You owe me $1,500 BUSH!

[DLaw911]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.

[Grey Ghost]

I've always found daylight savings time changes to be a biannual stupid annoyance. Thank God it's finally gone.

[DLaw911]

I've always found daylight savings time changes to be a biannual stupid annoyance. Thank God it's finally gone.Who said it's gone --- it's just LONNNNNNNNGER (2nd Sunday in MARCH until last Sunday in NOVEMBER).

[Grey Ghost]

Who said it's gone --- it's just LONNNNNNNNGER (2nd Sunday in MARCH until last Sunday in NOVEMBER).

Drat! I want immediate and complete abolition. Nobody should mess with Father Time.

[Gray]

This stupid crap is going to be a nightmare.

[Mtn Dew]

Bush only signed the bill. Several Senators helped create the bill and 74 voted for it. Luckily for you both of your Senators voted against it.

Once again Bush is the lightning rod when Congress is the one who should get the blame/credit. You decry Bush about this but you don't say anything about Congress. This is Congress' doing, not Bush's. Bush only signed it.

[jeepers]

D, I REALLY don't want to see anyone spending money for stupid reasons, but I have to admit that complaining that you have to pay 200 bucks to reprogram your Lexus' GPS made me....grin.

Go ahead and slap me, but you have to admit...

[JenyEliza]

Who said it's gone --- it's just LONNNNNNNNGER (2nd Sunday in MARCH until last Sunday in NOVEMBER).

Bush only signed this bill to **** off wealthy gay liberal lawyers such as your self. ;)

Aside from our personal computer, we aren't going to have much of a problem with our "gadgets" that need resetting. We don't have any. ;) :))

As I used to tell my old boss...."sometimes it pays to be the low-paid indentured servant, rather than the well paid boss man." ;) :mrgreen:

Of course, I also used to greet him with "Good morning, Komrade ______ (last name)." And he's a Republican. :))

[cyph3r7]

wow...never thought of these issues...kinda funny if u think about it

[JenyEliza]

D, I REALLY don't want to see anyone spending money for stupid reasons, but I have to admit that complaining that you have to pay 200 bucks to reprogram your Lexus' GPS made me....grin.

Go ahead and slap me, but you have to admit...

I had a similar reaction. As in boo-(bad word)-hooo, his widdle Wexus GPS will need to be we pogwammed, and he dowsn't know how to dowit. :boohoo:

Sorry, lawzie...just seems a little incongruent coming from a libbie like yourself. :mrgreen:

[jeepers]

You're going to get hurt if you keep this up. :shifty:

[JenyEliza]

You're going to get hurt if you keep this up. :shifty:

What? :confused:

[Thabin]

Ah you silly people and your "daylight savings time", makes me glad to live in Arizona where we are GMT -7 356 days a year, never change, never seen a need for it, and we chuckle every year when everyone else does thinking some how they've "created" more time or something, in the day.

[SlaytanicSlipknotFreak]

Here's an idea, no one follow the bill. Everyone change times when they are supposed to and tell Bush and congress to shove it.

[TheMann]

This will be peanuts compared to Y2K computer reprogramming, and even that ended up to be much ado about nothing. Computer fixes will be simple and will most likely be included in your automatic updates. Cell phones, Caller ID boxes, cable boxes and other things that get their time from external sources will be dependent upon these sources for the correction. And even so, its a pretty simple fix in programmers terms, you just change the dates that it activates. Hard programmed things like the clocks you mentioned could be a problem, unless there is a manual override setting for the time and I certainly would not buy something like that if it didn't have this option.

[Sir Gallahad]

If it were up to me, I'd put the kibosh on all this nonsense by eliminating DST. The main argument for DST, that it somehow saves energy by allowing people to leave their lights off later in the day, is bogus for two reasons. The first, is that while the lights can be turned on later in the evening, they must be turned off later in the morning, so just as much energy is used. Second, power plants produce pretty much a constant supply of electricity no matter the demand, so no energy will be saved. This is done because it's cheaper to have the power plants run at full power all the time then to bring the plants down durning non-peak hours and subsequently bring them up during peak hours.

[DouglasP]

Technically, it's daylight saving time, not savings.

Just sayin'.

[jeepers]

I think that they should pick it and stick with whatever they decide upon. It's the back and forth thing that is irritating.

[Mimiheart]

Ah you silly people and your "daylight savings time", makes me glad to live in Arizona where we are GMT -7 356 days a year, never change, never seen a need for it, and we chuckle every year when everyone else does thinking some how they've "created" more time or something, in the day.
Agreed. *Waves at all the stupid people still changing their clocks.*

As for cell phones, they're set by a satelite. As long as the satelite changes at whatever the right time is, the phones will be fine.

[DLaw911]

Bush only signed the bill. Several Senators helped create the bill and 74 voted for it. Luckily for you both of your Senators voted against it.

Once again Bush is the lightning rod when Congress is the one who should get the blame/credit. You decry Bush about this but you don't say anything about Congress. This is Congress' doing, not Bush's. Bush only signed it.Congress should be drafted and sent to Iraq and some sane people elected to take their places.

[DLaw911]

I had a similar reaction. As in boo-(bad word)-hooo, his widdle Wexus GPS will need to be we pogwammed, and he dowsn't know how to dowit. :boohoo:

Sorry, lawzie...just seems a little incongruent coming from a libbie like yourself. :mrgreen:You can't "program" it. It is a CHIP on a computer board that will have to be replaced. I'm told there is no flash memory upgrade available and that the entire board needs to come out and be replaced.

Maybe the correct time of day means nothing to you, but it means a lot to me. My car clock is totally dependent on the GPS navigator and what appear is for the time of day is dependent on which time zone you chose. The daylight savings time calculations happen automatically and, in my car, they cannot be overridden. Also, there are a ton of digital watches on people's wrists that automatically compute daylight savings time. Is it time to throw away watches and buy new ones. And you saw the estimated costs of how much just ONE city will have to pay to revamp their entire 911 communications system to accompdate this change. Now multiply that times the number of cities in this country and see just how much the 911 emergency system will cost to upgrade. And is there any guarantee that another energy bill won't be passed further damaging a national standard that other counties also rely on the do business with us?

Don't tease me (I know you like to). I'm about as good as you can get when it comes to programming, but I cannot change out chips in places I cannot get my hands.

Want to hear another good one. My area is going to an area code overlay. That means two area codes will operate in the same area necessitating the dialing of an area code, even the same area code, for all local calls. Not a big deal? No, not to me. But now I have to buy a new burglar alarm because my old one only has a 7 digit capacity to dial the central office. Most apartment buildings in the area have gate phones that visitors must use to input a code to dial a resident .... but these dialers tend to only have 7 digit capacity. All these systems will have to be changed at huge expense. How about all the offices around here that have their phone numbers painted on the wall, on billboards and even in neon ... they now have to figure out how to add and area code or get a new sign. And what about an established business that wants to add a line at the same address. That's right - two area codes at the same address. And many elderly people who make local calls have a hard time learning to dial and area code. Simple for you and me, but difficult for them. They will reach disconnected numbers and just give up. Things are not as simple as they appear.

[DLaw911]

Technically, it's daylight saving time, not savings.

Just sayin'.Thanks -- never noticed that.

[JenyEliza]

You can't "program" it. It is a CHIP on a computer board that will have to be replaced. I'm told there is no flash memory upgrade available and that the entire board needs to come out and be replaced.

I wouldn't know about the fancy stuff they put in cars these days. I'm driving a paid for 9 year old mini-van. It barely has bells--much less whistles. ;)

Before you shell out for this programming, let me check with my s/o. He owns an automotive repair shop and would know about this and how you can get this done for the best price.


Don't tease me (I know you like to). I'm about as good as you can get when it comes to programming, but I cannot change out chips in places I cannot get my hands.

I understand. Sit tight before you go dishing out money. I'll check with my guy and get back to you on the best way to go with this.

Want to hear another good one. My area is going to an area code overlay. That means two area codes will operate in the same area necessitating the dialing of an area code, even the same area code, for all local calls.

Atlanta went to 10 digit dialing in 1995. In fact, we've been doing overlays and area code changes like this ever since. We currently have 4 area codes in operation in the metro Atlanta area. My home # is in a different area code than my cell phone #, and our fax # is a third area code. I feel your pain.

That's right - two area codes at the same address. And many elderly people who make local calls have a hard time learning to dial and area code. Simple for you and me, but difficult for them. They will reach disconnected numbers and just give up. Things are not as simple as they appear.

Been there, done this--a long time ago. I feel your pain.

[LoneStarHero]

You can't "program" it. It is a CHIP on a computer board that will have to be replaced. I'm told there is no flash memory upgrade available and that the entire board needs to come out and be replaced.

Maybe the correct time of day means nothing to you, but it means a lot to me. My car clock is totally dependent on the GPS navigator and what appear is for the time of day is dependent on which time zone you chose. The daylight savings time calculations happen automatically and, in my car, they cannot be overridden. Also, there are a ton of digital watches on people's wrists that automatically compute daylight savings time. Is it time to throw away watches and buy new ones. And you saw the estimated costs of how much just ONE city will have to pay to revamp their entire 911 communications system to accompdate this change. Now multiply that times the number of cities in this country and see just how much the 911 emergency system will cost to upgrade. And is there any guarantee that another energy bill won't be passed further damaging a national standard that other counties also rely on the do business with us?

Don't tease me (I know you like to). I'm about as good as you can get when it comes to programming, but I cannot change out chips in places I cannot get my hands.

Want to hear another good one. My area is going to an area code overlay. That means two area codes will operate in the same area necessitating the dialing of an area code, even the same area code, for all local calls. Not a big deal? No, not to me. But now I have to buy a new burglar alarm because my old one only has a 7 digit capacity to dial the central office. Most apartment buildings in the area have gate phones that visitors must use to input a code to dial a resident .... but these dialers tend to only have 7 digit capacity. All these systems will have to be changed at huge expense. How about all the offices around here that have their phone numbers painted on the wall, on billboards and even in neon ... they now have to figure out how to add and area code or get a new sign. And what about an established business that wants to add a line at the same address. That's right - two area codes at the same address. And many elderly people who make local calls have a hard time learning to dial and area code. Simple for you and me, but difficult for them. They will reach disconnected numbers and just give up. Things are not as simple as they appear.

Thank God for my Spartan '95 Nissan Kingcab Pickup truck. I just have to hit the hour button once (or is it 23 times?). I can set the cellphone and alarm clock times manually. I guess high tech isn't always better!

No need for an alarm system to my house. If I caught a burglar in my house, I would completely laugh at his ass. I'd say, "Haha Mr. Burglar, you broke in to a house with no valuables to steal as we're poor grad students!. We don't even have cable television. You wasted your time! You should have broken into the house of the rich gay couple next door, they have lots of cool ****!"

If only you were a senior citizen that acted his own age and was oblivious to technology. Being blessed with the aura of youth at age fifty-nine can sure be a bitch sometimes huh?

[akuma]

hmm

i guess some peopple are just going to have to learn how to add or subtract an hour or learn how to manually reset their clocks instead of being lazy turds and expecting them to change themselves.

and since i dont have a Lexus (i drive an old Pathfinder) i have little to worry about since i can only tell what time it is using my cars cloack in the daytime ...the little light that used to illuminate my LCD burned out long ago .

or i can just use my car stereo.

[59Flash]

GPS gets its time from satelites every time they are turned on. So your GPS in your car will have no problem with the change.

[Claymore]

Screw it, I'm just gonna use a sundial.

[kfstein]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.
You are barking up the wrong tree. As others have noted, not all areas in the country observe DST, so the need to "override" DST exists, already. I'm sure Lexus and Brookstone have provisions for that--if not, they are poor planners.

You say there is no way to override the internal settings, so are we to assume that if you move from CA to FL you have to pay someone to replace your chip?

PCs and Macs may have to be manually reset, as well, unless a patch comes out. Given that there is two years to build it, I think that's a possibility. With the massive complexity that's involved with calculating when to implement DST, I think Mr Gates (et al) can manage.

Your friggin cell phone will be fine, as it gets the time from the local cell. Reprogramming those servers is no big deal, either. That includes 911. LA can pay someone $5 million, but I'll come do it for $4 million. Trust me, I will make about $3.995 milliion on the deal, and that's assuming I pay my own expenses from the East Coast.

[OTRTrucker]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.

Change is hard for some people to accept. Society will move forward with you or without you. You can remain a knuckle-dragging cave man with a narrow sense of what's in the best interest of mankind - or you can evolve to accommodate this positive change. It will seem wrong and painful to some - at first - but decades from now - we'll all look back and see how silly we were to fear the acceptance of the new daylight savings time. ;)

I'm really really sorry about the problem with your Lexxus. :D

[jeepers]

How about getting one's time from a WATCH?

[DLaw911]

Change is hard for some people to accept. Society will move forward with you or without you. You can remain a knuckle-dragging cave man with a narrow sense of what's in the best interest of mankind - or you can evolve to accommodate this positive change. It will seem wrong and painful to some - at first - but decades from now - we'll all look back and see how silly we were to fear the acceptance of the new daylight savings time.
Somehow I don't appreciate your comments -- as if I am against change. That is hardly the case. I love change and new technology. That is not the issue. The point is that a change was made that was unnecessary and that is going to cost many Americans a lot of money for nothing.

I suppose you would use your knuckle dragging argument if a bill was signed mandating that all gas engine cars be eliminated in a year in favor of diesel cars. A totally unnecessary change - YES! And over 99% of the vehicles people now own would be illegal to drive.

[DLaw911]

How about getting one's time from a WATCH?I'm glad I don't own a digital watch with automatic daylight saving time correction.

[OTRTrucker]

Somehow I don't appreciate your comments -- as if I am against change. That is hardly the case. I love change and new technology. That is not the issue. The point is that a change was made that was unnecessary and that is going to cost many Americans a lot of money for nothing.

I suppose you would use your knuckle dragging argument if a bill was signed mandating that all gas engine cars be eliminated in a year in favor of diesel cars. A totally unnecessary change - YES! And over 99% of the vehicles people now own would be illegal to drive.

Get a cup of coffee, remind yourself what an ass I can be and read it again, Lawsie. It was supposed to make you laugh. I know you are all about 'change'. And I got "knuckle-dragging caveman" from you about a year ago - when I told you the vast majority of society would never see the acceptance of homosexuality as "positive change".

Wake up, man.

OTR

[JeffM]

I thought extending the daylight savings time would have people using less power in their home because they could use what daylight is left in the day. Of course, where I live, it's dark by 7:00pm so I guess in that regard, it may be unnecessary. Though in theory, this change would have people using less energy which should make the conservationalists happy.
I do know a teacher at my school, who is the most liberal as they come, had told me she keeps her heat cranked up and lights on. I guess I can't expect any conservation from her.

[JenyEliza]

In another month or so, it will be dark by 4 or 4:30 pm in some parts of this country, 5:00 in others (where I live)....so extending DST does make some sense (to me), even though it is downright inconvenient to change the clocks twice a year.

[Apatriot]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.

Hmmm, a majority of the 435 house members, and the 100 senate members voted for it, and it's Bush's fault?

[stodr]

GPS gets its time from satelites every time they are turned on. So your GPS in your car will have no problem with the change.

That was my first thought. But I believe then it goes and looks what time zone you are in and the date and then computes the time for that area less the few states that do not have DST. IE the GPS only gives you GMT and the computer chip automatically figures local time. That time was based on a date and area. Now the date it does this will be off.

From 1986 to 2006 this has been the first Sunday in April to the last Sunday in October, but starting in 2007, it will be observed from the second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in November, adding about a month to daylight saving time.


If you have to set a time zone you can put in a different time zone for the month that it would be off then change it agian. IE more times to screw it up and forget about it.

I think he might have a point here. It is not the change of time (because really there is not difference there) it is the date it happens is what will screw many of these things up.

[jeepers]

I'm glad I don't own a digital watch with automatic daylight saving time correction.

Whatever happened to owning a watch with HANDS?

No offense, but does every damn thing on the planet have to have computer chips, bells and whistles?

I like things simpler. Things that are simple, break down less easily and are easier/cheaper to fix.

My first car I could fix myself. My carburator died, I bought a new one, replaced with four screws.

My next car had SEVEN computers. IS THIS NECESSARY? Nope.

Couldn't roll my window up? Had to replace the window mechanism AND the motor that ran it.

Technology is a wonderful thing, until it isn't. When it's technology for tech's sake, we've gone too far with little benefit. If it doesn't enhance our lives, and instead, causes more problems, what is the point?

[Apatriot]

Who said it's gone --- it's just LONNNNNNNNGER (2nd Sunday in MARCH until last Sunday in NOVEMBER).

I can understand how starting it earlier would help (i.e. having it occur at about the time of the spring equinox, instead of two weeks after), but I can't see how extending it later in the fall will help......

[Apatriot]

You can't "program" it. It is a CHIP on a computer board that will have to be replaced. I'm told there is no flash memory upgrade available and that the entire board needs to come out and be replaced.

Maybe the correct time of day means nothing to you, but it means a lot to me. My car clock is totally dependent on the GPS navigator and what appear is for the time of day is dependent on which time zone you chose. The daylight savings time calculations happen automatically and, in my car, they cannot be overridden. Also, there are a ton of digital watches on people's wrists that automatically compute daylight savings time. Is it time to throw away watches and buy new ones.

So with your car, what happens if you were to move to Arizona, or to a place with a different time zone? Can it be adjusted?

In terms of digital watches, are their different models for Arizona? If not, then most can turn DST off, or it's not that big a deal.



And you saw the estimated costs of how much just ONE city will have to pay to revamp their entire 911 communications system to accompdate this change. Now multiply that times the number of cities in this country and see just how much the 911 emergency system will cost to upgrade. And is there any guarantee that another energy bill won't be passed further damaging a national standard that other counties also rely on the do business with us?

Don't tease me (I know you like to). I'm about as good as you can get when it comes to programming, but I cannot change out chips in places I cannot get my hands.

Well, maybe people should have pointed some of this stuff out to Congress before they passed the bill.....

Want to hear another good one. My area is going to an area code overlay. That means two area codes will operate in the same area necessitating the dialing of an area code, even the same area code, for all local calls. Not a big deal? No, not to me. But now I have to buy a new burglar alarm because my old one only has a 7 digit capacity to dial the central office. Most apartment buildings in the area have gate phones that visitors must use to input a code to dial a resident .... but these dialers tend to only have 7 digit capacity. All these systems will have to be changed at huge expense. How about all the offices around here that have their phone numbers painted on the wall, on billboards and even in neon ... they now have to figure out how to add and area code or get a new sign. And what about an established business that wants to add a line at the same address. That's right - two area codes at the same address. And many elderly people who make local calls have a hard time learning to dial and area code. Simple for you and me, but difficult for them. They will reach disconnected numbers and just give up. Things are not as simple as they appear.
Well, that's the wave of the future. Atlanta went to that recently.

[JenyEliza]

Well, that's the wave of the future. Atlanta went to that recently.

Actually, we started doing overlay area codes in 1995. We started out with one area code (404).

We now have (404) (770) (678) (706) and (762) (762 is to be implemented early next year).

http://www.psc.state.ga.us/newsinfo/releases/2005/062405.pdf

This means (for me)

Home (770)

Cell (678)

Fax (404)

[Apatriot]

Actually, we started doing overlay area codes in 1995. We started out with one area code (404).

We now have (404) (770) (678) (706) and (762) (762 is to be implemented early next year).

http://www.psc.state.ga.us/newsinfo/releases/2005/062405.pdf

This means (for me)

Home (770)

Cell (678)

Fax (404)

I think of 1995 as recently--I guess it's a sign of getting old......

[Souldire]

Seems to me this bill only affects the rich. Quite the contrary to the lib belief that hes only out to get the poor. This is an inside joke from one of my fav sites and about something else but im gonna make it fit (We complain when the administration pukes on us and then we complain when they dont.)

[mekaniker]

Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows?

Speak for yourself. :)

[DLaw911]

Seems to me this bill only affects the rich. Quite the contrary to the lib belief that hes only out to get the poor. This is an inside joke from one of my fav sites and about something else but im gonna make it fit (We complain when the administration pukes on us and then we complain when they dont.)It also means that more of us will be driving to work with the raising sun in our eyes, thus leading to more traffic accidents and deaths. And while kids can enjoy a longer "sunshine" the resulting consequence is that they may have to wait for the school bus two more months a year in the dark.

Here's another shocker for me. My law office software, a $2,890 system on 3 computers, is also dependent on daylight saving time and automatically computes appointment and calendar times based on the long established dates for DST. So, now I find out the software company will not marked a fix, only a new version for the full price. I don't need as new version. I just upgraded to this version. The next version will automatically be over $3,000.00. The more I look into the hassles this bill has created, the more I wish a computer literate person was in the oval office.

And add THIS to the scenario. I was at the federal detention center this morning and there was a person working on the computer. So I asked him about this and <<<READY FOR THIS>>> he said the entire federal bureau of prisons will have to change out DST dependent software on every one of their over 100,000 computers, and on all the computers in every federal court. The Los Angeles Superior Court has indicated that it's software is built around the business day to prevent unauthorized access outside of business hours, thus, during certain days of the year employees will either be able to log on one hour before the business day, or sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for 9:30 am to come around. According to a court commissioner who is familiar with the problem they are trying to come up with the funding for information technology to begin working on what will be a big problem since the local computers are all tied into the state criminal identification index.

[JenyEliza]

I think of 1995 as recently--I guess it's a sign of getting old......

LOL. Only reason I don't think of 1995 as "recently" is cuz that's the year my kids were born. Some days that seems like an eternity ago (like when they're trying to break bones and draw blood during battles).

Back to the area code issue....I grew up in Atlanta. The only area code I'd ever had was 404...til the first overlay. It takes time to get used to 10 digit dialing and multiple area codes, but it can be done (I'd rather, however, go back to 7 digit dialing. I miss it).

One thing we do here in Atlanta when writing out our phone numbers is this shortcut:

Say I'm giving out my home #, I write it: 7) XXX-XXXX

My cell I write out: 6) XXX-XXXX

and fax: 4) XXX-XXXX

Saves a few strokes of the pen and a little time. Also took me a while to catch on when everyone else first started doing it.

Jen

[DLaw911]

Say I'm giving out my home #, I write it: 7) XXX-XXXX

My cell I write out: 6) XXX-XXXX

and fax: 4) XXX-XXXXDon't you hear your phone ringing. I'm calling you. Took me a while to figure out the X is the #9.

[JenyEliza]

Don't you hear your phone ringing. I'm calling you. Took me a while to figure out the X is the #9.

LOL. Sure you're calling me....at what number?? are you sure you have the right area code? :think: You'd be surprised what happens when you dial the right telephone number, but wrong area code. It can be funny sometimes! :D

BTW...in case you didn't understand our shorthand, I'll run through it once again.

We drop the last 2 digits from the area code and then write out the whole telephone number.

Like this

(404) 555-5555

becomes

4) 555-5555

See how easy 10 digit dialing and overlays are? It's a snap. :))

[Apatriot]

It also means that more of us will be driving to work with the raising sun in our eyes, thus leading to more traffic accidents and deaths. And while kids can enjoy a longer "sunshine" the resulting consequence is that they may have to wait for the school bus two more months a year in the dark.

Here's another shocker for me. My law office software, a $2,890 system on 3 computers, is also dependent on daylight saving time and automatically computes appointment and calendar times based on the long established dates for DST. So, now I find out the software company will not marked a fix, only a new version for the full price. I don't need as new version. I just upgraded to this version. The next version will automatically be over $3,000.00. The more I look into the hassles this bill has created, the more I wish a computer literate person was in the oval office.

And add THIS to the scenario. I was at the federal detention center this morning and there was a person working on the computer. So I asked him about this and <<<READY FOR THIS>>> he said the entire federal bureau of prisons will have to change out DST dependent software on every one of their over 100,000 computers, and on all the computers in every federal court. The Los Angeles Superior Court has indicated that it's software is built around the business day to prevent unauthorized access outside of business hours, thus, during certain days of the year employees will either be able to log on one hour before the business day, or sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for 9:30 am to come around. According to a court commissioner who is familiar with the problem they are trying to come up with the funding for information technology to begin working on what will be a big problem since the local computers are all tied into the state criminal identification index.

Blame Congress!!!! They are the ones who put this in the energy bill.

[DLaw911]

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/83073
Study: Daylight Saving Time actually raises utility bills
Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:06PM EST

It's official: Daylight Saving Time is a bust. Designed (and recently extended) as a measure to save energy in a period of inflated electricity prices, an in-depth University of California study has now shown that DST doesn't save anyone any money at all. In fact, it's costing consumers extra, to the tune of $3.19 in extra utility bills per year (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/LOCAL/802280492).

The study was made possible because of the peculiarities of the state of Indiana, which was only partially on DST until 2006. When the whole state finally went DST (to sync with the national business day), some comparisons vs. the prior method were made apparent. The study calculated that the shift costs Indiana residents an extra $8.6 million in electricity bills in total (http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120406767043794825-UOLcfJA8x9Gw9ozbCz77MiLmtaE_20080327.html?mod=tff_ main_tff_top).

Why? Shouldn't they be, well, saving daylight -- and burning fewer light bulbs?

They are, said the study. But while lighting bills were reduced, air-conditioning units had to run more often, because people were home on hot afternoons when they'd otherwise be still at the office. Heaters had to be run on cool mornings, too, when people got up and it was still dark outside.

Professor Matthew Kotchen, who pioneered the study, noted, "I've never had a paper with such a clear and unambiguous finding as this."
This isn't the first time the energy-saving rationale of Daylight Saving Time has been attacked. The first was in 1976, three years after DST went into effect, when the National Bureau of Standards found that there was no significant energy savings after the switch. The recent expansion of DST to a few extra weeks was also revealed to have saved no energy (http://tech.yahoo.com/blog/null/24967) during its run. And yet here we are...

In related news, it was also revealed that Daylight Saving Time actually creates no additional daylight.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Holy **** $3.19 a year, someone get me a ****ing loan and fast!

[Talk2Bill]

SO what are Hillary. barack, and mccain saying about this issue? Was Barack the only one with the foresight and courage to be against it? Was hillary for in at first but now against it? what about mccain? what are his views? Maybe just maybe they will put it back the way it was! But only after the expense of converting to the new rule so we can pay it all again.

[LouC]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.

But it was done "for the children". :whistle:

[Apatriot]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.

Why blame Bush? I would blame the legislators who proposed and passed it. (i.e. the 74 Senators who voted for it, as well as the 249 House members who voted for it) Also, all of that is past. This is the second time we've had the Spring date this early.

[Apatriot]

SO what are Hillary. barack, and mccain saying about this issue? Was Barack the only one with the foresight and courage to be against it? Was hillary for in at first but now against it? what about mccain? what are his views? Maybe just maybe they will put it back the way it was! But only after the expense of converting to the new rule so we can pay it all again.

Clinton voted against it. Obama voted for it. McCain voted against it.

[FidelisAdMortem]

This thread in essence is a complaint of paying an extra $3.19 a year. Are you kidding me? You must be a coupon queen at the supermarket.

[Sir Gallahad]

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/83073

Toldya.

[Talk2Bill]

Clinton voted against it. Obama voted for it. McCain voted against it.




"It's 3 AM or is it 2AM or 4? Whatever I am confused....but the point it is late at night, your kids are in bed sleeping and safe.... the phone rings at the white house. Who do you want to answer that call? "

[jb1500]

You people seriously don't like Daylight Saving Time?? I have looked forward to the time change each year ever since I was a child. The days are longer--it doesn't feel so late when you come home while it's still light--and traffic is lighter. For those of us who are "night blind", it really is great.

[Fire Watch]

This stupid crap is going to be a nightmare.
2-1/2 yrs later...no nightmare.

[Dual867PowerMac]

This stupid crap is going to be a nightmare.
Love that pic of Hillary. :))

[Dreamy]

Holy **** $3.19 a year, someone get me a ****ing loan and fast!

:))

[waynevan]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent..................blahblahblahblah


One day your convinced about global warming and then when you actually get to contribute to doing something about it you throw a fit. Don't be such a hypocrite, we are saving billions of gallons of oil here man, billions.

[DLaw911]

Holy **** $3.19 a year, someone get me a ****ing loan and fast!That's a Big Mac, fries and a Coke.

[FidelisAdMortem]

That's a Big Mac, fries and a Coke.

What McDonalds do you go to? That meal in NY is at least 5 bucks and change with tax.

Settle down couponqueen and pay the 3 bucks a year.

[curtis123]

Well this finally proves that brain cells are not a necessary qualification for president of the United States. I really did not pay attention when Bush signed the new energy bill and, in fact, I it went without notice to a lot of people that Bush signed law extending daylight savings time.

For any of us that have digital devices dependent on the current dates for daylight savings time, get ready to fork out bucks. The same goes for any software that also changes its internal date to match the current daylight savings.

According to the City of Los Angeles they will spend over a FIVE million dollars to hire a firm to reprogram all their 911 computers so that they will not be an hour off starting in 2007. Got car GPS navigation that sets the time by a radio signal. Get it reprogrammed. Lexus says it will charge $200 for the reprogramming.

And then there is poor Brookstone that sells the Smartset line of clocks and clock radios which set themselves by an internal chip programmed to current daylight savings time. Now they have to warn their customers with a disclaimer that the clocks will no longer set the correct time after the new daylight savings time goes into effect. Brookstone estimates that to replace their existing stock with re-programmmed clocks will cost upwards of $15,000,000 AND they are offering free exchanges to customers who already own the clocks.

Then there are all the cell phones which automatically set the time and convert to DST. Don't use your cell phone to see what time it is. And of course Windows and Macs will have to write new software fixes.

Why did Bush sign this bill? Does he have any idea that we no longer eat off the ground and hunt with bow and arrows? This is the digital age, the age of automation, and Bush is tinkering around with people's lives by signing off on this change. I can only hope that some moron simply stuck it under his chin, handed him a pen and said it was an autograph for Vicente Ford, but I don't give Bush that much credit. I figure the digital devices I will have to replace and reprogram will cost me $1,500.00 and I either want a check from the Whine House or a tax credit. And every other American should complain as well for this stupid and unnecessary bill.

I don't see the point in daylight savings time anyway. If I had my way, we wouldn't be doing that stupid process twice a year.

Get up earlier. Go to bed when it gets dark.

Who said, "it's like cutting an inch off the bottom of a sheet of paper and taping it to the top"?

Dead on.

[Clamp]

More heat for an hour in the morning or more AC for an hour in the evening. This is whats causing the $3.19 average rate increase?

You are still in the house for the same amount of time every day, so you are either paying for 1 hour of AC or 1 hour of heat.

I think the real issue is the people either have an inefficient AC or an inefficient furnace, depending on which they use more during DST fall backs or spring aheads...

[DLaw911]

What McDonalds do you go to? That meal in NY is at least 5 bucks and change with tax.

Settle down couponqueen and pay the 3 bucks a year.I forgot about NYC. Between there and Hawaii the highest prices for a burger anyplace. That's why I love NYC's 24 hour deli's. I'm jealous.

[Sir Gallahad]

What McDonalds do you go to? That meal in NY is at least 5 bucks and change with tax.

Settle down couponqueen and pay the 3 bucks a year.

Heck, here in Michigan that meal will cost close to $5.

[Dragon1963]

You people seriously don't like Daylight Saving Time?? I have looked forward to the time change each year ever since I was a child. The days are longer--it doesn't feel so late when you come home while it's still light--and traffic is lighter. For those of us who are "night blind", it really is great.

Fact the day isn't longer because of Daylight SavingTime. Its longer because there actually more hours of daylight during the period that DST is in effect. So your just being fooled by an illusion.

[Dragon1963]

For those of you who are tired of DST there is a solution. Start a petition in your state to remove DST and educate the public in the fallacy DST.

[rob_b52]

You people seriously don't like Daylight Saving Time?? I have looked forward to the time change each year ever since I was a child. The days are longer--it doesn't feel so late when you come home while it's still light--and traffic is lighter. For those of us who are "night blind", it really is great.

I like that on one day of the year, I work an 11 hour shift instead of my usual 12

[FidelisAdMortem]

The clocks are going ahead soon here. I'm gonna lose sleep. Wah.

[gdoane]

You people seriously don't like Daylight Saving Time?? I have looked forward to the time change each year ever since I was a child. The days are longer--it doesn't feel so late when you come home while it's still light--and traffic is lighter. For those of us who are "night blind", it really is great.

I can't stand DST. I don't participate in it, along with the entire State of Arizona. When the temperature hits 115° in the shade, we really don't need more daylight. Got plenty.

I don't have any problem with clocks because most everything can turn DST off. Computers even have an Arizona time zone of sorts, which is just MST with no daylight saving silliness.

Time is supposed to be a standard. Altering it erodes the value as a standard. It should be left alone and not modified for political purposes.