked about being netted in a sarcastic kinda way was hilarious. His sense of humor makes that show. Forrest is a dud. I hope he gets planted.

Exactly my feelings FAM, minus the Forest is a dud comment. I think he is a strong athlete but we agree that he can't hold off Rampage though. I respect any Man who steps into the Octagon. But yeah, Quinton is the only reason I am even waiting for the weekly TUF on Wednesday nights this year as well. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Quinton is a character. Great attitude, great sense of humor. And a great fighter. Not a meathead. The best kind of fighter, imo.

[scipio337]

I know what you are saying Rick but I think they should change it myself. Hey, he is a bad ass without a doubt, but that Weight class is kind of dying right now in the UFC. I just think it could have been better with other weight class Coaches. I guess they do owe it a slot though. Too bad it isn't Couture and Mir. ~BH

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/Sports%20Images/top_041.jpgGood point, although I've heard good things about Shane Carwin. I hope to see the HW class rebound.

Pretty stoked for this weekend's fight, but I'll be out of town. I'll have to see if I can find a bar that carries UFC 84

[Fire Watch]

UFC Unleashed is on, followed by TUF.

[scipio337]

First fight was lame. Second fight rocked! I was surprised Amir survived that test, and am sorry to see Matt Brown go, but both are quality fighters.

I'm interested to see next week's CB Dollaway fight. I can't decide if he's the favorite to win the whole thing, or a total putz. Referring to himself in the 3rd person is helping much.

[Fire Watch]

CB is a putz and the most talented guy there unfortunately. I wasnt as impressed with Brown as I had hoped to be. All the hype about him being "an animal" and "bloodthirsty" just didnt pan out IMO.

[newhorizon]

I am a fan, have been for about 3 years. Next weeks show should be a good one. I can't to see the Griffin vs Rampage fight. Is that a title fight? Didn't forrest get beat up pretty handily by the dean of mean? Are there not any other fighters that are legitimate contenders?

[Divinity]

I am a fan, have been for about 3 years. Next weeks show should be a good one. I can't to see the Griffin vs Rampage fight. Is that a title fight? Didn't forrest get beat up pretty handily by the dean of mean? Are there not any other fighters that are legitimate contenders?

There's many others that deserved a shot over Griffin, but Griffin makes it a good fight despite who he faces so it should be decent I guess. If Griffin wins, he will have come from nothing and gained everything. He was living in a garage or a basement like three years ago. Good for him.

[scipio337]

CB is a putz and the most talented guy there unfortunately. I wasnt as impressed with Brown as I had hoped to be. All the hype about him being "an animal" and "bloodthirsty" just didnt pan out IMO.Good point. he seemed awfully nice for a bloodthirsty animal.

[Fire Watch]

UFC 85 results

Catchweight (175 lbs): Thiago Alves (21-4) def. Matt Hughes (43-7)
Middleweights: Michael Bisping (17-1) def. Jason Day (17-6)
Welterweights: Mike Swick (12-2) def. Marcus Davis (19-5)
Middleweights: Thales Leites (13-1) def. Nate Marquardt (29-8-1)
Heavyweights: Fabricio Werdum (11-3-1) def. Brandon Vera (8-2)
Middleweights: Martin Kampmann (13-1) def. Jorge Rivera (15-7)
Welterweights: Matt Wiman (10-3) def. Thiago Tavares (17-2)
Welterweights: Kevin Burns (7-1) def. Roan Carneiro (13-6)
Light heavyweights: Luiz Cane (9-1) def. Jason Lambert (23-8)
Welterweights: Paul Taylor (9-3-1) def. Jess Liaudin (12-10)
Heavyweights: Antoni Hardonk (7-4) def. Eddie Sanchez (10-2).

[FidelisAdMortem]

That was a weak UFC card. Thiago failed to make weight. Then after the fight hes babbling about a titleshot. Newsflash Alves if you can't make weight you wont be seeing a title shot anytime soon.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

That was a weak UFC card. Thiago failed to make weight. Then after the fight hes babbling about a titleshot. Newsflash Alves if you can't make weight you wont be seeing a title shot anytime soon.

I agree. Weakest card yet in my opinion. I hated to see Hughe's go down like that but like I said before I think he has reached his end. Hopefully, we all will get to watch him beat Matt Serra before he retires. The rest of the fights, other than Swick's and Bisping's were sad. Even those two were not the greatest match ups to watch. UFC 84 two weeks ago made UFC 85 look like a night of Don King Boxing. ~BH

[Ignotus]

I thought the card was great, it was nice seeing Hughes get exposed for the second time. The guy has talent, he's just too one dimensional and predictable.

I was also really happy for Werdum, he is just plowing through the top UFC guys since his close decision loss to Arlovski. If he improves his take downs and stand up, he will be tough to beat. Some might complain about the stoppage, but I think it would have ended shortly regardless, Vera wasn't doing anything to improve his position. Werdum is a beast on the ground, even Gonzaga (who is an ADCC champ) didn't want to have anything to do with him on the ground.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I thought the card was great, it was nice seeing Hughes get exposed for the second time. The guy has talent, he's just too one dimensional and predictable.

I was also really happy for Werdum, he is just plowing through the top UFC guys since his close decision loss to Arlovski. If he improves his take downs and stand up, he will be tough to beat. Some might complain about the stoppage, but I think it would have ended shortly regardless, Vera wasn't doing anything to improve his position. Werdum is a beast on the ground, even Gonzaga (who is an ADCC champ) didn't want to have anything to do with him on the ground.

For once you and I agree Ig. Hughes is predictable, even though he is a great champion. All anyone has to do is look at his record. I respect Matt alot and I hated to see him go down like that, but he lost to a better, younger buck. However, even Alves mentioned in his press conference that in the back of his head he was going to try a flying knee right before Hughes attempted a take down, so yes maybe you are correct. I think you might be bro.

Again, I agree. Gonzaga is a pro, and he didn't even want any of Werdum. I am gald Werdum won. I never cared for Vera, and I knew he was gonna be knocked off his stool. Good to hear from you bro. Best wishes. ~BH

[scipio337]

I think calling Hughes "predictable" or "one dimensional" is a bit of a stretch. Great wrestling and ground and pound, good standup, and his strength allows for great submission defense. I think the problem may be mental, or diminshed skills with age. Alves has lost to someone with a similar skill set, Jon Fitch.

85 was a scheduling mess with the number of injury dropouts. The Liddell/Rua fight was dropped when Rua had knee surgery, and Rashad Evans was named as the Rua replacement. Then the Liddell/Evans was switched up when Liddell pulled a hammy, and James Irvin named as Liddell's replacement. Then the Evans/Irvin fight was dropped entirely when Irvin broke his foot, and changed to Hughes/Alves. I'm a Hughes fan, but even a non-fan can respect the way Hughes has stepped up to the plate every time the UFC has called, even when Alves didn't make weight and was a third of the way into the light heavyweight division, weight-wise.

There are plenty of older fighters doing well, Liddell and Coture immediately come to mind. I'm not sure if Hughes problem is mental or physical, but I'd like to see him beat Serra like a red-headed stepchild, and ride off into the sunset.

[newhorizon]

even when Alves didn't make weight and was a third of the way into the light heavyweight division, weight-wise.


Alves weighing in at 174 lbs put him nearly a third way into the middleweight division. The light heavyweights are the 205 pounders. I don't think 4lbs made a difference in the fight. I would have liked to see Matt win, but maybe his time has passed to be a UFC champion.

[Fire Watch]

Alves weighing in at 174 lbs put him nearly a third way into the middleweight division. The light heavyweights are the 205 pounders. I don't think 4lbs made a difference in the fight. I would have liked to see Matt win, but maybe his time has passed to be a UFC champion.
That was the weigh in. You know he was well above 174 at fight time.

[newhorizon]

That was the weigh in. You know he was well above 174 at fight time.

Matt could have been too. Who knows?

[Ignotus]

Matt could have been too. Who knows?

Matt cuts a lot of weight, he was probably 185lbs+- at fight time. I wouldn't be surprised if he was 200ish during the middle of his training camp. Rich Franklin is sometimes over 200lbs when he actually fights even though he is in the 185lb division. I don't have the sources with me now, but most of the fighters have openly admited that they cut a lot of weight. Cutting over 10 lbs isn't uncommon at all.

I don't think the 4 lbs was that big of a deal, I bet he just had problems cutting the weight due to his ankle injury.

[Ignotus]

I think calling Hughes "predictable" or "one dimensional" is a bit of a stretch. Great wrestling and ground and pound, good standup, and his strength allows for great submission defense.

Sorry bud, but his standup is atrocious. Even an aging Royce Gracie was landing strikes on him, and Royce is the furthest thing from a striker. Someone with Hughes wrestling ability and even mediocre striking could have put Royce away standing.

You acurately described GSP though, he actually has the whole package. However, I think there are better strikers at that weight.

[Ignotus]

Alves has lost to someone with a similar skill set, Jon Fitch.

He's only around 25-26 years old now, that fight took place 2 years ago. He's improved his takedown defense and ground game considerably.

Look at GSP's first loss to Hughes, he was around the same age as Alves was when he lost to Fitch. Fighters are able to pick up techniques rather quickly in their early 20s.


PS- This doesn't mean I think Alves is unbeatable or even the best in the weight class.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Alves weighing in at 174 lbs put him nearly a third way into the middleweight division. The light heavyweights are the 205 pounders. I don't think 4lbs made a difference in the fight. I would have liked to see Matt win, but maybe his time has passed to be a UFC champion.

I'm big on making weight. For me, when you dont make weight, you disrepect yourself and you disrespect the sport. Thats my personal opinion on that.

[FidelisAdMortem]

You acurately described GSP though, he actually has the whole package. However, I think there are better strikers at that weight.

I see GSP losing his title soon.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Anyone excited about the Affliction Card in July? That card is stacked.

I'm hoping most MMA fans here watch MMA other than the UFC.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Affliction Banned - July19th on PPV.

Main Card: Pay-Per-View
-Fedor Emelianenko (#1 Heavyweight in the World) vs. Tim Sylvia (#5 Heavyweight in the World)
-Andre Arlovski vs Ben Rothwell
-Josh Barnett (#4 Heavyweight in the World) vs. Pedro Rizzo
-Matt Lindland vs. Fabio Negao
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Mike Whitehead

Undercard: Fox Sports Net:
-Aleksander Emelianenko (#10 Heavyweight in the World) vs. Paul Buentello
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Vernon "Tiger" White

Preliminary Bouts:
-Vitor Belfort vs. Terry Martin (May Not Be Televised)
-Trenell "Savant" Young vs. Mark Hominick (May Not Be Televised)
-Mike Pyle vs. J.J. Ambrose (May Not Be Televised)
-Justin Levens vs. Ray Lazama (May Not Be Televised)

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Alves weighing in at 174 lbs put him nearly a third way into the middleweight division. The light heavyweights are the 205 pounders. I don't think 4lbs made a difference in the fight. I would have liked to see Matt win, but maybe his time has passed to be a UFC champion.

I think Scip meant The MiddleWeight division, whatever. It will be nice to see Matt dump Serra on his head though, and I believe he will do it. Yeah, with the Weight class filling with so many young bucks, Matt's days might be near the end. I hope not, because I like watching him fight. Couture has proved that anyone can turn it around if they train hard enough. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

Anyone excited about the Affliction Card in July? That card is stacked.

I'm hoping most MMA fans here watch MMA other than the UFC.
Cant wait.

[Fire Watch]

I think Scip meant The MiddleWeight division, whatever. It will be nice to see Matt dump Serra on his head though, and I believe he will do it. Yeah, with the Weight class filling with so many young bucks, Matt's days might be near the end. I hope not, because I like watching him fight. Couture has proved that anyone can turn it around if they train hard enough. ~BH

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Hughes was/is good..but it doesnt matter how good someone is, if you dont change your style and add to your repertoire, you will get beat. Fighters train to beat the fighter they're up against..if you never change, it's gets easier to train to beat you with every fight.

[Stuball]

why does the thread title sound like something from the WWE?

[Fire Watch]

Because you just dont know.

[Stuball]

Because you just dont know.
I dont want to know:cool:

[Fire Watch]

Back to Syrnia girlie man.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Hughes is predictable. He doesn't changle his style. Hes slowed considerately throughout the years as well. Difference between him and Randy when Randy Fought Tim and beat Tim is that Randy beat Tim punch for punch on their feet mostly. Hughes ground game has suffered with age and the younger guys are able to take the old man at what he use to be able to take others at. His time has come. I predict retirement after he battles Serra. If not, hes gonna end up like Shamrock, going out on the bottom rather than on top.

[Stuball]

Back to Syrnia girlie man.
I dont even fight there:)):)):)):))

[Fire Watch]

UFC unleashed is on Spike right now.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Yep, got it on. Then Tuf is on next.

[Fire Watch]

Damn Manny.

[Stuball]

UFC unleashed is on Spike right now.
Spike Lee?

[Fire Watch]

Spike Lee couldnt handle it.

[Fire Watch]

Lytle just owned that newbie.

[Fire Watch]

Forest dunked???? WTH? :))

[Stuball]

just another reality show

[Fire Watch]

Where people get to beat the **** outta each other.

[Stuball]

Where people get to beat the **** outta each other.
Stephanie was named Top Chef. That Lisa bit*h was a sore loser

[Fire Watch]

:)), I'm watching some guy get put to sleep right now with a choke.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Wow, All I seen was some Vegas style Tupac like shootout with Limos on the strip at the end of TUF with Dana White saying right after "he is out of the semi-finals and out of the UFC now", whatever and whoever that means??? Anybody got any News on this yet? ~BH

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[scipio337]

Wow, All I seen was some Vegas style Tupac like shootout with Limos on the strip at the end of TUF with Dana White saying right after "he is out of the semi-finals and out of the UFC now", whatever and whoever that means??? Anybody got any News on this yet? ~BH

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/Sports%20Images/top_041.jpgI gotta check out MMA junkie. Trying to keep people guessing as to who will win next week? Maybe more White sensationalism?




You're absolutely right, Rick, I've never seen an episode of Survivor in my life. American Idol? I'd rather perform a self-appendectomy with a rusty spoon. Road Rules and Real World marathons were a cause of frequent fistfights in my college apartment. The only reality show I can stomach is one where whe get the normal psuedo drama, ennui and general bitching, and then the contestants get to beat each other in a cage.


Unless you count "Survivorman" or "Sasuke" as "reality" shows. :))

[FidelisAdMortem]

I thought I heard Dana say out of the Finale. I have a feeling of who it is. I'm off to sherdog right now to check out their forums.

[Fire Watch]

I gotta check out MMA junkie. Trying to keep people guessing as to who will win next week? Maybe more White sensationalism?




You're absolutely right, Rick, I've never seen an episode of Survivor in my life. American Idol? I'd rather perform a self-appendectomy with a rusty spoon. Road Rules and Real World marathons were a cause of frequent fistfights in my college apartment. The only reality show I can stomach is one where whe get the normal psuedo drama, ennui and general bitching, and then the contestants get to beat each other in a cage.


Unless you count "Survivorman" or "Sasuke" as "reality" shows. :))

Hey, dont count out Survivorman, that's good ****.

[newhorizon]

What do you guys think about former San Shou fighter turned MMA fighter Cung Le? I remember seeing him on strikeforce doing San Shou, he always seemed to be embarrasing every oponent he faced. He has a 6-0 record in MMA and recently beat Frank Shamrock in the middleweight division. There are some good videos of him on youtube.

[Fire Watch]

Whoa. JT is a dumbass. I was happy to see CD get beat.

[scipio337]

But now he's back! He's an inherently unlikable guy.

[Fire Watch]

He really is. He had two wars last night though. Maybe that will change his attitude a bit.

[newhorizon]

Whoa. JT is a dumbass. I was happy to see CD get beat.

Yes he is! He needs to spend some time in AA. The first time I saw the preview for the show, I knew it was JT.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Amir is a warrior. I hope he takes it. CB is overrated.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Amir is a warrior. I hope he takes it. CB is overrated.

I was pushing for Tim to beat CB. I was thinking the whole 3rd round, flying knee! Flying knee!!!! CB was so tired and Tim could have knocked him out. I have alot of respect for Tim. I like that guy. I think Amir can beat CB again. I suggest many BJ Penn flying kicks. Stay out of the clinch because all that CB does is take you down.

JT? Good fighter, nice guy. Too bad he is a fool. Nothing worse than making the UFC look bad in Vegas. I could tell he was a little out there when it comes to commonsense. Tuff break kid. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

It couldnt have ended better. CB getting taken out in the same manner as the first time. Great stuff.

[scipio337]

He definately tapped. I was surprised they didn't interview CB afterwards at all. Congrats to Amir.

[Fire Watch]

I suspect they didn't interview him because everyone, including Dana recognizes that he's just a pompous ass.

[newhorizon]

It was a great night of fighting. I was glad to see Amir win so quickly, cb was definetly tapping.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Tapout is just that. One tap, two, three. Tap is a tap. I cant stand CB. I bet well see him again, hopefully not anytime soon.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Tapout is just that. One tap, two, three. Tap is a tap. I cant stand CB. I bet well see him again, hopefully not anytime soon.

They will give him a fight or two without a doubt. Tim deserves more in my opinion. Better well rounded fighter. ~BH

[Stavros]

Tapout is just that. One tap, two, three. Tap is a tap. I cant stand CB. I bet well see him again, hopefully not anytime soon.

I dont understand how you cab think you are all that and you have not even one fight in the UFC

[FidelisAdMortem]

I dont understand how you cab think you are all that and you have not even one fight in the UFC

What are you talking about? I dont need to have a fight in the UFC to know the rules of the ring.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/1550.gif ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

What are you talking about? I dont need to have a fight in the UFC to know the rules of the ring.
He was talking about CB.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

What are you talking about? I dont need to have a fight in the UFC to know the rules of the ring.

Fedelis, I think Firewatch is correct. Stav was talking about CB. Honest forum misunderstanding that happens frequently on the net. Something I would fall victim to with my temper as well. Anyway, That CB was an idiot. He should learn to show honor like Tim Coture did. The look on his face everytime the camera was on him was a look of arrogance. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

I wasn't angry at him, I honestly didn't know what he was talking about.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Rumor has it JT is on the next fight night card in July.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I wasn't angry at him, I honestly didn't know what he was talking about.

Fidelis, No big deal my friend. Now let's get back to discussing Men beating other Men's heads in, shall we? Looking forward to July 5th, that's all I know! ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Rumor has it JT is on the next fight night card in July.

What? Are you serious bro? ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

UFC Unleashed is on. Some older fights, but good ones.

[FidelisAdMortem]

What? Are you serious bro? ~BH

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My info is always good. I'm in the loop. I'm dead serious. Unconfirmed, but heard soon will be confirmed.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

UFC Unleashed is on. Some older fights, but good ones.

Watchin it too Ricky! ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

My info is always good. I'm in the loop. I'm dead serious. Unconfirmed, but heard soon will be confirmed.

Fidelis, Your talking JT correct? Vegas LimO nut-case? Not CB right? ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Yes, JT.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Yes, JT.

So much for Dana White setting an example. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

He told him to see him in a couple months. Maybe he did. Anyways, I'm sick of the tired ol' wrestling ground and pound with nothing else incorporated style of fighting. So I could really go without him and CB.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

He told him to see him in a couple months. Maybe he did. Anyways, I'm sick of the tired ol' wrestling ground and pound with nothing else incorporated style of fighting. So I could really go without him and CB.

I hear yuh, I would rather watch 'the Prodigy' BJ Penn, who is a master on the ground, throw a flying knee kick into Sean Sherk's melon. ;) ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Some good reading for UFC fans here. Matt Riddle on Jessie Taylor's future in the UFC after his Vegas issue, his win over Dante 'the over-confident' Rivera and his not alone disgust for fellow TUF roomate Jeremy May.

MMA Junkie .com ~ 'Matt Riddle Interview'
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4662/unruly-jesse-taylor-just-part-of-the-tuf-experience-for-matthew-riddle.mma

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

And another thing..................In the TUF finale last week, which is also being re-aired tonight on Spike, it was nice to see Dante Rivera get his ass kicked by a young buck named Matt Riddle. Riddle is young and still has alot to learn, but after listening to all the talk from Dante inside the TUF house it was nice to see Riddle show him who has the bigger balls. Rivera still is a good fighter though. I just think Riddle might have a future in the UFC. He's a tuff kid. Of Course, Tim beating him showed how much heart he has. On tape Tim was our-matched as far as physical make up. Tim without a doubt buried riddle with his experience. It's one of the best fights of the shows Season. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

According to Dana White earliest we will see JT in the UFC is 2009.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

According to Dana White earliest we will see JT in the UFC is 2009.


Fidelis, Any opinions on Anderson Silva moving up to 205 against James Irvin? As much as I respect Silva, I think it's a big mistake for his career to move up to 205 (light-heavyweight). I think Irvin will beat him, and if he is lucky enough to beat Irvin, which is possible for a fighter such as Silva, then he will never compete with a Rampage Jackson or Liddel. Hell, Evan's or Griffin will crush him I think. He simply doesn't have the power to take on those guys. His only hope is the clinch. Middle Weight to Light-Heavyweight is not the same as Welter weight to Lightweight. His body style doesn't fit it. If I am wrong, I expect to get my balls busted here without a doubt. I won't be wrong though. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

You might be wrong, silva has been known to walk around at a comfortable 220 mark, and cuts drastically for this title fights. So one might argue he has to cut even less for this fight.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

You might be wrong, silva has been known to walk around at a comfortable 220 mark, and cuts drastically for this title fights. So one might argue he has to cut even less for this fight.

Yep, I might just be. I doubt it though bro. We will see.

Irvin is one thing, but can anyone imagine Silva against Rampage or Liddel? Hell, James Irvin knocked out Houston Alexander. I will say that after watching Silva defeat Dan Henderson, the Man can do anything if he puts his mind to it. So you could be correct my friend. I never thought Silva would beat Henderson, but he did. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

James Irvin is hardly on the top of the MMA rank and file.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

James Irvin is hardly on the top of the MMA rank and file.

I know that bro. He does have 10 fights in the UFC though. Guys got knock out power for sure. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

I hear ya, I just think you're giving him a bit more credit than is warranted. You have a subpar fighter fighting a world class p4p best in their weightclass champion. I know hes moving up weight, but I hardly believe that will play a factor and I sure hope it doesn't. I'm a huge silva fan. I want nothing but domination from that guy.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I hear ya, I just think you're giving him a bit more credit than is warranted. You have a subpar fighter fighting a world class p4p best in their weightclass champion. I know hes moving up weight, but I hardly believe that will play a factor and I sure hope it doesn't. I'm a huge silva fan. I want nothing but domination from that guy.

Well, Like I said, I respect the guy alot (Silva), and him beating Henderson pretty much makes you correct. There is more chance that he wins than him losing. Against Rampage or a Liddel? That is another mattter. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Well, Like I said, I respect the guy alot (Silva), and him beating Henderson pretty much makes you correct. There is more chance that he wins than him losing. Against Rampage or a Liddel? That is another mattter. ~BH

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He would punish Liddel.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

He would punish Liddel.

LOL!!!!!! I beg to differ bro. Are you smokin what you confiscated Fidelis? Liddel's style would be perfect against him. A very talented, experienced kickboxer. I will say that Silva could stand with him for awhile, atleast until Chuck knocked him out. We very well could see a fight like that happen if were lucky.

I was thinking, if Dana White didn't hate Kimbo so much, it would be classic to watch Brock Lesnar vs. Kimbo Slice. Not my brand of MMA but Just for fun anyway. It would be sold out that is for sure. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Have you watch Liddel in the past 1-2 years?

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Have you watch Liddel in the past 1-2 years?

What do you think?

Fact is, Great fighters hit slumps. Look at Couture, he lost to Liddel twice but came back and accomplished what no other fighter in UFC history had done. Yes, Liddel might not come back. It remains to be seen. Beating Evan's will not really convince me either because all he does is run like Floyd Mayweather boxing. If he can beat Rampage, that is if Griffin loses, then that would prove he is back. It's gonna be some time before we know if he is heading down the same road as Matt Hughes. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Liddel is the next Hughes. Rashad is going to make sure of it.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Liddel is the next Hughes. Rashad is going to make sure of it.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Liddel the former All State Wrestler? Ok Fidelis, how about this? If and after Rashad Evans wins, which he won't, I will switch my signature for one week exactly to 'UFC Rashad Evans is my hero', ok?

However, if Liddel wins, which he surely will without a doubt, for one full week from that date, as your signature, you will have 'UFC Chuck Liddel is my hero', ok?

Pretty fair if you stand by your prediction? How about it bro? ;) ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Liddel the former All State Wrestler? Ok Fidelis, how about this? If and after Rashad Evans wins, which he won't, I will switch my signature for one week exactly to 'UFC Rashad Evans is my hero', ok?

However, if Liddel wins, which he surely will without a doubt, for one full week from that date, as your signature, you will have 'UFC Chuck Liddel is my hero', ok?

Pretty fair if you stand by your prediction? How about it bro? ;) ~BH

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You got it. Consider this a friendly bet. This isn't going to happen until September, so dont forget.

Heh, you excited about this saturday? Alot of flyby fans wont recognize alot of the names, but to me this card is stacked with good fighters. I have Rampage destroying Forrest. Your take?

[Bolshevik Hunter]

You got it. Consider this a friendly bet. This isn't going to happen until September, so dont forget.

I won't.

Heh, you excited about this saturday? Alot of flyby fans wont recognize alot of the names, but to me this card is stacked with good fighters. I have Rampage destroying Forrest. Your take?

Yeah, it's going to be a great weekend. The 4th on Friday. UFC on Saturday night, you gotta Love the USA!

It is stacked, alot of good fights. I pretty much expect Rampage to do the same, but anything is possible and Griffin is a banger. I just don't see him overpowering Quinton though. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

I was right. Get ready for JT vs CB July 19.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AoHxZZ1_M7SkGvJ2h_sv8Ac9Eo14?slug=ki-mmamailbag070108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Fire Watch]

Interesting.

[scipio337]

Two wrestlers facing off? Could be.

Does anyone outside of the greater NYC/Jersey region actually like Matt Serra?

Serra calls out Hughes (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AjixcsoPxtpiADuHUekxfKM9Eo14?slug=ys-mmaweekms063008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[newhorizon]

Two wrestlers facing off? Could be.

Does anyone outside of the greater NYC/Jersey region actually like Matt Serra?

Serra calls out Hughes (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AjixcsoPxtpiADuHUekxfKM9Eo14?slug=ys-mmaweekms063008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

I am from NM and I gained a great respect for him on TUF. I started the watching the show rooting for Hughes and ended the show rooting for Serra. He seemed to care more about the fighters and did more to help them win than Hughes. Hughes seemed like the ****y Jock and Serra just seemed more like a friend.

It should be a good fight. I do expect Hughes to win, but I would love to see Serra knock him out. Neither one will ever be the UFC welterweight champ again IMO.

[Fire Watch]

Serra is a little bitch.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Serra is a little bitch.

He would own you on the ground. I welcome you to come train with us in East Meadow. My hometown.

[scipio337]

He would own you on the ground. I welcome you to come train with us in East Meadow. My hometown.

I guess I was right about the NY/NJ gonnection. :))

[FidelisAdMortem]

I guess I was right about the NY/NJ gonnection. :))

I'm actually switching camps this month. Serras prices are just too much now.

[Fire Watch]

UFC 86 live results..

Melvin Guillard defeats Dennis Siver via TKO (Strikes) Round 1
Justin Buchholz defeats Corey Hill via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Round 2

Still to come..

UFC Light Heavyweight Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin
Patrick Cote vs. Ricardo Almeida
Joe Stevenson vs. Gleison Tibau
Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Lytle
Tyson Griffin vs. Marcus Aurelio
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Justin McCully
Cole Miller vs. Jorge Gurgel

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Serra is a little bitch.

He is, but the bitch can bang. I hated the guy until I watched a past fight of his in UFC 53 against Karo Parisyan. Serra lost, but he earned my respect as a fighter after that. It's a great fight. Serra can't beat Hughes though. Parisyan was throwing him around pretty easy, so Matt is gonna most likely dump him on his head.

Rick? I am showing UFC 86 starting at 6:30 pm Pacific Western time. Your watching it already? ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

Rick? I am showing UFC 86 starting at 6:30 pm Pacific Western time. Your watching it already? ~BH


At work, so not watching..keeping up online though and over the phone.

http://mmamania.com/2008/06/26/ufc-86-results-and-live-fight-coverage-for-jackson-vs-griffin-ppv-event/

[Fire Watch]

Cole Miller defeats Jorge Gurgel via submission (triangle choke) in round three

[Fire Watch]

Gabriel Gonzaga defeats Justin McCully via Submission (Kimura) Round 1

[Fire Watch]

Tyson Griffin defeat Marcus Aurelio via Unanimous Decision

[Fire Watch]

Josh Koscheck defeats Chris Lytle via unanimous decison

[Fire Watch]

Joe Stevenson defeats Gleison Tibau via submission (guillotine choke) in round two

[Fire Watch]

Patrick Cote defeats Ricardo Almeida via split decision

[Fire Watch]

Final result:Forrest Griffin defeats Rampage Jackson by Unanimous Decision

Holy Crap.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Rampage didn't bring the bang. Let it go 5. Lost the decision. Didn't see that one coming. However considering that the LHW division is stacked with like 3-4 LHW contenders that either one is entitle to a title shot, I don't believe Forrest is going to be champ for long, unless Dana feeds him soft matches. And Dana White is a Forrest fan, so I can see that happening.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I am very suprised by the outcome, though I knew Forrest had a chance to win. I was pulling for him. Usually I hold the position that you have to take the belt away from the Champion. Meaning, you gotta knock him out or submit your opponet for 'me personally' to believe you won the fight.

However, Forrest clearly out-scored Quinton throughout the battle. He injured Quinton's knee in the 1st and 4th rounds, and he ground and pounded Rampage for the last half of the 1st, I believe it was. That ground and pound was an "ass woopin" like Rampage says, only it was him receiving it this time.

Another factor to Forrest winning the decision was that when both times Rampage got Forrest down, Forrest got back up and never got ground and pounded really other than the cut on his eye. Quinton never could get up with Griffin on top of him. So, in my mind Forrest won this fight. I still love Quinton's game, and I have alot of respect for his character and personality. I wish him the best, and he will be back. I hope Chuck beats Evan's so we can see Rampage vs. Evans and Chuck vs. Forrest. ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Nice change to the thread title Rick. I like it. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

It was time.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

It was time.

Rick, It's good too. Now we can just have one UFC / MMA thread for all MMA fights. It will be good for the representation of Mixed Martial Arts here at Hannity .com. I love it brother. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Onward to the Silva fight. BH, when you watch UFC on PPV, do you watch it in HD? If not, bro you gotta, what a ****ing difference. This PPV was my first time watching it in HD and oh man what a picture.

[Fire Watch]

http://judoinfo.com/discuss/uploads/post-10-1118361402.gif

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Onward to the Silva fight. BH, when you watch UFC on PPV, do you watch it in HD? If not, bro you gotta, what a ****ing difference. This PPV was my first time watching it in HD and oh man what a picture.

Fidelis, Actually for some reason Comcast PPV out here currently doesn't offer it in HD. I have HD, and I love it while watching NFL and other sports. Apparently they are working on it and when they offer it I will without a doubt use it. In regards to the close up action inside the Octagon, I am sure it's unbelievable. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Fidelis, Actually for some reason Comcast PPV out here currently doesn't offer it in HD. I have HD, and I love it while watching NFL and other sports. Apparently they are working on it and when they offer it I will without a doubt use it. In regards to the close up action inside the Octagon, I am sure it's unbelievable. ~BH

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Yup. And whats good about it, is the fact that cablevision here does not charge extra for PPV events in HD, nor do they charge extra for HD in general. Is comcast the same way?

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Yup. And whats good about it, is the fact that cablevision here does not charge extra for PPV events in HD, nor do they charge extra for HD in general. Is comcast the same way?

DVR and HD are $13.95 extra. Gotta love California. Anything they can nickle and dime you for. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

DVR and HD are $13.95 extra. Gotta love California. Anything they can nickle and dime you for. ~BH

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I opted out of the DVR. That would of cost extra. The bigthing here is the fact cablevision doesn't charge extra for HD like satellite does. Plus, they are about to add like 30 more HD channels by the end of the month, like discovery, spike, etc. I watch the WEC fights on VS HD. Awsome.

[PheonixOps]

THAT is a good change!

I agree, that is definitely a good change!

[PheonixOps]

He would own you on the ground. I welcome you to come train with us in East Meadow. My hometown.

Matt Serra is a pretty tough guy.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I opted out of the DVR. That would of cost extra. The bigthing here is the fact cablevision doesn't charge extra for HD like satellite does. Plus, they are about to add like 30 more HD channels by the end of the month, like discovery, spike, etc. I watch the WEC fights on VS HD. Awsome.

The DVR is worth it though. Then you can record the fights and watch them later. Like the pre-lims that I miss sometimes while cooking or talking and drinking cold suds with friends. I watched the main event again last night. Couldn't live without it in regards to TUF. ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

The DVR is worth it though. Then you can record the fights and watch them later. Like the pre-lims that I miss sometimes while cooking or talking and drinking cold suds with friends. I watched the main event again last night. Couldn't live without it in regards to TUF. ~BH

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True you have a point. I'm just cheap when it comes to that sort of thing. If I want to watch the fights over again, I just go online and watch at a few video sites that carry MMA.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

True you have a point. I'm just cheap when it comes to that sort of thing. If I want to watch the fights over again, I just go online and watch at a few video sites that carry MMA.

That is true as well bro. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Crowds in Arkansas came for the lure of cage fighting and $1 beer, but police say what they got instead was men ripping each others' clothes off and kissing — a stunt suspected of being orchestrated by Sacha Baron Cohen of "Borat" fame.

"We had a contract for cage fighting. We were deceived," said Dwight Duncan, president and CEO of Four States Fair Grounds in Texarkana, where the first of two Arkansas fights raised suspicions last month.

Matt Labov, a Los Angeles-based publicist for Baron Cohen, said he had no comment Monday about the faked fights. One of Baron Cohen's movies is due out next year.

The day after the June 5 Texarkana bout, Fort Smith's convention center hosted "Blue Collar Brawlin.'" Fort Smith police Sgt. Adam Holland said organizers told him a character named "Straight Dave" would goad a planted audience member into the ring for a fight.

The two men would then wrestle, rip away some of their clothes and share a brief kiss reminiscent of one between Baron Cohen and Will Ferrell in the film "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby."

Producers said "there would be a romantic embrace," Holland said. "They said it was kind of to essentially make fun, poke fun at wrestling — two guys rolling around on the floor, all sweaty."

An elaborate array of mounted and handheld video cameras caught the crowd of 1,600's reaction as the two men "went right up to the line" of the city's morality laws, Holland said. The two men stripped down to their underwear, kissed and rubbed on each other, the sergeant said.

The audience, as well as local fighters drawn to take part in the show, became enraged. "It set the crowd off lobbing beers," Holland said. "They had beers in plastic cups. Those things can get some distance on them actually."

Holland said it took officers about 45 minutes to clear the convention center, as the two actors sprinted away through a specially set-aside tunnel.

Those in attendance were told by several signs on display that they'd be filmed, Holland said, and signed waivers before the event. Convention center sales director Karin Hobbs declined to name the event's sponsor Monday.

Baron Cohen became a national celebrity after his 2006 hit movie "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan," in which he played a bumbling reporter from the Central Asia nation.

News of the faked cage fights comes as Baron Cohen is in production of a movie titled "Bruno," named after the gay Austrian fashion reporter he developed for "Da Ali G Show." Baron Cohen, in the guise of Bruno, often interviewed hapless subjects in the South.

If the cage match visits came from Baron Cohen, it wouldn't be the first time Arkansas fell for a practical joke. In 2000, then-Gov. Mike Huckabee fell for a prank and congratulated Canada for preserving its icebound Parliament, calling it a "national igloo."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_en_mo/faked_fight_nights

[Fire Watch]

Arkansas cage fights turn gay for new Sacha Baron Cohen movie

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0708081bruno1.html

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Unbelievable. They should be charged with Lude behavior. ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Lyoto Machida ” I belive Quinton won”

MatRatz
http://www.matratz.com/2008/07/09/lyoto-machida-i-belive-quinton-won/

~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Chuck Liddell on possible future match against Anderson Silva at 205, and other subjects....

MatRatz
http://www.matratz.com/2008/07/08/q-a-with-chuck-liddell/

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~BH

[FidelisAdMortem]

Florians Fight Night is being reaired on Spike right now.

[Fire Watch]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Florians Fight Night is being reaired on Spike right now.

Yep, Only I got about 50 more minutes until my west coast ass can watch it. ;) ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

July 19 coming up soon!

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Old school Liddell fight. ~BH

http://www.cagepotato.com/

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[FidelisAdMortem]

He's old and hes going to be schooled come September.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

He's old and hes going to be schooled come September.

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Fidelis, So is Randy Couture. I'll remember you said that after 'Sugar' Rashad Evan's get's knocked the **** out. ;) ~BH

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[nikoloslvy]

not to get off topic but who was the russain dude who was supposed fight in some big event? i think coture droped out of the ufc to fight him.did that go down yet?

and now hear this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jJgg3XHLhs

[Bolshevik Hunter]

not to get off topic but who was the russain dude who was supposed fight in some big event? i think coture droped out of the ufc to fight him.did that go down yet?

and now hear this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jJgg3XHLhs

There was talk of him and Fedor but No, Randy still has contract obligations with The UFC. Only they are in dispute right now. ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Ooooooooof! This is very graphic.

Kick Boxing accident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw5sXT7K2dk&feature=related

~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

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Fidelis, So is Randy Couture. I'll remember you said that after 'Sugar' Rashad Evan's get's knocked the **** out. ;) ~BH

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I'll remember the bet when your sig belongs to me. Sucker!

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I'll remember the bet when your sig belongs to me. Sucker!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/1603.gif ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

I feel that I gotta keep my brother Fidelis educated about Chuck's power. Nothing but love for my boy Fidelis by the way, but please take note for Rashad bro! ;)

Chuck's overhand right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf42bsTXnY&feature=related

And, just in case "Sugar" missed that........

Chuck's spinnig back kick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkeL605fOiQ&feature=related

ooooooooo! He's gonna feel the Pecker in duh wOOD!!!!! ~BH

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[FidelisAdMortem]

Out with the old, in with the new.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Classic old school battle between BJ Penn and Lyoto Machida. The video is in 3 parts (1) (2) & (3). (2) & (3) are on the right hand side of the link site. Here is (1). ~BH

BJ Penn vs. Lyoto Machida (1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsax3njvkHU&feature=related

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Anybody know what pre-fight intro song they would use if they were a UFC Fighter? I know mine........

'Seek and Destroy' by Metallica (Album, Kill em All). ~BH

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[Divinity]

Anybody know what pre-fight intro song they would use if they were a UFC Fighter? I know mine........

'Seek and Destroy' by Metallica (Album, Kill em All). ~BH

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Enter Sandman, Metallica.

I've also convinced my fiance to have the DJ bring out our Wedding party to that song, at the Reception.

[Fire Watch]

Anybody know what pre-fight intro song they would use if they were a UFC Fighter? I know mine........

'Seek and Destroy' by Metallica (Album, Kill em All). ~BH

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Definately this.. >click< (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zvqkwvA9i4Q&feature=related)

[newhorizon]

Bad to the Bone by George Thoroughgood and the Destroyers.

[scipio337]

Anybody know what pre-fight intro song they would use if they were a UFC Fighter? I know mine........

'Seek and Destroy' by Metallica (Album, Kill em All). ~BH

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"No Leaf Clover", Metallica (S&M album)

"Super Bon Bon" by Soul Coughing

"Iron Fist" by Motörhead

[Fire Watch]

Sat. is going to be a good fight night.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Definately this.. >click< (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zvqkwvA9i4Q&feature=related)

Ahhh, 'Battery'. I can't believe I forgot about that one. Even better than 'Seek and Destroy' for an intro.

Alot of other good suggestions here too. ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Sat. is going to be a good fight night.

Boycott 'Affliction'! LOL!!!! Dana White is such a ball-buster. ~BH

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[Bolshevik Hunter]

Breaking MMA News:

Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson Arrested
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-071508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Damn, lose your belt and now this? Ooooooooof! ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

Breaking MMA News:

Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson Arrested
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-071508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Damn, lose your belt and now this? Ooooooooof! ~BH

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holy ****

[Bolshevik Hunter]

holy ****


My thoughts as well. I guess Dana White is posting bail for him. Not good PR for the UFC. I like Quinton, what a stupid thing to do. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

No kidding. I guess if Dana is posting bail, his career is safe.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

No kidding. I guess if Dana is posting bail, his career is safe.

Yep, He probably wants to get to him before he says or does anything stupid. Actually it's pretty smart of White. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

indeed

[scipio337]

My thoughts as well. I guess Dana White is posting bail for him. Not good PR for the UFC. I like Quinton, what a stupid thing to do. ~BH

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I hope he comes out of this alright, but more importantly, that no one was hurt. Hit and runs are serious trouble. Was he drunk or something?

[FidelisAdMortem]

He just lost me as a fan.

[Divinity]

I wonder what was on his mind. Time may tell, if he ever speaks about it. He was probably under a lot of stress and he took a shot to his ego a couple weeks ago. Things catch up.

[scipio337]

Sat. is going to be a good fight night.Which one? There's a ton to pick from.

Did anyone know that Matt Lindland is running for the GOP in the Oregon House?

Some good fights on both events.

Unfortunately, I'll be camping.

[Souldire]

I wonder what was on his mind. Time may tell, if he ever speaks about it. He was probably under a lot of stress and he took a shot to his ego a couple weeks ago. Things catch up.
I think he is pretty humble about the loss http://www.cagetoday.com/video-rampage-last-interview-before-being-arrested-for-felony-evading/
If you seen any of his interviews or him goofing off he is full of life and likes to joke around a lot. Even when he was on the ultimate fighter and things started getting hot he as well as forrest found a way to clown around. http://youtube.com/watch?v=1faOFxEF_XI Point is I think he has a heart of gold and im not going to wright him off just yet. We all make mistakes that we are sorry for.

[newhorizon]

What Q did was even dumber than what JT did! Will he see any backlash from the UFC like JT did? Or is he too big of a star?

On another note, I think that Chuck's days as champion in the UFC are long gone. Same goes for Hughes and Franklin, Q still has a good shot though. Your thoughts?

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Daaaaamn!!!

I hope he comes out of this alright, but more importantly, that no one was hurt. Hit and runs are serious trouble. Was he drunk or something?

I don't know, but he sure sounds drunk here..... ~BH

Rampage Jackson
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid285859616/bclid294430730/bctid1670053929


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[Bolshevik Hunter]

What Q did was even dumber than what JT did! Will he see any backlash from the UFC like JT did? Or is he too big of a star?

On another note, I think that Chuck's days as champion in the UFC are long gone. Same goes for Hughes and Franklin, Q still has a good shot though. Your thoughts?

JT doesn't draw the fans worldwide like Quinton does.

Chuck? It remains to be seen. He defeated Wanderlei Silva recently, so it's still up in the air. If he loses to Evan's, which I believe he won't, then he will most likely have a shot at the belt against Griffin where he could be the Champ again. So, who know's. If he loses to Evan's, he's finished. I would like to see him against Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida. That would prove alot.

Hughes? As much as I like and respect Matt, I think he has reached his end. Franklin too. They are both great fighters, only their weight classes are full of so much young fresh talent that they both most likely will never hold a belt again. I still want to see Hughes dump Serra on his head though. ~BH

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[Fire Watch]

2 hrs until fight time.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I have spike on right now. Just got home from work. I'm watching the UFC tonight and will catch the affliction banned ppv online at a site I go to that posts MMA events like minutes after they are aired on tv.

[Fire Watch]

I have spike on right now. Just got home from work. I'm watching the UFC tonight and will catch the affliction banned ppv online at a site I go to that posts MMA events like minutes after they are aired on tv.
Me too..but I just got to work. Not gonna order the Affliction PPV, as much as I'd like to. This is usually where I go for the by-the-blow updates.. http://mmamania.com/

[FidelisAdMortem]

mmavideolinks.to
or
www.mixedmartialartvideos.com

Have PPV MMA fights linked up within hours of them being aired.

[sgtmac_46]

I'm looking forward to this Fedor/Sylvia fight......:)

I can't see Tim taking him.....but he's certainly got a punchers chance I suppose. Too bad it's not Randy Couture fighting Fedor.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Randy is still under UFC contract.

[sgtmac_46]

Randy is still under UFC contract. Unfortunately.....but a contracts a contract.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Unfortunately.....but a contracts a contract.

I'm not a Randy fan. Hes greedy. UFC gave him everything he wanted. He turned his back on an organization that let him strive at his age, then left them b/c they didn't cater to his every need. Good riddens.

[sgtmac_46]

I'm not a Randy fan. Hes greedy. UFC gave him everything he wanted. He turned his back on an organization that let him strive at his age, then left them b/c they didn't cater to his every need. Good riddens. A man has a right to bargain for a better deal. It's a business, and these guys are the ones getting the bruises. He's made Dana White and the UFC a LOT of money. I don't view 'greed' as a bad thing, it's only business. Dana White would try to break a contract if it was in his monetary interest to do so......and the organization certainly didn't give him everything he wanted strictly out of the goodness of it's heart......he made them MONEY!

[Fire Watch]

Ultimate Knockouts 5 is on. Good ****.

[Fire Watch]

It's fight time.

[Fire Watch]

CB defeats JT. ****.

[Stuball]

CB defeats JT. ****.
Sir Charlie Brown defeated Jen T?
ON HER WEDDING DAY NO LESS????
I WOULDA PAID TO SEE THAT:cool:

[Ignotus]

Well, Fedor sure shut up all of his critics. That was absolute domination, Tim is no slouch of an opponent by any means.

I was also happy for Barnett, I wasn't expecting a knockout from him in that fight.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Fedor is a great fighter however I would like to see him fight someone off of two wins rather than someone who is coming off 2 losses as Sylvia was. This by no means solidifies Fedor as #1 p4p.

Anderson Sylvia on the other hand, is the greatest p4p fighter of all time. A classact to boot.

[Ignotus]

Fedor is a great fighter however I would like to see him fight someone off of two wins rather than someone who is coming off 2 losses as Sylvia was. This by no means solidifies Fedor as #1 p4p.

Anderson Sylvia on the other hand, is the greatest p4p fighter of all time. A classact to boot.

1) Sylvia is not coming off two losses, he lost one time to Nog in a fight he was clearly winning until the third round. He won his previous fight against Vera who is a solid opponent himself. Nog is considered by many to be the clear number 2 in the world, losing to him does not drop you down the rankings a whole lot.

2) Fedor has fought just as many top fighters as Silva (if not more) in his career and he has not lost. Just to remind you, his one loss on his record is not even considered a loss by anyone because it was caused by an illegal blow seconds into a fight that cut him.

Silva, on the other hand, has 2 clear cut losses in pride, he even lost in the stand up portion. These were not flukish losses where he got cut or flash KO'd by a wild hay maker. (*Notice, I am not counting his loss to Okami)

3) What says P4P more than beating guys that are much larger than yourself? Fedor has fought super heavyweights, and he is lighter and shorter than almost everyone he fights. He is not even 6'0" tall (shorter than even Silva), they exaggerate his height by an inch or so like they do with many other fighters. Silva cuts a ton of weight and is at least the same size if not larger than his opponents at 185lb. He isn't even small compared to other fighters at 205lbs.

[Ignotus]

And one other thing, who has Anderson beaten outside of Henderson and Franklin that is considered cream of the crop? Surely you do not think guys like Lutter and Leben are world beaters. My point is not to say Anderson is not one of the top P4P fighters, I am just saying it is a bit premature to say he is the "best of all times" with only 2 huge wins on his record.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Sylvia was manhandled by Randy, barely won a unanimous against Vera in which Vera broke his hand early on in the first round, then manhandled by Fedor. Fedor hasn't had a worthy fight in over 2 years. So now we are basing P4P on past accomplishments no matter how long ago they are? Negative. We judge p4p currently on current stats and current win/loss ratio. Fedor is back in the game after being out for sometime, thus he has to prove he is worthy enough to be put into the p4p category. He fought sylvia who has hardly been anything but impressive in his past 6 fights, all ending in him losing or winning by UD.

On the other hand Anderson Silva has dominated all in his weightclass holding onto his belt by beating whoever is put in front of him, not winning by UD but by dominating the competition through knockout or submission. He goes up a weightclass and dominates last night. He is currently p4p the best out there.

Fedor has the possibility of being such today, but his past does not dictate current rating. To say it does is ridiculous. You can talk about any past great then and claim they are currently the best not for what they do today but for what they did years past.

[Ignotus]

Sylvia was manhandled by Randy,

Yet in 5 rounds he could not finish Sylvia.


barely won a unanimous against Vera in which Vera broke his hand early on in the first round,

It was boring, but it was also pretty clear cut in the judge's eyes. He almost knocked Vera out late in the third. And FYI, I was actually there sitting in the audience at the event.

then manhandled by Fedor. Fedor hasn't had a worthy fight in over 2 years.

Not true, his win over Mark Hunt was less than 2 years ago, Hunt defeated both Wanderlei and Crocop (when Crocop was ranked highly which is important*) and is arguably the most dangerous MMA HW striker outside of Schilt (who Fedor also defeated). Lindland is a former silver medalist in the Olympics, and he was around the same weight as Randy when he fought Fedor. Lindland defeated Rampage in the eyes of many (he lost a split decision on the score cards) not long before his fight with Fedor. He is as worthy as Leben or Lutter in my eyes.

Hongman Choi is severely underrated and I truly believe he would completely destroy Sylvia, and give many other HWs problems. Heck, he gave Fedor more problems than Sylvia did. Even though he has that "freakshow aura", the man has wins over top fighters in K1 kickboxing. He also is an accomplished ssireum wrestler.

Please, do some research before spewing your nonsense.




So now we are basing P4P on past accomplishments no matter how long ago they are? Negative.

His recent wins are not enough to put him at the top, again, he has only faced 2 top opponents. The 185lb division in the UFC is quite thin, if he cleaned out the 170lb division I would have been more impressed.


We judge p4p currently on current stats and current win/loss ratio.

You didn't define "current" in specific terms, thus you have no argument. We have to go back several years due to how infrequently even active fighters fight. Silva is only fighting around 3 times a year tops in the UFC. If I applied your apparent vague definition of "current" to Silva's record we could ignore some of his fights that took place in the UFC.

On the other hand Anderson Silva has dominated all in his weightclass holding onto his belt by beating whoever is put in front of him, not winning by UD but by dominating the competition through knockout or submission.

He got mounted by Lutter and lost the first round to Henderson. Fedor has not dropped a round in his career, ever. You could even argue he has never really been on the defensive outside of a few take downs. And even in those cases, Fedor finished the fight off his back much quicker than Silva has.


He goes up a weightclass and dominates last night. He is currently p4p the best out there.

He dominated a low ranking 205lber, if he had defeated someone legit at 205lb you might have a point.

Fedor has the possibility of being such today, but his past does not dictate current rating. To say it does is ridiculous. You can talk about any past great then and claim they are currently the best not for what they do today but for what they did years past.

It is not "the past" man, he dominated the most deep HW division in MMA from 2002-2006, and he even got a few solid wins in the last year or so.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Yet in 5 rounds he could not finish Sylvia.

Same goes for Sylvia.



It was boring, but it was also pretty clear cut in the judge's eyes. He almost knocked Vera out late in the third. And FYI, I was actually there sitting in the audience at the event.

Ok, you being there doesn't add to the debate. Anyways, Vera brought Sylvia to a decision with one hand, plus giving up size and strength along with one hand to Sylvia and Sylvia still couldn't finish Vera.



Please, do some research before spewing your nonsense.

Done it. Fact is Fedor has been out of the game for sometime. By beating Sylvia last night doesn't solify anything for him currently. What he accomplished back then makes him a great fighter but doesn't currently have any bearing on current p4p ratings.

His recent wins are not enough to put him at the top, again, he has only faced 2 top opponents. The 185lb division in the UFC is quite thin, if he cleaned out the 170lb division I would have been more impressed.

So while you don't hold any other fighter up to that light when deciding p4p, silva must wipe out all divisions before you even recognize his accomplishments.


Silva is only fighting around 3 times a year tops in the UFC. If I applied your apparent vague definition of "current" to Silva's record we could ignore some of his fights that took place in the UFC.

Silva is a champion. He fights when hes defending his title, and most recently fights even when not defending his current title. He has fought alot more than Fedor in recent years, therefore for you to judge him on lack of fights while holding up Fedor to such a high standard I find bias involved in your side of the argument.

He dominated a low ranking 205lber, if he had defeated someone legit at 205lb you might have a point.

Nonetheless he moved up and dominated on 5 weeks notice. For someone who gives missing in action Fedor so much leeway you sure buckle down hard on Silva. Interesting.



It is not "the past" man, he dominated the most deep HW division in MMA from 2002-2006, and he even got a few solid wins in the last year or so.

Great, that is two years ago. Welcome to 2008, enjoy your stay.

[thr3]

Fedor is a great fighter however I would like to see him fight someone off of two wins rather than someone who is coming off 2 losses as Sylvia was. This by no means solidifies Fedor as #1 p4p.

Anderson Sylvia on the other hand, is the greatest p4p fighter of all time. A classact to boot.

Anderson has been beat. Fedor has not.

And let's not cut that b/s cut decision.

You sound like you have been talking to Dana White.

[thr3]

And one other thing, who has Anderson beaten outside of Henderson and Franklin that is considered cream of the crop? Surely you do not think guys like Lutter and Leben are world beaters. My point is not to say Anderson is not one of the top P4P fighters, I am just saying it is a bit premature to say he is the "best of all times" with only 2 huge wins on his record.

Indeed.

Fedor has cleaned out the Heavy weight division. So has Anderson in the Middle Weight mind.

Both are great fighters-I personally can not see Fedor losing to anyone at all. Anderson is not going to be beat either for a long time at middleweight. If he goes up to 205-then I can see some trouble.

[thr3]

I'm not a Randy fan. Hes greedy. UFC gave him everything he wanted. He turned his back on an organization that let him strive at his age, then left them b/c they didn't cater to his every need. Good riddens.

Why is Randy "greedy"? The market dictates what you are worth. If the market says X amount-that is what you should get paid-unless you are some tool who believes in the concept of "loyalty" to a company that wants to put you in a cage to have your head mashed in.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Why is Randy "greedy"? The market dictates what you are worth. If the market says X amount-that is what you should get paid-unless you are some tool who believes in the concept of "loyalty" to a company that wants to put you in a cage to have your head mashed in.

Randy is greedy for reasons outside of the ring. Lets just say he isn't fan friendly unless theres a pricetag.

[thr3]

Randy is greedy for reasons outside of the ring. Lets just say he isn't fan friendly unless theres a pricetag.

Is this vis-a-vis the signing of autographs?

Well, I would charge for an autograph on two counts. One-it is my time. Secondly, the people put them on ebay and make $40 off my sig.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Is this vis-a-vis the signing of autographs?

Well, I would charge for an autograph on two counts. One-it is my time. Secondly, the people put them on ebay and make $40 off my sig.

Funny, thats exactly what Randy said when asked about it.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Anderson has been beat. Fedor has not.

And let's not cut that b/s cut decision.

You sound like you have been talking to Dana White.

Fedor hasn't had a challenge in the past 2-3 years. So he hasn't fought anyone that would put him at the top of any p4p rankings currently. Sylvias past 6 fights have been losses or decisions. Hes no one to be holding up as a trophy for Fedor for beating.

[thr3]

Fedor hasn't had a challenge in the past 2-3 years. So he hasn't fought anyone that would put him at the top of any p4p rankings currently. Sylvias past 6 fights have been losses or decisions. Hes no one to be holding up as a trophy for Fedor for beating.

Fedor has beat Mark Hunt.

He also beat Tim Dim Sylvia who went 5 rounds with Randy-but lasted 36 second with Fedor.

[thr3]

Funny, thats exactly what Randy said when asked about it.

Maybe because it is true.

Why should sports star not be able to exploit the rules of capitalism?

[FidelisAdMortem]

Fedor has beat Mark Hunt.

He also beat Tim Dim Sylvia who went 5 rounds with Randy-but lasted 36 second with Fedor.

Fedor is better than Sylvia and Randy. Hands down. My point is those two fighters aren't at the top of any MMA game right now, so him beating them imo does nothing for his current p4p status.

[thr3]

Fedor is better than Sylvia and Randy. Hands down. My point is those two fighters aren't at the top of any MMA game right now, so him beating them imo does nothing for his current p4p status.

P4p is far too subjective of an analysis to really mean anything.

Both Anderson and Fedor are great fighters.

[FidelisAdMortem]

P4p is far too subjective of an analysis to really mean anything.

Both Anderson and Fedor are great fighters.

Never claimed Fedor wasn't a great fighter. I'm stating that he hasn't beat anyone in the past couple of years worthwhile that he should be on top of any current list. He can be put on the list of past great fighters, no doubt. But we distinguish past and present. And currently he isn't fighting anyone for him to be put on any current list of p4p fighters.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Jeezus, Dallas Winston has a camping trip and then he misses the rumble?

Grab some cush bubs! Ignotus and thr3, calm down brothers. I respect you guys alot, and I love your opinions. Even when I disagree with them. You guys know your MMA.

Bro's, get off Fedor's nut-sack! But at the same time, others should get off Anderson Silva's. That fight against Irvin was an absolute joke. Maybe the worst UFC fight I have ever witnessed. Randy? He would defeat Fedor if his contract allowed it. Just my opinion. Tim? he would beat many peoples asses, yet he is on the same road as Hughes, he's reached his end.

Again, Anderson Silva? He is a great fighter. However, you will see his young student defeat him, Lyoto Machida. Anderson is a force at 185, but most fighters at 205 don't cower like Irvin did last night. What a disgrace, because Irvin can fight. I think Chuck can take Anderson Silva without a doubt. Griffin too maybe, yEP! Dat's right bro's.

Oh yeah, sure all the Chuck haters are gonna come out and say that Silva can beat him. I laugh at the fools who boe down to Anderson Silva. I love the guy by the way. Liddell would break Silva down. He has way more experience than Anderson does.

Lyoto Machida's style will defeat him too. It will send his hero Silva back down to the Middleweight division where he belongs. Great fighter, but he can't bang with the like's of Liddel, Rampage, Griffin or the elusive Machida.

As much as I love and respect Anderson Silva as a fighter, Forrest Griffin will kick his ****ing ass! Are you kidding me, that would be an old fashion pecker-wood ass wOOPIN!!! Just like Rampage. Could Silva beat Quinton? No way bro's, not enough knock out power. Bet on it!

I pray that they match Silva up against Griffin. I am sure we will be able to bet on it. Machida? He will give more trouble to the light-heavyweights than Anderson Silva will. Silva is great in the clinch, but many of these fighters are at the top of their game in the clinch in the 205 weight division. Silva is great at 185, but yet has proved himself at 205. He could too, it just remains to be seen. The guy is a stud and I love his game, so don't misundertand. It's a weight class issue with me.

Fedor? Other than Randy, I don't really see who in the UFC right now that could match up and beat him. Maybe Chuck, Wanderlei or Quinton? Could Griffin? I don't really know. I would be behind Forrest though. I have nothing but respect for Fedor as a fighter. Silva is not a test for him. Fedor is surely a bad ass and one of the best Mixed Martial Artists in the World without a doubt. ~BH

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Jeezus, Dallas Winston has a camping trip and then he misses the rumble?

Grab some cush bubs! Ignotus and thr3, calm down brothers. I respect you guys alot, and I love your opinions. Even when I disagree with them. You guys know your MMA.

Bro's, get off Fedor's nut-sack! But at the same time, others should get off Anderson Silva's. That fight against Irvin was an absolute joke. Maybe the worst UFC fight I have ever witnessed. Randy? He would defeat Fedor if his contract allowed it. Just my opinion. Tim? he would beat many peoples asses, yet he is on the same road as Hughes, he's reached his end.

Again, Anderson Silva? He is a great fighter. However, you will see his young student defeat him, Lyoto Machida. Anderson is a force at 185, but most fighters at 205 don't cower like Irvin did last night. What a disgrace, because Irvin can fight. I think Chuck can take Anderson Silva without a doubt. Griffin too maybe, yEP! Dat's right bro's.

Oh yeah, sure all the Chuck haters are gonna come out and say that Silva can beat him. I laugh at the fools who boe down to Anderson Silva. I love the guy by the way. Liddell would break Silva down. He has way more experience than Anderson does.

Lyoto Machida's style will defeat him too. It will send his hero Silva back down to the Middleweight division where he belongs. Great fighter, but he can't bang with the like's of Liddel, Rampage, Griffin or the elusive Machida.

As much as I love and respect Anderson Silva as a fighter, Forrest Griffin will kick his ****ing ass! Are you kidding me, that would be an old fashion pecker-wood ass wOOPIN!!! Just like Rampage. Could Silva beat Quinton? No way bro's, not enough knock out power. Bet on it!

I pray that they match Silva up against Griffin. I am sure we will be able to bet on it. Machida? He will give more trouble to the light-heavyweights than Anderson Silva will. Silva is great in the clinch, but many of these fighters are at the top of their game in the clinch in the 205 weight division. Silva is great at 185, but yet has proved himself at 205. He could too, it just remains to be seen. The guy is a stud and I love his game, so don't misundertand. It's a weight class issue with me.

Fedor? Other than Randy, I don't really see who in the UFC right now that could match up and beat him. Maybe Chuck, Wanderlei or Quinton? Could Griffin? I don't really know. I would be behind Forrest though. I have nothing but respect for Fedor as a fighter. Silva is not a test for him. Fedor is surely a bad ass and one of the best Mixed Martial Artists in the World without a doubt. ~BH

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Wanderlai, Chuck or Rampage would all get battered by Fedor. They are simply too small to be going into the heavyweight division.

Fedor will also defeat Randy and in quick fashion too. Randy is poorer in every single department.

Secondly, Fedor made Tim look like a can. NObody has managed to mangle him like that before.

As for Anderson at 205-I think he will do ok. He certainly will not clean out the division as he has done at 185 for the reason that he is too small. However, I'd take him on the betting against anyone at 205 except Machida who would out point him.

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Wanderlai, Chuck or Rampage would all get battered by Fedor. They are simply too small to be going into the heavyweight division.

Fedor will also defeat Randy and in quick fashion too. Randy is poorer in every single department.

Secondly, Fedor made Tim look like a can. NObody has managed to mangle him like that before.

As for Anderson at 205-I think he will do ok. He certainly will not clean out the division as he has done at 185 for the reason that he is too small. However, I'd take him on the betting against anyone at 205 except Machida who would out point him.
Exactly right.......anyone calling Fedor overrated is full of ****.....there is simply ZERO evidence that he is nothing but the most dominant heavyweight in ALL of MMA!

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Randy is greedy for reasons outside of the ring. Lets just say he isn't fan friendly unless theres a pricetag. I'm sorry to hear that.

I tell you who IS a class act from the classic age of UFC........Dan Severn. I met Dan when he put on an MMA tournament in our area, and he told me that he and his partner had a LEO training course if I was interested. Well, I set the instructor course up for two days and he was supposed to be there, but a huge snow storm came up and he and his partner were stranded at the airport.

So Dan calls me and says he can't make it today and he's sorry, but he's flying down in the afternoon anyway. He says he's terribly sorry about the situation and what he'll do instead is condense the class in to 1 day, stay as long as he needs to get the material in, and it'll all be FREE! In fact, he said to call around to other agencies and as many folks as want to attend can do so for free.

So Dan comes down, spends the day showing us some pretty damn good ground combatives, telling us stories about wrestling and the UFC and the guys in it, and doesn't charge us a DIME! We bought him and his partner diner and bought some T-shirts and DVD's off of him, that's IT! Class act Dan Severn, HELLUVA a guy!

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Fedor is a great fighter however I would like to see him fight someone off of two wins rather than someone who is coming off 2 losses as Sylvia was. This by no means solidifies Fedor as #1 p4p.

Anderson Sylvia on the other hand, is the greatest p4p fighter of all time. A classact to boot. Fedor may not be #1.....but he's sure as hell ahead of #2. Fedor's record speaks for itself. He's 28-1 with a who's who list of heavyweights, and the one loss he has was from 2000 against Tsuyoshi Kohsaka from a ref stoppage for a cut caused by an elbow that wasn't legal for Kohsaka to have thrown.....and Fedor wasn't beat in the fight, the ref stopped the fight because of the blood. Fedor then came back and mangled Kohsaka.

Look at this and tell me this fight should have been stopped......http://crackle.com/c/Sports/Emelianenko_Fedor_vs_Kohsaka_Tsuyoshi/2050441

So if Fedor isn't #1, I want to know who the hell IS! There's not a heavyweight fighting right now who can carry Fedor's jock strap. Sylvia lasted a whole 36 seconds! It doesn't matter whether he's coming off wins, loses or ties he lost that fight straight up. It wasn't even lucky punches, Fedor just waded in and cleaned his CLOCK!

Fedor may get beat someday.....but it'll probably be because he's going to have to GET OLD eventually! :))

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Fedor hasn't had a challenge in the past 2-3 years. So he hasn't fought anyone that would put him at the top of any p4p rankings currently. Sylvias past 6 fights have been losses or decisions. Hes no one to be holding up as a trophy for Fedor for beating. 30 seconds........Fedor dismantled Sylvia in 30 seconds.....and Sylvia only lasted THAT long because he fell to the ground and covered up. He was out on his feet in less than 20 seconds. That's not 'beating' Sylvia......that's bending him over and breaking him down like a SHOTGUN! :))

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30 seconds........Fedor dismantled Sylvia in 30 seconds.....and Sylvia only lasted THAT long because he fell to the ground and covered up. He was out on his feet in less than 20 seconds.

Sylvia has a broken nose.

Also it is a fallacy to claim that Fedor has not fought anyone good in the last 3 years. He fought Cro Cop in 2005. He has also fought Mark Hunt who is a massive heavyweight with some excellent K-1 skillls. He has now destroyed Tim Sylvia.

I fail to see who is able to challenge Fedor. Nog has already been soundly beaten twice by him. If it wasn't for Nog's brick of a head he surely would have been knocked out with that ground and pound.

Perhaps a striker could catch Fedor on the chin-which whilst hardly paper, is not granite either.

Arlovski and Barnett are the two remaining heavyweights to challenge Fedor. Randy also-but I can not see it occuring.

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Sylvia has a broken nose.

Also it is a fallacy to claim that Fedor has not fought anyone good in the last 3 years. He fought Cro Cop in 2005. He has also fought Mark Hunt who is a massive heavyweight with some excellent K-1 skillls. He has now destroyed Tim Sylvia.

I fail to see who is able to challenge Fedor. Nog has already been soundly beaten twice by him. If it wasn't for Nog's brick of a head he surely would have been knocked out with that ground and pound.

Perhaps a striker could catch Fedor on the chin-which whilst hardly paper, is not granite either.

Arlovski and Barnett are the two remaining heavyweights to challenge Fedor. Randy also-but I can not see it occuring. Tim Sylvia is supposedly a striker, but Fedor slapped him around like an abused spouse. I don't see Arlovski doing any better.

Josh Barnett would be more competative, but I still don't see him pulling it off.....Randy Couture slapped him around back in the day.

Of course Barnett is arguably a far better fighter today than when Randy beat him. He still couldn't ever manage to get past Cro-Cop, losing in all three times they fought. He's lost to Mirko and he's lost to Nog. Josh Barnett DID beat Fedor's brother Aleksander in 2006.

I would like to see a Fedor/Josh Barnett fight.....I can't believe that's not already happened, they've been fighting in the same circles .....but i'm betting Barnett will be Fedor's next fight after he KO'd Pedro Rizzo.


Speaking of Barnett and Rizzo, that 2nd round KO is payback for Rizzo KO'ing Barnett in the 2nd round of their first fight in 2001.

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Tim sylvia has been at the end of his career for sometime now. His last 6 fights prove that. The only reason he was rated so high in the UFC and had the belt is a testament of the weak HW division within the UFC. Sylvia was and has always been overrated. Fedor beating him isn't a testament to Fedors greatness, its a testament to Sylvias weakness.

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The following is an updated card for UFC 87: Seek and Destroy that will take place on August 9th from the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Make sure to tune into MMANews.com on the 9th for full play by play coverage of the show.

Main Card Bouts:
-Georges St. Pierre vs. Jon Fitch (WW Title)
-Kenny Florian vs. Roger Huerta
-Brock Lesnar vs. Heath Herring
-Demian Maia vs. Jason MacDonald
-Manny Gamburyan vs. Rob Emerson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Cheick Kongo vs. Dan Evensen
-Andre Gusmao vs. Tomasz Drwal
-Steve Bruno vs. Chris Wilson
-Ben Saunders vs. Jared Rollins

mmanews.com

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Tim sylvia has been at the end of his career for sometime now. His last 6 fights prove that. The only reason he was rated so high in the UFC and had the belt is a testament of the weak HW division within the UFC. Sylvia was and has always been overrated. Fedor beating him isn't a testament to Fedors greatness, its a testament to Sylvias weakness. Fedor beating him isn't a testament to his greatness......Fedor beating him in 36 SECONDS IS!

He apparently made at least one new fan.....

"I was amazed at how good Fedor was. He got off first and put me away. The guy was phenomenal, and I'm not even sure if he's human. He's a total stud." -Tim Sylvia post-fight interview

That's a classic line....'I'm not even sure if he's HUMAN!' :))

Fedor is 31......and is probably JUST hitting his PRIME!





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