Special Training Class for Those Just Waking Up

[SFC(R)L]

You've become tiresome.

If you had any refuting arguments, you would post them.

Instead, you keep posting self-serving, wild-eyed, moronic personal attacks.

Since you can add nothing to my class except your lies, maybe it's time for you to be quiet.

[SFC(R)L]

Gaubatz: There are four sites I identified in southern Iraq. Two are within the city limits, one about 20 miles south of Nasiriyah (in the vicinity of Suk Ash Shuyakh), and another near the port of Umm Qasr (near Basrah). Three agents and I identified these sites. We had multiple sources, from various backgrounds, and who had access to the information.

One must remember that at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the average Iraqi was more open to providing Americans intelligence. They wanted Saddam removed and wanted chemical and biological weapons removed as well. The people of southern Iraq had fully expected WMDs to be used against them as well. Each of their homes had been prepared for a chemical attack. Many had gas masks and had sealed certain rooms in their homes. We were shown this.

Iraqis from backgrounds such as Iraqi Police officers, Doctors, Engineers, Iraqi Govt. officials, farmers, tribesmen, etc. identified sites that contained WMDs. They explained in detail why WMDs were in these areas and asked the U.S. to remove the WMDs. Much of the WMDs had been buried in rivers (within concrete bunkers), and in the sewage pipe system. There were signs of chemical activity in the area (missile imprints, gas masks, decontamination kits, atropine needles, etc..) The Iraqis and my team had no doubt WMDs were hidden in these areas.

The Agents and I knew we had found what we had been looking for. We immediately wrote our reports, which included all the source names, their credibility, their contact information, grid coordinates of the sites, and photographs. The reports were then sent to the U.S. Weapons Inspectors (in northern Iraq). This was mid April 2003. We were initially told by the Inspectors that their team was not organized at this point to conduct exploitations of sites. The sites we had identified would require an extensive amount of excavation. The actual ISG was not formed until a couple of months after the war. Not only did ISG not have the people and proper equipment, they advised Iraq was still a combat zone and very dangerous. ISG members further told us that WMD searches were being concentrated in northern Iraq, and not southern Iraq.

This was the first and largest mistake by ISG. During my intelligence gathering the Iraqis had told us that Saddam concentrated on hiding the WMDs in the southern region because the history of prior UN Weapons Inspections had always concentrated in searches of northern faculties. Searches in southern Iraq had primarily been helicopter flyovers. I have respect for every U.S. member of ISG who served in Iraq, but as an organization, the management was poor. They were not organized nor prepared for this type operation. I compare them to FEMA during Hurricane Katrina. Good people, but poor management. Poor management results in disaster and failure.

FP: Is there a possibly that some of the sites you identified three years ago may have been exploited by others (not the U.S.)? Could the government be covering this up because it may be embarrassing that we let the WMDs slip out of our fingers when we had a chance to obtain them?

Gaubatz: This has been an uphill battle for 3 years (to get the sites searched). The more intelligence I have obtained during the last 3 years is starting to point to the strong possibility that we lost a major opportunity by not searching the sites I identified.

Although I believe some of the WMD sites still contain chemical and biological weapons, there are indicators the Russians may have assisted in exploiting some of the WMDs from one or more of these sites. The Iraqi people told us that Russian intelligence had been well organized in Iraq before the war, and also Iranian personnel. We were told if we don't remove the WMDs, others will. The Iraqi sources were constantly asking us when we were going to remove the WMDs. We just shook our heads. ISG would not come to our locations to exploit. Not only had we risked our lives, but many Iraqi people had done so as well by assisting us.

I have provided detailed information to Congressman Pete Hoekstra and Congressman Curt Weldon. The 15 plus pages of detailed information I provided to them leaves no doubt accurate and verifiable intelligence was obtained about WMD in southern Iraq. I not only provided them names, addresses, and phone numbers of Iraqis who can confirm the WMDs, but also the Russian and Iranian involvement. The latest information was provided to Congressman Weldon during the period 16 Mar 2006, through 4 Apr 2006. I spent several days assisting them in converting military grid coordinates into longitude and latitude, which would put them within one meter of the sites.

FP: Do you feel President Bush and Congress were provided accurate intelligence before, during, and after the war?

Gaubatz: The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received.

There was no intelligence failure; there was a serious dissemination failure. The intelligence ground agents obtained what they had to obtain, but they must in the future get it into the appropriate hands immediately without it being filtered. I have no doubt that no member of Congress or President Bush ever got the intelligence myself and other Agents assigned to Nasiriyah, Iraq obtained. I know Congressman Hoekstra nor Congressman Weldon had ever seen this. After the war, President Bush was briefed that WMDs were not in Iraq and all suspected WMDs sites were searched. All sites have not been searched.

FP: Thank you for joining us today sir.

Gaubatz: Thank you Jamie.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={ADD15EB9-3A51-46D1-B834-27EEDE7AF8CB}

[GetItRight]

You've become tiresome.More tiresome than cutting and pasting everything you find on the interent?

If you had any refuting arguments, you would post them.I have. Like I refuted the trailers, the botulinum, and you're insistance that you never lied, when you did.

[SFC(R)L]

You have nothing constructive to add, nor can you refute that which have placed here.

Run along, now...your mommy wants you.

[SFC(R)L]

More tiresome than cutting and pasting everything you find on the interent?

I have. Like I refuted the trailers, the botulinum, and you're insistance that you never lied, when you did.

sigh

I toasted you on all topics and caught you lying

you're not even smart enough to remember your own lies

you must be a democrat...you pop awake every day and shout "Happy Birthday!", like Frosty the Snowman.

Take your room-temp intellect elsewhere or post refutations to the facts you never knew.

[GetItRight]

I toasted you on all topics and caught you lyingHow many more times do we have to do this? Seriously. You pretend I didn't post all the facts and evidence of the last 20 pages. You pretend that you didn't lie. You pretend you caught me lying. How many times will you just keep popping in to say the same crap, over and over and over and over and over?

Here, let's look at YOUR lie, once again, in case you missed it the first 3 times. You said, and I quote: "You wrote that Iraq had no nuclear material at all." I never, ever posted anything like that. When you say something that is patently untrue and you know it, that's a lie.

[FactHunter]

these are the nuclear materials our troops discovered in iraq, that you stated did not exist.

Hadn't this uranium (and other materials) been in Iraq, under seal of the IAEA, since the first Gulf War? If so, we already knew of its existence and location - there was nothing to discover, at least not this time.

[content]

You pick.

I am presenting the documented evidence from the public record.

If you think it's funny that this matter has not been properly vetted, and appropriate actions have not been taken, then there's something seriously wrong with you.

No, I don't think not finding WMDs is one bit funny.

[SFC(R)L]

Yawn....no facts.

[SFC(R)L]

No, I don't think not finding WMDs is one bit funny.

Neither do I.

Not funny at all.

Which begs the questions:

Why aren't you more interested in what has been found

and

where are the WMD?

[SFC(R)L]

Hadn't this uranium (and other materials) been in Iraq, under seal of the IAEA, since the first Gulf War? If so, we already knew of its existence and location - there was nothing to discover, at least not this time.

Yes.

And we were able to recover some 1.77 tons of it.

The poster in question stated that these materials did not exist, even after I showed him where we went and got it.

Thanks for assisting me in making this point.

[FactHunter]

Thanks for assisting me in making this point.

I really am just interested in the facts.

[SFC(R)L]

I really am just interested in the facts.

As am I.

The Uranium Joe Wilson Didn't Mention

By April 2003, when the U.S. invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein had stockpiled 500 tons of yellowcake uranium at his al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons development plant south of Baghdad.

That intriguing little detail is almost never mentioned by the big media, who prefer to chant the mantra "Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction" while echoing Joseph Wilson's claim that "Bush lied" about Iraq seeking more of the nuclear material in Niger.

First, the facts - from a reliable critic of the White House, the New York Times, which covered the story long after the paper announced it was tightening its standards on WMD news out of Iraq.

"The repository, at Tuwaitha, a centerpiece of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program until it was largely shut down after the first Persian Gulf war in 1991, holds more than 500 tons of uranium," the paper revealed, before insisting: "None of it [is] enriched enough to be used directly in a nuclear weapon."

Well, almost none.

The Times went on to report that amidst Saddam's yellowcake stockpile, U.S. weapons inspectors found "some 1.8 tons" that they "classified as low-enriched uranium."

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/17/171214.shtml

[GetItRight]

I really am just interested in the facts.Then why would you even consider listenting to SFC? You're not going to get facts from him.

Even though I've shown him a liar over and over, he's right up there, lying yet again.

"The poster in question stated that these materials did not exist, even after I showed him where we went and got it."

As I've shown, I never ever said that. But that hasn't stopped him from lying about it, over and over and over and over. That's what he does. He lies and spreads misinformation.


But, if you are interested in facts, here's the information on the nuclear materials:

"Several tons of low-grade uranium has been stored at Tuwaitha, Iraq's principle nuclear research center and a site that has been under IAEA safeguards for years, the official said. The Iraqis were allowed to keep the material because it was unfit for weapons use without costly and time-consuming enrichment.

Tuwaitha contains 1.8 tons of low-grade enriched uranium and several tons of natural and depleted uranium.

The uranium was inspected by the U.N. nuclear agency twice a year and was kept under IAEA seal at least until early this week, when the Marines seized control of the site.

The U.N. nuclear agency's inspectors have visited Tuwaitha about two dozen times, including a dozen checks carried out since December, most recently on Feb. 6."

Cite (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-13.htm)

and

"Inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog reported after visiting Iraq that they found no evidence of nuclear material being diverted into any undeclared activity, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Friday.

'The material -- natural or low-enriched uranium -- is consolidated at a storage facility near the Tuwaitha complex, south of Baghdad,' the IAEA statement said.

'The inspectors found no diversion of nuclear material,' it said."

Cite (http://www.forbes.com/finance/feeds/afx/2005/09/23/afx2241585.html)

and

"Results of ISG’s Investigation on Nuclear Issues

Iraq did not possess a nuclear device, nor had it tried to reconstitute a capability to produce nuclear weapons after 1991.

ISG has uncovered no information to support allegations of Iraqi pursuit of uranium from abroad in the post-Operation Desert Storm era.

Iraq did not reconstitute its indigenous ability to produce yellowcake. As a result of Desert Storm and IAEA inspection efforts, Iraq’s indigenous yellowcake production capability appears to have been eliminated. Bomb damage in 1991 destroyed the uranium extraction facility at the Al Qaim Superphosphate Fertilizer Plant. During the years of intrusive inspections, the IAEA also closed and sealed the Abu Skhair mine to curtail Iraq’s secondary pilot plant production capability for acquiring uranium.

Post-1991, Iraq had neither rebuilt any capability to convert uranium ore into a form suitable for enrichment nor reestablished other chemical processes related to handling fissile material for a weapons program.

From the Iraq Study Group (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol2_nuclear-02.htm).

If you're looking for facts, you're better off talking to that crazy guy who lives in the alley than SFC.

[SFC(R)L]

It's 9-11

in the hour that the planes hit the towers

shut up and stand at attention

[GetItRight]

It's 9-11

in the hour that the planes hit the towers

shut up and stand at attentionPartial list of posters who posted in the "hour that the planes hit the towers:

BravoBuzzard
Mohawk 5
CiGuy2001
H-Minus
agent_86
CrusaderFrank
DarkStarrRingo
Aristophanes

And the list goes on and on....

List of the posters that SFC told how he has to remember 9/11.

GetitRight.

How surprising.:rolleyes:

[SFC(R)L]

http://www.aina.org/news/20071116105448.htm

The gist of the new evidence is this: roughly one quarter of Saddam's WMD was destroyed under UN pressure during the early to mid 1990's. Saddam sold approximately another quarter of his weapons stockpile to his Arab neighbors during the mid to late 1990's. The Russians insisted on removing another quarter in the last few months before the war. The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddam's nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003, but were stolen from under the Americans' noses and sent to Syria. Syria is one of eight countries in the world that never signed a treaty banning WMD, and now is the storehouse for much of what remains of Saddam's WMD Empire. This was the target of the recent Israeli air strike.

In the last year of his regime, Saddam was in fact still trying to expand his chemical weapons capability. In January 2002, his advisors discussed research into a precursor for Sarin nerve gas.[9] In September 2002, for example, only seven months before the war, Saddam's Military Industrial Commission approved the illegal production of the precursor chemicals used to make Tabun nerve gas.[10] Four days later, another office discussed plans to import a banned compound, phosphorus pentasulfate. The UN had required Iraq to prove that it had destroyed all of its stocks of this chemical, which is a precursor for VX nerve gas. Instead, they were importing more of it.[11] In October 2002, Saddam's Director of Planning ordered more than forty tons of various chemicals which, when mixed together, would make Zyclon B -- the poison gas used by the Nazis to kill millions of Jews during the Holocaust.[12] Saddam's scientists appear never to have met a poison gas they did not like.

On a personal note, as a Democrat, it gives me no pleasure to concede that Bush and Blair were right. As a lawyer, I must conclude from this new documentary evidence and my own interviews that the leaders of the Coalition were completely ignorant of the underground Iraqi WMD facilities, but, in hindsight, I must concede that the discovery of Saddam's secret nuclear program now provides sufficient legal justification for the use of force.

It is still too early for a conclusive assessment, and many more documents will need to be analyzed, but it appears that Saddam may have been Al Qaeda's long-term secret partner in launching successful terrorist attacks against the western countries. Saddam's secret files contain direct references to aiding anthrax attacks in the United States, planning the "Blessed July" bombings in London, coordinating the assault on the National Guard Headquarters in Saudi Arabia, and committing numerous attacks against Israel.

If it is true, as a cursory initial reading of these files suggest, that Saddam was the secret partner of Usama Bin Laden, then the history of terrorism will have to be rewritten. Whether the answers gain a wide audience or not, they will soon enough be known. For we live in an age of documents. There are no more secrets, only deferred disclosures.

[ThePastafarian]

They will attack the source. The only acceptable sources are op ed pieces from leftist media or academics.

how about the 9/11 commission's report?

[soldier_scotty]

All of this so called "evidence" was carefully examined by the bi-partisan 9/11 commision and determined to be inconclusive. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States. The article quoted above is from 2002, during the reality distortion campaign designed to support the war. This is nothing new.


And just like a good tool, you did as predicted.
A bi-partisan commission? Give me a break!
The reports on the other hand, were not from one source, or one commission, but several, and they were gathered over years. Your observation holds no water.

[soldier_scotty]

Yeah, when you disagree with the facts, it is best to ridicule the source.



uhhh, like you did?:)):)):))

[soldier_scotty]

Right. We can't believe anything that is written by anyone ever. Therefore, all the posts and quotes at the beginning of this thread must be discounted as well.


Afterall, if you can't believe terrorist, who can you believe?:)):))

[soldier_scotty]

No one in the know has ever denied that Saddam was a "player" in "terror circles". The gassing of the Kurds in the 80s is proof enough of that.

What "everyone with a functioning brain" also knows is that the role Saddam played in 9/11 was grossly exaggerated by the Bush adminstration in the months leading up to the invasion specifically to justify the war and avoid the real debate over a policy of regime change.


Gosh, I missed Bush's address on how saddam was tied to 9/11 as reason to go to war. Can you find a link?:))

[soldier_scotty]

Well, Cheney certainly implied it:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

"...we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11"

Sounds like he was generalizing all terrorist activity. But you spin it anyway you want.:))

[soldier_scotty]

Just proves my point - it was bi-partisan. Or does that violate the "fair and balanced" rule - "It is only fair and balanced if I agree with it"?


You were dropped on your head alot as a little kid weren't you?

[soldier_scotty]

That is what really blows my mind. All this stuff is available for everyone and anyone. Yet, the Dems still are on Fox, pulling ignorant stunts like shutting down the Senate to STILL scream that we went to war under false pretenses. How can they get away with this crap, when all this stuff is out there? How can they possibly claim that the administration lied to everyone, when these reports are open to the public? How can anyone possibly believe what Dems are saying, or why they are acting like this? Are Americans that gullible and stupid to not check into anything?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I just don't get it !!!


Sadly, Yes! The average democrat is largely uninformed. Outside of Bush and Chenney, they don't know who our leaders are. If asked about their choice for president, they can't give a list of accomplishments that makes that person qualified for the high office. It's largely what makes them feel good, and anybody but Bush. And yes, there are some idiots who think Bush will be on the Ballot.:))

[SFC(R)L]

The last article posted corroborates that Iraq had WMD, they were moved to Syria (not a myth), russia was involved, and the mobile WMD trailers were just that.

And Iraq was tied to Al Qaeda, and was planning a nucear capability.

Like I said.

[SFC(R)L]

bump

[Korg]

Iraqi Terrorists Detail Ties To Bin Laden
Dave Eberhart,
Monday, March 18, 2002
So how much of this has actually been corroborated in the past six years? We got told a lot of things by Iraqi expats and other sources prior to the war that turned out to be a lot of nonsense...does this information fall into that category now, or did we find out that it was actually true? Or do we not know either way?

[SFC(R)L]

So how much of this has actually been corroborated in the past six years? We got told a lot of things by Iraqi expats and other sources prior to the war that turned out to be a lot of nonsense...does this information fall into that category now, or did we find out that it was actually true? Or do we not know either way?

A radical Kurdish Islamic group, Ansar al-Islam is an al Qaeda and Taliban affiliate first established in early September 2001 in the Kurdish area of northern Iraq. The organization's enclave was set up only days before 9/11, leading some to speculate that it was intended to serve as a safe haven in the event of American military reprisals for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Composed of jidadist Muslims from Jordan, Syria, the Palestinian Authority, Afghanistan, and other Arab states, Ansar al-Islam received financial and political startup support from Iraq's then-President Saddam Hussein. The London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat reported in September 2001 that al Qaeda emissary Abu Abdul Rahman had provided Ansar al-Islam with $300,000 in "seed money" at its inception. Endowed with cash, arms, and all-terrain vehicles, Ansar al-Islam was officially founded by a former al Qaeda leader from Afghanistan, Abu Abdullah Shafii, to oppose the other Kurdish nationalist groups in the region and to expand Taliban ideas among the Kurdish population. Ansar al-Islam was the product of a merger between Shafii's group, Jund al-Islam (Soldiers of Islam), and a splinter group from the Islamic Movement in Kurdistan (IMK) led by Mullah Krekar, who became the group's leader. Both Shafii and Krekar are believed to have fought against U.S. forces in Afghanistan in late 2001. Krekar was eventually captured in September 2002, and has been exiled in Norway since August 2004.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6311

It has long been established that Al Qaeda established operations in Iraq in 2001. We sent in our SOC to take these guys out in anticipation of using Turkey as an entrance point.

Iraq was in league with these dudes, and these dudes had WMD, as did Iraq.

[Korg]

It has long been established that Al Qaeda established operations in Iraq in 2001. We sent in our SOC to take these guys out in anticipation of using Turkey as an entrance point.

Iraq was in league with these dudes, and these dudes had WMD, as did Iraq.

So all that stuff from the first post:
The intelligence service of Saddam Hussein has joint control, with al-Qaeda operatives, over Ansar al-Islam.

Saddam Hussein hosted a senior leader of al-Qaeda in Baghdad in 1992.

Iraqi intelligence agents smuggled conventional weapons, and possibly even chemical and biological weapons, into Afghanistan.

Jawad told Goldberg that he had no idea what liquid was inside the motors, but he assumed that it was some type of chemical or biological weapon.

"It is our estimate," he said, "that Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years."


...we've been able to actually gather enough evidence to prove this stuff in the last six years? (The last one we know is bogus, I just threw that in for fun)

[SFC(R)L]

o the Editor:

A Nov. 25 front-page article says that "tracking Iraq's nuclear weapons sites is considered less complicated because of the radioactivity they emit and because the United Nations compiled a detailed picture of Iraq's program in the early 1990's."

Unfortunately, key technologies like centrifuges to enrich uranium for bombs release little detectable radiation. Fabrication of nonnuclear components for bombs, like high-explosive lenses, emits no radioactivity.

Before 1998, inspectors dismantled much of Iraq's bomb program. But significant issues remain unresolved: Iraq's bomb designs and nuclear-weapon components, for example, are still missing.

The greatest risk is Saddam Hussein's smuggling in bomb material stolen from civil or military programs, which the International Atomic Energy Agency concedes it has very little chance of detecting.

The only fail-safe approach is to halt production and use of plutonium and highly enriched uranium worldwide. Bomb-usable nuclear materials are too dangerous for civilian commerce.
STEVEN DOLLEY
Washington, Nov. 25, 2002
The writer is research director, Nuclear Control Institute.

http://www.nci.org/02NCI/11/IraqNuclearThreat.htm

Not very funny at all, seeing as how there was over 2 tons of material in Iraq, and the incompetent IAEA admits they are too incompetent to do their job.

[SFC(R)L]

THERE THEY GO AGAIN: IA.E.A. MISSTATES ITS RECORD

ON DISMANTLING SADDAMS NUCLEAR-BOMB PROGRAM

The Agencys own October 1997 review of its inspections in Iraq concluded that "Iraqi programme documentation records substantial progress in many important areas of nuclear weapon development, making it prudent to assume that Iraq has developed the capability to design and fabricate a basic fission weapon, based on implosion technology and fueled by highly enriched uranium."[9]

http://www.nci.org/02NCI/09/iraq-pr9302002.htm

As for your other questions, the thread will answer them.

[SFC(R)L]

* Mullah Melan Krekar, ran a terror group (the Ansar al-Islam) linked to both bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Mr. Krekar admitted to a Kurdish newspaper that he met bin Laden in Afghanistan and other senior al Qaeda officials. His acknowledged meetings with bin Laden go back to 1988. When he organized Ansar al Islam in 2001 to conduct suicide attacks on Americans, "three bin Laden operatives showed up with a gift of $300,000 'to undertake jihad,'" Newsday reported. Mr. Krekar is now in custody in the Netherlands. His group operated in portion of northern Iraq loyal to Saddam Hussein -- and attacked independent Kurdish groups hostile to Saddam. A spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan told a United Press International correspondent that Mr. Krekar's group was funded by "Saddam Hussein's regime in Baghdad."

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F

[cc08]

Btw SFC(R)L, thanks for bumping this up. I have read some of this thread and have learned info I didn't know. Thanks!

[Korg]

Not ignoring you sarge, been travelling...on route to Dubai.

Thank you for posts; will read when I come up for air. :)

[SFC(R)L]

Btw SFC(R)L, thanks for bumping this up. I have read some of this thread and have learned info I didn't know. Thanks!

you are welcome!

[Loyal American]

Btw SFC(R)L, thanks for bumping this up. I have read some of this thread and have learned info I didn't know. Thanks!This is a good thread cc! I have actually hunted it down to pull items out to post elsewhere! Good stuff! ;)

[SFC(R)L]

Harboring al Qaeda
What the new Senate Intelligence Report says about Saddam's hospitality.
by Thomas Joscelyn
06/10/2008 12:00:00 AM

THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE has once again released a report claiming that the Bush administration hyped prewar intelligence. The so-called Phase Two report is supposed to investigate the Bush administration's handling of prewar intelligence. In reality, the report is little more than yet another attempt by partisan Democrats to make political hay out of flawed prewar intelligence. (The only Republicans to endorse the report were two of the Senate's most liberal GOP members.) The committee focused exclusively on prewar statements by Bush administration officials, ignoring similar statements by leading Democrats. Therefore, the report is intended to portray the Bush administration in the worst possible light. But even with this bias, the committee came to a noteworthy conclusion: The Bush administration was right to claim that Saddam's regime was harboring al Qaeda members.

The Senate Intelligence Committee's report includes this conclusion at the end of a terse section on the Bush administration's claims about Saddam's prewar terror ties:

Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other al Qaeda-related terrorist members were substantiated by the intelligence assessments.

Intelligence assessments noted Zarqawi's presence in Iraq and his ability to travel and operate within the country. The intelligence community generally believed that Iraqi intelligence must have known about, and therefore at least tolerated, Zarqawi's presence in the country.

Regarding postwar information collected by the U.S. intelligence community, the report reads:

Postwar information supports prewar assessments and statements that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad and that al Qaeda was present in northern Iraq.

These conclusions should not be surprising. In his book At the Center of the Storm, former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet provided a number of details concerning the safe haven al Qaeda members received in Saddam's Iraq. For example, Tenet wrote that two of Ayman al-Zawahiri's top operatives, Thirwat Shihata and Yussef Dardiri, received safe haven in Baghdad. Tenet says that there was "concern that these two might be planning operations outside Iraq."

The first report on the uses of prewar intelligence published by the Senate Intelligence Committee in July 2004 also found that Zarqawi freely roamed around Iraq and Saddam's goons must have been aware of his presence. The authors of the Butler Report, the British government's investigation into prewar intelligence, found roughly the same. Even other al Qaeda members have, on occasion, been open about the relationship between Zarqawi, other al Qaeda operatives, and Saddam's regime in prewar Iraq.

Despite all of these findings, however, the myth that Zarqawi and other al Qaeda operatives lived in Saddam's neo-Stalinist state without receiving at least the dictator's tacit support has lived on. But now, even in a partisan report designed to attack the Bush administration's credibility, the Senate Intelligence Committee has admitted that Bush and his officials were right to argue that Saddam was harboring al Qaeda fugitives. Both prewar and postwar intelligence assessments confirm their view.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/206xwlcs.asp

go ahead...impeach you morons

[SFC(R)L]

July 06, 2008

Disconfirmations Disconfirmed: Saddam Had Nuke Program
(Updated)
By Randall Hoven

The media have been telling us for years that Saddam had no WMD, so "Bush's War": was based on a "lie." And those who believed Saddam did have WMD or WMD programs were delusional or worse.

But today, on July 6, 2008, the Associated Press reports that:

* Saddam Hussein had a nuclear program

* At the Tuwaitha nuclear complex just south of Baghdad

* Which included 550 metric tons (over 1.2 million pounds) of "yellowcake", or concentrated uranium

* And multiple devices that could be used in a nuclear weapon.

The AP does not say alleged nuclear program. It does not add "according to military experts." It simply says "Saddam Hussein's nuclear program."


That's pretty big news, isn't it?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/disconfirmations_disconfirmed.html

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[meggers49]

who'd think? Hard to believe that the guy had what people there have been saying all along, both people who worked for him in the past and people there now with their feet on the ground.

but you know as well as I do, it won't change the minds of the deluded.

[Loyal American]

* Saddam Hussein had a nuclear program

* At the Tuwaitha nuclear complex just south of Baghdad

* Which included 550 metric tons (over 1.2 million pounds) of "yellowcake", or concentrated uranium

* And multiple devices that could be used in a nuclear weapon.

I just love the smell of TRUTH! :D

[SFC(R)L]

who'd think? Hard to believe that the guy had what people there have been saying all along, both people who worked for him in the past and people there now with their feet on the ground.

but you know as well as I do, it won't change the minds of the deluded.

I'm going to keep posting it anyway

[Loyal American]

July 06, 2008

Disconfirmations Disconfirmed: Saddam Had Nuke Program
(Updated)
By Randall Hoven

The media have been telling us for years that Saddam had no WMD, so "Bush's War": was based on a "lie." And those who believed Saddam did have WMD or WMD programs were delusional or worse.

But today, on July 6, 2008, the Associated Press reports that:

* Saddam Hussein had a nuclear program

* At the Tuwaitha nuclear complex just south of Baghdad

* Which included 550 metric tons (over 1.2 million pounds) of "yellowcake", or concentrated uranium

* And multiple devices that could be used in a nuclear weapon.

The AP does not say alleged nuclear program. It does not add "according to military experts." It simply says "Saddam Hussein's nuclear program."


That's pretty big news, isn't it?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/disconfirmations_disconfirmed.html

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

TRUTH! :cool:

Steadfast and Loyal! :flag:

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[soldier_scotty]

They will attack the source. The only acceptable sources are op ed pieces from leftist media or academics.

You are right Sir Sneaky! We will never see this story on CNN. Nor will we see it in the Washington Times, or the New York Times. I doubt fox news will even air it! It shows we were vindicated in going to war with Iraq! It's to big a thorn in the liberals side. They hate Booooosh! They have no stomach for war! Any war! :flag:

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CNN refuses to carry the truth.

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I just love this thread and listen up, school is in session! ;)

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[Debbie Shafer]

The Cloward-Piven strategy has been implemented on the U.S. collapsing our economy.
google Cloward-Piven or http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the_cloward_piven_strategy_of_e.html

Stealth Jihad applied-bringing terrorists to New York, and Thompson through legal measures, under the radar http://www.meforum.org/2173/islamists-work-the-system by Steve Emerson

The health care take over to help decrease the surplus population.

GPS tagging peoples homes with 140,000 workers. The Census is not supposed to be until 2010. A civilian military force that will be largely thugs that have gone through intense brain washing to hate conservatives and the Constitution--- is being implemented to create social chaos, exactly what happened in Kenya with Raila Odinga. Thanks to the stupidity of most Americans and politicians we are at great risk.