August 6th, 2001 PDB vs 1999 Report Revisited...

[tha malcontent™]

A Rant from another Thread about the Infamouse "Downing Street Memo"...

...This reminds me of how the Left only Read the Title of the August 6th PDB and said, "SEE!, he was going to Attack us, and (43) should've done something!"...

Of course, they Failed to Read, or Refuse to Acknowledge that the PDB said nothing Specifically and was a Reflection of an ongoing Position that bin Laden had since before he "DELCARED WAR" on us 4 years earlier...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html)
^Funny, that PDB says bin Laden wanted ot Hijack Planes in Exchange for Prisoners...

What did Clinton do for the Remaining 4 years of his Presidency that bin Laden was at War with us Officially?...

Oh yeah, he Refused to take bin Laden from the Sudanese when Offered, instead Opting to Bomb a Medicinal Factory that Aided Ailing Arab Peoples as Distraction from his Sexual Abuse of an Unpaid Subordinate Intern in the Oval Office while Discussing Troop Deployment with a Congressman on the Phone...

Then there's the 1999 Report Clinton Ignored...

http://associalisticpress.com/ap-05-17-2002-extra.html (http://associalisticpress.com/ap-05-17-2002-extra.html)
^Ignored AP story

"Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House,'' the September 1999 report said.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/..._Terrorism.pdf (http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/Soc_Psych_of_Terrorism.pdf)
^Actual Report

2 years before the 11th Clinton had this Information...

And he wasn't Responsible for the 10 Year Expansion, nor did he Sustain it until he Left Office...

But that's for another Thread! ;)

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[MrCapitalism]

Thank you for the links and your commentary, they provide a valuable starting point for discussion.

[tha malcontent™]

Thank you for the links and your commentary, they provide a valuable starting point for discussion.

NO!...

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[Vaard]

if terrorism was such a threat under clinton, how come once bush took office, he did absolutely nothing concerning it and instead, prior to 9/11, strived to be the president who took the most vacation days ever?

i dont blame bush for not stopping 9/11 based on the PDB since it was so vague, there was nothing to really respond to........ i dont blame bush for 9/11 at all........


but this whole talking point of clintoin doing nothing about terrorism is a load of crap since it not considered a serious threat by either party prior to 9/11..........


so unless you can go back and show me that bush was taking active steps to figth terrorism prior to 9/11, this whol talking pooint of "clinton ignored the terrorist threat" hold just as true for bush and republicans.........

[tha malcontent™]

if terrorism was such a threat under clinton, how come once bush took office, he did absolutely nothing concerning it and instead, prior to 9/11, strived to be the president who took the most vacation days ever?

i dont blame bush for not stopping 9/11 based on the PDB since it was so vague, there was nothing to really respond to........ i dont blame bush for 9/11 at all........


but this whole talking point of clintoin doing nothing about terrorism is a load of crap since it not considered a serious threat by either party prior to 9/11..........


so unless you can go back and show me that bush was taking active steps to figth terrorism prior to 9/11, this whol talking pooint of "clinton ignored the terrorist threat" hold just as true for bush and republicans.........

Classic...

That's a Concession that Clinton had Deliberate Warnings, Declarations of War, and Attacks on our Soil and did nothing, but (43) was Supposed to come into Office Guns a Blazing Months after the Cole, Correct?...

Got it.

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[tha malcontent™]

Um... Yeah.

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[tha malcontent™]

AHEM!... ;)

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[Dale in GA]

Classic...

That's a Concession that Clinton had Deliberate Warnings, Declarations of War, and Attacks on our Soil and did nothing, but (43) was Supposed to come into Office Guns a Blazing Months after the Cole, Correct?...

Got it.

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Actually, yes. TThe Cole was bombed just a couple of weeks before the election, and if GWB and co. thought the Clinton response was insufficient, they should have taken appropriate action.

The inaction of GWB and his cohorts in the area of terrorism up until the attacks of 9/11 seem to suggest that they felt the Clinton response to have been adequate.

[Polkfan]

Classic...

That's a Concession that Clinton had Deliberate Warnings, Declarations of War, and Attacks on our Soil and did nothing, but (43) was Supposed to come into Office Guns a Blazing Months after the Cole, Correct?...

Got it.

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Yeah, because if your going to bitch about Clinton not having guns ablazing, then you need to be critical of Bush not only not going strong after Bin Laden, but trading in the gun for a turkey sandwich.

[PeterGriffin]

Under a FOIA request, you can view Bush's actual copy of that PDB:

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2004/images/pdb.jpg

[skipjack]

Please tell me the DSM isn't coming back up. That was fully debunked years ago.

Skip

[tha malcontent™]

Actually, yes. TThe Cole was bombed just a couple of weeks before the election, and if GWB and co. thought the Clinton response was insufficient, they should have taken appropriate action.

The inaction of GWB and his cohorts in the area of terrorism up until the attacks of 9/11 seem to suggest that they felt the Clinton response to have been adequate.

Inaction came for 8 years on the part of Clinton...

I was not Specifically Criticizing Clinton for his Response to the Cole, I was more Focusing on the 1993 Attack by the Mastermind of 9/11 and Iraq Agent Ramzi Yousef, the Declaration of War in 1996 by bin Laden, and the 1999 Report that Clearly Illustrated Planes be using as Missiles Against Targets such as the Pentagon...

He had 8 years and PLENTY of things to Respond to, (43) had 8 months and then the 11th.

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[tha malcontent™]

Simply can't be Bumped enough...

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[freemind]

Classic...

That's a Concession that Clinton had Deliberate Warnings, Declarations of War, and Attacks on our Soil and did nothing, but (43) was Supposed to come into Office Guns a Blazing Months after the Cole, Correct?...

Got it.

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There was an increase in alerts from intelligence sources during the summer of 2001 that were ignore by the Bush administration because they were already planning their invasion of Iraq.

[tha malcontent™]

There was an increase in alerts from intelligence sources during the summer of 2001 that were ignore by the Bush administration because they were already planning their invasion of Iraq.

Yeah, Thanks for Addressing the Extensive and Specific Report that Clinton got in 1999... 2 YEARS BEFORE the 11th...

And 6 YEARS AFTER the First Attack on the World Trade Center at the Beginning of Clinton's Term.

Clinton had the same "alerts" and Warnings in PDB's that (43) had...

And More.... Deal with the 1999 Report and the Attack that Happened on Clinton's Watch in his First year.

Clinton also had 8 Years to Deal with this, while (43)'s First Attack Came in his First 8 Months.

And there was a Response, my Friend.

Unlike when American Blood was Shed on American Soil in 1993.

Clinton will have his Inaction for 8 Years on his Soul for Eternity...

He Knew it that Morning on the 11th, and I Bet there isn't a Day that Passes that he doesn't Know what his Innaction Manifest.

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[freemind]

Clinton had the same "alerts" and Warnings in PDB's that (43) had...



I'm certainly not saying Clinton is blameless, but there is this right-wing meme that 9/11 was all Clinton's fault.

They didn't have the same alerts. There was an INCREASE of alerts from intelligence sources during the summer of 2001 that something was about to happen. In fairness to the Bush administration, I'm sure they couldn't have imagined anything on the scale of the WTC attacks, but the warnings were there and went unheeded.

[tha malcontent™]

I'm certainly not saying Clinton is blameless, but there is this right-wing meme that 9/11 was all Clinton's fault.

They didn't have the same alerts. There was an INCREASE of alerts from intelligence sources during the summer of 2001 that something was about to happen. In fairness to the Bush administration, I'm sure they couldn't have imagined anything on the scale of the WTC attacks, but the warnings were there and went unheeded.

Clinton had Blood on American Soil in his First Year...

February 26th, 1993...

KSM and Ramzi Yousef Failed to Kill More Americans that Day and Bring those Towers Down...

You don't get a Bigger Warning in a PDB or Elsewhere about Ilsamists Intentions than an Actual Attack...

But there were more for the 8 years he was in Office Following that First Attack...

A Declaration of War from bin Laden in 1996...

Various Attacks on our Interests...

bin Laden being Offered by the Sudanese who Clinton later Attacked...

The 1999 Report that Illustrated that al Qaeda was Planning to Use Planes Against Targets including the Pentagon, which they did 2 years Later...

Right now...

Next Post you Post...

Tell me what was Specifically Actionable in that August PDB that the Left always Yaps about.

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[freemind]

Next Post you Post...

Tell me what was Specifically Actionable in that August PDB that the Left always Yaps about.

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I'm not talking about the PDB. I'm talking about this.

From:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002-09-19-attacks-intelligence_x.htm


"Evidence that a large terrorist attack was in the works in the spring and summer of 2001:

March 2001: An intelligence source claimed bin Laden operatives were planning a strike in the following month.

April 2001: U.S. intelligence received reports of a possible terrorist plot in New York and California.

May-July 2001: The National Security Agency received at least 33 communications suggesting a terrorist attack was imminent. None provided any specific information on locations, dates or methods.

May 2001: U.S. intelligence received reports that al-Qaeda operatives were planning to enter the United States from Canada to conduct bombings. No specifics were provided, but this report was widely distributed.

May 2001: The Pentagon learned that seven bin Laden associates had departed various places for Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States.

June 2001: The CIA's Counterterrorism Center learned that key bin Laden operatives were disappearing, while others were preparing for martyrdom.

July 2001: A U.S. intelligence source reported that numerous people in Afghanistan were "talking about an impending attack."

Aug. 16, 2001: The Immigration and Naturalization Service detains Zacarias Moussaoui, who was attending flight school in Minnesota. He was later accused of ties to the Sept. 11 hijackers.

Aug. 23, 2001: The CIA, acting on old information about a terrorist meeting in Malaysia, asks that two eventual Sept. 11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, be put on the State Department's watch list for denying visas. But they were already in the United States, and an FBI manhunt did not turn them up before the attacks.

Late summer 2001: The CIA learned that an al-Qaeda operative was considering mounting terrorist operations in the United States. No specifics were provided.

Sept. 10, 2001: The NSA intercepts two communications suggesting terrorist attacks are imminent, but no specific information is provided. These are not translated until Sept. 12, however. It's unclear if these were references to the Sept. 11 attacks. "

[tha malcontent™]

I'm not talking about the PDB. I'm talking about this.

From:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002-09-19-attacks-intelligence_x.htm

And I Submit to you that the Largest of ALL Evidence was the ACTUAL Attack in Clinton's First Year...

These "Warnings" that you Posted are a Common thing...

They were in 1993...

94...

95...

96...

97...

98...

Etc, etc...

They will be in 10 Years.

We are now Going after them Now...

That didn't Start until September 12th, 2001.

Reality is Reality.

You can Monday Morning QB about the Intel that was put together AFTER the Fact, but NOBODY was Screaming "Terrorist Attack is Coming" in the Spring of 2001....

Or the Summer...

Nothing Specific.

Save that for Someone who Doesn't Know Better.

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[freemind]

And I Submit to you that the Largest of ALL Evidence was the ACTUAL Attack in Clinton's First Year...


So Bush was not aware of the 1993 WTC bombing?



We are now Going after them Now...

That didn't Start until September 12th, 2001.

Reality is Reality.

You can Monday Morning QB about the Intel that was put together AFTER the Fact, but NOBODY was Screaming "Terrorist Attack is Coming" in the Spring of 2001....



Yes, that is exactly what some were screaming. Warnings were there they just weren't given any priority.

There probably wasn't enough specific information to prevent the attacks, but if that is the case it applies equally to Clinton.

[tha malcontent™]

So Bush was not aware of the 1993 WTC bombing?

You can't be Serious?... After 8 Years of Inaction by Clinton, (43) Comes into Office Bombing Arab Nations because of WTC I in 1993?...

Try again.

Yes, that is exactly what some were screaming. Warnings were there they just weren't given any priority.

There probably wasn't enough specific information to prevent the attacks, but if that is the case it applies equally to Clinton.

There are always Warnings...

We could be Attacking Iran right now Based on the Same "Warnings"...

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[Gh0sTeR]

if terrorism was such a threat under clinton, how come once bush took office, he did absolutely nothing concerning it and instead, prior to 9/11, strived to be the president who took the most vacation days ever?

i dont blame bush for not stopping 9/11 based on the PDB since it was so vague, there was nothing to really respond to........ i dont blame bush for 9/11 at all........


but this whole talking point of clintoin doing nothing about terrorism is a load of crap since it not considered a serious threat by either party prior to 9/11..........


so unless you can go back and show me that bush was taking active steps to figth terrorism prior to 9/11, this whol talking pooint of "clinton ignored the terrorist threat" hold just as true for bush and republicans.........


Good post V man. Bottom line, is that they ALL failed to protect us. They ALL failed to protect America and Americans. And by ALL, I mean Clinton and his administration, Bush and his, the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc... They all failed us.

[Dale in GA]

GWB isn't running for re-election - why bump a thread started for the sole purpose of firmly establishing a halo about his head?

Or is it just the case that there weren't a sufficient number of "blame Clinton" threads on the board?

[Dale in GA]

Good post V man. Bottom line, is that they ALL failed to protect us. They ALL failed to protect America and Americans. And by ALL, I mean Clinton and his administration, Bush and his, the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc... They all failed us.

Too busy fighting each other, I think.

Good thing that's all behind us . . .

For the most part.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/washington/22military.html

[dittoheadAZ]

if terrorism was such a threat under clinton, how come once bush took office, he did absolutely nothing concerning it and instead, prior to 9/11, strived to be the president who took the most vacation days ever?

Nice try. The President NEVER has a "vacation day" - even when not at the White House, he has FULL ACCESS to EVERYTHING.

Plus - he had to get out because they had to give the Oval Office carpet one HECK of a scrubbing...

[tha malcontent™]

GWB isn't running for re-election - why bump a thread started for the sole purpose of firmly establishing a halo about his head?

Or is it just the case that there weren't a sufficient number of "blame Clinton" threads on the board?

It's about Truth... Garlic to Liberals.

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[tha malcontent™]

As the Left Attempts to Re-Write History, let's Revisit some...

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[aggies for conservatism]

your rhetorical question about vacation spent is very LIB of you...not a serious threat under clinton? are you blind? wake up and read

if terrorism was such a threat under clinton, how come once bush took office, he did absolutely nothing concerning it and instead, prior to 9/11, strived to be the president who took the most vacation days ever?

i dont blame bush for not stopping 9/11 based on the PDB since it was so vague, there was nothing to really respond to........ i dont blame bush for 9/11 at all........


but this whole talking point of clintoin doing nothing about terrorism is a load of crap since it not considered a serious threat by either party prior to 9/11..........


so unless you can go back and show me that bush was taking active steps to figth terrorism prior to 9/11, this whol talking pooint of "clinton ignored the terrorist threat" hold just as true for bush and republicans.........

[tha malcontent™]

your rhetorical question about vacation spent is very LIB of you...not a serious threat under clinton? are you blind? wake up and read

That 1999 Report is a Bitch for the Left...

Punching Monitors is what Usually Follows after those who are Honest enough to Read it, Read it...

They they Continue to Lie about it.

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[tha malcontent™]

1999 was a Fun Year for Billy!

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[tha malcontent™]

Cricket's Chirping... For Months... Correction, YEARS!...

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