24 East Coast Live Thread. Spoilers Included So Beware

[DaGooseMon]

Here we go...

[DaGooseMon]

And we start off with a Middle Eastern man not being allowed on a bus, and it gets blown up anyway...

[DaGooseMon]

Jack doesn't look well.

[KAOSKTRL]

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN JAN 14, 2007 18:17:05 ET XXXXX

IS FOX SET TO BLOW THE NUKES ON '24'?
Sun Jan 14 2007 18:14:34 ET

As Washington continues to raise concerns about terror threats on The Homeland -- a recent CIA report outlined a scenerio of possible "series of explosions using 'low charge' nuclear weapons" -- Hollywood and FOX-TV are set to up the ante with the new season of 24!

Few outside of the 24 set know the exact details of the new season unfolding, but studio sources claim producers are pushing hard to take it radioactive this time -- and keep it there.

"Time to wake the country up!" a top FOX source told the DRUDGE REPORT over the weekend. "I do not think there has ever been TV done like this, the viewer is going to be completely riveted."

The source claims executives are prepared for any fallout from local municipalities that may be on the receiving end of plot turns and twists. How many cities 24 puts on 'nuke alert' is unclear.

FOX has set a highly-controversial espisode of 24 to air Monday night, opposite NBC's GOLDEN GLOBES.

In 2002, White House officials questioned the timing and release of PARAMOUNT's action movie SUM OF ALL FEARS -- a movie which depicts a nuclear bomb unleashed on an American sporting event!

One senior Bush official, who spoke to the DRUDGE REPORT at the time, claimed the movie crossed over the line of civic responsibility and commerce.

Developing...

[DaGooseMon]

Chloe Rocks.

[DaGooseMon]

Looks like I'm talking to myself so I'm closing up the laptop. I may check in later, so feel free to keep the thread going in my absence should anyone else show up.

[KAOSKTRL]

The woman must go.
no surprise that sports arenas are set up as detention centers everyone know that.

[uncledoom]

It will be interesting to see 2 things:

1. Who is reallly behind these attacks.
2. Who is the new mole in CTU/the Presidents cabinet

[uncledoom]

Hey...Kumar is on 24.

[KAOSKTRL]

It will be interesting to see 2 things:

1. Who is reallly behind these attacks.
2. Who is the new mole in CTU/the Presidents cabinetIts always the government

[KAOSKTRL]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact
Jefferson's Formulation
Jefferson offered one of the earliest formulations of the sentiment, although not of the phrase. In 1803, Thomas Jefferson's ambassadors to France arranged the purchase of the Lousiana territory in conflict with Jefferson's personal belief that the Constitution did not bestow upon the federal government the right to acquire or possess foreign territory. Due to political considerations, however, Jefferson disregarded his constitutional doubts, signed the proposed treaty, and sent it to the Senate for ratification. In justifying his actions, he later wrote: "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means."[1]

[bbt630]

Count Jackula Rules!!!!

[uncledoom]

Wow...man bites man

[gb2004]

Shoot!!!! I forgot this was on tonight. I missed the first hour. Someone catch me up, please.:cry:

[bbt630]

Well, we're already into the absurd....

2 years in China and Jack is unrealistically sharp...especially his fangs...

[KAOSKTRL]

Ozzy roolz

[gb2004]

How did he get out of China?

[KAOSKTRL]

It was great seeing Chewy go over there an defend a terrorist.

[KAOSKTRL]

Oh I dont know, stop an attack on a theoretical renouncement of terrorism by a terrorist, or recognize jihad for what it is?

Oh lets just say what ever

[uncledoom]

Product placement...Nextel cell phone as give you GPS lat/long locations on easy to read maps..

[bbt630]

already one predictablu suspect twist...

[bbt630]

quick prediction: the kid is about to get smoked.

[KAOSKTRL]

Akakakak their in the CAIR HD

[KAOSKTRL]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact
Jefferson's Formulation
Jefferson offered one of the earliest formulations of the sentiment, although not of the phrase. In 1803, Thomas Jefferson's ambassadors to France arranged the purchase of the Lousiana territory in conflict with Jefferson's personal belief that the Constitution did not bestow upon the federal government the right to acquire or possess foreign territory. Due to political considerations, however, Jefferson disregarded his constitutional doubts, signed the proposed treaty, and sent it to the Senate for ratification. In justifying his actions, he later wrote: "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means."[1]
bares repeating

[vir doctus]

Loved the 'dying for something' vs. 'dying for nothing'. :clap:

[KAOSKTRL]

More

[snagswolf]

Great opener. Back to the edge of my seat.

[KAOSKTRL]

They are going to be hitting the Only Muslims are innocent hard soon

[CrusaderFrank]

While in China, Jack must have watched "The Silence of the Lambs" ...repeatedly .

[snagswolf]

While in China, Jack must have watched "The Silence of the Lambs" ...repeatedly .
Except Hannibal didn't spit out the tasty neck meat. :p

[CrusaderFrank]

Except Hannibal didn't spit out the tasty neck meat. :p

Cheeks and morels?

[DaGooseMon]

Great opener. Back to the edge of my seat.

I'm blown away by this show. It's been over for nearly 2 hours and I'm finally to the point where I can go to bed and maybe get to sleep. :D

I can't wait for tomorrow night. Jack is clearly the baddest man on the planet, regardless if his self confidence is a little be low right now.

[ImNewHere]

You guys crack me up! :lol:

I liked it and will be tuning in tomorrow night. Not quite the cliffhanger they usually have, but there's still 20 hours left.

Anyone else notice they dedicated the episode to a Marine Corps helicopter crew shot down over Iraq?

[JazzyJH33]

I’m conflicted on what I’ve seen so far on the new season of 24. First of all, my expectations were extremely low and I went going in expecting what I saw the previous season (a ludicrous train wreck full of far-left fantasies about our government). But it was much better than I expected, though I could do without a few big things. First, the negative:

-The first scene of the show set a grim and disturbing tone, with the poor innocent Muslim being unjustly discriminated against. This "islamophobia" and unjust discrimination theme played out 9-10 times. It’s nice to see the new season has the CAIR stamp of approval. Speaking of which, it looks like the president’s sister works for a CAIR-type organization. We’ve already had a diatribe from her about privacy, I wonder what else is in store from her and her organization. But it’s like the writers said "Yeah, since we’re gonna have Muslims as the terrorists, we have to pacify the inevitable outrage from the CAIR types so we’ll make a big deal about civil liberties and discrimination."

-Based on the first two episodes, the overriding theme (aside from that disgusting islamophobia and bigotry from us American racists, /sarcasm) of the season will be the violation of civil liberties by our government. If the discrimination thing was seen 9-10 times tonight, the "trampling of the Constitution" had to be played up 19-20 times. Seriously, I was waiting for someone to rebut the evil conservative presidential advisor with the left’s favorite out of context quote of a founding father: "He who sacrifices liberty for a little security deserves neither." Though the same point was made in different words. And what to make of that advisor? How much more unlikable and farther out there can they make him; I mean, internment camps? Just such an outrageous and erroneous representation of that side of the issue. Is this really how Hollywood perceives conservatives, or just how they want the viewers to perceive them?

-The early parts of this show were presumably made at the beginning of last year, when the whole NSA wiretap issue was at the forefront. So naturally, after having successful propagandized about wars for oil and America hitting itself in past seasons, 24 is ready to bring propaganda to the living rooms of millions on another big issue: the U.S. government abusing and sacrificing the civil liberties of its citizens for false security. LOL. There were a couple times I just wanted to turn it off. Again, just like the media spread half-truths and lies about this issue, saying average Americans phone conversations are being listened in to, etc., 24 is doing the exact same thing. But they must, because when all the facts are presented they are easily refuted and their agenda defeated. For those of you who think politics don't exist on this show, or that it is in any way an endorsement of conservative policy in combatting terrorism, you may want to look a little closer.

The positive:

-I was shocked to see jihadists as the primary enemy (so far anyway, unless oil-greedy American businessmen or government officials are behind them again, see season 2 and 5), but it was a welcome surprise. Based on the previews I saw I thought they were eastern European. I am very glad the producers have made at least one important aspect of the show realistic.

The first episode was terrible, but the second saved it for me. I like the direction it took. For starters, it evened out the politics and redeemed itself a bit. The kid who’s dad gets rounded up to go to the internment actually turns out to be a terrorist, we have torture yield results after Jack goes soft, a creepy-but-realistic scene with the suicide bomber strapping on the bomb, and we have said suicide bomber say Allahu Akbar (I say that is a pretty big deal considering 24 apologized to the Muslim community two season ago about how they represented them). And towards the end I thought they were pretty realistic (by their standards, absolutely) about the terrorist threat and thought-provoking on some issues in how we combat it. In fact, they have an opportunity to bring up arguments on both sides of these issue that should be freely debated, and 24 has a great chance to do so without getting partisan or taking sides.

-I didn’t like this development when I heard about it, but I like Wayne Palmer as President. He is flawed, conflicted, unpredictable, and completely unsure of himself as commander-in-chief. I love it, should bring us some nice twists.

-The Jack Bauer character is deeper and darker than ever. We have already seen him lose his touch a bit, and let his emotions and personal experiences get to him. This gives his character a lot more depth, and I think he’ll get it back soon enough. So long as this isn’t used as a tool in an argument against torture, I think this new layer to his character will be a benefit to the show.

So overall, I’m just not sure yet. It far exceeded my expectations. From purely a TV standpoint it was very well done. And though I don’t think the ACLU and CAIR talking points are going away anytime soon, I think I liked it more than I disliked it. It was very intense, fast-paced, dark, and more real than any other season. I think it has huge potential, and time will tell if it lives up to it.

[ImNewHere]

I know Audrey went off to do a not-so-good show called "The Nine" but was surprised that she's not in the show now. Perhaps both she and Kim Bauer will be back this season as those were the two people Jack asked about when he returned to the US. And at the end of last season, my guess was that SecDef. Heller would have been the next Prez.

While it's not required, I appreciate the spoiler warning....

[JediMindTrick]

I know Audrey went off to do a not-so-good show called "The Nine" but was surprised that she's not in the show now. Perhaps both she and Kim Bauer will be back this season as those were the two people Jack asked about when he returned to the US. And at the end of last season, my guess was that SecDef. Heller would have been the next Prez.

While it's not required, I appreciate the spoiler warning....

I've heard that Audrey could come back. Kim Raver's other show, The Nine, is what kept her out of early episodes but since its been canned she might make it late season. Kim probably not.

[JediMindTrick]

Good first two episodes.

Love that Wayne Palmer is president. This is the most realistic thing this show has done in six seasons. America loves to elect less talented relatives (any Kennedy after John, any Bush after George Herbert, any Clinton, etc) so Wayne getting elected is very plausible.

I love Jack being so broken. Hopefully they don't forget about this mid season like they forgot about his heroin addiction mid season 3.

And for anyone that watched the previews of tonights episodes did anyone get the impression that at the end they are watching a nuke go off? I've carefully avoided most spoilers but what did filter through is that the end of episode four will have a OMG moment you won't believe.

[ImNewHere]

I saw speculation about a nuke on Drudge's site. I'm sure they have to do it, it's a matter of time. They have to outdo what they've done before. And that beats the 50 (or whatever) nuclear plants in the US that were going to melt down (forget which season that was).

[goeagles]

I’m conflicted on what I’ve seen so far on the new season of 24. First of all, my expectations were extremely low and I went going in expecting what I saw the previous season (a ludicrous train wreck full of far-left fantasies about our government). But it was much better than I expected, though I could do without a few big things. First, the negative:

-The first scene of the show set a grim and disturbing tone, with the poor innocent Muslim being unjustly discriminated against. This "islamophobia" and unjust discrimination theme played out 9-10 times. It’s nice to see the new season has the CAIR stamp of approval. Speaking of which, it looks like the president’s sister works for a CAIR-type organization. We’ve already had a diatribe from her about privacy, I wonder what else is in store from her and her organization. But it’s like the writers said "Yeah, since we’re gonna have Muslims as the terrorists, we have to pacify the inevitable outrage from the CAIR types so we’ll make a big deal about civil liberties and discrimination."

-Based on the first two episodes, the overriding theme (aside from that disgusting islamophobia and bigotry from us American racists, /sarcasm) of the season will be the violation of civil liberties by our government. If the discrimination thing was seen 9-10 times tonight, the "trampling of the Constitution" had to be played up 19-20 times. Seriously, I was waiting for someone to rebut the evil conservative presidential advisor with the left’s favorite out of context quote of a founding father: "He who sacrifices liberty for a little security deserves neither." Though the same point was made in different words. And what to make of that advisor? How much more unlikable and farther out there can they make him; I mean, internment camps? Just such an outrageous and erroneous representation of that side of the issue. Is this really how Hollywood perceives conservatives, or just how they want the viewers to perceive them?

-The early parts of this show were presumably made at the beginning of last year, when the whole NSA wiretap issue was at the forefront. So naturally, after having successful propagandized about wars for oil and America hitting itself in past seasons, 24 is ready to bring propaganda to the living rooms of millions on another big issue: the U.S. government abusing and sacrificing the civil liberties of its citizens for false security. LOL. There were a couple times I just wanted to turn it off. Again, just like the media spread half-truths and lies about this issue, saying average Americans phone conversations are being listened in to, etc., 24 is doing the exact same thing. But they must, because when all the facts are presented they are easily refuted and their agenda defeated. For those of you who think politics don't exist on this show, or that it is in any way an endorsement of conservative policy in combatting terrorism, you may want to look a little closer.

The positive:

-I was shocked to see jihadists as the primary enemy (so far anyway, unless oil-greedy American businessmen or government officials are behind them again, see season 2 and 5), but it was a welcome surprise. Based on the previews I saw I thought they were eastern European. I am very glad the producers have made at least one important aspect of the show realistic.

The first episode was terrible, but the second saved it for me. I like the direction it took. For starters, it evened out the politics and redeemed itself a bit. The kid who’s dad gets rounded up to go to the internment actually turns out to be a terrorist, we have torture yield results after Jack goes soft, a creepy-but-realistic scene with the suicide bomber strapping on the bomb, and we have said suicide bomber say Allahu Akbar (I say that is a pretty big deal considering 24 apologized to the Muslim community two season ago about how they represented them). And towards the end I thought they were pretty realistic (by their standards, absolutely) about the terrorist threat and thought-provoking on some issues in how we combat it. In fact, they have an opportunity to bring up arguments on both sides of these issue that should be freely debated, and 24 has a great chance to do so without getting partisan or taking sides.

-I didn’t like this development when I heard about it, but I like Wayne Palmer as President. He is flawed, conflicted, unpredictable, and completely unsure of himself as commander-in-chief. I love it, should bring us some nice twists.

-The Jack Bauer character is deeper and darker than ever. We have already seen him lose his touch a bit, and let his emotions and personal experiences get to him. This gives his character a lot more depth, and I think he’ll get it back soon enough. So long as this isn’t used as a tool in an argument against torture, I think this new layer to his character will be a benefit to the show.

So overall, I’m just not sure yet. It far exceeded my expectations. From purely a TV standpoint it was very well done. And though I don’t think the ACLU and CAIR talking points are going away anytime soon, I think I liked it more than I disliked it. It was very intense, fast-paced, dark, and more real than any other season. I think it has huge potential, and time will tell if it lives up to it.
Can you guys ever put your politics aside and just enjoy a fun show? Good Lord.

[DaGooseMon]

Yeah, I'm thinking there will be a nuclear attack.

Ok, I'm kind of interested in the way they are portraying some characters. I don't care for the supposed "conservative" advisor, Tom I think is his name. I'm fairly certain that's supposed to be Karl Rove. That's my bet. He'll be accused of leaking somebody's identity at some point, wait and see.

I do think they're doing an interesting job of playing with political correctness. First, with the Middle Eastern man not being let on the bus, and it gets blown up anyway by somebody else. And then, the Middle Eastern kid, Ahmed, who is a friend of the long haired boy. They painted him as a victim of profiling at first, being threatened by some redneck contstruction worker. And as it turns out, the redneck construction worker was right to suspect them. Even though, his reasons for suspecting him were wrong. He had no proof, just redneck speculation that turned out to be right. If it weren't for the redneck speculation, the redneck wouldn't be dead. I guess that's the moral of that scene. Don't go messing with middle eastern men, accusing them of being terrorists. You just might be right and get yourself killed.

[KAOSKTRL]

Yeah, I'm thinking there will be a nuclear attack.

Ok, I'm kind of interested in the way they are portraying some characters. I don't care for the supposed "conservative" advisor, Tom I think is his name. I'm fairly certain that's supposed to be Karl Rove. That's my bet. He'll be accused of leaking somebody's identity at some point, wait and see.

I do think they're doing an interesting job of playing with political correctness. First, with the Middle Eastern man not being let on the bus, and it gets blown up anyway by somebody else. And then, the Middle Eastern kid, Ahmed, who is a friend of the long haired boy. They painted him as a victim of profiling at first, being threatened by some redneck contstruction worker. And as it turns out, the redneck construction worker was right to suspect them. Even though, his reasons for suspecting him were wrong. He had no proof, just redneck speculation that turned out to be right. If it weren't for the redneck speculation, the redneck wouldn't be dead. I guess that's the moral of that scene. Don't go messing with middle eastern men, accusing them of being terrorists. You just might be right and get yourself killed.
You only hope the liberal defender of terrorist gets it too, He would have got knocked out in RL.

[uncledoom]

You only hope the liberal defender of terrorist gets it too, He would have got knocked out in RL.

Not necessarily. In real life, it's doubtful the red neck would have the stones to run into someone's house seeking justice...

[KAOSKTRL]

Not necessarily. In real life, it's doubtful the red neck would have the stones to run into someone's house seeking justice...
After 11 weeks of attacks and thousands dead. Dont be so sure.

[jeepers]

The whole presidential political adviser guy is massively annoying. I have no problem with having a character being willing to give up our civil liberties for perceived safety on the show. My issue is that at the moment, he looks like a stupid wingnut without any sort of reasonable rationale. And of course, he's Rove.

If they balanced him a little more, it would be more palatable. This was the most annoying part of last night for me. Screw the Constitution! The sky is falling! Arrest everyone without cause!

It's like a conservative stereotype on drugs.

[jeepers]

I saw speculation about a nuke on Drudge's site. I'm sure they have to do it, it's a matter of time. They have to outdo what they've done before. And that beats the 50 (or whatever) nuclear plants in the US that were going to melt down (forget which season that was).


It's either a nuke or something else spectacular. If they're having several bombings a day, taking out a mall again isn't going to put anyone on the edge of their seat.

They have to take out something significant or have it be on a massive scale.

[Young_American]

The whole presidential political adviser guy is massively annoying. I have no problem with having a character being willing to give up our civil liberties for perceived safety on the show. My issue is that at the moment, he looks like a stupid wingnut without any sort of reasonable rationale. And of course, he's Rove.

If they balanced him a little more, it would be more palatable. This was the most annoying part of last night for me. Screw the Constitution! The sky is falling! Arrest everyone without cause!

It's like a conservative stereotype on drugs.

Isn't he the Chief of Staff?

[grapabeaux]

The whole presidential political adviser guy is massively annoying. I have no problem with having a character being willing to give up our civil liberties for perceived safety on the show. My issue is that at the moment, he looks like a stupid wingnut without any sort of reasonable rationale. And of course, he's Rove.

If they balanced him a little more, it would be more palatable. This was the most annoying part of last night for me. Screw the Constitution! The sky is falling! Arrest everyone without cause!

It's like a conservative stereotype on drugs.

This has happened before - wasn't the Vice President last season a similar type of character? - but as the story went on, the role was fleshed out a bit. I would expect there's more to him than this. It would get really old if the only angle this character has is to spout a two-dimensional domestic security hardline position.

[JazzyJH33]

Can you guys ever put your politics aside and just enjoy a fun show? Good Lord.

How can you NOT see the politics? Even if you try not to see them, last season and so far this season they have been unbelievably overt. Trust me, I DON'T want them to be political. I WANT to enjoy a non-partisan, fun show. But to claim it is would be ignoring what is in front of me. And it is so sad to see because they have a great opportunity to have an un-PC look at the war on terror, and bring up some important issues. Instead they coddle up to CAIR and the ACLU, whitewash some of the islamic terrorists, have a bunch of muslims as the "good guys", and make "conservatives" (or a mockery of them) look as bad as possible.

[goeagles]

How can you NOT see the politics? Even if you try not to see them, last season and so far this season they have been unbelievably overt. Trust me, I DON'T want them to be political. I WANT to enjoy a non-partisan, fun show. But to claim it is would be ignoring what is in front of me. And it is so sad to see because they have a great opportunity to have an un-PC look at the war on terror, and bring up some important issues. Instead they coddle up to CAIR and the ACLU, whitewash some of the islamic terrorists, have a bunch of muslims as the "good guys", and make "conservatives" (or a mockery of them) look as bad as possible.
I hear what you're saying. It just seems to me that you' might be reading too much into it. It's not a political document, it's a classic paranoid action thriller. To me, sniffing around for political correctness and persecution of conservatives seems overwrought. Why can't you just sit on the edge of your seat and have fun, like I do? Hell, "24" may be the only thing that Rush Limbaugh and I agree on!

[JazzyJH33]

I try to enjoy the show, and do so for the most part. But I don't need to be lectured 10 times in two episodes about ostensible civil liberties of muslims everywhere being violated.

Anyway, here's a good blog post on the politics of the new season of 24, including some comments from the producers themselves.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/more_24_bs.html

Yes, we are the evil profilers of innocent Muslims who love America, hate terrorism, and would never ever protest in favor of Hezbollah and against America. Never.

Then, there's this from yesterday's Detroit Newsistan. There are three characters who don't exactly behave the way their real-life counterparts do:

Walid Al-Rezani: The articulate-but-combative head of a Muslim association who is working with CTU to bring down terrorists.

The head of CAIR, MPAC, or ADC working with Homeland Security to take down Islamic terrorists?! Excuse me while I try to stop laughing. The phony role is played by actor Harry Lennix (who-whaddya know?--resembles new Muslim Congressman, Keith Ellison; coincidence?).

Nadia Yassir: CTU analyst helping to translate and disseminate information.

Tom Lennox: A slimy White House advisor and villainous foil.

Of course, the guy who wants to enforce the law, have a real Homeland Security (as opposed to the limp, do-nothing agency we have in real life), and investigate the extremist Muslims who dominate American life--Of course, that guy would be the "slimy . . . villainous foil."

Remember, as I wrote previously, executive producer and star, Kiefer Sutherland said that, this season, the show will

take a strong political point of view. It's a major point in a way the show's never taken before.

Add to that, that this week, he told PBS' (a/k/a "Palestinian Broadcasting System") Charlie Rose:

Me--I see things from a left perspective. So, I'm always amazed when it's ["24" is] galvanized by someone on the right.


**** UPDATE: "24" executive producer Howard Gordon tells Detroit Free Press TV critic Mike Duffy a/k/a "Captain Video" that this season is all about focusing on the civil rights of Muslims:

The new President Palmer is being counseled to round up and detain Muslim Americans.

The chief proponent of that controversial tactic is Thomas Lennox (Peter MacNicol, "Ally McBeal"), a conservative senior adviser who one character in the show says "treats the Constitution like a list of suggestions."

So in addition to delivering a gangbusters contemporary thriller, executive producer Gordon aims to focus even more this season on such hot-button, post-9/11 topical issues as torture, ethnic profiling and the erosion of civil rights.

"All the terrible byproducts that come from a desperate population is what we try to convey," notes Gordon.

[jeepers]

That just made me depressed.

[goeagles]

I try to enjoy the show, and do so for the most part. But I don't need to be lectured 10 times in two episodes about ostensible civil liberties of muslims everywhere being violated.

Anyway, here's a good blog post on the politics of the new season of 24, including some comments from the producers themselves.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/more_24_bs.html
Thanks. Interesting stuff.

[KAOSKTRL]

That will kill the show faster than Jack getting killed.
I wont watch a 24 hour long civil rights message for CAIR.

[JediMindTrick]

I saw speculation about a nuke on Drudge's site. I'm sure they have to do it, it's a matter of time. They have to outdo what they've done before. And that beats the 50 (or whatever) nuclear plants in the US that were going to melt down (forget which season that was).

Thing is they have done a nuke attack already. I think it was season II, Kim was being chased by a cougar at the time, so I'm pretty sure its two.

The CTU guy who got radiation poisoning flew a plane with the nuke out in the desert so it would go off away from everyone.

So the only real shocker now is if the nuke goes off in a city.

[JediMindTrick]

Not necessarily. In real life, it's doubtful the red neck would have the stones to run into someone's house seeking justice...

How many innocent arabs were killed on 9/11 by rednecks wanting to revenge. I can think of several Arab convience store clerks across the nation who got murdered. There were probably many others beaten.

[JediMindTrick]

How can you NOT see the politics? Even if you try not to see them, last season and so far this season they have been unbelievably overt. Trust me, I DON'T want them to be political. I WANT to enjoy a non-partisan, fun show. But to claim it is would be ignoring what is in front of me. And it is so sad to see because they have a great opportunity to have an un-PC look at the war on terror, and bring up some important issues. Instead they coddle up to CAIR and the ACLU, whitewash some of the islamic terrorists, have a bunch of muslims as the "good guys", and make "conservatives" (or a mockery of them) look as bad as possible.

Every time I see someone say this it makes me wonder how much you actually watch the show. Were you the one I said this too already?

In season II the bad guys all season were Arabs (excepting of course the white chick girlfriend).

In season III the bad guys for half the season were hispanics.

In season IV the bad gusy all season were Arabs.

Now in season VI the bad guys are again Arabs. Eventually the behind the scenes guys from season V will reappear or so I've heard but there are still Arab bad guys.

Hardly any coddling going on and overemphasis on American or white terrorists. Is it so hard for you to believe there are good Arabs too?

[uncledoom]

How many innocent arabs were killed on 9/11 by rednecks wanting to revenge. I can think of several Arab convience store clerks across the nation who got murdered. There were probably many others beaten.

True that. However it would seem more believable if there was a mob rather than one guy. He can't be the only one ****ed off tin that neighborhood.....but see...now I'm thinking too much about this....never mind...LOL.

[JazzyJH33]

Every time I see someone say this it makes me wonder how much you actually watch the show. Were you the one I said this too already?

In season II the bad guys all season were Arabs (excepting of course the white chick girlfriend).

In season III the bad guys for half the season were hispanics.

In season IV the bad gusy all season were Arabs.

Now in season VI the bad guys are again Arabs. Eventually the behind the scenes guys from season V will reappear or so I've heard but there are still Arab bad guys.

Hardly any coddling going on and overemphasis on American or white terrorists. Is it so hard for you to believe there are good Arabs too?

Oh yes, I remember needing to respond to you about this. First off, it’s not about being "Arab," it’s Muslim. I know liberals like to ignore this fact, but 99% of worldwide terrorism is done by Muslims. We are fighting that ideology of Islamic fascism. I hope we can agree on this. Considering this glaring fact, you’d think most of the terrorists on 24 would be Muslim. Well, let’s have a rundown season by season.

S1-First half the enemy were white Americans. Second half, eastern Europeans. Pre 9/11, not really the modern 24 mold of a counter-terror plot. Moving on.

S2- You say "the bad guys all season were Arabs (excepting of course the white chick girlfriend)." Actually, the Muslim terrorists turn out to be mere pawns in a political game in which oil-greedy American businessmen (remember Max?) are looking to cash in on a fabricated war (sound familiar?). In fact, many of the Muslims that were portrayed as (potential) bad guys turned out be very sympathetic characters, if not victims. 1-The prime terrorist, Syed Ali, gets killed, only after he witnesses his family (in his mind) being killed because he won’t reveal info; it also turns out he wasn’t all he was made up to be, and just another victim of the vast conspiracy. 2-A suspicious foreign Muslim, Yusef, supposedly looking to restore some dignity to his people, helps CTU and Jack on a mission, only to be lynched on the street by a couple of racist rednecks (and they really played up the redneck thing) in retaliation of the nuclear bomb. 3-Reza, the future son-in-law of Daddy Warner, is throughout the show portrayed as very suspicious and guilty of collaborating with the terrorists. He turns out to be completely innocent, and dies at the hands of his wacko white American wife-to-be (who, btw, was a convert to jihad). We also have a bunch of war-mongering generals and government officials that try to fabricate intelligence so they can rush into a war with three middle east countries (again, sound familiar?). These same people try to oust the judicious, ethical Democrat President David Palmer (the second premiere protagonist on the show) who wants all evidence at his disposal before making the decision to go to war. So when you actually look into the real story in this season, the biggest enemy were members of the American government and businessmen. Not jihadists.

S3-The first half the antagonists were Mexican drug lords. Second half, a single disgruntled British ex-special forces member. Probably the least-political season of the series; I wish we had more of these. A great season.

S4-The only full season of actual Muslim terrorists waging jihad. This finally, only to have ads every episode with a disclaimer forced by the hand of CAIR et. al. saying something to the lines of it being purely fictional and the Muslim community strictly behind American and against terrorism. The show did not delve very deep into the minds or agenda of the jihadists either. Republican President Keeler is portrayed to be a decent man, but a cold, flat character that the audience has no connection to. Then, of course, comes President Logan (R) is the most namby-pamby, incompetent loser ever. We see this in full (and then some) in season 5.

And finally, S5-the season that finally woke me up to the realities of this show. It was so crammed with far-left talking points and conspiracy theories it might as well have been written by the Daily Kos. Let’s see: Americans in high places in the government and military using rogue foreign terrorists to attack America--in essence, attack themselves--so we could have a legitimate excuse to go to war for oil in the region? Gee, where have I heard that one? This storyline, by far, is the most ludicrous, outlandish, and outrageous one they have ever come up with and it ruined the season for me. And it only got worse, with the ACTUAL PRESIDENT in collaboration with the conspiracy. And of course, Jack Bauer comes to save the day, and takes down the evil president who is abusing his power. Indeed, if there was such thing as political porn, this season would be the quintessence of it for the left; fantasies don’t get much better.

SOOOO...for those of you counting, that would be no Muslims in the first season. Pawns and victims in the second. None in the third. Certainly none in the fifth. And the only full season of Islamic fascism as the enemy being season 4. The jury is still out on season 6. Considering "we" have been behind the attacks in two of five seasons, it wouldn’t surprise me if we went a third. BUT so far, yes, the terrorists in season 6 have been Muslims (coming with the caveat of an overwhelmingly unrealistic amount of "good" Muslims to counter the "bad" ones). Like I have said, I’m glad and surprised they did that, since I thought it would be eastern Europeans again. This has evened it out more, and I’m happy to have my argument weakened because of it.

And I know you people love to brand those who actually get the fight we’re in as "islamophobes" and "bigots," but this a misrepresentation. Muslims as a whole are not the enemy, and the majority of them are not a problem, but our enemy so happens to be 100% Muslim and the ideology based on Islam. This is a fact, and I had wished 24 would be more realistic about it (and to their credit, they are so far in season 6. Good for them.)

[snagswolf]

Time for us to do some guessing.

What did we give up to get Jack back? We are told it was a great cost.

Tell us what you think the Chinese wanted for Jack.

My guesses:

William Hung
Rosie O'Donnell (since she speaks Chinese)
Flavor of Love taken off the air and never broadcast again.
A box of Calgon (ancient Chinese secret)
An explanation of what is going on in 'Lost' from its writers
Our nuclear secrets (oops sorry, Clinton already gave them those)
Stop mistaking them for Japanese
Our secret fork and spoon technology

[KAOSKTRL]

Ugly posting

[ImNewHere]

snagswolf kills me. :lol:

[ImNewHere]

Thing is they have done a nuke attack already. I think it was season II, Kim was being chased by a cougar at the time, so I'm pretty sure its two.

Oh yeah. I forgot that. She was in that underground bunker with a psychotic Kevin Dillon.

[Spiked101]

Yeah it was season 2. One of the best seasons IMO. Except for the Kim and the cougar storyline. That was a lowpoint. LOL

Spike

[KAOSKTRL]

Kim was poison everyone agrees She is good for lurid or book film international . Bt not 24

[snagswolf]

Kim was just about as deadly as her father.

She left a trail of dead and mutilated wherever she went. Unintentional of course, but she inherited the talent.

[grapabeaux]

Ten minutes into Hour 3, and I see Jack driving an SUV in pursuit. He makes a hard right turn, and it doesn't roll over. My suspension of disbelief for this show is totally blown. http://www.hannity.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[KAOSKTRL]

The are not using Firestones

[KAOSKTRL]

No crime can be solved with out a muslim helping

[DaGooseMon]

Just got issued my replacement CTU ID.

http://politicalnightmare.com/CTUIDcard1.JPG

[KAOSKTRL]

Snot what a real one looks like

[DaGooseMon]

Snot what a real one looks like

I'm a covert operative in the Internet Forums Division. :shhh: Our cards are different. :D

[KAOSKTRL]

Let me know if I can help.

[KAOSKTRL]

They shot curtis

[DaGooseMon]

That is beyond ****ed up. I'm all for surprises and good drama, but this is just ****ing me off.

[janine11]

poor Black Bauer :( So sad. I still miss Tony...now Curtis is gone too...:(

[KAOSKTRL]

There is enough time left for detonation

[KAOSKTRL]

yup

[DaGooseMon]

Why didn't the do-gooder dad do something? He just stood there.

[KAOSKTRL]

Hes a trained coward.

[grapabeaux]

Why didn't the do-gooder dad do something? He just stood there.

I thought he was handcuffed.

[bbt630]

Why didn't the do-gooder dad do something? He just stood there.

he was tied..

[DaGooseMon]

he was tied..

was he tied to something or were just his hands tied?


I realize, it was written in the script that the bomb was going off, it just makes me nuts to see people just standing there when action could have saved the day.

I am way too into this stupid ass show. :lol:

[bbt630]

Let's review....

....Jack is a wreck....

....a nuke just went off in a heavily populated area..


...and yet, in 5 'real time' minutes, Jack will be his feisty self, the fire department will have the blast contained, the ACLU will still be defending terrorists rights, and all will be back to 'normal'n in 24 land.

[bbt630]

was he tied to something or were just his hands tied?


I realize, it was written in the script that the bomb was going off, it just makes me nuts to see people just standing there when action could have saved the day.

I am way too into this stupid ass show. :lol:

looked like he was strapped to the pole.

[bbt630]

btw-- let's hear it for marketing!

the season premier dvd, including next weeks' sneak preview, goes on sale tomorrow.

[jeepers]

He shot Curtis! :eek: AND a nuke! :eek:

Curtis isn't dead, but damn!

[Rhonda]

I never watched 24 until this season...now I am hooked!!!!!!!!!!

My reaction the last 5 minutes was
:(( :(( :((

Then

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Finally
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[TombRaiderBC]

General comments about the new season...

As usual, I'm hooked, no matter how dumb it gets.

Some of the characters are totally unbelievable... including everybody in the White House and Oval Office.

They continue to let insubordinate jerks work in the most highly classified CTU. I guess insubordination is a qualification for the job.

Jack Baur once again proves that he can recover from the most brutal torture, including having some kind of skewer stuck up his back or neck, and be back on his feet fighting bad guys within minutes.

Despite the flaws, it's a good show. As usual.

;)

[jeepers]

I never watched 24 until this season...now I am hooked!!!!!!!!!!

My reaction the last 5 minutes was
:(( :(( :((

Then

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Finally
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


See how this happens. Another normal rational person bites the dust.

[DaGooseMon]

I never watched 24 until this season...now I am hooked!!!!!!!!!!

My reaction the last 5 minutes was
:(( :(( :((

Then

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Finally
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


If you had watched previous seasons, you know Jack shooting Curtis sucks major ass. Curtis was a good guy.

[jeepers]

If you had watched previous seasons, you know Jack shooting Curtis sucks major ass. Curtis was a good guy.

Just last season alone was enough to know that.

[bbt630]

Now for the big question: what should the immediate reaction of the government be?

[KAOSKTRL]

I dont not buy the subplot with the PRESIDENTs SISTER AND THE CAIR guy fighting for hte Ameican way.

[Rhonda]

If you had watched previous seasons, you know Jack shooting Curtis sucks major ass. Curtis was a good guy.

Even though I haven't watched it before...I knew that...I accually cried when Jack puked

[DaGooseMon]

I dont not buy the subplot with the PRESIDENTs SISTER AND THE CAIR guy fighting for hte Ameican way.

Yeah, I don't trust the CAIR guy. I know he gave up the phrase, but I know the writers of this show too well. They're setting us up to be shocked he's crooked.

[Rhonda]

I dont not buy the subplot with the PRESIDENTs SISTER AND THE CAIR guy fighting for hte Ameican way.

Me neither...PC into the plot.

[DaGooseMon]

Even though I haven't watched it before...I knew that...I accually cried when Jack puked


Cried? Wow. When you fall for a guy, you fall hard don't you. :D

[Rhonda]

This show is tooooo good..lifetime for MEN:mrgreen:

[jeepers]

Yeah, I don't trust the CAIR guy. I know he gave up the phrase, but I know the writers of this show too well. They're setting us up to be shocked he's crooked.


And the Palmer's sister shocked at the betrayal after he involves her and makes her do bad things.

[KAOSKTRL]

Cried? Wow. When you fall for a guy, you fall hard don't you. :D
Dude you should see the PMs:shhh:

[Rhonda]

Cried? Wow. When you fall for a guy, you fall hard don't you. :D

All or nothing!!!:flag:

[Rhonda]

Dude you should see the PMs:shhh:

What???:redface:

[jeepers]

This show is tooooo good..lifetime for MEN:mrgreen:


:)) 'Strue!

Funny thing is, *I'm* the one that is hooked and my DH pops in merely for soundbites from me. :lol:

[DaGooseMon]

All or nothing!!!:flag:

I reckon so...

[Rhonda]

:)) 'Strue!

Funny thing is, *I'm* the one that is hooked and my DH pops in merely for soundbites from me. :lol:

I am still shaking from all the adreniline...I LOVE THIS SHOW...I am going to rent EVERY episode

[jeepers]

I am still shaking from all the adreniline...I LOVE THIS SHOW...I am going to rent EVERY episode


Oh man, you've got some catching up to do! Hurry up, you've got six days! LOL :mrgreen:

[KAOSKTRL]

:)) 'Strue!

Funny thing is, *I'm* the one that is hooked and my DH pops in merely for soundbites from me. :lol:
Dude I forget your a devotchka

[jeepers]

Celovic?

[Rhonda]

Oh man, you've got some catching up to do! Hurry up, you've got six days! LOL :mrgreen:

An hour out of each day...shouldn't take too long...

[KAOSKTRL]

Celovic?
devotchka

[jeepers]

devotchka

Don't have a clue what this means. :shifty:

[KAOSKTRL]

Clockwork orange

[KAOSKTRL]

devotchka young woman девочка, devochka, lit. "little girl"

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Concordance:A_Clockwork_Orange#C

[jeepers]

Clockwork orange

Free association?

I saw only pieces of that movie about a century ago...

[jeepers]

devotchka young woman девочка, devochka, lit. "little girl"

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Concordance:A_Clockwork_Orange#C

In that lexicon, more like cheena, woman, женщина, zhenshchina

[KAOSKTRL]

I was thinking you was a youngen

[gb2004]

Now for the big question: what should the immediate reaction of the government be?

Nuke Mecca.:evil:

[KAOSKTRL]

Accused 'fled London wearing burka' Monday January 15, 12:34 PM
Click to enlarge photo


One of the alleged July 21 bombers fled London after the attempted attacks disguised as a woman wearing a burka, their trial heard.

Yassin Omar was captured on CCTV at Golders Green coach station in north London and at Birmingham coach station disguised in the traditional Muslim women's dress.

He was picked up on the CCTV just a day after the attempted attacks, Woolwich Crown Court was told.

Prosecuting counsel Nigel Sweeney said: "CCTV shows him and his fiancee at Golders Green coach station and him at Birmingham coach station that evening disguised in the burka."

He was eventually arrested at a house in Birmingham by armed police on Wednesday July 27.

Two of the other defendants, Muktar Ibrahim and Ramzi Mohammed, were arrested at a flat in Delgarno Gardens, west London, two days later. A fourth, Hussain Osman, who had travelled to Brighton in the wake of the attempted attacks, returned to London and caught a train from Waterloo to Paris, the court was told. He then travelled to Rome, where he was arrested on July 29.

The prosecution alleged that Manfo Asiedu was supposed to be the fifth bomber but he "lost his nerve at the last moment".

Instead he dumped his bomb in a wooded area in Little Wormwood Scrubs, where it was found two days later, the jury was told.

Afterwards, he tried to convey the impression of a man "carrying on his life as normal", Mr Sweeney said. On July 26 he went to the police but "not to tell the truth", he alleged.

Instead, during the course of interviews lasting a number of days, he "lied on an epic scale" to keep up the pretence that he only happened to know two of the defendants, Mr Sweeney told the jury. Eventually, the true scale of his involvement was revealed by the "weight of evidence" against him, he said.

[Rhonda]

Little Wormwood Scrubs:shifty: :shifty:

[JazzyJH33]

I have recently been very critical of the show, but I'm sooo excited to finally say WOW! Well done 24! These two episodes rocked. It had all the right things, all the right emotions, at all the right times. This is what 24 is about and how it should always be. And for now, even though I know some things I don't like will probably be coming, I have got to give it it's due props. When it is on it's game like it was tonight, it is one of the best shows on television.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I unfortunately knew the nuke was coming as most of us did, but it was still very chilling and the second "I can't believe they did that!" moment in five minutes like Rush had said. But it was such a pure 24 moment. You fans know what I'm talking about.

And Curtis? EJOIFRWJEUOPIJKOEJIOPLUYEKJSJKLSD man that kills me. Just shocking and devastating. The most devastating character death for me was Tony, and this is just behind it. Curtis was such an honorable patriot. For those last seconds I was rooting for him to pull the trigger. A major part of me wants to be ****ed at TPTB that killed off yet another great character, but the other part says this such adds more to such great, dramatic television.

But yeah, well done by the 24 peeps and I'm glad they redeemed themselves.

For now. :neutral:

[jeepers]

I was thinking you was a youngen

Nope. I remember Mork and Mindy. :lol:

[ImNewHere]

Wow.

[Rhonda]

Wow.

I remember its a wonderful life












on DVD:lol:

[ImNewHere]

I remember its a wonderful life












on DVD:lol:

You watched both hours, right? Remember how each hour ended?

That's the way they usually do it. They're really good at hooking you into watching the next episode.

[ImNewHere]

There's no way Curtis puts himself into that position to get shot. That's not like him at all, regardless of what happened during Desert Storm.

[Rhonda]

You watched both hours, right? Remember how each hour ended?

That's the way they usually do it. They're really good at hooking you into watching the next episode.



Oh...yes I watched 2 hours Sunday night and two hours monday night

[ImNewHere]

Oh...yes I watched 2 hours Sunday night and two hours monday night

Tonight was much better. Last night was a set up for tonight. Can't wait to see how the rest of this plays out.

[Rhonda]

Tonight was much better. Last night was a set up for tonight. Can't wait to see how the rest of this plays out.

I hope they don't disappoint me. I cried when Jack puked over his friend...then I was horrified at the nuke

[monkeymom]

It is sad how hooked my kids and I all are. One son is away at college and I have talked to him more tonight than I have in the last two weeks!! Three phone calls...."are you watching?" ... "did you see that?" ... "can you believe they did that?"

So don't let anyone tell you television won't bring a family together ;)

[Rhonda]

Every Monday night I will watch 24...and have ice cream:cool:

[ImNewHere]

I hope they don't disappoint me. I cried when Jack puked over his friend...then I was horrified at the nuke

They've knocked off a bunch of people over the years.

[JimGP20]

There's no way Curtis puts himself into that position to get shot. That's not like him at all, regardless of what happened during Desert Storm.

I agree with this assesment. Curtis has always been the consumate professional, and for him to let this incident get the best of him, when there would have been time later for revenge, is contrived beyond logic. If they were going to kill him off, it should have been in the nuclear blast as the team leader.

[Rhonda]

They've knocked off a bunch of people over the years.

I shall rent all of the episodes

[ImNewHere]

I shall rent all of the episodes

I almost envy you ..... not seeing any of the episodes before this weekend..... getting to watch them all without seeing any of them before.

[Rhonda]

I almost envy you ..... not seeing any of the episodes before this weekend..... getting to watch them all without seeing any of them before.

I am looking forward to something for once... in a long time

[KAOSKTRL]

Nope. I remember Mork and Mindy. :lol:See ,I dont ,yur a youngen

[goeagles]

I have recently been very critical of the show, but I'm sooo excited to finally say WOW! Well done 24! These two episodes rocked. It had all the right things, all the right emotions, at all the right times. This is what 24 is about and how it should always be. And for now, even though I know some things I don't like will probably be coming, I have got to give it it's due props. When it is on it's game like it was tonight, it is one of the best shows on television.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I unfortunately knew the nuke was coming as most of us did, but it was still very chilling and the second "I can't believe they did that!" moment in five minutes like Rush had said. But it was such a pure 24 moment. You fans know what I'm talking about.

And Curtis? EJOIFRWJEUOPIJKOEJIOPLUYEKJSJKLSD man that kills me. Just shocking and devastating. The most devastating character death for me was Tony, and this is just behind it. Curtis was such an honorable patriot. For those last seconds I was rooting for him to pull the trigger. A major part of me wants to be ****ed at TPTB that killed off yet another great character, but the other part says this such adds more to such great, dramatic television.

But yeah, well done by the 24 peeps and I'm glad they redeemed themselves.

For now. :neutral:
There ya go. Glad to see you having fun.

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama save the Day! Maybe Obama will stand in for Wayne Palmer as President since it's obvious Wayne's not up to the task?

[CrusaderFrank]

Wayne Palmer must be a Democrat. See how fast he did whatever Fayed asked?

Now the Libbies will respond with the humorless answer, "yeah, if he was a Republican he would have stuck his finger on the globe and ordered an attack against some random nation. Ha ha."

[ImNewHere]

Obama save the Day! Maybe Obama will stand in for Wayne Palmer as President since it's obvious Wayne's not up to the task?

But isn't he in that detention facility? That's how he overheard that phrase in Arabic about the "five visitors."

[CrusaderFrank]

But isn't he in that detention facility? That's how he overheard that phrase in Arabic about the "five visitors."

Well, sure, now he's in the Detention Center, but give him an hour with Jack and Obama will be sitting in the Oval Office issuing Executive Orders.

[ImNewHere]

And why does Chloe keep getting involved with moles/bad guys? He could be Fayed's twin brother.

[DaGooseMon]

Hey, I found some CTU desktops for your computer.

My favorite: http://politicalnightmare.com/CTU_DESKTOP.jpg

Here's another one: http://politicalnightmare.com/CTU_Control_Screen_by_FL_Jones.jpg

And one in wide screen format:
http://politicalnightmare.com/CTU_Control_Screen1280.jpg

[ImNewHere]

I want an ID card like yours.

[DaGooseMon]

I want an ID card like yours.

Ok, which do you want? I have the Special Ops, the Intell Analyst, and CTU Internet Protocol Manager.

[KAOSKTRL]

And why does Chloe keep getting involved with moles/bad guys? He could be Fayed's twin brother.low self esteem

[ImNewHere]

"Kim Bauer's Love Machine"

[DaGooseMon]

Here you go man. You'll need to resize it if you want to use it as a sig pic. I can do it if need be.

http://politicalnightmare.com/INHPROTOCOL_MGR1.JPG

[ImNewHere]

Oh, that's hilarious!!! :)) Thank you kindly!! LMAO!!!!

[DaGooseMon]

Oh, that's hilarious!!! :)) Thank you kindly!! LMAO!!!!

I thought so too. I may have to make my ID my sig pic... :think:

[DaGooseMon]

Anyone else need one? I can try to get it done today.

I'll need a picture to use for the ID...

[grapabeaux]

While it seems as if the Curtis turn of events might be contrived, it is plausible to read that in context with the overall decision of the writers that the story arcs are going to be heavy on action and minimalist on character insight (just enough to tell the story right, and nothing more). If you wanted to, you could attribute the long periods where Jack is doing superhuman feats without his ominous depression and possible death wish to shoving those feelings down and fighting the bad guys on almost auto-pilot and making a series of short-term decisions.

If this were set up like a Bond movie, the character development might be able to be set up in slow-action scenes (like in a bar having a drink, or in bed with a girl). If this were a novel, there might be interior monologue where Jack's thoughts could be expressed without getting in the way of the action.

As it is, the setup of these stories only allow bits and pieces of character insight at a time, and a backstory for Curtis only had so much room to be revealed. If the writers had some foresight, maybe they could have written something in last season, but frankly, it would have been boring to have Curtis play the loyal sidekick without any more dimensions to his character.

[Spiked101]

I agree with this assesment. Curtis has always been the consumate professional, and for him to let this incident get the best of him, when there would have been time later for revenge, is contrived beyond logic. If they were going to kill him off, it should have been in the nuclear blast as the team leader.

I agree..

Spike

[doghouse]

Here you go man. You'll need to resize it if you want to use it as a sig pic. I can do it if need be.

http://politicalnightmare.com/INHPROTOCOL_MGR1.JPG

Cool.

I can use that to make a badge up at work (I do them for the organization).

[doghouse]

I hope they don't disappoint me. I cried when Jack puked over his friend...then I was horrified at the nuke

What happened? I thought Fayed bought it, but wasn't he in the coming attractions?

[Rhonda]

And why does Chloe keep getting involved with moles/bad guys? He could be Fayed's twin brother.

Thats what I was thinking

[vir doctus]

What happened? I thought Fayed bought it, but wasn't he in the coming attractions?

He had already left for the "safe house".

[newyorkjetsfan]

And why does Chloe keep getting involved with moles/bad guys? He could be Fayed's twin brother.

What does Chloe see in her ex-husband? It was amusing when she said that she dated Milo while she and her husband were seperated.

I was surprised when A. Jack shot Curtis to protect the ex-terrorist and B. the nuclear explosion. Will Jack be infected with the nuclear dust?

I was watching MSNBC when two political pundits wonder if the show would actually help Bush. You got to be kidding me!!! It's a TV show!!!

[monkeymom]

It is just a TV show, but the plot lines could easily spark discussion/debate about reality versions of the same. I know at my office, a coworker and I got into quite a spirited debate about the President's sister destroying those personnel records. Of course our conversation was quickly applied to current issues of wiretapping, etc.

Anything that sparks discussion/interest in politics/government, etc., has the capability of either hurting or helping the President because it affects American's attitudes about politics & government (whether intended or not).

[uncledoom]

I read in TV guide that Rick Schroder will be in future episodes as a CTU agent. Decent choice to replace Manning.

[DaGooseMon]

I read in TV guide that Rick Schroder will be in future episodes as a CTU agent. Decent choice to replace Manning.

I don't know. He actually surprised me on NYPD Blue because he was pretty good in that roll. But.... It's Ricky Schroder... :sick:

[KAOSKTRL]

Never heard of him

[DaGooseMon]

Never heard of him


The kid from Silver Spoons.

[KAOSKTRL]

The kid from Silver Spoons.nothing

[DaGooseMon]

nothing


How old are you, 22 years old? You don't remember Mork and Mindy or Silver Spoons? WTH?

[enki]

And why does Chloe keep getting involved with moles/bad guys? He could be Fayed's twin brother.

he's not a bad guy. he's just stubborn.

[uncledoom]

How old are you, 22 years old? You don't remember Mork and Mindy or Silver Spoons? WTH?


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005401/

[snagswolf]

Question. If Fayed broke this nuclear expert guy out of prison just to set off this bomb, and the guy is now atomized, who's going to set off the other four bombs?

[KAOSKTRL]

Question. If Fayed broke this nuclear expert guy out of prison just to set off this bomb, and the guy is now atomized, who's going to set off the other four bombs?
I figure he tweaked the other ones before the one that got lit.

[KAOSKTRL]

How old are you, 22 years old? You don't remember Mork and Mindy or Silver Spoons? WTH?
I watch the news .

[KAOSKTRL]

I was teasing about M & m I remember it ,just didnt watch it.

[ImNewHere]

he's not a bad guy. he's just stubborn.

I don't trust anybody except for Jack. Well, Tony too, but he's dead.

[snowball911]

I don't trust anybody except for Jack. Well, Tony too, but he's dead.

Entering the conversation late here. Are you sure Tony's dead? http://www.fox.com/video/?cat_id=24&clip_id=24_tony_int_red_carpet_hi&

"I cannot comment on deaths or non deaths...." - Carlos Bernard.

[Rhonda]

Tried to rent season 1...they are out....:((

[KAOSKTRL]

I don't trust anybody except for Jack. Well, Tony too, but he's dead.I think Curtis proved himself last night

[ImNewHere]

Entering the conversation late here. Are you sure Tony's dead? http://www.fox.com/video/?cat_id=24&clip_id=24_tony_int_red_carpet_hi&

"I cannot comment on deaths or non deaths...." - Carlos Bernard.

"I can't comment on that, either. Aren't I a good interview?" :lol:

[grapabeaux]

Interesting week on the TV for actor Kal Penn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal_Penn). On Sunday and Monday, the dude you knew as Kumar playing a terrorist pawn on "24".

On Tuesday, he's playing a role of a rapist-murderer obsessed with fame on "Law and Order: SVU".

[bbt630]

So when does Ricky Shroeder show up?

[KAOSKTRL]

The Evolution of Jack Bauer
By James Poniewozik

Last June in Washington, the conservative Heritage Foundation held a forum on terrorism with a panel of august authorities. There was Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff. There was a pair of think-tank terrorism experts. And naturally, there were Chloe, Tony and the evil President from 24.

The panel--"24 and America's Image in Fighting Terrorism: Fact, Fiction or Does It Matter?"--was not exactly Foreign Affairs journal material. Moderator Rush Limbaugh planted a full-on mouth kiss on actress Mary Lynn Rajskub (a.k.a. tech geek Chloe), and actors and producers took softball questions as audience members cheered what Limbaugh called the show's "pro-America" stance. (Among the crowd were pundit Laura Ingraham and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.) The weird spectacle put a point on a raging question in pop culture: Is 24 just a TV show or right-wing propaganda? Or, to turn Jack Bauer's frequent refrain on him: Who are you working for?

Certainly 24, which debuted just weeks after 9/11 and returns Jan. 14, comes as close as anything has to being the Official Cultural Product of the War on Terrorism. Co-creator Joel Surnow is a rare Hollywood Republican, and John McCain has done a cameo. Dick Cheney is a big fan too, and you can understand the Administration's wanting to associate itself with Bauer's badass competence. (He nabs nuclear masterminds; we get Jose Padilla.) Most damningly to critics on the left, Bauer's means of gathering intel (grab terrorist's finger, snap, repeat) make 24 a weekly rationalization of the "ticking time bomb" defense of torture.

So is 24 a conservative show? Yes, in the sense that the thriller is a conservative genre. Ticking time bombs and pure-evil bad guys make for exciting TV. Working patiently to improve America's image in the Muslim world--not so much. (Maybe Aaron Sorkin could spice it up with an office romance and lots of walk-and-talks.) Muddy a terrorism thriller with liberal concern over root causes and you get Syriana, whose plot audiences couldn't follow with a GPS device. "The politics of the show," says executive producer Howard Gordon (a registered Democrat), "are narrative politics."

But beyond that, things get more complicated. As the war has dragged on and become less black-and-white, so has 24. In 2003 it featured a conspiracy to provoke a Middle East invasion using bogus WMD evidence. (Yellowcake, anyone?) Last year's villain was the President, who had his predecessor assassinated. In the new season, a string of suicide bombings has led, chillingly, to federal "detention centers" for Muslims, much like in the liberal pre-9/11 movie The Siege.

Then there's Bauer (Kiefer Sutherland), who has seen his wife killed, executed an innocent man to stop an attack, tortured people (sometimes mistakenly), been tortured and spent two years in a Chinese prison. Unlike James Bond, who just gets younger and tougher, by the new season Bauer is tired, disillusioned and wondering how much longer he can fight the Long War. His scars are not only physical; his work has cost him relationships and perhaps some part of his humanity. He has been changed and damaged by every compromise he has had to make. By extension, he forces us to ask if we have too.

He keeps fighting, of course (he has 24 episodes to fill), but for people, not politics. 24's ideology--Jack Bauerism, if you will--is not so much in between left and right as it is outside them, impatient with both A.C.L.U. niceties and Bushian moral absolutes. This season, Bauer allies with Hamri al-Assad, a (putatively) reformed terrorist leader, to stop an attack. He thus displays a better grasp of realpolitik than has the Bush Administration, which resisted the Iraq Study Group's recommendation to work with Iran and Syria. A fellow agent asks Bauer if it matters that al-Assad has murdered hundreds of people. "I don't know what means anything anymore," he answers. "The playing field has changed."

That playing field can change again, and probably will. On 24, there are a few very good people, a few very bad ones and in between, a lot of question marks who can upend the plot (and the political analogies). That may be the biggest lesson of 24 in the Iraq era: don't stubbornly hang on to your preconceptions when the facts on the ground change. Undoubtedly, Bauer will continue to give liberals and libertarians conniptions before his latest day is over. But if conservatives and neocons think 24 is working for them, they don't know Jack.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1576853,00.html

[KAOSKTRL]

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Tuesday, Jan. 16, 2007

You Don't Know Jack, Part 2
People* have been wondering if I want to add any more to my current column--which argues that 24 is not the right-wing tool some critics say it is--in the light of last night's episode, where a suitcase nuke blew up in suburban L.A. Some detractors--or at least those that ABC News coaxed knee-jerk reactions from--say the blast went too far in whipping up public fears, calling the show "propaganda" without "any redeeming value."

I'd seen the episode before writing the column, of course, but that would have been an atomic spoiler before the fact, so here's my take. First: dude, it was just Tarzana. [Ed.-- I'm told the bomb actually went off in Valencia. I don't have the DVD at hand, but either way, if the Apple Pan is still standing, that's a minor terrorist attack in my book.] Second, seriously, have none of these people watched the show before? Nuclear threats are as common as commercial breaks on 24: the nuclear-warhead threat in season 2, the nuclear-power plant meltdown followed by nuke-tipped cruise-missile threat in season 4. Each has played in different ways and involved different villains: in season 4, radical Muslims were at work, but in season 2, as I've noted before, the culprit was American government members and military, working in cahoots with Big Oil to gin up a Mideast invasion using false evidence linking Arab states to a WMD plot, at the exact time that we were readying to invade Iraq. Yeah, that's classic right-wing propaganda there.

Finally, and most important: yes, the idea of the "smoking gun mushroom cloud" is a signature line of Dick Cheney's. But to say that televising an A-blast is conservative (pace Lyndon Johnson) is not just wrong, it's insulting--to liberals. It assumes that liberals don't worry about terrorism, don't care about nuclear proliferation and loose nukes, and don't think that WMDs are a serious threat. That's nonsense--if anything, Democrats and liberals have constantly criticized the Bush administration for not doing enough to secure Soviet nuclear material just like the suitcase bomb that detonated on Fox last night: the administration was earning failing grades from the 9/11 Commission on securing WMDs while Democratic voices like Gary Hart have berated them to do more about proliferation. (If a bombing like 24's happened tomorrow, after all, on whose watch would the nuke have gotten loose?) Conservatives would love Americans to believe that they're the only ones who care about WMD terrorism--why liberals would spread that bogus idea is beyond me.

Whew! Ultimately, when you argue with people trying to read sinister political intent into a big, loud, ridiculous TV show, you end up sounding as looney as they do. 24 isn't partisan, it's just paranoid, and sustaining its paranoid suspense means there have to be a lot of threats, extreme, surprising and from all sides. But as the silly hubbub over 24's "propaganda" shows, no party has a monopoly on paranoia.

* for which read, "my editors, who can practically taste the traffic the post would generate
http://time.blogs.com/tuned_in/

[Hereintheusa]

Its fantastic that 24 is back. I love the show, not because it gives me any insight into how the US deals with terrorism but because it is good solid over the top entertainment. You dont know who will live and who will die and they always throw a few plot twists in there.

Am I the only one who thinks the new President Palmer is totally out of his depth, in less than a few hours he makes deals with two different terrorists and stands around looking confused.

But the sucide bombings and nuclear explosions certainly start the series in a dire way.

Whats more interesting is they have added some depth to Jacks character - he is really suffering from his two year stint in Chinese captivity. Some serious PTSD there. His reaction to having execute Curtis was realistic and for the first time you really felt for Bauer. Here is a guy who was left to rot for two years and the only time his country could be bothered to get him back was so they could let him be killed.

I hope they continue to explore the issues that Jack is having and this could have serious repurcussions as he runs around trying to find the other 4 nukes.

[Rhonda]

I had to buy the first season of 24...couldn't rent it...they were ALL rented out from All the stores...Best buy had to order more.

I watched the first 12 hours in 1 sitting..I could not help myself

[KAOSKTRL]

haha!

[ImNewHere]

I watched the first 12 hours in 1 sitting..I could not help myself

You've been absorbed by the cult. Welcome.

[gb2004]

Question. If Fayed broke this nuclear expert guy out of prison just to set off this bomb, and the guy is now atomized, who's going to set off the other four bombs?

Excellent question.

[KAOSKTRL]

24 is on tonight

[DaGooseMon]

24 is on tonight


Holy Crap, with all the excitement of last nights Victory by the Colts, I completely forgot about 24 being on tonight.

Hey, you know what? The Colts are going to the Super Bowl. Wasn't sure if you had heard. ;)

[KAOSKTRL]

bump

[JimGP20]

I predicted that the thing that would bring Jack back was him witnessing whatever terrorist attack that was planned last week. According to the previews I've seen, I was correct. ;)

[KAOSKTRL]

soon

[Rhonda]

You've been absorbed by the cult. Welcome.

I am going out within the next 24 hours to buy season 3...I watched 2 seasons in 6 days:mrgreen:

[Rhonda]

24 is on tonight

The adreniline is running already

[KAOSKTRL]

Ghost rider looks good

[gb2004]

Jack to the rescue.

[KAOSKTRL]

Fayed is working for someone Who did he call?

[gb2004]

Fayed is working for someone Who did he call?

I thought he was killed in the blast.

[KAOSKTRL]

Hes with the nukes

[gb2004]

Jack's father?????

[KAOSKTRL]

everyone knew that was coming

[KAOSKTRL]

well maybe not everyone , They follow the show on the radio in the Am and has hollywood interviews

[gb2004]

WHAT?? No way. That little weenie couldn't be Jack's brother!!

[KAOSKTRL]

Again

[bbt630]

nice twist with the brother thing...I don't remember them dropping any hint of it last season.

[DaGooseMon]

That's the jackass from last season. I knew we never found out who he was. I can't believe it's Jack's freakin brother. That just sucks...

And apparently Jack and his now sister-in-law had a thing.... :eek:

[DaGooseMon]

Ok, I wish this would hurry up and end, NFL Network is replaying Super Bowl XIII Steelers vs Cowboys from Jan 1979...

[bbt630]

Heros is also on...hope my VCR is working.

[DaGooseMon]

Kick his ass Jack!

[DaGooseMon]

Did you notice the way Jack looked at that boy? The boy looks like Kim to me....


I bet that's Jack's boy.

[bbt630]

uhhhh......who is 'your father'????????

[gb2004]

Did you notice the way Jack looked at that boy? The boy looks like Kim to me....


I bet that's Jack's boy.

uh-huh.

[bbt630]

Kapow!!

[KAOSKTRL]

perfect

[DaGooseMon]

Nice right cross Jack!

[gb2004]

No time for small talk.

[DaGooseMon]

I knew it was coming and that's still a great line.

[bbt630]

Looks like the sensitive jack got nuked.

[DaGooseMon]

Looks like the sensitive jack got nuked.

Thank God...

[DaGooseMon]

The President shouldn't be asking, he should be telling.

Tell me this show isn't liberal...

[DaGooseMon]

OMG

Well, that's one way to leave us hanging...

[KAOSKTRL]

The President shouldn't be asking, he should be telling.

Tell me this show isn't liberal...
all libs all the time

[DaGooseMon]

Well, next week's epeisode should be good...

[bbt630]

Jacks other brother is Louis Skullnik?? NERRRRRRD!

[Rhonda]

uh-huh.

Too good looking to be Jacks brothers boy;)

[KAOSKTRL]

I would have though logan would have turned over all his co conspirators

[jeepers]

Skunk from last season his brother? They left us hanging a whole year on that one.

My question is, what set off Jack's radar about his brother in the first place?

Btw, my bet is that the President's sister's undercover guy gets dead in that yard.

[KAOSKTRL]

Skunk from last season his brother? They left us hanging a whole year on that one.

My question is, what set off Jack's radar about his brother in the first place?

Btw, my bet is that the President's sister's undercover guy gets dead in that yard.
That was the vib ,

[Rhonda]

Not gonna happen though

[jeepers]

Not gonna happen though


Ah, don't be so sure. One thing about this show is that they have no compunction with offing the one person that you think is critical to either the show or a particular plot. And oftentimes in an unexpected way.

[snagswolf]

Brother?! Now that is just weird.

So, was his brother trying to kill Jack all last season because Jack slept with his wife? Or does it go back further, to when Jack used to take candy from his Easter basket and laugh at him?

[snagswolf]

And it's a damn shame that Donald Sutherland isn't playing Jack's father.

Damn shame. :evil:

[jeepers]

Yeah, what about that?

[gb2004]

And it's a damn shame that Donald Sutherland isn't playing Jack's father.

Damn shame. :evil:

Yeah, that would have been better.

[bbt630]

And it's a damn shame that Donald Sutherland isn't playing Jack's father.

Damn shame. :evil:Donald was busy doing a film.

[snagswolf]

Donald was busy doing a film.
Then his priorities are out of whack!

BTW, is it possible this plot twist was inspired by Austin Powers/Dr. Evil?

[ImNewHere]

That rocked!

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, Jack is clearly the father of his nephew.

Just wait until we learn that David Palmer is Jacks brothers nephews cousins sisters niece.

Jesus.

Just bring back Meagan Gallagher and she's still married to Frank Black from "Millennium" Jack & Frank: the new Team in Town.

It's their gift. It's their curse.

What a long, strange trip this hour was.

[JazzyJH33]

Meh, wasn't feeling it tonight.

The blue-tooth villian from S5 being revealed to be Jack's brother is a little soap opera-ish, and arguably a jump the shark moment. But for me, it wasn't that bad; well, it was obviously outlandish, out of the blue and a bit of a reach, but par for the course in 24 land. So this alone doesn't really bother me, what bothers me is where the season is seemingly headed. Assad is headed to D.C. (see ya), my guess is Fayed will be history shortly (within the next 2-8 eps), and taking center stage will be Graham, his evil cabal, and the season 5 gang. Shoot me now.

Just kind of disappointing for me that, yet again, behind all the terrorists, are oil-greedy corrupt Americans in high places in corporations and government. And this goes beyond politics--it's just a ludicrous, rehashed plot line that will be so ridiculous, so stupid, and so unoriginal that it will ruin the season. And to top it all off they'll be bringing back the melodramatic idiots from season 5.

Let me guess: Graham and his "big oil" cabal are the people really behind the attacks, and have been pulling strings left and right to get the U.S. in a war with middle east countries so they could cash in on oil. Yeah, um, 24 writers? We've kinda seen this before. Um, twice actually, seasons 2 and 5. Maybe now is a good time to mix things up?

[Spiked101]

yeah I'm not feeling it either. I am not thrilled with the cast this season. The acting seems a bit weak. I am just not into the Bill relationship with whatsername, and I think Wayne Palmer is a lukewarm character at best in the prez role. I just am not feeling like it's a strong cast any longer.

I can do without the contrived soap operaish stuff to like having blue tooth man be jack's brother etc.

I dunno. I am starting to feel like maybe the show has jumped the shark. I'll still watch..but I just am not into it for some reason like I have been in the past.

Spike

[KAOSKTRL]

Meh, wasn't feeling it tonight.

The blue-tooth villian from S5 being revealed to be Jack's brother is a little soap opera-ish, and arguably a jump the shark moment. But for me, it wasn't that bad; well, it was obviously outlandish, out of the blue and a bit of a reach, but par for the course in 24 land. So this alone doesn't really bother me, what bothers me is where the season is seemingly headed. Assad is headed to D.C. (see ya), my guess is Fayed will be history shortly (within the next 2-8 eps), and taking center stage will be Graham, his evil cabal, and the season 5 gang. Shoot me now.

Just kind of disappointing for me that, yet again, behind all the terrorists, are oil-greedy corrupt Americans in high places in corporations and government. And this goes beyond politics--it's just a ludicrous, rehashed plot line that will be so ridiculous, so stupid, and so unoriginal that it will ruin the season. And to top it all off they'll be bringing back the melodramatic idiots from season 5.

Let me guess: Graham and his "big oil" cabal are the people really behind the attacks, and have been pulling strings left and right to get the U.S. in a war with middle east countries so they could cash in on oil. Yeah, um, 24 writers? We've kinda seen this before. Um, twice actually, seasons 2 and 5. Maybe now is a good time to mix things up?cant must project positive image of islam and negative image of government and business

[JimGP20]

Hmmmmmm.... :think: Ultra liberal James Cromwell as Jack's father.... I can't say that I like where this season is heading either.... but I'll still watch. :eek:

[doghouse]

So, how do I get one of those cell phones that work in a hardened underground bunker?

[CrusaderFrank]

So, how do I get one of those cell phones that work in a hardened underground bunker?

They borrowed them from the SciFi move where the scientists had to restart the earth core spinning again and they never lost radio contact with the surface either.

I'm going to send in "Operation: Smokeout" to 24 for next season. Big Humidor wants to bring down the Clinton Administration because they feel threatened by his radical cigar storage ideas.

[newyorkjetsfan]

What's the deal with Jack's family? His brother and father possibly involved with that Russian. Also, dd Jack had a thing with his sister-in-law before she married his brother?

[ImNewHere]

What's the deal with Jack's family? His brother and father possibly involved with that Russian. Also, dd Jack had a thing with his sister-in-law before she married his brother?

Yes. Majority opinion here is that is his son.

[Rhonda]

And it's a damn shame that Donald Sutherland isn't playing Jack's father.

Damn shame. :evil:


I too was hoping to see Donald Sutherland as dad

[Rhonda]

cant must project positive image of islam and negative image of government and business


Just hope that Jack keeps up with the breaking rules and by passing PC...otherwise I may have to leave the cult...been watching the first few seasons, I am currently on season 3...not getting any sleep for watching and trying to catch up to season 6