Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

[The Bos'un]

In late 2003 President Bush said, in response to a reporter’s question, that he believed Muslims and Christians "worship the same God." The remark sparked criticism from some Christians, who thought Bush was being politically correct but theologically inaccurate.

Ted Haggard, head of the National Association of Evangelicals, said, "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health. The Muslim god appears to value the opposite."

So, my question is, "Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?"

Source: http://www.religion-online.org/showa...asp?title=3056 (http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3056)

[Tatianna]

Allah is a moon God.

[Pirate09]

Thats kinda one of those questions where its either side and no true answer. I personally say yes, because the definition of God is pretty universal across all religions and even science.

[The Bos'un]

Thats kinda one of those questions where its either side and no true answer. I personally say yes, because the definition of God is pretty universal across all religions and even science.It's only either side and no true answer if one does not know God. Sorry, but your response is way off.

[Pirate09]

It's only either side and no true answer if one does not know God. Sorry, but your response is way off.

No I mean it is taken from different perspectives. There's no factual evidence to prove any way, so yes, it could be said either way and theres no true answer unless you know without a doubt what the answer is (which is impossible to know outside of going up to God himself and asking him).

Prime definition of God, that is universal in most respects, is the "Creator," so it could've been the Adam or Eve, or the Muslim way (I'm not quite sure what that is, as im not familiar at all with the Koran or Islam in general, or it could be just the singularity that started the Big Bang, either way, God exists.

[Claymore]

I, personally, think the followers of Islam have been grossly mislead and the Allah that told Mohammed to use violence to spread that cult of Islam was the Devil/Satan in disguise. Satan is always causing trouble and is the master of confusion. The violence of the Islamic cult is one of his works. I know this is not an accepted or PC view, but it is not without consideration I have arrived at it.

[The Bos'un]

Different prospectives, where are you coming from?

Islam demands Christians to reject our Christian beliefs and submit to only one belief; Mohammad was the true Prophet of God who received the holy Koran from the archangel Gabriel. The Muslims believe that our Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah are corrupted books of the infidels.

According to Mohammad's teachings, the Bible (and Torah) was corrupted by false teachings and was debunked.

Mohammad received the recitations in the cave from whom he claimed, Gabriel. Mohammad declared himself the true Prophet of his god, Allah.. According to Islam, the true monotheism has always been Islam, and Abraham and Moses were Muslims. Christians (and Jews) subverted Allah's teachings.

The god of Mohammad and God of Christians (and Jews) cannot be the same God. There are profound theological differences between Islam and Christianity.

[Larry, Curly & Mohamed]

Not sure - Becasue there is more to it then the question you asked.

[The Bos'un]

Interesting. And, definately not PC. However, you summed it up and said it without being offensive. Good job.

[The Bos'un]

Bring it to the table. This is a difficult question and the answers will be rather complex. But, that is why it is good to think about this question. President Bush caused a big uproar in 2003. It has not been resolved, yet and you are free to take it as far as you would like.

Because this is Easter it seems fitting to contemplate the question.

[The Bos'un]

Tatianna, it would be nice for you to talk a little more about your comment, that Allah is a moon God. How did you arrive at that opinion?

[Pirate09]

Different prospectives, where are you coming from?

Islam demands Christians to reject our Christian beliefs and submit to only one belief; Mohammad was the true Prophet of God who received the holy Koran from the archangel Gabriel. The Muslims believe that our Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah are corrupted books of the infidels.

According to Mohammad's teachings, the Bible (and Torah) was corrupted by false teachings and was debunked.

Mohammad received the recitations in the cave from whom he claimed, Gabriel. Mohammad declared himself the true Prophet of his god, Allah.. According to Islam, the true monotheism has always been Islam, and Abraham and Moses were Muslims. Christians (and Jews) subverted Allah's teachings.

The god of Mohammad and God of Christians (and Jews) cannot be the same God. There are profound theological differences between Islam and Christianity.

I don't mean different perspectives on God, but different perspectives on your question and how it is read. Then again I'm not religious and don't really know all too much about it, so I'd probably just ignore what I say in detail.

I believe in a God, I don't believe in the Bible or the Koran, and I don't think Jesus was literally the direct son of God or anyone directly special with God, or Muhammad the true prophet of God. I'm more of a scientific believer. I see God as the creator of everything, being the universe, whatever sparked the Big Bang and created the Universe and what I think created then life is God, and energy expands in a vacuum in space, and never truly dissipates according to the laws of physics, so God is ever spanding throughout to the reaches, and we all are made up of God. I would go into more detail, but I don't want to offend anyone or anything.

[Claymore]

Tatianna, it would be nice for you to talk a little more about your comment, that Allah is a moon God. How did you arrive at that opinion?

Here are some sources:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Allah%2C+moon+god&btnG=Google+Search

[The Bos'un]

OK, your perspective is not perspectives of God, they are perspectives of Man. You admit that you don't know God, don't believe in Jesus, and are slightly confused of where God fits into any equation.

Sounds to me that you are fence sitting. Have you considered asking God for the truth?

[Pirate09]

OK, your perspective is not perspectives of God, they are perspectives of Man. You admit that you don't know God, don't believe in Jesus, and are slightly confused of where God fits into any equation.

Sounds to me that you are fence sitting. Have you considered asking God for the truth?

I don't admit I don't know God, I clearly defined what I think it is and know exactly where it fits, I see it as the creator, nothing more, nothing less. I don't ask God for the truth, as I don't see it as a conscious entity nor do I believe in that. If you want, I could go into more detail, but like I said, I don't want you to take anything I say as offensive, I just don't share the same beliefs as any of the organized religions out there.

[Claymore]

OK, your perspective is not perspectives of God, they are perspectives of Man. You admit that you don't know God, don't believe in Jesus, and are slightly confused of where God fits into any equation.

Sounds to me that you are fence sitting. Have you considered asking God for the truth?

The only thing you get from sitting on a fence is crap from both sides and splinters in your butt.:think:

[JediMindTrick]

FYI

Its "couldn't care less" not "could care less." The latter implies you might care a lot since you admittedly could care less than you do.

[notluzn]

Compair us to any Middle East and you'll get your answer. Theirs is an Oppressive Devil

[The Bos'un]

OK, it appears to me that you may have some confusion about God. You see God as the Creator, nothing more and nothing less. You have not asked God for the truth because you do not see God as a conscious entity.

Back to the issues around Islam and Christianity, you might spend a little time studying both religions. Last year, I took two world religion classes because I wanted to learn more about monotheistic religion and polytheistic religions. They are interesting and did not try to convert me to another belief. I an appreciate each one a little more and also reinforced my Christian beliefs.

[The Bos'un]

my bust. sorry about the typo. Looks like three don't care about it.

[The Bos'un]

:)) splinters....:))

[Joenumbertwo]

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all follow the God of Abraham?

[Claymore]

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all follow the God of Abraham?


No.

[The Bos'un]

Go back and reread some of the posts that have been posted, already.

[Joenumbertwo]

No.

explain

[notluzn]

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all follow the God of Abraham?

They Killed the Good God to follow an Anti-Christ Mohammad

[Joenumbertwo]

I thought even Christians and Jews who speak arabic use the term "Allah"

Are they worshipping a different God because their language uses a different word?

[Claymore]

Read the beginning of this thread and the links provided.

[Pirate09]

OK, it appears to me that you may have some confusion about God. You see God as the Creator, nothing more and nothing less. You have not asked God for the truth because you do not see God as a conscious entity.

Back to the issues around Islam and Christianity, you might spend a little time studying both religions. Last year, I took two world religion classes because I wanted to learn more about monotheistic religion and polytheistic religions. They are interesting and did not try to convert me to another belief. I an appreciate each one a little more and also reinforced my Christian beliefs.

I should probably, I think both are a great thing, they hold very good morals and especially help with early life about appropriate life styles and for elderly a easier acceptance of death.

And trust me, no confusion on it, atleast in my mind anyhow. But atleast you are more open minded then some I have met, I got into the same discussion at a place I worked at, throughout the entire day he later called me a blasphemist and a satanist. This was a reverend btw. I don't even believe in Satan, so I dunno where he got the satanist part from lol. Then again I think he was a bit of a wacko...defiantly not a certified clergy man, atleast I hope not.

[Claymore]

I thought even Christians and Jews who speak arabic use the term "Allah"

Are they worshipping a different God because their language uses a different word?

Even Americans and Canadians that speak Spanish use the word Diablo.
Allah is not the God of Abraham. Allah is a false god.

[Jamal_Gunn]

In late 2003 President Bush said, in response to a reporter’s question, that he believed Muslims and Christians "worship the same God." The remark sparked criticism from some Christians, who thought Bush was being politically correct but theologically inaccurate.

Ted Haggard, head of the National Association of Evangelicals, said, "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health. The Muslim god appears to value the opposite."

So, my question is, "Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?"

Source: http://www.religion-online.org/showa...asp?title=3056 (http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3056)

This would be about equal to Curt Shilling saying "Yeah, I think the Yankees will take us this year."

[Joenumbertwo]

Even Americans and Canadians that speak Spanish use the word Diablo.
Allah is not the God of Abraham. Allah is a false god.

If Allah is just the term for "God", how can you know which God they are worshipping?

If I called a tree "Allah", I'd be worshipping the tree as God.

If I refere to the supreme being and creator of the universe as "Allah", how can you tell if I'm worshiping the "right" or "wrong" God?

[The Bos'un]

good job Claymore. I have read about the moon gods and polytheistic nature of the Arabs before Mohammad. I was wondering how Tatianna came up with it.

Remember, the Kaaba was a pagan worship site before Mohammad ran off the other pagans (when he returned to Mecca with his army). (About the same time that he decided that Jews and Christians were really infidels after originally calling them people of the book.

Mohammad sure used to contradict himself and revised his teachings often..

[Claymore]

Allah is the specific term for the muslim god. It is not another name for the One True God.

[Jamal_Gunn]

If Allah is just the term for "God", how can you know which God they are worshipping?

If I called a tree "Allah", I'd be worshipping the tree as God.

If I refere to the supreme being and creator of the universe as "Allah", how can you tell if I'm worshiping the "right" or "wrong" God?

Becuase terrorist worship Allah and good God-fearing Christians would never terrorize.

[Joenumbertwo]

Allah is the specific term for the muslim god. It is not another name for the One True God.

Allah is simply the arabic word for God.

Arabic christians and Jews use the term Allah as well.

[Joenumbertwo]

Becuase terrorist worship Allah and good God-fearing Christians would never terrorize.

uhhh....

what about the Army of God?

[Jamal_Gunn]

uhhh....

what about the Army of God?

Yeah? Well that proves nothing.....

Keep going.... you're doing great.

[Claymore]

Allah is simply the arabic word for God.

Arabic christians and Jews use the term Allah as well.

Whatever, I don't.
Allah is a false, demonic god of violence and conquest.
The God of Christians and Jews is one of love and caring.

[Claymore]

uhhh....

what about the Army of God?

Idiots and bigots, as bad as the IRA or WAR or the KKK.

[Jamal_Gunn]

Whatever, I don't.
Allah is a false, demonic god of violence and conquest.
The God of Christians and Jews is one of love and caring.

See? I told you Joe. Everyone who praise to our God has nothing but love and peace in their hearts.

[Jamal_Gunn]

Subsequently anyone who praise to Allah has nothing but anger fear and aggression to feed upon.

[notluzn]

uhhh....

what about the Army of God? How many people have they killed?

[The Bos'un]

Someday, you may not have the same kumby ya attitude about both religions as you have right now. I suggest you learn as much as you can about both religions.

The reverend may have felt threatened by you global beliefs. Do you believe in good vs evil? Do you believe that there are opposing forces in this world? It is easy and is also tempting to rationalize human behavior.

[Joenumbertwo]

Idiots and bigots, as bad as the IRA or WAR or the KKK.

So the extreme radicals of the Christian faith are to be dismissed and ignored as idiots, but the extreme radicals of Islam are held up by you guys as representative of the entire religion?

Seems sort of unfair.

[Joenumbertwo]

How many people have they killed?

Enough.

They've targeted and murdered humans, as well as plotted, executed, and supported bombings, arsons, and other terrorist attacks.

[notluzn]

So the extreme radicals of the Christian faith are to be dismissed and ignored as idiots, but the extreme radicals of Islam are held up by you guys as representative of the entire religion?

Seems sort of unfair. Put up Numbers and that will tell you. We also like to deal with those Idiots and Muslims let them roam free to murder and sometimes cheer them on.

[Joenumbertwo]

If we want to go on numbers of deaths, how about the Crusades?

Those were Christians killing purely in the name of their faith and their God.

Was that a "different" God?


How can we tell?

Do we just wait until after someone does bad then declare that they are worshipping the wrong God if they are Christians? Or say tey are worshipping the "correct Islamic God" if they are muslims?

This sounds like nothing short of bigotry to me.

[Claymore]

So the extreme radicals of the Christian faith are to be dismissed and ignored as idiots, but the extreme radicals of Islam are held up by you guys as representative of the entire religion?

Seems sort of unfair.

Real Christians denounce the violent extremist bigots and are not controlled through fear of retribution by the minority fringe whackos that do not represent us.
I do not see Muslims doing the same thing with radical Islamofacists. Indeed, they become aplogists for them.


P.S. NEWS-FLASH! Life ain't fair.

[notluzn]

Enough.

They've targeted and murdered humans, as well as plotted, executed, and supported bombings, arsons, and other terrorist attacks. Gotta post up numbers.

Here is just injured and Killed in the name of Mohammad. Not robbery or the normal crimes and killings
Sept 11, 2001 to Feb 4, 2007
Killed 41899
Injured 65927

[notluzn]

If we want to go on numbers of deaths, how about the Crusades?

Those were Christians killing purely in the name of their faith and their God.

Was that a "different" God?


How can we tell?

Do we just wait until after someone does bad then declare that they are worshipping the wrong God if they are Christians? Or say tey are worshipping the "correct Islamic God" if they are muslims?

This sounds like nothing short of bigotry to me. Post up numbers and you need better fact and a reality check.

[PaleoPaul]

The word "Allah" may mean "God" but the theological concept of such a deity is the antithesis of the God of Abraham for two important reasons.

First, God has a love for all mankind and bestows universal blessings upon the human race. This is what is known as common grace. Such a concept is foreign to Islam.

Second, God is a Trinity according to Christianity (and arguably Judaism, though I believe such a concept is in both testaments). However, Islam calls such beliefs blasphemous.

[Joenumbertwo]

Post up numbers and you need better fact and a reality check.

ONLY looking at the Crusades, we get a death toll of around 9 million.

[PaleoPaul]

What was the root cause of the crusades?

[Joenumbertwo]

Real Christians denounce the violent extremist bigots and are not controlled through fear of retribution by the minority fringe whackos that do not represent us.
I do not see Muslims doing the same thing with radical Islamofacists. Indeed, they become aplogists for them.


P.S. NEWS-FLASH! Life ain't fair.

You just aren't looking.

The majority of Muslims are peaceful and hate violence just as Christians do.

Eevery muslim I've met has been completely kind, peaceful, respectful, trustworthy, and very openly denounced anyone who commited violence in the name of their faith.

There are also numerous groups and organizations devoted to spreading Islam through peaceful means and denouncing any and all violent extremists.

Closing your eyes to it doesn't make it not true.

[PaleoPaul]

How many Muslims are there though? A BILLION.

[Joenumbertwo]

What was the root cause of the crusades?

Are you suggesting that there is a justifiable cause of killing 9 million people in the name of your religion?

You sound just like an Islamic extremist.

[notluzn]

ONLY looking at the Crusades, we get a death toll of around 9 million. 9 Million? Where did you get that statistic? Who counted?

[Joenumbertwo]

How many Muslims are there though? A BILLION.

Your point is....?

Until you hear from all of them you're not satisfied?

Most muslims don't have the luxuries of setting up websites and organizations or getting on American TV to express their feelings.

Should I go around hating all Christians who aren't explicitly expressing their disdain for Christian terrorists?

[Jamal_Gunn]

How many Muslims are there though? A BILLION.

For me to believe what you are saying I would have to accept that at least, AT LEAST 3 to 4 hundred million beliefs follow that of a terrorist.

[PaleoPaul]

Joe asked:

Are you suggesting that there is a justifiable cause of killing 9 million people in the name of your religion?

You sound just like an Islamic extremist.
Absolutely not.

I'm just trying to get historical perspective is all. A little education from different historical viewpoints is good for the soul.

[notluzn]

Are you suggesting that there is a justifiable cause of killing 9 million people in the name of your religion?

You sound just like an Islamic extremist.

was it just going door to door killing men women and children or was it war between to factions? Yeah I think your got your statistics Bass Akwards

[Joenumbertwo]

9 Million? Where did you get that statistic? Who counted?

quick search.

Even if it's incorrect, HALF of that is still staggering

hell 1/4th of that is still depressing


I don't know about you, but I feel using murder to spread a religion is wrong, if it's one person or 9 million.

Clearly, Christians have had a HUGE part in that.

Not only the crusades.

How about those burned as witches?

What about scientists who were arrested or even killed because they were accused of heresy?

The church stifled the pursuit of science through force. Using violence, they crippled ideas, they tried to end science and the pursuit of knowledge by any means other than mysticism. A supernova explosion that was so great and bright that it could be seen during the day in 1054 was not even recorded in Europe because of fear of the church.

This is terrorism in it's rawest form, stifling free action and thought through violence and terror.




Does this mean that Christians are somehow worshipping an evil God or the wrong God or that they are all bad?

No, not at all.


It's just stupid to try to apply such a double standard to this.

[PaleoPaul]

It's stupid to apply the RCC to all of Christendom, or as if it was "the first church ever."

The Orthodox Church has been around just as long as the RCC or probably longer.

[notluzn]

quick search.

Even if it's incorrect, HALF of that is still staggering

hell 1/4th of that is still depressing


I don't know about you, but I feel using murder to spread a religion is wrong, if it's one person or 9 million.

Clearly, Christians have had a HUGE part in that.

Not only the crusades.

How about those burned as witches?

What about scientists who were arrested or even killed because they were accused of heresy?

The church stifled the pursuit of science through force. Using violence, they crippled ideas, they tried to end science and the pursuit of knowledge by any means other than mysticism. A supernova explosion that was so great and bright that it could be seen during the day in 1054 was not even recorded in Europe because of fear of the church.

This is terrorism in it's rawest form, stifling free action and thought through violence and terror.




Does this mean that Christians are somehow worshipping an evil God or the wrong God or that they are all bad?

No, not at all.


It's just stupid to try to apply such a double standard to this.

Making up statistics is lame. Second, it was a freaking war. War where both people died. You think that the Statistic of 9Million people was just Muslims? Yeah get back to me when you figure out how they fought back then.

[Jamal_Gunn]

It's stupid to apply the RCC to all of Christendom, or as if it was "the first church ever."

The Orthodox Church has been around just as long as the RCC or probably longer.

:think:

Why can't we simply switch up the context of religion?

[Joenumbertwo]

Making up statistics is lame. Second, it was a freaking war. War where both people died. You think that the Statistic of 9Million people was just Muslims? Yeah get back to me when you figure out how they fought back then.

No it wasn't, many were Christians, MANY of them were just innocent civilians.

So it's all cool to kill millions of people in the name of religion as long as it's a war and (some) of the other people fight back?

[Jamal_Gunn]

No it wasn't, many were Christians, MANY of them were just innocent civilians.

So it's all cool to kill millions of people in the name of religion as long as it's a war and (some) of the other people fight back?

Whatever happen to these irrational ideas of peace, love, forgiveness and compassion?

[notluzn]

No it wasn't, many were Christians, MANY of them were just innocent civilians.

So it's all cool to kill millions of people in the name of religion as long as it's a war and (some) of the other people fight back? Then you just answered your own question. You said that Christians killed 9 million people. Now you came back down to say Muslims and Christians kill in war and each other. So now you are done.

[Joenumbertwo]

Then you just answered your own question. You said that Christians killed 9 million people. Now you came back down to say Muslims and Christians kill in war and each other. So now you are done.

I said earlier that both sides kill, my entire point is that just because some people kill, or just because members of a certain religion may kill a lot during a certain time period doesn't mean the religion is inherently evil, or even that the average follower of that religion is violent at all.

Christians have killed millions of people throughout history for the worst reasons, sparking true pure terrorism and oppression.

this doesn't make Christians bad or even Christianity bad (or the Christian God).


The very same standard should apply to Muslims.

[PaleoPaul]

Killing in the name of religion is wrong, but self-defense is permitted, by both common sense and Scripture.

[The Bos'un]

Why can't we just rewrite history if we do not agree with it? Oh we do that, don't we?

[notluzn]

I said earlier that both sides kill, my entire point is that just because some people kill, or just because members of a certain religion may kill a lot during a certain time period doesn't mean the religion is inherently evil, or even that the average follower of that religion is violent at all.

Christians have killed millions of people throughout history for the worst reasons, sparking true pure terrorism and oppression.

this doesn't make Christians bad or even Christianity bad (or the Christian God).


The very same standard should apply to Muslims.

Ugghhh. Do you hear us saying "Remember the Crusades and Muslims Killing millions of people"? We could say it...

Now lets start living in the now and not 1000 years ago. I put up statistics and facts of the last 6 years of the Murdered and Injured from Muslims trying to kill christians and kill just to kill.

I would say Muslims even with the Crusades have Killed more people in the last 1400 years than Christians.

[The Bos'un]

Lying is permissible if it helps out someone.

It appears to me that Muslims justify their sins very well. It is permissible to lie, "as long as their lies help someone.''

Remember the Hadith of Ali (the fourth Caliphate). One day a man came running past Ali as he was sitting in a chair. He (Ali) moved to another chair and as the men who were pursing the runner came by and inquired, Ali said, "Since I have sat on this chair, I have seen no one."

This story is admired by the Shi'ites as it was a white lie which was told with wisdom. Ali got over on the pursuers by being smart like a fox. Dishonest if you ask me. The white lie helped the runner.

Wonder how many other white lies help oppressors of the people for the sake of one?

[Jamal_Gunn]

Ugghhh. Do you hear us saying "Remember the Crusades and Muslims Killing millions of people"? We could say it...

Now lets start living in the now and not 1000 years ago. I put up statistics and facts of the last 6 years of the Murdered and Injured from Muslims trying to kill christians and kill just to kill.

I would say Muslims even with the Crusades have Killed more people in the last 1400 years than Christians.

So that makes it all better than?

[The Bos'un]

To justify a sin, just move the goal posts.

They (Islamists) can and do arrange temporary marriages to get around adultery, as is the practice of travelers.

For example, Mohammad had arranged several marriages and concubines (and 9 yr old little girl). Yes Mohammad took a 9 year old bride.

In addition, was it not Mohammad who took his adopted son Zaid's wife, Zainab, for himself? Mohammad told Zaid to turn over the wife, because Allah told him to do it? (Sura 33:36-38)

[The Bos'un]

Christianity went through a period of enlightenment along with most other religions. When is Islam going to go through the reformation period and live peacefully with the Kafirs?

[Jamal_Gunn]

To justify a sin, just move the goal posts.

They (Islamists) can and do arrange temporary marriages to get around adultery, as is the practice of travelers.

For example, Mohammad had arranged several marriages and concubines (and 9 yr old little girl). Yes Mohammad took a 9 year old bride.

In addition, was it not Mohammad who took his adopted son Zaid's wife, Zainab, for himself? Mohammad told Zaid to turn over the wife, because Allah told him to do it? (Sura 33:36-38)

That's what I'm saying. The Commandment says Thou shall not kill. Not Thou shall not kill, but if you're in war or defending yourself then go Evil Kenievel.

[Joenumbertwo]

Christianity went through a period of enlightenment along with most other religions. When is Islam going to go through the reformation period and live peacefully with the Kafirs?

Eventually.

It's a newer religion, and their society has not yet been modernized to our level.


Christianity and the West had a time that was very much like today's Muslim world.

We need to deal with all of it appropriately, but it is not our place to judge them or (even worse) be prejudice towards members of their religion.

[The Bos'un]

Ah, your saying that Muslims move the goal posts to justify their sins. Thanks for clarifying that.

I too think it is asinine for Mohammad to change his position and get conflicting recantations to suit his fantasies.

[Andrew_980]

Whatever, I don't.
Allah is a false, demonic god of violence and conquest.
The God of Christians and Jews is one of love and caring.

Like all institutions of man both islam and christianity have sets of rules they are required to live by. Both reinterpret them to get the meaning they as indeviduals want. Both have saints and both have human devils. That is man, not god. Man's ability to lie to himself about what god really meant is quite astounding. Islam has many rules that were meant for the betterment of the people, much like the other abrahamic faiths. But like them it is revised, interperated, misunderstood.
Remember the Hadith of Ali (the fourth Caliphate). One day a man came running past Ali as he was sitting in a chair. He (Ali) moved to another chair and as the men who were pursing the runner came by and inquired, Ali said, "Since I have sat on this chair, I have seen no one."
Yes, just as jesus broke the laws of the old testiment when he felt neccisary. Both teach that at times it is the intent not the wording that matters.

[The Bos'un]

Andrew, you smoking again?

You are taking things out of context.

Hey, its your story, guess you can tell it any way you would like to.

[melinda]

Whatever, I don't.
Allah is a false, demonic god of violence and conquest.
The God of Christians and Jews is one of love and caring.

exactly....

[mbrens]

There was only one true God as far as Abe was concerned. Therefore I doubt there was more than one God as far as Ishmael/Ismaelites were concerned. As the biblical history was written, the Ismaelites scattered across the Northern Arabian Countries, and settled.

Israel still served the same God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. With the hate that the Ismaelites had for Israel (even tho they were half brothers) the feuding began.

At some time in the history of the Ismaelites, they believed that the Prophet Mohammad sent word to them from God. Hence, further hate and further fueding.

I have no doubt that Satan is the god allah, believing he could spread hate between brothers, for the purpose of getting between God and His believers, once again.

Of course, Satan has (as an Angel) the power to be a god to the Ismaelites, as he is the "god of this world". The God of Abraham is a loving God, who desires the love of His people.

The god of the Ishmaelites desires to kill anyone who loves and worships the one and only true God of Abraham. So IMO, both gods are supposed to be the same.

[bsleplatt]

Although thier view and defintion of God is different...how they view God, believe, etc... They are brothers of the same Father.

Thier views on Ishmael, Issac, and Abraham obviously is the turning point from where the religions seperate.

[bakergal]

Isn't there only supposed to be one?

[bsleplatt]

And Bush, following the beliefs of HIS chosen faith in this circumstance btw....

The United Methodist church "Book of Resolutions 2004."

Link to the resolution..... http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=4&mid=6569


The Historical Context

United Methodists, seeking to be faithful neighbors and witnesses to other members of the human family, recognize with respect peoples of the religion of Islam.

Christians and Muslims acknowledge common roots, along with Jews, in the faith of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar. As members of one of the monotheistic world religions, Muslims worship and serve the one God with disciplined devotion. Both Christians and Muslims believe that God is ever-inclined toward humankind in justice and mercy. Based on this common ground, we celebrate where Christians and Muslims are working together to make God's justice a reality for all people. The two faiths sometimes understand differently the particular ways in which God deals with human beings, but they agree that the proper human response to the Almighty is a life of humble obedience, including repentance, faith, and good works. Muslims believe that the Qur'an sets forth the principles for righteous conduct and a harmonious life in society.

[Tatianna]

Allah demands the blood of many.
God demanded the blood of his only son.


Allah demands everyone bow.
God says, "Choose ye life."

[Antrel]

No, they're not the same. Each religion, while sporting common roots, has different beliefs that are sanctioned by their gods. Allah sent Muhammad as his final prophet, God sent Jesus, his Son and Himself, to save us all, Yahweh has yet to send our Savior. Three of many distinct differences that, while respecting neutrality in which religions are right and wrong, prevent the gods from being the same.

[bsleplatt]

No, they're not the same. Each religion, while sporting common roots, has different beliefs that are sanctioned by their gods. Allah sent Muhammad as his final prophet, God sent Jesus, his Son and Himself, to save us all, Yahweh has yet to send our Savior. Three of many distinct differences that, while respecting neutrality in which religions are right and wrong, prevent the gods from being the same.

They can each have thier own "rules" and beliefs and still be of the same "God". Isnt that the differance between denominations within Christianity too? The fine points of worship and belief? Granted, I do not think that believing Christ came into this world, died on the cross for our sin's is a "fine point"....but then... the question is...do they worship the same God. And yes, they all beleive that they are worshipping the God of Abraham.

[Tatianna]

They can each have thier own "rules" and beliefs and still be of the same "God". Isnt that the differance between denominations within Christianity too? The fine points of worship and belief? Granted, I do not think that believing Christ came into this world, died on the cross for our sin's is a "fine point"....but then... the question is...do they worship the same God. And yes, they all beleive that they are worshipping the God of Abraham.


The question is not what "they believe." The question , as I understood it, are Allah and God in fact, one in the same? The answer is no. God cannot lie. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. His word does not change.

[bsleplatt]

The question is not what "they believe." The question , as I understood it, are Allah and God in fact, one in the same? The answer is no. God cannot lie. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. His word does not change.

God does not have to lie in order for all of them to worship Him as they see Him.

It is like the question of what will happen to Jews. Do the Jewish people somehow become of "less value" to God after He tells Paul and Peter to share His word with the gentiles? Or are God's Chosen people still the Jewish People? Does God have a special plan for the Jewish People? Even those who deny Christ? how does that Jive with the idea that God can not lie? God does not have to lie in order for all of the faiths to be brothers of the same faith. Man is involved, therefore there has to some degree be some distortion and confusion in what is what. Man is broken.

The bible actually says that God too will take care of Ishmael and his people. Do we know what God's plan was for them? It is not really spelled out.

[Tatianna]

God does not have to lie in order for all of them to worship Him as they see Him.

It is like the question of what will happen to Jews. Do the Jewish people somehow become of "less value" to God after He tells Paul and Peter to share His word with the gentiles? Or are God's Chosen people still the Jewish People? Does God have a special plan for the Jewish People? Even those who deny Christ? how does that Jive with the idea that God can not lie? God does not have to lie in order for all of the faiths to be brothers of the same faith. Man is involved, therefore there has to some degree be some distortion and confusion in what is what. Man is broken.

The bible actually says that God too will take care of Ishmael and his people. Do we know what God's plan was for them? It is not really spelled out.

You're trying to apply the true word of God to Allah and islam. There is only ONE God and he is not Allah. The word is specific in stating all men and women are children of the one God who created them. That does not make Allah the same God. That makes the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, the only living God.

[bsleplatt]

You're trying to apply the true word of God to Allah and islam. There is only ONE God and he is not Allah. The word is specific in stating all men and women are children of the one God who created them. That does not make Allah the same God. That makes the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, the only living God.

It is like the what is God's name? I call God by many names... No one in particular. I am sure that others use other names. Who but God can decide if they are using a "false name?"

Muslim's worship the God of Abraham...who promised to care for them. They call Him Allah (thier own form of adapting to the pagens btw...not sure we have a lot of room to talk here when we just celebrated Easter). But beyond that...even we have corrupted the name of God. Many still say that God's name is Jehovah...but that is a bad translation too and incorrect. If Muslim's, Christian's and Jew's all worship the God of Abraham...arnt they all worshipping the same God?

[Camp]

The doctrine of mohammad makes this an impossible case. They claim there is only allah and allah has no problem with believers killing apostates and infidels. Evidentiary disconnect right there.

[Tatianna]

It is like the what is God's name? I call God by many names... No one in particular. I am sure that others use other names. Who but God can decide if they are using a "false name?"

Muslim's worship the God of Abraham...who promised to care for them. They call Him Allah (thier own form of adapting to the pagens btw...not sure we have a lot of room to talk here when we just celebrated Easter). But beyond that...even we have corrupted the name of God. Many still say that God's name is Jehovah...but that is a bad translation too and incorrect. If Muslim's, Christian's and Jew's all worship the God of Abraham...arnt they all worshipping the same God?


Not according to the word of God, no. How can a muslim claim their God is the God of Abraham yet deny jews, the chosen people his son came through, have no right to exist? Nearly everything islam teaches is CONTRARY to the bible. God says, "A house divided cannot stand." God is his word, the sword of the spirit. If his word is contrary how does he stand before his creation as righteous, just, true?

[bsleplatt]

Not according to the word of God, no. How can a muslim claim their God is the God of Abraham yet deny jews, the chosen people his son came through, have no right to exist? Nearly everything islam teaches is CONTRARY to the bible. God says, "A house divided cannot stand." God is his word, the sword of the spirit. If his word is contrary how does he stand before his creation as righteous, just, true?

But again, the question is not is thier doctorine true....not even is our's true. It is do they worship the same God. And according to Muslim's I have talked with....they actually do takl about Christ as a prophet...much the same way that some jewish people look at Christ as a prophet vs the Savior.

And Having read the Koran, no...it is not entirely contradictory. It is a different faith...but then that is to be expected from a different religion.

[Jamal_Gunn]

Not according to the word of God, no. How can a muslim claim their God is the God of Abraham yet deny jews, the chosen people his son came through, have no right to exist? Nearly everything islam teaches is CONTRARY to the bible. God says, "A house divided cannot stand." God is his word, the sword of the spirit. If his word is contrary how does he stand before his creation as righteous, just, true?

Hitler tried the same thing, and he wasn't even muslim. Islamic terrorist gonna have to play catch up to match what he's done.

[noose4]

as far as i know islam, just like christianity, is an off shoot of judaism, so they all worship the same god.

[Jamal_Gunn]

as far as i know islam, just like christianity, is an off shoot of judaism, so they all worship the same god.

Exactly. As far as I'm concerned, we've all brached out from the same source, the same "root". We all have our own deviations and beliefs of what is right. Outside of simply that, we've all justified death and killing. We've all perverted our beliefs. In the end, we don't celebrate God no less.

[Claymore]

ONLY looking at the Crusades, we get a death toll of around 9 million.


Got link?

[Electric Prophet]

Nope, I don't.

Oh, did you want me to explain my line of thinking?

Look, the Bible says that in the end times we will know "them" (that is the good, the bad, and the ugly) by their deeds.

All I see is these extremists blowing up buildings, people, and cars in the name of Allah. I see extremists blowing up abortion clinics.

Who's God are they serving?

Mine. But are they really? Not according to my Bible, and my Bible hasn't done me wrong since I got it.

There is no short answer to this all... But I just ran out of time. Sorry mates.

[Tatianna]

But again, the question is not is thier doctorine true....not even is our's true. It is do they worship the same God. And according to Muslim's I have talked with....they actually do takl about Christ as a prophet...much the same way that some jewish people look at Christ as a prophet vs the Savior.

And Having read the Koran, no...it is not entirely contradictory. It is a different faith...but then that is to be expected from a different religion.


It's a complex question. As to what Muslims believe, I found this from http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8052_1.html

Incarnations
None, as only God is worshipped. Muhammad is revered as the last and greatest of about 124,000 Prophets/Messengers. Jesus Christ was a Prophet/Messenger of miraculous birth who performed miracles, ascended to heaven before crucifixion, and will return as a Muslim--but he was not an incarnation of God.

If they believe Jesus was not an incarnation of God then they do not believe in the same God as Jesus for christians, is God.

[mekaniker]

as far as i know islam, just like christianity, is an off shoot of judaism, so they all worship the same god.
Mohammed just threw in a little Judaism to make his religion look legit. Most people can tell the difference by the way they behave.

[bsleplatt]

It's a complex question. As to what Muslims believe, I found this from http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8052_1.html

Incarnations
None, as only God is worshipped. Muhammad is revered as the last and greatest of about 124,000 Prophets/Messengers. Jesus Christ was a Prophet/Messenger of miraculous birth who performed miracles, ascended to heaven before crucifixion, and will return as a Muslim--but he was not an incarnation of God.

If they believe Jesus was not an incarnation of God then they do not believe in the same God as Jesus for christians, is God.

Then, you believe the Jews also do not worship the same God, right? Because they too do not believe that Jesus was The Begotten one of God.

[Tatianna]

Then, you believe the Jews also do not worship the same God, right? Because they too do not believe that Jesus was The Begotten one of God.


No because the word makes reference to the grafting of christians, thanks to the eyes of the jews being blinded for a time to allow gentiles in to the fold. The word makes no allowance for muslims.

[Andrew_980]

History and study be damned, those who hate all muslims will never admit that they all worship the same god. It is not the god worshipped but the things practiced by man that seperates jew, christian and muslim.

[Tatianna]

History and study be damned, those who hate all muslims will never admit that they all worship the same god. It is not the god worshipped but the things practiced by man that seperates jew, christian and muslim.


So unless we admit muslims worship the same God, those of us who do not believe that to be true now hate all muslims?

[The Bos'un]

Tatianna, you have the question correct and your answers are sound. Others on the thread try the typical leftist move the goal posts to fit the occasion. Only thing is it will not work with God. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The God of the Christians and the Jews is not the same god as the Muslim god, allah.

[The Bos'un]

keep believing what you want to. But bewarned of false teaching and false teachers.

[Tatianna]

Tatianna, you have the question correct and your answers are sound. Others on the thread try the typical leftist move the goal posts to fit the occasion. Only thing is it will not work with God. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The God of the Christians and the Jews is not the same god as the Muslim god, allah.


For me, there is a right and wrong. A yes and a no. Liberalism likes to blurr those lines. I think a lot of people are confused because they are not grounded in the word. (Nothing to do with sinning) simply have not studied the word to the point of it being like the back of your hand. I spent several years doing just that. That doesn't make me anyone special and God knows I have a terrible temper, it simply means my house is not built upon sand, but upon the rocks where nothing can knock it down. I know what I know what I know.. and no one could convince me otherwise. This all goes back to God placing that thirst in me to know him and in order to know him I must know his word. Nothing of myself, all of him.

[10thAmendment]

Intellectually, both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

But so what?

From the perspective of faith, only Christians rightly put their faith into Jesus Christ.

John 3:16
Revelation 3:20

[Oakland County Liberal]

If there is a higher being that is in control of the universe, I don't think that it would care if humans called it "God" or "Allah."

[blklab]

Yes. All relgions wish for the same thing in the end.

[Claymore]

History and study be damned, those who hate all muslims will never admit that they all worship the same god. It is not the god worshipped but the things practiced by man that seperates jew, christian and muslim.


Christians can hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Muslims just like to behead people 'cause Allah says so.
Allah is a bloodthirsty devil.

[Poisonshady313]

Since Muslims believe that God created the universe, it appears that they do indeed worship YHVH, calling Him Allah only because that is the word of the language for Lord.

The problems.. the bloodthirstyness, comes from Mohammed, or at least the writers who claimed that there was a Mohammed, and whatever words he put into God's mouth....

I think, mohammed aside, Muslims worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.... and Chrisitians do not.. y'know, the whole Jesus factor.

Muslims with God as their Lord, and Christians with Jesus as their lord... no, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.

[krowe]

Islam was loosely patterned after judaism. The question is, do jews and christians worship the same GOD?

[Poisonshady313]

Islam was loosely patterned after judaism. The question is, do jews and christians worship the same GOD?

no.


The majority of Christian sects believe that Jesus was God. Jews don't worship Jesus. Jews worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[Sallow]

no.


The majority of Christian sects believe that Jesus was God. Jews don't worship Jesus. Jews worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I dunno..some say Son of..some say was..

The whole thing is confusing..especially when they start talking about trinities.

[krowe]

no.


The majority of Christian sects believe that Jesus was God. Jews don't worship Jesus. Jews worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Doesn't belief in the trinity mean Christ and GOD is one?

[Radioflyer]

In late 2003 President Bush said, in response to a reporter’s question, that he believed Muslims and Christians "worship the same God." The remark sparked criticism from some Christians, who thought Bush was being politically correct but theologically inaccurate.

Ted Haggard, head of the National Association of Evangelicals, said, "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health. The Muslim god appears to value the opposite."

So, my question is, "Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?"

Source: http://www.religion-online.org/showa...asp?title=3056 (http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3056) No. Like the port security and the boarders, President Bush is wrong on this.

[Sallow]

No. Like the port security and the boarders, President Bush is wrong on this.

Was Reagan wrong when he privatized the ports?

[Poisonshady313]

I dunno..some say Son of..some say was..

The whole thing is confusing..especially when they start talking about trinities.

That's why I said "the majority of" and not "all of"

[Poisonshady313]

Doesn't belief in the trinity mean Christ and GOD is one?

I suppose that's what it means... but Jews wholeheartedly reject the trinity. Jews don't pray to a trinity.

When Jews pray to a monotheistic, non-triune God, and Christians pray to a triune, formerly human God.... Jews and Christians don't worship the same God.

[Radioflyer]

Was Reagan wrong when he privatized the ports?No. He didn't offer them to the enemy.

[thr3]

As by the actually definition of God, it means the all powerful and only one, of course they worship the same one. There can ojnly be one.

[krowe]

I suppose that's what it means... but Jews wholeheartedly reject the trinity. Jews don't pray to a trinity.

When Jews pray to a monotheistic, non-triune God, and Christians pray to a triune, formerly human God.... Jews and Christians don't worship the same God.
Correct me please if I'm wrong, but when christians pray, it's usually to GOD in the name of HIS son.

[Gabby]

I suppose that's what it means... but Jews wholeheartedly reject the trinity. Jews don't pray to a trinity.

When Jews pray to a monotheistic, non-triune God, and Christians pray to a triune, formerly human God.... Jews and Christians don't worship the same God.


Christians believe in ONE GOD.

Recall how God spoke to Moses as a bush? We the human form of Jesus was much like the burning bush... nothing more. Christian do NOT pray to a formerly human God. The spirit of God in Jesus was never human. God used a human body as a way to get important messages across. Since God is omnipotent, infinite and powerful.. I suppose if he wanted to use a human form as a way to instruct people he can do it... you nor anyone else can deny him that right.

We believe in one God who has revealed three spects of him self to humans… the creator, the savior and the redeemer (the Holy Ghost).

You can worship or not worship God any way you want. But it is wrong for you to misrepresent what others believe.

As a Catholic I was always taught to pray to God, the one and only God.

[Poisonshady313]

Correct me please if I'm wrong, but when christians pray, it's usually to GOD in the name of HIS son.

some, not all.

[imdwlaw]

I doubt that there are any 2 people that worship the same God!

[Andrew_980]

Christians can hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Muslims just like to behead people 'cause Allah says so.
Allah is a bloodthirsty devil.
Muslims behead on the commands of men who act in the name of god with no instruction or authority from god, much as many religious types like to act in the name of there god but without any divine command. Much like abortion clinic bombings, they do as they please but use misinterperated lines as justification. That way they may claim to be righteous
You can worship or not worship God any way you want. But it is wrong for you to misrepresent what others believe.
Exactly, it is not a matter of what god worshiped but what man-created rules are followed

[Gabby]

Allah is the Arab word for God. Before Islam, Muhammad was a pagan. What I have read is that his family worshiped the main deity… called Allah, meaning the head God. With Islam Allah became the only God, and all others were discarded. Muslims have a list of 99 names of Allah. They are the names of the 99 other gods of Arab pantheon.

This actually could make sense because it would be easy for humans to break apart all the attributes of God and worship them separately. So now they became one. Muhammad claimed this god Allah was the same as the God of Abraham. If there is only one God, then anyone who says they worship this God, the creator of all things is indeed worshiping the same God.

The people comes in what the religions believe to the nature of God and the teachings or revelations of God.

The Islamic view of God directly contradicts the Christian view of God. Both religions claim that God revealed their Holy Books. Since the books contradict each other so thoroughly, only one can be true.

Further, the Qur’an contradicts much of the OT as it denies much of what is written in the OT. At first Muhammad said that the ‘book’, OT and NT were the accurate word of God. After his falling out with Jews and Christians who refused to join him and did not believe he was a prophet, he started denouncing Judaism and Christianity. The Qur’an says that the Christians and Jews did not follow the revelations/laws of God so God took the covenant away from Jews and Christians and Muslims are not the chosen people.

Here are just a few contradictions that lead to most Christians believing that the Christian God and the Muslim God is not the same God. After all whoever created the Qur’an does contradicts the creator of the Bible.

1) The Chri

Jesus says that there will be no more prophets after Him. He warns of the coming of false prophets and gives signs to look for to determine if a person is a false prophet.
Muhammad claims that he a prophet. He fits the description Jesus gave of a false prophet.

2) Jesus tells of The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (what is now called the trinity.)
The Qur’an claims that the Christian Trinity is ‘God, the Man Jesus and the mother Mary’. Surely if God dictated the Qur’an he’d know that this is not the Christian trinity. And the Qur’an says that the Trinity is blasphemy and paganism. So whoever wrote the Qur’an had an immature understanding of the Trinity and Christian beliefs.

2)Old Jewish law states that sexual sins are punishable by death. Jesus over turned that when he stopped the stoning of a prostitute. Islam reverts back to preChristian, old Jewish law reinstating execution for adultery.

2) Jesus said that if a person will not accept the word just walk away. People are told to spread the word. Jesus gave his example of how to do it with strength but humility and pacifism.

Islam says that all members of the Muslim community are obligated to participate in violent jihad to spread Islam. No able bodied Muslims is except. Now a person can participate by giving money towards it if they cannot fight, etc. But all must participate in some way. To not participate makes a Muslim an apostate and subject to execution. Muslims must first offer a people to convert to Islam. If they do not convert, then Muslims must offer for the person to live subjugated under Islam and to pay taxes (there are many rules for this second class citizen status, none of them are in the favor of the subjugated person.) If they refuse subjugation then Muslims are justified in killing all the people and/or enslaving them.

So Jesus says to pass the word peacefully. Islam says to subjugate and/or kill anyone who will not convert.

It is hard to believe that the Bible and the Qur’an, Hadiths are speaking of the same God. They do not even have the same natures.

[Gabby]

http://www.rbc.org/bible_study/answers_to_tough_questions/answers/30932.aspx


What are the differences between Muslim and Christian beliefs about God?


The word "Allah" is the Arabic word for God, the word used both by Arabic-speaking Christians before the birth of Mohammed, and by Arabic-speaking Christians today. To a devout Muslim, Allah is in many ways similar to the Christian God. Allah is holy, just, infinite, and all-knowing. Jews, too, worship a holy, infinitely powerful God, and share Christian respect for the Old Testament.

The Qur'an portrays God as a just and merciful judge, but doesn't teach that human sin and distress cause Him suffering 1 . It emphasizes the incomprehensibility of God more than His holiness 2 and love 3 .

Christians believe that biblical revelation is progressive 4 , fulfilled in Christ. Although the Old Testament describes God's supreme love ( Exodus 34:6 ; Psalm 86:5; 103:13 ; Isaiah 49:14-18 ; Jeremiah 31:10-20 ; Ezekiel 34:22-31 ; Micah 7:18-20 ; Hosea 2:14-16 ) at times its portrayal of God is troubling. (See the article, Why does the Old Testament seem to portray God as angry, violent, and cruel?) With the coming of Jesus and the gospel, Christians have the peace that comes with understanding the means by which God offers mercy and forgiveness to His children. In Jesus, God took human form (John 1:14.). Through Jesus we know the infinite, holy God as "Abba," our "heavenly Father."

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. (Colossians 1:15-20 NKJV)

For Christians, God's most loving self-revelation is in His Lamb ( Genesis 22:8 ; John 1:36 ; 1 Peter 1:19-20 ) through whom God's love for the human race was expressed in human form ( Acts 17:3 ; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 ; Hebrews 2:8-10 ).

God's suffering and grief at human sin and His love for the lost and rebellious begins in the Old Testament ( Jeremiah 3:1 ; Hosea 3:1 ; Ezekiel 34:12 ) resulting in His relationship with a sinful race ( Hebrews 4:15 ; John 10:11 ). It was expressed vividly in Jesus' parable of the prodigal son ( Luke 15:11-31 ) and the gospel descriptions of Peter denying his Lord. 4

The Christian God loves even the lost and the rebellious, and sacrifices Himself for hopeless sinners. ( Romans 5:8 ). The Christian God is the initiator of the relationship between Himself and our sinful race ( Isaiah 53:6 ; John 10:11 ; 1 Peter 2:24 ).





1. According to Islam our sins cannot offend our Creator. God stands too far above us to be directly concerned by our disobedience. When we commit sin we wrong ourselves; God remains unaffected. The following references are from the Qur'an: "Whoever transgresses God's bounds does evil to himself" (65.1; cf. 2:57; 7:160; 18:35; 35:32; 37:113). Our guilt lies only in our disobedience to our Lord's commandments. From the biblical point of view, however, sin is not just a transgression of God's law but an offence against God himself (Psalm 51:4; Luke 15:18, 21. Sin affects God personally and does not leave him indifferent. (The Prophet and the Messiah, Chawkat Moucarry, IVP, pp. 99-100)

2. In the Christian view, God sees sin with such seriousness that He alone is able to provide its remedy. The God worshiped by Christians is embodied in the Lamb of God -- the Messiah. Jesus reveals the intensity of God's concern for the human race. This is a continuation of the theme of God's suffering and grief at human sin and unbelief that is found in the Old Testament (Judges 10:16; Isaiah 40:11; 53; Jeremiah 3:1; Hosea 3:1).

3. Muslims do not see God as their father or, equivalently, themselves as the children of God. Men are servants of a just master; they cannot, in orthodox Islam, typically attain any greater degree of intimacy with their creator. (Shabbir Akhtar, A Faith For All Seasons, Chicago, Ivan R. Dee Publisher, 1990, p. 180)

4. Christians view biblical revelation as progressive. That is, as we proceed from God's earliest word to us in the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible) and continue through the historical books, the books of poetry, and the prophetic books, we see that God reveals more and more of His nature and His will to man. The patriarchs, statesmen, poets, and prophets of the Old Testament did not have a clear understanding of the redemption that was to be offered on their behalf through the Lord Jesus Christ. They did not even have a clear understanding of the nature of life after death. However, as God progressively revealed more and more of His nature to the men of Old Testament times, He did make it clear that His greatest revelation was to come in His Messiah. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, revealed God's nature to us perfectly in the form of a human being. In Jesus Christ (the Greek term Christ actually has the same meaning as the Hebrew term Messiah -- "anointed one") we have become aware of God's love and grace in a manner not possible during past ages.

Dan Vander Lugt

[Gabby]

Given the above two posts....
It is hard to believe that the Christians and Muslims believe in the same God because if they do... then He has multiple personalities and contradics himself constantly.

[Andrew_980]

2)Old Jewish law states that sexual sins are punishable by death. Jesus over turned that when he stopped the stoning of a prostitute. Islam reverts back to preChristian, old Jewish law reinstating execution for adultery.
Can you quote exact lines or tell me exactly where to find them?
Given the above two posts....
It is hard to believe that the Christians and Muslims believe in the same God because if they do... then He has multiple personalities and contradics himself constantly.That is man making rules in the name of god, in books written by man. It has no impact on a divine entity.
Allah is the Arab word for God. Before Islam, Muhammad was a pagan. What I have read is that his family worshiped the main deity… called Allah, meaning the head God. With Islam Allah became the only God, and all others were discarded. Muslims have a list of 99 names of Allah. They are the names of the 99 other gods of Arab pantheon.
Before the jews were the hebrews we know, they worshipped molech, a god of fire and light. Molech became the original model of the devil.
How is this differant?

[pastorbill]

Remember John Lennon?

[Claymore]

Correct me please if I'm wrong, but when christians pray, it's usually to GOD in the name of HIS son.

Correct. One gets to Heaven and into the prsence of God through Jesus.

The Trinity is:
GOD, the Father and Creator.
Jesus Christ, the Son and Our Savior.
The Holy Spirit/Ghost that emcompasses all.

[The Bos'un]

The people of ancient Arabia were pagans who worshiped a pagan god called Allah and followed pagan rites long before the religion of Islam evolved.

Islam does not worship the same God worshiped by Christians because Christians worship one God in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Islam denies the Holy Trinity and worships a different deity called Allah.

It appears to me that Allah is not the same Father God whom I know.

[one_party_under_god]

Muslims and Jews dfinitely believe the same God, a God that advocates 'eye for an eye' kinda justice and is pretty tough. God of Christianity has a more loving message of love for all, hatred for none and even suggests turning the other cheek at times.

But looking at the broader style of managing the world and prescribed punishments for homosexuality, adultery, usury, killing etc, they seem to come from the same God in slightly different moods at different times.

All three groups of faithfuls are certainly designed and created by same God and most worship the same God also. Now would all three get into heaven and hangout together in next life? That's a whole new chapter.

[XBlacklashX]

One way of saying it, YHVH.

http://www.revelations.org.za/NotesS-Name.htm

[The Bos'un]

The people of ancient Arabia were pagans who worshiped a pagan god called Allah and followed pagan rites long before the religion of Islam evolved. It appears to me since Mohammad was a "johnny come lately" in the religious circuit, he tried to copy some of Judeo - Christian beliefs with the paganism of ancient Arabia.

Wallah, this is what they got.

[abdurRahmaan]

The people of ancient Arabia were pagans who worshiped a pagan god called Allah and followed pagan rites long before the religion of Islam evolved. It appears to me since Mohammad was a "johnny come lately" in the religious circuit, he tried to copy some of Judeo - Christian beliefs with the paganism of ancient Arabia.

Wallah, this is what they got.

why do you say "judeo-christian" beliefs, when there is no such thing.

they reject the trinity, just like we do.
they reject jesus being God, just like we do.
they reject jesus being the son of God, just like we do.

its so funny how some christians try to tag along to judaism, all the while being rejected by jews.

[abdurRahmaan]

my question is, "Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?"


1. what i think bush meant to say (or at least should have said), was that The God of the jews, the christians, the muslims, and indeed all of humanity...... is The Same God.

2. that said:
the statement "Muslims and Christians worship the same God" is only true some of the times for some of the various christian sects, and is true all of the time for the other christian sects.

[peter45]

Anyone know where to buy the “Official Guide to the Gods”?
It was written by some atheist, but has been out of print for a while.
It gives the inside scoop on which ones are more powerful than the others.
Do your homework. Don’t hitch your wagon to one of the lesser ones.

[spinach]

the question is flawed.
Christians do worship GOD, and Islamic people think they are worshipping GOD.

Jesus said "No one comes to the Father, except by Me"

that means that no one can worship GOD unless they are in Christ.
those who deny Jesus as GOD the Son, might "think" GOD hears them, but He doesn't.

GOD cannot tolerate sin in His presence-
and a person who rejects GODs provision for dealing with sin [Jesus as GOD in the flesh, dying on the cross in man's place] has rejected GOD. GOD cannot overlook His own Holy justice, and give audience to a sinner.

GOD will hear any prayer a person makes, about repentance and accepting Christ. But nothing else-
because sin and the sin nature prevent GOD from hearing a sinner.

[abdurRahmaan]

spinach,

is there any sin that rests on those who conspired to crucify and kill jesus?

[spinach]

spinach,

is there any sin that rests on those who conspired to crucify and kill jesus?


its man that crucified Jesus.

that includes all men.
All men have sin, and their sin means DEATH.

the only way GOD could redeem man, and still be JUST is to give man an alternate to dying for his own sin.

and that is what GOD did.
God came in the flesh, and took mans place-
and any person who believes on Him, is saved.

those who do not believe- are still in sin, and they have rejected GOD's alternate plan to have mercy on man.


~~~~
As for the specific men that crucified Him in about 33AD, some of them may have repented. That information is not recorded in the Word.

[abdurRahmaan]

its man that crucified Jesus.

that includes all men.
All men have sin, and their sin means DEATH.

the only way GOD could redeem man, and still be JUST is to give man an alternate to dying for his own sin.

and that is what GOD did.
God came in the flesh, and took mans place-
and any person who believes on Him, is saved.

those who do not believe- are still in sin, and they have rejected GOD's alternate plan to have mercy on man.


~~~~
As for the specific men that crucified Him in about 33AD, some of them may have repented. That information is not recorded in the Word.

before i get to my original point, i would like to ask the following:

you say in the underlined and bolded text above, that the information regarding the repentence of the specific men who crucified jesus is not recorded in the word. but i ask: where in the word is it recorded that i, a man who have sinned, am included in this statement at the top of your post: "its man that crucified Jesus. that includes all men."?

either the chapter and verse #, or the actual words will suffice as an answer to this query.

[The Bos'un]

Don't move the goal posts.

[The Bos'un]

Sounds like you are saying it is the Jews fault. Typical arguement. But, it will not fly with me..

[Andrew_980]

Sounds like you are saying it is the Jews fault. Typical arguement. But, it will not fly with me..
That all depends on the version of bible and how it is interpreted. Romans tended to use crucifiction for major things, like treason. I read into it that jesus was far more a political leader and literal king than most do, fits with the palm leaves and symbology with magdaline, wich pionts to a king in the line of David. Others see him as more of a spiritual leader only,a threat to the jewish religion and eliminated as a threat to the temples.

[The Bos'un]

I get a kick out of some who does not know what he or she is talking about to weigh in on a subject.

Oh, keep talking.

[Andrew_980]

get a kick out of some who does not know what he or she is talking about to weigh in on a subject.
My belief are based partially off a book called The woman with the alabaster jar, a work detailing how bible passages could easily mean Mary and Kesus were married and he was heir to king david. I suppose now you will show me your credentials as a bible scholar to proove you know more about the topic?

[bigtwnvin]

Roman Catholicism teaches us that we were given Ten Commandments (to Moses a practicing Jew) to live our lives by.
Numero Uno loosely translated: "I am the Lord Thy God thou Shalt not have strange gods Before Me"
Is this Allah the same God?
Later down the tablet God Commands: "Thou shalt not Kill"
Holee mother of pearl, the Allah Akbars sure don't follow that one.
I hear the followers of Moehammid are taught by their Ko-ran that it is ok to lie, cheat and steal when dealing with us "infydells". :eh:
Right about now I'm leaning toward calling this Allah/ Moehammid deal a little suspect.
I've tried to live my life believing in the Trinity and although not a "Devout" Catholic, I'm taking my chances with the Christ Jesus. He gave his life for me so that I could be saved and with a little luck I'll get a chance to make it past St. Pete and see the Big Guy himself. If so, I'll make it a point to ask the question! :dance:

[The Bos'un]

Basing ones beliefs on paganism is not sound. Basing ones beliefs on discrediting Jesus is also unsound.

But, you can believe whatever you want, Andrew. (As long as you do not infringe upon my rights to believe in God and Jesus.)

America has freedom OF religion. You could believe in a moon dog god if you wanted to and bark at the moon every night (as long as you did not violate noise regulations or look in peoples windows) and that would be fine with me.

America does not have any constitutional based laws or rules that dictates freedom FROM religion. So, knock yourself out and believe whatever you want to.

[Gospel Checker]

No.

Apparently allah has a completely different set of rules than the Christian God.

[The Bos'un]

Apparently allah has a completely different set of rules than the Christian God.You have that right!! Even allah's flock is confused at which rules to follow. Like a pack of wild dogs on steroids (if steroids effect wild dogs).

Mohammad really confused a whole bunch of people with religion how he saw it.

[Poisonshady313]

No.

Apparently allah has a completely different set of rules than the Christian God.

kinda the same way the Christian god has a different set of rules than the Jewish God.

[The Bos'un]

Not necessarily so. The Jewish Torah (same as our bible) foretells our savior. However, because God has given us all free agency (the ability to make our own decisions and eventually be held accountable for poor decisions) many Jews have yet to accept Jesus Christ.

The Muslims reject Jesus Christ and try to muddy the water slightly and confuse people with liberalese talk.

Remember the arrest of Jesus Christ in Gethsemane? 51 And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish[f] by the sword.

53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?

54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?” Can you not see that the rest of the account of Jesus Christ being crucified on the cross was part of God's plan? Could it not be that God's plan also involves the Jews to continue to reject Jesus Christ until an unspecified period of time at HIS choosing.

I am sure without a doubt that if God wanted to change things and revoke free agency, He would.

We are but mere insignificant human beings.

Back to the issue at hand. There is no way that the God of the Christians is the same god of Islam.

[The Bos'un]

what is the point?

[Claymore]

You have that right!! Even allah's flock is confused at which rules to follow. Like a pack of wild dogs on steroids (if steroids effect wild dogs).

Mohammad really confused a whole bunch of people with religion how he saw it.



And Whom is the author of all this confusion, eh?
Could it be,,,,,, SATAN!?:eek:

[abdurRahmaan]

Roman Catholicism teaches us that we were given Ten Commandments (to Moses a practicing Jew) to live our lives by.
Numero Uno loosely translated: "I am the Lord Thy God thou Shalt not have strange gods Before Me"
Is this Allah the same God?[

yep the same one. but dare i think that you think it isnt b/c in the arabic, his name is Allah? if that is your reasoning, then certainly you worship some other being b/c his name is not "God" in hebrew. thats english, and there is not a trace of english, old or new, in the hebrew text.

Later down the tablet God Commands: "Thou shalt not Kill"
Holee mother of pearl, the Allah Akbars sure don't follow that one.

and there is plenty of killing done in the OT, after that commandment was made. so whats your point?

I hear the followers of Moehammid are taught by their Ko-ran that it is ok to lie, cheat and steal when dealing with us "infydells". :eh:

well you heard wr-ong. do you believe everything that you hear? did you believe what you heard when you heard the the world would end when the year 2000 struck? or was it when 2001 came in? i forget.

[JFKLiberal]

Some people think the sun is a ball of fire.

Others think the Sun is a cosmic nuclear reactor.

Others think it is a huge ball of super-hot plasma that is wormhooled with magnetic vortexes and huge layers of different gases at different temperatures.

Are they all talking about the same sun, despite having different views of the sun?

Of course, they are refering to the same sun.

And we worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the same as Jews and the Same as Muslims do.

[abdurRahmaan]

Not necessarily so. The Jewish Torah (same as our bible) foretells our savior. However, because God has given us all free agency (the ability to make our own decisions and eventually be held accountable for poor decisions) many Jews have yet to accept Jesus Christ.

The Muslims reject Jesus Christ and try to muddy the water slightly and confuse people with liberalese talk.

Remember the arrest of Jesus Christ in Gethsemane?

yeah i remember his arrest in gethsemene.

you know something else i remember in the garden of gethsemene.......him praying to himself with drops of sweat falling from his head and asking himself to remove the cup from himself, but saying to himself that nevertheless hisself's will will be done..........thats is if jesus is God as you say he is.

[JFKLiberal]

yep the same one. but dare i think that you think it isnt b/c in the arabic, his name is Allah? if that is your reasoning, then certainly you worship some other being b/c his name is not "God" in hebrew. thats english, and there is not a trace of english, old or new, in the hebrew text.



and there is plenty of killing done in the OT, after that commandment was made. so whats your point?



well you heard wr-ong. do you believe everything that you hear? did you believe what you heard when you heard the the world would end when the year 2000 struck? or was it when 2001 came in? i forget.

The word for 'God' in Arabic comes for the old name for the Moon God, and this becamse true long before Mohamed.

For Christians to say that 'Allah' is a moon God is like Arab Muslims telling us that we worship the sun because we gather on sunday and the old Norse god of the sun was called 'God' by many.

In other words, it is feeble, shallow rhetoric intended to alienate Muslims from Biblical Christians with whom Muslims have a great many things in common.

[Claymore]

yeah i remember his arrest in gethsemene.

you know something else i remember in the garden of gethsemene.......him praying to himself with drops of sweat falling from his head and asking himself to remove the cup from himself, but saying to himself that nevertheless hisself's will will be done..........thats is if jesus is God as you say he is.


I take it you meant to say 'yeah I remember reading of his arrest in gethsemene,,,,
I really doubt you have personal recollection of the event.

[JFKLiberal]

yeah i remember his arrest in gethsemene.

you know something else i remember in the garden of gethsemene.......him praying to himself with drops of sweat falling from his head and asking himself to remove the cup from himself, but saying to himself that nevertheless hisself's will will be done..........thats is if jesus is God as you say he is.

JEsus was praying to the Father, not to himself.

You do not understand the Trinity as a concept at all if you think Jesus was praying to Himself to remove the cup from Him.

The Father is the creating force that partly exists outside of time. Jesus is the Logos (word) that preceeds the Father's actions as the Father first conceives what He shall do and thus creates first an ideal of what He will Create.

The Holy Spirit is the life and love that flow between the Father and the Son and all their Creation.

And they are all part of the same being, but with three persons within that being.

So, no, Jesus did not pray to Himself.

[abdurRahmaan]

JEsus was praying to the Father, not to himself.

You do not understand the Trinity as a concept at all if you think Jesus was praying to Himself to remove the cup from Him.

The Father is the creating force that partly exists outside of time. Jesus is the Logos (word) that preceeds the Father's actions as the Father first conceives what He shall do and thus creates first an ideal of what He will Create.

The Holy Spirit is the life and love that flow between the Father and the Son and all their Creation.

And they are all part of the same being, but with three persons within that being.

So, no, Jesus did not pray to Himself.

if God partly exists outside of time, then what part of him existed in time prior to time's (which is based on the rotation of the earth around the sun) creation?

if Jesus is the Logos (word) that preceeds the Father's actions as the Father first conceives what He shall do and thus creates first an ideal of what He will Create....what was jesus prior to the first ideal God had about what he would create?

[Poisonshady313]

many Jews have yet to accept Jesus Christ.

And, God willing, they never will.

If they know what's good for 'em, they won't.

[Rhonda]

In late 2003 President Bush said, in response to a reporter’s question, that he believed Muslims and Christians "worship the same God." The remark sparked criticism from some Christians, who thought Bush was being politically correct but theologically inaccurate.

Ted Haggard, head of the National Association of Evangelicals, said, "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health. The Muslim god appears to value the opposite."

So, my question is, "Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?"

Source: http://www.religion-online.org/showa...asp?title=3056 (http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3056)


http://infidelnation.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=25

Is an often repeated multi purposed lie, It smoothes the way toward "a dialogue”, which, barring divine intervention can only end with violence, and/or Islam being dominant over of the rules of how Christians practice and act on their faith, if at all. Islam claims to not only have come before (Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, all muslims),Judaism and Christianity, but Islam claims that it comes after them as a continuation of them.

Islam is an NOT Abrahamic religion!

[Rhonda]

if God partly exists outside of time, then what part of him existed in time prior to time's (which is based on the rotation of the earth around the sun) creation?

if Jesus is the Logos (word) that preceeds the Father's actions as the Father first conceives what He shall do and thus creates first an ideal of what He will Create....what was jesus prior to the first ideal God had about what he would create?

Mohammad and muslims cannot trace mohammad's linage back to Ishmael, he has no claim on any part of Biblical prophecy outside of revelation. And muslims have no claim to Israel..



http://www.answering-islam.de/Main///Muhammad/index.html

[abdurRahmaan]

I take it you meant to say 'yeah I remember reading of his arrest in gethsemene,,,,
I really doubt you have personal recollection of the event.

and the reason you didnt correct this:

Originally Posted by The Bos'un
Remember the arrest of Jesus Christ in Gethsemane?

is....? :think: really just :think: about that, will ya.

[abdurRahmaan]

Islam is an NOT Abrahamic religion!

now i have got to say here that if islam, which mean "submission of one's will to the will of Allah/God/WHVH", is not THE abrahamic religion, i dont know what is?

certainly it is not judaism (and yes, several jews on this board have confirmed this), and it could NEVER be christianity. abraham would worship the sun, the moon, or the stars........and certainly he would worship a man, or God in the flesh of one!

[Rhonda]

Christians who accept Islam or refuse it

Some Jews and Christians are true believers, accepting Islam: most are transgressors. (Âl 'Imran 3:109)

Many monks and rabbis are greedy for wealth and prevent people from coming to Allah. (At-Taubah 9:34,35)

Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Muhammad will go to hell. (Al-Bayyinah 98:6)

Muslims should not take Christians or Jews for friends. (Al-Ma’idah 5:51) They must fight against Christians and Jews who refuse Islam until they surrender, pay the poll-tax and are humiliated. (At-Taubah 9:29) To this may be added hundreds of Qur’anic verses on the subject of jihad in the path of Allah, as well as the ‘Book of Jihad’ found in all Hadith collections.

So what say you all who think they are worshipping the same...the quran says otherwise...(Isa) of Islam is not the Jesus of Christianity...he is below Mohammed...not the same dude

[Claymore]

A.R., you are not going to convince most posters here that the Allah of Muhammed is the God of Abraham. If given the chance to pop back into time, we'd see that 'the prophet' was a sociopathic meglamaniacal paranoid schizoplrenic.
A nomadic Charlie Manson.

[Rhonda]

:arrow: PEOPLE OF THE BOOK (http://infidelnation.org/POTB.htm)

According to Islam

Fighting the Jews and Christians is legislated because They are Idolators and Disbelievers

Allah the Exalted encourages the believers to fight the polytheists, disbelieving Jews and Christians, who uttered this terrible statement and utter lies against Allah, the Exalted. As for the Jews, they claimed that `Uzayr was the son of God, Allah is free of what they attribute to Him. As for the misguidance of Christians over `Isa, it is obvious. This is why Allah declared both groups to be liars,

So if we worship the same god whats up with this:rolleyes:

[abdurRahmaan]

A.R., you are not going to convince most posters here that the Allah of Muhammed is the God of Abraham. If given the chance to pop back into time, we'd see that 'the prophet' was a sociopathic meglamaniacal paranoid schizoplrenic.
A nomadic Charlie Manson.

perhaps you missed this........

Originally Posted by Claymore
I take it you meant to say 'yeah I remember reading of his arrest in gethsemene,,,,
I really doubt you have personal recollection of the event.

and the reason you didnt correct this:

Originally Posted by The Bos'un
Remember the arrest of Jesus Christ in Gethsemane?

is.....?

[Claymore]

perhaps you missed this........

It doesn't matter.

IMO, Allah is not God and the followers of Muhammed are hood-winked dupes of a psychotic cult.

[abdurRahmaan]

Christians who accept Islam or refuse it

Some Jews and Christians are true believers, accepting Islam: most are transgressors. (Âl 'Imran 3:109)

Many monks and rabbis are greedy for wealth and prevent people from coming to Allah. (At-Taubah 9:34,35)

Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Muhammad will go to hell. (Al-Bayyinah 98:6)

Muslims should not take Christians or Jews for friends. (Al-Ma’idah 5:51) They must fight against Christians and Jews who refuse Islam until they surrender, pay the poll-tax and are humiliated. (At-Taubah 9:29) To this may be added hundreds of Qur’anic verses on the subject of jihad in the path of Allah, as well as the ‘Book of Jihad’ found in all Hadith collections.

So what say you all who think they are worshipping the same...the quran says otherwise...(Isa) of Islam is not the Jesus of Christianity...he is below Mohammed...not the same dude

so based on what you said above, the same can be said about the God of judaism and the God of christianity, since jews outright categorically dismiss jesus and even being anyone of any type of importance!!!

but i guess now, that your logic will change to something else more suitable to conclude that the God of the judaism is the same as yours.


4:150. Verily, those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers saying, "We believe in some but reject others,'' and wish to adopt a way in between.

4:151. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.

4:152. And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards; and Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful.



2: 136. Say (O Muslims): "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma`il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya`qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya`qub), and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and `Isa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).'')

[abdurRahmaan]

It doesn't matter.

IMO, Allah is not God and the followers of Muhammed are hood-winked dupes of a psychotic cult.

it does matter actually.

it shows your two-faced hypocritical nature in dealing with others outside of your faith, while trying to defend your religion.

that you as a christian, cannot be just, and criticize your own brethren as you have your enemy in faith. rather you are unjust and cannot admit to your own injustice. if you were just, you would have corrected him, or never said anything to me. and since you did say something to me and his comment was pointed to as not being addressed, a just person would have addressed it, or at least deleted what he had said to me. but you are not just. but jesus was. but your excuse will be "jesus was perfect. i am not." but thats lame, b/c you are not even trying to be "christ-like".

so yes, it matters. it matters a lot.

but dont worry, you are not the first to show your mid-sunday two-faced hypocrisy, neither will you be the last.

will you be just now and retract your statement to me or address bos'un's statement.........or will you call me and my religion more inflammatory names........something i dont think that christ would have done???

[abdurRahmaan]

:arrow: PEOPLE OF THE BOOK (http://infidelnation.org/POTB.htm)

According to Islam

Fighting the Jews and Christians is legislated because They are Idolators and Disbelievers

Allah the Exalted encourages the believers to fight the polytheists, disbelieving Jews and Christians, who uttered this terrible statement and utter lies against Allah, the Exalted. As for the Jews, they claimed that `Uzayr was the son of God, Allah is free of what they attribute to Him. As for the misguidance of Christians over `Isa, it is obvious. This is why Allah declared both groups to be liars,

So if we worship the same god whats up with this:rolleyes:

do you know what a mushrik is?

its one who takes partners ALONGSIDE/IN ADDITION TO that of Allah/God/WHVH.

that being said, we worship the same Creator.......you just add 2 other beings to your worship of the same Creator that we worship.

[Rhonda]

do you know what a mushrik is?

its one who takes partners ALONGSIDE/IN ADDITION TO that of Allah/God/WHVH.

that being said, we worship the same Creator.......you just add 2 other beings to your worship of the same Creator that we worship.