Father Executes 15-Year Old Son For Sexually Assaulting Sister!

[Paul-w]

I honestly don't know how to feel about this one until all of the details come out about the situation.

Source (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/father-kills-son-molesting-sister/story?id=9127703&page=2)


A 15-year-old boy who was killed by his father in an execution style killing spent the last moments of his life pleading, "No, Daddy! No!"

Jamar Pinkney Jr. was shot in the head Monday by his 37-year-old father,

Jamar Pinkney Sr., who allegedly made the teen strip his clothes off and kneel in a vacant lot before he was killed by a single bullet.

The boy's mother, Lazette Cherry, told the Detroit Free Press that Pinkney Sr., showed up at her Highland Park, Mich., home after she told him that their son had made a startling confession.

According to Cherry, the 15-year-old had admitted to having "inappropriate contact" with his 3-year-old half sister.

"I called and told his father this isn't something you sweep under the rug," Cherry, who was unable to be reached by ABCNews.com, told the paper.

Pinkney Sr. began by pistol whipping his son in the living room where the teen lived with his mother before taking him outside, despite Cherry's pleas to stop.

The father marched the naked boy into the lot and made him kneel down. As the boy pleaded for his life and his distraught mother looked on, Pinkney Sr. allegedly executed the boy with a shot in the head.

Pinkney Sr. was charged with first degree murder and if convicted, could spend the rest of his life in prison. The judge entered a "not guilty" plea on behalf of Pinkney. He is also charged with three counts of felonious assault and one count of felony firearm.

Video of the arraignment shows a relative of the child being taken out of the court room after screaming "No, no, no," when Pinkney Sr. was led into court.

His lawyer, Corbett O'Meara, called the incident a "devastating tragedy."

"My client is in shock and in mourning, but is hopeful that his family will be able to come out of this in as whole a state as possible," said O'Meara.

O'Meara said that Pinkney Sr., who turned himself into authorities, had no previous criminal history and had worked "for years" as a letter carrier for the United States Post Office.

"No individual has the right to exact the death penalty on another no matter how reprehensible the behavior," prosecutor Kym Worthy said in a statement. "That is why we have laws."

O'Meara told ABCNews.com that he hopes Worthy will "realize the case is far from straight forward" and requires something "other than the most aggressive" punishment.

And even though Pinkney Sr. had never been diagnosed with mental health problems, O'Meara said that if the allegations of the murder are true, "there must be issues with his mental health."

Meanwhile, the community where the child was raised is mourning the loss of a boy they say was known by friends as "teddy bear."

Volunteers at the high school where Pinkney Jr. was a sophomore said the teen was "always smiling," according to The Detroit News.

The principal at Martin Luther King Jr. High School, Deborah Jenkins, told the paper that Pinkney Jr. was "well-liked" and that the school community has been "shaken badly" by his death.

"He was articulate. He passed his courses with A's, B's and C's. Everyone knew him to be a nice, quiet boy," said Jenkins.

[Greyclouds]

I honestly don't know how to feel about this one until all of the details come out about the situation.

Source (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/father-kills-son-molesting-sister/story?id=9127703&page=2)

Agreed on reserved judgment...

I still don't think that it's premature to condemn vigilantism though.

[notluzn]

All I can say is that is all a tragedy. I'm stunned I have no opinion. :(

[BillBrown]

I don't know what to say.

If the boy was unrelated to him, I could understand.
I might do the same thing and be prepared to face the consequences.

I couldn't kill my son.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Completely unacceptable.

[JediMindTrick]

This is exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board. Every time there is a sex offender thread you get countless comments about killing them immediately, castrating them, and doing something really bad. How can anyone who has ever said such an thing (and this is some in this thread and many on this board) now not laud this guy as a hero?

[MrShotShot]

This is exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board. Every time there is a sex offender thread you get countless comments about killing them immediately, castrating them, and doing something really bad. How can anyone who has ever said such an thing (and this is some in this thread and many on this board) now not laud this guy as a hero?

Yes, we always call for parents to execute their children.

In fact, I've called for it on at least 6 occasions already today......:rolleyes:

[super cool ski instructor]

This is exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board. Every time there is a sex offender thread you get countless comments about killing them immediately, castrating them, and doing something really bad. How can anyone who has ever said such an thing (and this is some in this thread and many on this board) now not laud this guy as a hero?

Jedi...this is a stupid stupid post.

[JediMindTrick]

Yes, we always call for parents to execute their children.

In fact, I've called for it on at least 6 occasions already today......:rolleyes:

This 15 year old was a child rapist.

Here is a recent thread about a child rapist sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia and lots of conservatives applauding it.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=63452821#post63452821

So every conservative in that thread who applauded, at least one of them has already posted in this thread, should be thrilled that this father executed a child rapist.

[JediMindTrick]

Jedi...this is a stupid stupid post.

Whats stupid are people who make knee jerk reactions. I'm using this case to throw those knee jerk reactions back in their faces like in my last post where I pointed out how so many were applauding the execution ruling of a child rapist.

If you look at the many threads on child rapists you'll notice that I often talk about how the reality of child molesters is that they are usually related to the victim. I also mention sometimes that most offenders are kids themselves. Yet the knee jerkers never want to listen to that, they just go on with their calls for execution and castration without bothering to listen to reality.

Well reality just slapped them in the face with this case. A typical, YES TYPICAL, child molester just got the punishment they all have been calling for.

[JediMindTrick]

BTW, my opinion on this case is that Dad is scum and should spend the rest of his life in prison with a picture of the dead body of his son hanging just out of his reach.

[Rick Rhetoric]

Justicia poética?

[notluzn]

This is exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board. Every time there is a sex offender thread you get countless comments about killing them immediately, castrating them, and doing something really bad. How can anyone who has ever said such an thing (and this is some in this thread and many on this board) now not laud this guy as a hero?


Your comment is pure BS.

[pattyk]

yup, us hick hayseed conservatives always call for honor killings. they're so nice.

I can't believe this crazy guy would do that. very sad for everyone.

this kid needed counseling, not death.

what us cons hate is big fat old white guys kidnapping little kids then burying them alive.

[camarozz]

In principle I agree with the killing; but as a father of a son I can sympathize.

My breakdown is this; I believe anyone can do anything if placed in a situation. The first time requires swift and immediate action, but not always require death on the spot.

When I refer to sexual predators, it is just that, a habitual re-offending monster. They deserve death on the spot.

If I found my son had done such a heinous act, more than likely I would beat him senseless and/or take him to the police station myself. If he continued in the acts, then I would feel responsible to put him down.

[camarozz]

Your comment is pure BS.

He has missed the point...

[chip]

This is exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board. Every time there is a sex offender thread you get countless comments about killing them immediately, castrating them, and doing something really bad. How can anyone who has ever said such an thing (and this is some in this thread and many on this board) now not laud this guy as a hero?

:rolleyes:

[MrShotShot]

This 15 year old was a child rapist.

Here is a recent thread about a child rapist sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia and lots of conservatives applauding it.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=63452821#post63452821

So every conservative in that thread who applauded, at least one of them has already posted in this thread, should be thrilled that this father executed a child rapist.

Sorry, didn't have time to read your post. I'm too busy dancing my Dance of Paternal Murder because I'm so happy this happened.

I'll get to your post in a bit. I've got to hurry up call for the execution of more children.

Be back in sec - K?

[chip]

This 15 year old was a child rapist.

Here is a recent thread about a child rapist sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia and lots of conservatives applauding it.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=63452821#post63452821

So every conservative in that thread who applauded, at least one of them has already posted in this thread, should be thrilled that this father executed a child rapist.

A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling..............=/= Dude executing his son in a parking lot


Anyone with a brain can see that.

[chip]

Your comment is pure BS.

You new here?

[Ballygrl]

It's a tragedy all around, I don't condone the sexual assault and I can't condone killing the 15 year old.

[RKing]

No NO and NO!!!

[traditional_woman]

knowing that the boy begged for his life like that makes this all the more sad. How do you kill your own kid? .

[blackcatrun]

knowing that the boy begged for his life like that makes this all the more sad. How do you kill your own kid? .

How?

Maybe some need to pay attention to the children murdered by molesters or the countless kidnappings and pervert raids.

Maybe the father seen his son as a peditor of the young and knew it was a life of misery for some children if this kid lived? I dont know.


I do know it may have been one very sick action i cant really understand fully.Maybe try to just place a percpective on to make it relevent for reality....that father may have saved a few young lives a long misery at the hands of his son.

[RKing]

How?

Maybe some need to pay attention to the children murdered by molesters or the countless kidnappings and pervert raids.

Maybe the father seen his son as a peditor of the young and knew it was a life of misery for some children if this kid lived? I dont know.


I do know it may have been one very sick action i cant really understand fully.Maybe try to just place a percpective on to make it relevent for reality....that father may have saved a few young lives a long misery at the hands of his son.
I just see him as a murderer.

[sircharliebrown]

How anyone can condone or think what this "father" did was good is beyond me.

[gdoane]

I could see it being a "crime of passion" if a father found out his preschool daughter were raped. I mean, who'd blame the guy for snapping?

The problem is the guy didn't act like he snapped, he acted with malice and aforethought which takes it from the realm of a crime of passion to a deliberate act of first degree murder.

As for the question of justice being done and conservatives being happy about that, the problem there is nothing even bearing a remote resemblence of justice was done. No rule of law was followed, no due process took place, and what happened here was a case of vigilantism plain and simple.

[sircharliebrown]

I could see it being a "crime of passion" if a father found out his preschool daughter were raped. I mean, who'd blame the guy for snapping?

The problem is the guy didn't act like he snapped, he acted with malice and aforethought which takes it from the realm of a crime of passion to a deliberate act of first degree murder.

As for the question of justice being done and conservatives being happy about that, the problem there is nothing even bearing a remote resemblence of justice was done. No rule of law was followed, no due process took place, and what happened here was a case of vigilantism plain and simple.

:clap:

[blackcatrun]

I just see him as a murderer.

Without doubt. The law would not have done much to punish the boy murdered had the father took him to police. By adulthood anouther preditor would have honed it's skills for futher actions against children.
I cant see the murder part at all..a good beating I can. Murder is well beyond scope.

It just seems a bit too rational in result not to remark on why the act took place by a father who took aim and killed his kid in cold blood.

Something has to be there beyond this one action to result in this excution.

[traditional_woman]

Yea, I could understand beating him, and then realizing, 'I need to stop before I kill him''. He had the boy strip naked, and walk outside, he had more than enough time to come to his senses...especially after pistol whipping him.This man has proven he is capable of cold blooded murder. These ppl shouldn't be walking the streets!! I hate to jump to conclusions, but I don't think the mom did all she could do to stop him. I would not have let him get that far in the first place. Did she call 911 when this was happening, if not, why?

Nobody knows the severity of the ''molestation'', but at least he confessed to it, and was crying out for help. He was probably molested himself. All his peers and teachers said he was a good kid, so he could have just gotten some help. I don't think adults can be rehabilitated, but i think there is more hope for kids, especially if they admit to it, and get help early.

[ChaosControl]

Ugh, disgusting. Not sure what to think one way or another.

[RKing]

Yea, I could understand beating him, and then realizing, 'I need to stop before I kill him''. He had the boy strip naked, and walk outside, he had more than enough time to come to his senses...especially after pistol whipping him.This man has proven he is capable of cold blooded murder. These ppl shouldn't be walking the streets!! I hate to jump to conclusions, but I don't think the mom did all she could do to stop him. I would not have let him get that far in the first place. Did she call 911 when this was happening, if not, why?

Nobody knows the severity of the ''molestation'', but at least he confessed to it, and was crying out for help. He was probably molested himself. All his peers and teachers said he was a good kid, so he could have just gotten some help. I don't think adults can be rehabilitated, but i think there is more hope for kids, especially if they admit to it, and get help early.
The fact that the boy confessed to the innappropriate touching does make you wonder if it was due to feelings of guilt? A bad situation all around. However I would have no problem convicting the Dad of first degree murder.

[traditional_woman]

Here is a video link which shows a pic of him and his half sister (not even related to the dad). The aunt says she believes there was some sort of communication mix up.

http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr./articles/X_RkT30SOi2/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr+Accused+Killing+Teenage+Son

[Creefer]

One word: Detroit.

[notluzn]

The thing that missing was the fact that the teen had no trial or jury. The dad is an animal. So many wrongs in the situation.

[Residential Bob]

The thing that missing was the fact that the teen had no trial or jury. The dad is an animal. So many wrongs in the situation.The dad went postal, literally. But, as others have alluded to, we don't know the boy's history.

Conclusions would be premature now.

[Samm]

I could see it being a "crime of passion" if a father found out his preschool daughter were raped. I mean, who'd blame the guy for snapping?

The problem is the guy didn't act like he snapped, he acted with malice and aforethought which takes it from the realm of a crime of passion to a deliberate act of first degree murder.

As for the question of justice being done and conservatives being happy about that, the problem there is nothing even bearing a remote resemblence of justice was done. No rule of law was followed, no due process took place, and what happened here was a case of vigilantism plain and simple.

Yes, except for two small details. The molested child was not his daughter... she was the daughter of his ex-wife and new husuband... and she was not raped.

[Samm]

Ugh, disgusting. Not sure what to think one way or another.

We all laughed whenever Bill Cosby said (when speaking to his children) in his comedy skits: "I brought you into this world... I can take you out!"


We are not laughing now...

[JediMindTrick]

Your comment is pure BS.

Really? So you never call for executions of people, even children, who commit bad crimes?

What exactly did you mean then when you said this earlier today:

I would throw that girl off the Grand Canyon http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=64282281&postcount=28

That girl is 15, the boy in this case is 15. That girl committed a worse crime than this boy did but either way your calling for the execution of a child. You can deflect with the whole "judge and jury" bit but the fact is your still calling for a child to be executed.

Thank you for proving my point so easily.

[Panhead0422]

This 15 year old was a child rapist.

Here is a recent thread about a child rapist sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia and lots of conservatives applauding it.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=63452821#post63452821

So every conservative in that thread who applauded, at least one of them has already posted in this thread, should be thrilled that this father executed a child rapist.

While the pedophile needed executed, a parent doing so is unexpected and I must admit, beyond the pale of executioners.

[Remus Lupin]

Good riddence to bad rubbish.
Another child rapist taken down. I say props for the dad.

[JediMindTrick]

Good riddence to bad rubbish.
Another child rapist taken down. I say props for the dad.

I knew I could count on a few cons to speak their true opinions.

[Dancer]

This 15 year old was a child rapist. WOW...talk about putting more in there than is said!

Here is a recent thread about a child rapist sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia and lots of conservatives applauding it.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=63452821#post63452821

So every conservative in that thread who applauded, at least one of them has already posted in this thread, should be thrilled that this father executed a child rapist.:snooty: Inappropriate touching is not rape. If someone grabbed my breast, it would not be the same as raping me.

[Remus Lupin]

I knew I could count on a few cons to speak their true opinions.

Where have I call myself a "conservative", bub?

I have NO LOVE for child molestors. Trust me, the only good child molestor is a DEAD child molestor.

[Remus Lupin]

WOW...talk about putting more in there than is said!

:snooty: Inappropriate touching is not rape. If someone grabbed my breast, it would not be the same as raping me.

Still counts as a lewd act on a child.
I'd say props for the dad taking out the ****bag even if it was his own son.

[Gabby]

While the pedophile needed executed, a parent doing so is unexpected and I must admit, beyond the pale of executioners.

All we know is that the boy confessed to 'touching' the child. We have no idea what that means... do you know what he did? you could not because the article only gives a very unclear comment on it.

Yet you are ready to say he needed to be executed without knowing what he actually did or did not do?

[Gabby]

The fact that the boy confessed to the innappropriate touching does make you wonder if it was due to feelings of guilt? A bad situation all around. However I would have no problem convicting the Dad of first degree murder.

IMO, the fact that the boy confessed says a lot about him. He did something that he did not understand and felt guilty about. When a person confesses they are also seeking help.

The father did something horrible and deserves to spend his life in jail. There is something very strange about the father stripping down his son to beat him and then execute them. I wonder what other strange things this man did to his son in his 15 years?

[mobiusptc]

IMO, the fact that the boy confessed says a lot about him. He did something that he did not understand and felt guilty about. When a person confesses they are also seeking help.

The father did something horrible and deserves to spend his life in jail. There is something very strange about the father stripping down his son to beat him and then execute them. I wonder what other strange things this man did to his son in his 15 years?

i agree. it would be different if he had been caught or something but ....he knew he did something wrong and that to me seems that he was not beyond help.

[Gabby]

i agree. it would be different if he had been caught or something but ....he knew he did something wrong and that to me seems that he was not beyond help.

I know two boys who at 14 got in trouble for something similar.

One 'touched' a 5 year old friend. She told her parents. The police were called. He was put on probation and had to get help. I think it was about 4 years that he had intervention on probation. He never had any futher problem of any kind.

The other was forcing his sister, 1 year younger, to 'explore' sexually... touching and oral. It turns out that the boy had been sexually molested from the age of 3 by a close relative (a woman). So he thought that this was normal behavior. He got 4 years in rehab for juvi sexual offenders.

In both cases the girls told and the boys admitted and pled guilty.

today they are both 22. One is in college doing very well. The other is in the millitary also doing well. I know both of the kids socially. I know their friends and their girlfriends. It seems that both have learned what they needed to.

Since the kid in this article confessed to his mom, I think that there was a strong chance that he could have been helped.

[mobiusptc]

I know two boys who at 14 got in trouble for something similar.

One 'touched' a 5 year old friend. She told her parents. The police were called. He was put on probation and had to get help. I think it was about 4 years that he had intervention on probation. Today he's 22, in college, doing great. He never had any futher problem of any kind.

The other was forcing his sister, 1 year younger, to 'explore' sexually... touching and oral. It turns out that the boy had been sexually molested from the age of 3 by a close relative (a woman). So he thought that this was normal behavior. He got 4 years in and rehab for juvi sexual offenders.

In both cases the girls told and the boys admitted and pled guilty.

today they are both 22. One is in college doing very well. The other is in the millitary also doing well. I know both of the kids socially. I know their friends and their girlfriends. It seems that both have learned what they needed to.

Since the kids in this article confessed to his mom, I think that there was a strong chance that he could have been helped.

wow talk about examples to prove the point.

[ScottFree]

I am not struggling with this at all. It was entirely wrong what this boy did to his 3 year old half sister. Apparent also to me is that his voluntary confession means he knew it was wrong, and was asking for help. He was probably the most treatable at that moment that any sex offender could be in their lifetime. Yet, instead of looking at what happened in that light, the father instead chose to circumvent the legal system, and appointed himself judge, jury and executioner. He was also entirely wrong. The punishment did not fit the crime. The father should have the book thrown at him.

[F9thRet]

Better the father taking the scum bag kid off the street, then the state releasing the scum bag in three years.

Stephen

[Agnapostate]

Was the little girl even his daughter? It's stated that she was the son's half-sister, and implied that they were both living with the mother, wasn't it?

[BillyTheKid]

I keep seeing the word "rape" over and over in the replies to the OP. I saw NOTHING about rape in the OP. The term used was "inappropriate behavior". That does not automatically translate into rape. Just like "sex crime" and "sexual predator" does not automatically translate into "child molester" or "child rapist". (Former President "Slick Willie" Clinton is a "sexual predator")

No, I do not condone the action of the teen (if indeed he was inappropriate with his half sister) nor do I condone the knee-jerk reaction of the father. If the teen was in the wrong we have our "wonderful" :rolleyes: court system for that. The father was dead wrong for taking the law into his own hands and being judge, jury, and executioner. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

No I am not a liberal, nor am I a conservative. I am an intellectual realist.

[gdoane]

Was the little girl even his daughter?

The simple answer is "no". She was not a direct relative of his, but was a direct relative of his son, a half-sister. Technically, he could father a child with this girl and it wouldn't be incest.

However, he still had a relationship with his ex-wife and probably considered the girl a step-daughter, which is still a valid family relationship.

It's stated that she was the son's half-sister, and implied that they were both living with the mother, wasn't it?

The mother, as I understand it, had children by two different men but the children themselves were related through the mother, which makes it an act of incest, a forbidden act by every major religion and by every civilized nation's laws.

[Agnapostate]

The mother, as I understand it, had children by two different men but the children themselves were related through the mother, which makes it an act of incest, a forbidden act by every major religion and by every civilized nation's laws.

Yeah, I got that through the explicit statement that she was his half-sister in the article. ;)

[Hadassah]

There was a 15 year old boy in my town who was just sentenced to 13 years to life in prision for beating the **** out of his girlfriend's daughter, leading to her death. He beat her multiple times, over months. The last beating was so bad she died. What he did to her was so bad that even the police were walking out of the house and throwing up. I wanted to get my hands on that boy for 30 minutes and beat the **** out of him. Could I have actually have done it? No, but my emotions were screaming out for him to suffer like he made that beautiful baby suffer.



What this boy did was so much different than the boy in my town. His confession was a cry for help. He could have been helped. He didn't deserve to die like that. IF he really did do something wrong to his sister, I could understand the dad beating him. But murdering him? No way. He needed help and it was his father's job to see that he got it.



I can't help but wonder what dad was reacting to. Did he have a sibling who was molested? A daughter who was molested?

[outfromunder]

The whole situation is a sad state of affairs.

There is nothing that my own son could do that would stop me from loving him. If he did something similar, I myself would drag him down to the police station for his confession and incarceration. But I wouldnt love him any less.

This boy's father did a horrific act that was no better than what his son did.

[DLaw911]

Jedi...this is a stupid stupid post.No, what he said was absolutely correct.

[DLaw911]

I knew I could count on a few cons to speak their true opinions.Certainly proves your point.

[nortman]

yup, us hick hayseed conservatives always call for honor killings. they're so nice.

I can't believe this crazy guy would do that. very sad for everyone.

this kid needed counseling, not death.

what us cons hate is big fat old white guys kidnapping little kids then burying them alive.

Don't waste your breath, Patty. It's just another "conservatives suck" post.

[nortman]

I could see it being a "crime of passion" if a father found out his preschool daughter were raped. I mean, who'd blame the guy for snapping?

The problem is the guy didn't act like he snapped, he acted with malice and aforethought which takes it from the realm of a crime of passion to a deliberate act of first degree murder.

As for the question of justice being done and conservatives being happy about that, the problem there is nothing even bearing a remote resemblence of justice was done. No rule of law was followed, no due process took place, and what happened here was a case of vigilantism plain and simple.
Well said, Gene.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

First....To kill one's own child takes a certain mentality that is not considered normal or healthy. This Father had a screw loose long before the incident with his son.

There are far to many open 'ifs' in this story to make a judgment to whether this 15 year old boy molested his half sister or merely touched her in a way that was inappropriate. Peeing in bushes at 3am that is 50 feet from a school will and can render you a sexual predator with demands for listing as such for the rest of your life. 18 year old boys become rapists when daddy's find out there 17 year old daughter is having sex with said 18 year old. Our standard on who is actually a predator and who is not is obviously skewed. Stupid..but true.

In this case, there isn't enough information to determine if the boy in fact actually raped his sister; defining him in what I would consider an actual child molester or not. In any case...the father took it way to far and became a vigilante by killing his son instead of offering him up to the authorities. What the boy may or may not have done is far eclipsed by the actions of the father in reaction to the event.

~Mysty

[JediMindTrick]

Certainly proves your point.

Yep. Its easy for so many of them to speak about outlandish punishments when they know there is no realistic chance of those things ever happening. But now that what they've been calling for has happened they are suddenly faced with the fact that maybe its not such a great thing at all and many of them are squeamishly backpedaling from it. A few in this thread are still applauding and while I'm repulsed by that I can at least respect their consistency on the issue. Those who thinks it makes a difference because a parent killed his own child are the worst of the bunch because many of them have expressed sentiment that they have no problem killing someone else's child.

I'm personally horrified att what this father did but I at least have the right to be horrified since I have always been against the death penalty and I've always been realistic about sex offenses. I've got no love for molesters, good riddance Michael Jackson, but at the same time I think I approach the issue realistically.

[gdoane]

Yep. Its easy for so many of them to speak about outlandish punishments when they know there is no realistic chance of those things ever happening.

Death is not an outlandish punishment. It is neither cruel nor is it unusual. Of the some 330 Million Americans alive today, it can be safely assumed that every one of them will be dead someday. The human mortality rate is about 100% as I'm unaware of anybody who lived forever.

But now that what they've been calling for has happened they are suddenly faced with the fact that maybe its not such a great thing at all and many of them are squeamishly backpedaling from it.

The problem with your logic is that you are assuming conservatives would mistake this as a punishment reached Constitutionally and obeying the rule of law to the letter. It was not a punishment according to Constitutional provisions.

It was a vigilante act and a lawless act of violence. It bore no relation to the Death Penalty.

I'm an avid Death Penalty supporter, I think it's a great solution and it's ridiculous that it isn't used about a thousand times more often, but I'd never condone marching the condemned out buck naked to a parking lot and shooting him in the head without even so much as a last meal and a chance to say his final words.

Actually, I like the idea of the condemned wearing a hood so as to protect the witnesses from seeing the creep make faces as he croaks.

A few in this thread are still applauding and while I'm repulsed by that I can at least respect their consistency on the issue. Those who thinks it makes a difference because a parent killed his own child are the worst of the bunch because many of them have expressed sentiment that they have no problem killing someone else's child.

The death penalty isn't killing, it's just euthanization. The creep is going to die in jail either today or fifty years from now and go to his eternity so it really doesn't make much of a difference.

I'm personally horrified but what this father did but I at least have the right to be horrified since I have always been against the death penalty and I've always been realistic about sex offenses. I've got no love for molesters, good riddance Michael Jackson, but at the same time I think I approach the issue realistically.

No, I don't think you do. The problem I have with your course of argument is that you're calling an act of vigilantism a punishment, you're calling a total absence of the rule of law a punishment and you're insisting that conservatives support vigilantism as a result.

Do you know what the difference is between vigilantism and terrorism? It's not much.

Terrorism is lawless behavior to further the objectives of a group of people.
Vigilantism is lawless behavior to further the objectives of oneself.

My mantra is one I've often repeated on these forums.

"Intent Matters, And It Matters A Lot."

With this as my guide, I do declare that vigilantes are actually worse than terrorists and I wouldn't support what this guy did in a billion years. I'd support Al-Qaeda first as being the lesser evil.

[Samm]

I am not struggling with this at all. It was entirely wrong what this boy did to his 3 year old half sister. Apparent also to me is that his voluntary confession means he knew it was wrong, and was asking for help. He was probably the most treatable at that moment that any sex offender could be in their lifetime. Yet, instead of looking at what happened in that light, the father instead chose to circumvent the legal system, and appointed himself judge, jury and executioner. He was also entirely wrong. The punishment did not fit the crime. The father should have the book thrown at him.

So... what exactly did this boy do to his 3 year old half sister? :eh:

[Samm]

Well said, Gene.

Yes... except that he is factually wrong with regard to this case.

[gdoane]

So... what exactly did this boy do to his 3 year old half sister? :eh:

I don't think I'd want the details even if they were available. That's beyond disgusting and entering the realm of the mentally disturbing.

I'd call it rape. The girl has no idea what's going on, no ability to consent even if she did, so at bare minimum it's statutory rape.

[Agnapostate]

Instituting the death penalty for rape is inherently illogical anyway. As with the institution of the death penalty for single murders, it provides a perverse incentive for the rapist to kill his victim and violently resist attempts at police capture, because no greater punishment can be inflicted.

[angelicmadrigal]

Yes, we always call for parents to execute their children.



The point he's making is that a sex offender is a sex offender whether it's your kid or not.

[ScottFree]

So... what exactly did this boy do to his 3 year old half sister? :eh:


Exactly what is not known, and may never be known. What ever it was, it was wrong. The boy needed help. However, he did not deserve to be murdered by his own father.
That is the bottom line.

[JediMindTrick]

The point he's making is that a sex offender is a sex offender whether it's your kid or not.

A sizeable percentage, perhaps even a majority, of sex offenders are children. Not the registered ones but the actual sex offenders. When a kid gets molested its sadly too common for them to repeat what was done to them on other children. Its often called "acting out" yet its still molestation to the new victim. More often than not these things are treated via counseling rather than the legal system, especially if the offender is younger. But once again it doesn't change the victimization that the new victim feels. Does that victim care if its a 45 year old man or a 10 year old boy molesting him / her or does the victim just care that they got molested? I point this kind of thing out frequently in sex offender threads yet you still get the same old calls for them to be executed. When many people think sex offender they think of John Couey or Joseph Duncan.

I'd be willing to bet that the 15 year old in this case was molested himself at some point. It doesn't excuse what he did but it does mitigate it and make you really wonder if he could have been rehabilitated / counseled. Some sex offenders most certainly cannot be cured but I think some, especially when they are children who are just repeating what was done to them, can.

[angelicmadrigal]

Some sex offenders most certainly cannot be cured but I think some, especially when they are children who are just repeating what was done to them, can.

If this was say a 6 or 7 year old I might be more swayed by that arguement, but a 15 year old KNOWS that is WRONG. Unless they are raised out in the middle of no where with no link to normal culture at that age they KNOW it's wrong.

[Remus Lupin]

A sizeable percentage, perhaps even a majority, of sex offenders are children. Not the registered ones but the actual sex offenders. When a kid gets molested its sadly too common for them to repeat what was done to them on other children. Its often called "acting out" yet its still molestation to the new victim. More often than not these things are treated via counseling rather than the legal system, especially if the offender is younger. But once again it doesn't change the victimization that the new victim feels. Does that victim care if its a 45 year old man or a 10 year old boy molesting him / her or does the victim just care that they got molested? I point this kind of thing out frequently in sex offender threads yet you still get the same old calls for them to be executed. When many people think sex offender they think of John Couey or Joseph Duncan.

I'd be willing to bet that the 15 year old in this case was molested himself at some point. It doesn't excuse what he did but it does mitigate it and make you really wonder if he could have been rehabilitated / counseled. Some sex offenders most certainly cannot be cured but I think some, especially when they are children who are just repeating what was done to them, can.


You might have a point there.

[Samm]

I don't think I'd want the details even if they were available. That's beyond disgusting and entering the realm of the mentally disturbing.

I'd call it rape. The girl has no idea what's going on, no ability to consent even if she did, so at bare minimum it's statutory rape.

It is a giant stretch between "inappropriate touching" and "rape." If you contort the definition of rape to fit this case, you would have to do it for all cases.

[Samm]

Exactly what is not known, and may never be known. What ever it was, it was wrong. The boy needed help. However, he did not deserve to be murdered by his own father.
That is the bottom line.

Exactly what is not known... and whatever it was, it may have been wrong. It apparently was "wrong" in the view of his mother, but for all you (we) know, he may have merely patted her bare be-hind.

[Samm]

Instituting the death penalty for rape is inherently illogical anyway. As with the institution of the death penalty for single murders, it provides a perverse incentive for the rapist to kill his victim and violently resist attempts at police capture, because no greater punishment can be inflicted.

You are correct... it is easier to get away with murder than it is rape... no witness.

[Gabby]

I'd be willing to bet that the 15 year old in this case was molested himself at some point. It doesn't excuse what he did but it does mitigate it and make you really wonder if he could have been rehabilitated / counseled. Some sex offenders most certainly cannot be cured but I think some, especially when they are children who are just repeating what was done to them, can.

I also think this kid was probably molested himself. Look at what his father did to him. He did not just kill the kid. He made the kid strip down, beat him while naked and than took him outside and shot him in the head.

The father making the boy strip is very disturbing. There's an huge element of sexual humiliation in that. I doubt this is the first time this father did inappropriate things to this boy.

A kid who has been molested will often do inapproriate things in acting out their emotions about what happened to them. You pointed this out too. Counseling often helps and sets the kid streight. I did volunteer work with children who were molested for a long time. The organizations I worked with believed that if they could get a kid before he/she turned 18 and work with them, they could save about 98% of them because befor 18 a person's sexual patterns are not set. After 18 the cure rate drops to about 0.

As a society we are better off working with kids to try to turn them around than to throw them in a prison for life.

[TheAnimal]

I've been reading this Thread from start to finish. Instead of just jumping in here and posting what I felt about it, I did a little surfing to dig up a little more information. Here's what I found.

This is a short excerpt from the blog page that I came across"

"Cherry said the 3-year-old's mother took the girl to a hospital to be examined Sunday. But she said her son claimed he didn't rape the little girl and kept his clothes on.
The exam showed no physical evidence of sexual trauma, Cherry said. Still, she added, he knew he was wrong."He told because he knew it wasn't right," she said."

Here's the link to the complete blog page:

http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr./articles/JosOrKjiRGr/Another+American+tragedy

If this is a correct and truthful blog post, then the boy DIDN'T rape his half-sister and there was no physical evidence of sexual trauma. This leads to me to thinking that he just touched her in an inappropriate way (copped a feel, if you will). This doesn't call for his execution, but some intervention would be HIGHLY recommended.

My take on the fathers actions? I have a REAL hard time looking at his actions being, what we would call, NORMAL. Giving the boy some real hard cracks on the bottom and taking him to the police station may be considered a normal response. To me, this was cold, callus murder, plain and simple...

Having the boy strip naked, pistol whipping him, marching him outside (still naked) to the vacant lot and executing him. That ain't normal in anyones version of normal. All 4 of these actions are disturbing and I think when this goes to trial, we may find out a lot about this father that just isn't right. I think, maybe, alot of points about the father's past may come to light.

[gdoane]

Instituting the death penalty for rape is inherently illogical anyway. As with the institution of the death penalty for single murders, it provides a perverse incentive for the rapist to kill his victim and violently resist attempts at police capture, because no greater punishment can be inflicted.

It doesn't do any such thing because criminals do not believe they will be caught and so care nothing about the penalty. That's why there's no deterrent effect for the death penalty or any other penalty. The criminal operates under the assumption that only dumb crooks get caught.

It's similar to the druggie who gets hooked on meth, he never thought it would happen to him and his superior brainpower would keep him out of the cycle of addiction. That's why addiction has no deterrent effect on drug use.

The death penalty isn't a punishment at all. Everybody on Earth is going to wind up dead someday. The death penalty serves to keep the public safe from dangerous people like killers and rapists. So long as they're alive, they present a clear and present danger because prisoners escape all the time. Prisons do not keep the public safe but the death penalty does.

[gdoane]

It is a giant stretch between "inappropriate touching" and "rape." If you contort the definition of rape to fit this case, you would have to do it for all cases.

It already is defined as rape in this case. Here's what the law would be involving Statutory Rape with a minor under the age of 12 in Arizona.

Arizona, like most States, have Statutory rape laws for minors under the age of 18 but a whole different provision kicks in when the victim is under the age of 12 that includes penalties as harsh as life in prison without possibility of parole.

There are degrees of Statutory Rape that involve ages of 18, 15 and 12, with the penalties for engaging in sexual conduct with a minor under the age of 12 being the most severe.

The definition of Statutory Rape fits this case, and further penalties would come into play if the perpetrator is in a position of authority over the victim, say a parent, teacher, or babysitter.

[chip]

No, what he said was absolutely correct.

No it isnt.

This isnt "exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board."

Painting such a large group of people with such a broad brush because of a few people is no different than those who paint gays as pedophiles because of a few.

Unless of course you somehow now support that view?

[Ex_Spy_Guy]

dude snapped.....hope he gets off....

[JediMindTrick]

No it isnt.

This isnt "exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board."

Painting such a large group of people with such a broad brush because of a few people is no different than those who paint gays as pedophiles because of a few.

Unless of course you somehow now support that view?

Go to any thread about child molesters and you'll find conservatives calling for the death penalty on child molesters. Go to any death penalty thread and you'll find conservatives calling for swift executions. The dad in this case provided both the execution and did it swiftly and a few cons in this thread have applauded him for it. Nowhere did I say that ALL cons call for it, just that its commonplace on this board.

[Poptart]

Obviously the "dad" should be locked away for life for committing murder.

[mobiusptc]

I've been reading this Thread from start to finish. Instead of just jumping in here and posting what I felt about it, I did a little surfing to dig up a little more information. Here's what I found.

This is a short excerpt from the blog page that I came across"

"Cherry said the 3-year-old's mother took the girl to a hospital to be examined Sunday. But she said her son claimed he didn't rape the little girl and kept his clothes on.
The exam showed no physical evidence of sexual trauma, Cherry said. Still, she added, he knew he was wrong."He told because he knew it wasn't right," she said."

Here's the link to the complete blog page:

http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr./articles/JosOrKjiRGr/Another+American+tragedy

If this is a correct and truthful blog post, then the boy DIDN'T rape his half-sister and there was no physical evidence of sexual trauma. This leads to me to thinking that he just touched her in an inappropriate way (copped a feel, if you will). This doesn't call for his execution, but some intervention would be HIGHLY recommended.

My take on the fathers actions? I have a REAL hard time looking at his actions being, what we would call, NORMAL. Giving the boy some real hard cracks on the bottom and taking him to the police station may be considered a normal response. To me, this was cold, callus murder, plain and simple...

Having the boy strip naked, pistol whipping him, marching him outside (still naked) to the vacant lot and executing him. That ain't normal in anyones version of normal. All 4 of these actions are disturbing and I think when this goes to trial, we may find out a lot about this father that just isn't right. I think, maybe, alot of points about the father's past may come to light.

so the kid didnt tell teh father, he told the mother who then told the father who came over with a gun.....and there is no evidence of sexual abuse. i am begining to feel more and more sorry for the kid. he was definitely far from hopeless if that was teh case and i am even more disturbed at the action of the father.

[BillyTheKid]

I've been reading this Thread from start to finish. Instead of just jumping in here and posting what I felt about it, I did a little surfing to dig up a little more information. Here's what I found.

This is a short excerpt from the blog page that I came across"

"Cherry said the 3-year-old's mother took the girl to a hospital to be examined Sunday. But she said her son claimed he didn't rape the little girl and kept his clothes on.
The exam showed no physical evidence of sexual trauma, Cherry said. Still, she added, he knew he was wrong."He told because he knew it wasn't right," she said."

Here's the link to the complete blog page:

http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr./articles/JosOrKjiRGr/Another+American+tragedy

If this is a correct and truthful blog post, then the boy DIDN'T rape his half-sister and there was no physical evidence of sexual trauma. This leads to me to thinking that he just touched her in an inappropriate way (copped a feel, if you will). This doesn't call for his execution, but some intervention would be HIGHLY recommended.

My take on the fathers actions? I have a REAL hard time looking at his actions being, what we would call, NORMAL. Giving the boy some real hard cracks on the bottom and taking him to the police station may be considered a normal response. To me, this was cold, callus murder, plain and simple...

Having the boy strip naked, pistol whipping him, marching him outside (still naked) to the vacant lot and executing him. That ain't normal in anyones version of normal. All 4 of these actions are disturbing and I think when this goes to trial, we may find out a lot about this father that just isn't right. I think, maybe, alot of points about the father's past may come to light.

With this information and the over-reaction (IMO) of the father, it kind of makes me wonder if the father had been "inappropriate" with his son at an earlier time and also "inappropriate" with the little girl and snapped when his son trespassed on his "turf".

This may be out in left field, but it does bear thinking about.

[Samm]

It already is defined as rape in this case. Here's what the law would be involving Statutory Rape with a minor under the age of 12 in Arizona.

Arizona, like most States, have Statutory rape laws for minors under the age of 18 but a whole different provision kicks in when the victim is under the age of 12 that includes penalties as harsh as life in prison without possibility of parole.

There are degrees of Statutory Rape that involve ages of 18, 15 and 12, with the penalties for engaging in sexual conduct with a minor under the age of 12 being the most severe.

The definition of Statutory Rape fits this case, and further penalties would come into play if the perpetrator is in a position of authority over the victim, say a parent, teacher, or babysitter.

I am not going to contest you, but I find it very hard to believe that any State considers "inappropriate touch" by a minor of a minor as "statutory rape."

[Gabby]

With this information and the over-reaction (IMO) of the father, it kind of makes me wonder if the father had been "inappropriate" with his son at an earlier time and also "inappropriate" with the little girl and snapped when his son trespassed on his "turf".

This may be out in left field, but it does bear thinking about.

Hey, Billy, could you please stop using such a small font? IT's very had to read. Just least the font size to the default.

[Gabby]

With this information and the over-reaction (IMO) of the father, it kind of makes me wonder if the father had been "inappropriate" with his son at an earlier time and also "inappropriate" with the little girl and snapped when his son trespassed on his "turf".

This may be out in left field, but it does bear thinking about.

I don't think such thoughts are out in left field at all. There is a very high probability that the father was abusive to his son in the past... probably physically and sexually.

[blackcatrun]

I don't think such thoughts are out in left field at all. There is a very high probability that the father was abusive to his son in the past... probably physically and sexually.

It could very well be the case.

[blackcatrun]

Go to any thread about child molesters and you'll find conservatives calling for the death penalty on child molesters. Go to any death penalty thread and you'll find conservatives calling for swift executions. The dad in this case provided both the execution and did it swiftly and a few cons in this thread have applauded him for it. Nowhere did I say that ALL cons call for it, just that its commonplace on this board.

Life is not one size fits all.

Different responces for different crimes.

This is nothing short of a excuse to attack conservatives in vieled insult.

[chip]

Go to any thread about child molesters and you'll find conservatives calling for the death penalty on child molesters. Go to any death penalty thread and you'll find conservatives calling for swift executions. The dad in this case provided both the execution and did it swiftly and a few cons in this thread have applauded him for it. Nowhere did I say that ALL cons call for it, just that its commonplace on this board.

Again since you either missed it, dont understand it or ignored it...

Calling for the death penalty or swift executions of child molesters =/= execution by vigilante in parking lot.

Its not commonplace on this board, thats wishful thinking on your part.

[JediMindTrick]

Again since you either missed it, dont understand it or ignored it...

Calling for the death penalty or swift executions of child molesters =/= execution by vigilante in parking lot.

Its not commonplace on this board, thats wishful thinking on your part.

Since you apparently missed it, read this thread. There are people in this thread applauding what the dad did.

[TheAnimal]

Since you apparently missed it, read this thread. There are people in this thread applauding what the dad did.

I don't see anywhere in this thread where people are applauding what the Father has done. Apparently, you haven't read the post that I made earlier. If you haven't, I'll cut and paste it here for you to view.

There are many questions about this that we may never have answered. There are many answers that we may NOT want to know.

Now, the Original Post...

"Originally Posted by TheAnimal

I've been reading this Thread from start to finish. Instead of just jumping in here and posting what I felt about it, I did a little surfing to dig up a little more information. Here's what I found.

This is a short excerpt from the blog page that I came across

"Cherry said the 3-year-old's mother took the girl to a hospital to be examined Sunday. But she said her son claimed he didn't rape the little girl and kept his clothes on.
The exam showed no physical evidence of sexual trauma, Cherry said. Still, she added, he knew he was wrong."He told because he knew it wasn't right," she said."

Here's the link to the complete blog page:

http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+...erican+tragedy (http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr./articles/JosOrKjiRGr/Another+American+tragedy)

If this is a correct and truthful blog post, then the boy DIDN'T rape his half-sister and there was no physical evidence of sexual trauma. This leads to me to thinking that he just touched her in an inappropriate way (copped a feel, if you will). This doesn't call for his execution, but some intervention would be HIGHLY recommended.

My take on the fathers actions? I have a REAL hard time looking at his actions being, what we would call, NORMAL. Giving the boy some real hard cracks on the bottom and taking him to the police station may be considered a normal response. To me, this was cold, callus murder, plain and simple...

Having the boy strip naked, pistol whipping him, marching him outside (still naked) to the vacant lot and executing him. That ain't normal in anyones version of normal. All 4 of these actions are disturbing and I think when this goes to trial, we may find out a lot about this father that just isn't right. I think, maybe, alot of points about the father's past may come to light."

[JediMindTrick]

I don't see anywhere in this thread where people are applauding what the Father has done. Apparently, you haven't read the post that I made earlier. If you haven't, I'll cut and paste it here for you to view.



You haven't looked very hard then.

Post 41 is an out and out celebration.

Post 52 by a different poster is basically a good job post.

As to the rest, your assuming a lot. For one your assuming that rape means what most people think, penile penetration, when in fact by legal definition rape only requires penetration by any foreign object and that can be fingers or tongues. If it was any of the latter there would not necessarily be any evidence. Furthermore I don't believe that we know the timeline of this. If the rape occurred more than a week or so before the exam there may not have been any evidence to find. The real world isn't CSI and more often than not there is no evidence to collect. I don't know what happened any more than you and if you look through my posts you'll see that I've absolutely condemned what the dad did.

My contention was and still is though that if the kid did what he was accused of then the dad did exactly what many conservatives on this board have called for. Oh sure some but not all are backing off that but as I said if you go to any death penalty and / or sex offender thread on this board you will find many of these same people calling for instant executions. Notzlun, for instance as I pointed earlier in the thread, out talked in a different thread about how he wanted to throw a 15 year old killer offf the grand canyon yet he's squeamish about this 15 year old who died.

[notluzn]

I thought that we were a nation of fair trials. No one knows anything except the boy that was murdered. The father could have jump to conclusions. maybe the father abused his son as well.

I for one hopes that none of you that agree with the father ever gets blamed Falsely by someone accusing you of rape or molestation. My Uncle did and he's still in prison while the cousin that said he molested her admitted to me she lied to get money and was told to say it from her mom.

Sick I know, but do I split the family up again?

[notluzn]

Dude, yes some people did. welcome noobI don't see anywhere in this thread where people are applauding what the Father has done. Apparently, you haven't read the post that I made earlier. If you haven't, I'll cut and paste it here for you to view.

There are many questions about this that we may never have answered. There are many answers that we may NOT want to know.

Now, the Original Post...

"Originally Posted by TheAnimal

I've been reading this Thread from start to finish. Instead of just jumping in here and posting what I felt about it, I did a little surfing to dig up a little more information. Here's what I found.

This is a short excerpt from the blog page that I came across

"Cherry said the 3-year-old's mother took the girl to a hospital to be examined Sunday. But she said her son claimed he didn't rape the little girl and kept his clothes on.
The exam showed no physical evidence of sexual trauma, Cherry said. Still, she added, he knew he was wrong."He told because he knew it wasn't right," she said."

Here's the link to the complete blog page:

http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+...erican+tragedy (http://www.zimbio.com/Jamar+Pinkney+Sr./articles/JosOrKjiRGr/Another+American+tragedy)

If this is a correct and truthful blog post, then the boy DIDN'T rape his half-sister and there was no physical evidence of sexual trauma. This leads to me to thinking that he just touched her in an inappropriate way (copped a feel, if you will). This doesn't call for his execution, but some intervention would be HIGHLY recommended.

My take on the fathers actions? I have a REAL hard time looking at his actions being, what we would call, NORMAL. Giving the boy some real hard cracks on the bottom and taking him to the police station may be considered a normal response. To me, this was cold, callus murder, plain and simple...

Having the boy strip naked, pistol whipping him, marching him outside (still naked) to the vacant lot and executing him. That ain't normal in anyones version of normal. All 4 of these actions are disturbing and I think when this goes to trial, we may find out a lot about this father that just isn't right. I think, maybe, alot of points about the father's past may come to light."

[Samm]

I thought that we were a nation of fair trials. No one knows anything except the boy that was murdered. The father could have jump to conclusions. maybe the father abused his son as well.

I for one hopes that none of you that agree with the father ever gets blamed Falsely by someone accusing you of rape or molestation. My Uncle did and he's still in prison while the cousin that said he molested her admitted to me she lied to get money and was told to say it from her mom.

Sick I know, but do I split the family up again?

If you have an ounce of a sense of decency, justice and fairness in your soul... Yes.

[Satchmopants]

This is exactly what conservatives call for all the time on here on this board. Every time there is a sex offender thread you get countless comments about killing them immediately, castrating them, and doing something really bad. How can anyone who has ever said such an thing (and this is some in this thread and many on this board) now not laud this guy as a hero?


some people will use anything to attempt to score political points from a tragic event such as this.

[S.E.]

I really feel for that girl. Not only does she have to live with whatever happened between her and her brother, but now she has to live with the fact that her brother is dead because of this.

ETA: And now she has to live without a brother and a Dad. (if he's convicted) What a tragedy.

[jimmyc123]

I thought that we were a nation of fair trials.

You did?

Go after people that produce and traffic drugs with on the spot Shot to the Head. Bullets are cheap.

The perp on the floor never held a gun up to anyone's face, he never held a gun period.

He was not a threat to the pharmacist after the pharmacist had head shot him.I guys Crime doesn't pay when you rob a place. I won't lose sleep. Anyone ask how the Pharmacist is feeling?

[notluzn]

You did? Guy caught producing drugs and carrying it is proof. Gone

Man robs a store or threaten the life of another while in the act of a crime Bam Gone. Next

No one saw the boy do anything and neither did the father. Next

[Antrel]

The mother let it happen? I have no respect for any grown man that beats on a teenage boy, much less one who shoots a teen in the back of the head like you would a dog. A tragedy all around.

[Gabby]

I really feel for that girl. Not only does she have to live with whatever happened between her and her brother, but now she has to live with the fact that her brother is dead because of this.

ETA: And now she has to live without a brother and a Dad. (if he's convicted) What a tragedy.

The man who killed his son is not the father of the boy's half sister.

The two children have different fathers.

[Gabby]

I thought that we were a nation of fair trials. No one knows anything except the boy that was murdered. The father could have jump to conclusions. maybe the father abused his son as well.

I for one hopes that none of you that agree with the father ever gets blamed Falsely by someone accusing you of rape or molestation. My Uncle did and he's still in prison while the cousin that said he molested her admitted to me she lied to get money and was told to say it from her mom.

Sick I know, but do I split the family up again?

I think that in this case, of course you 'split the family again'. You can try to do it in a way that does not split everyone up or at least minimizes the trauma. The ultimate thing in life is to do what is right and just no matter how hard it is. Your uncle's life has been ruined over a lie.

How did your cousin get money out of this? Did her mom pay her to make the accussation?

[JediMindTrick]

For anyone who has tried to minimize what the teen in this case did in this case here are some new details.

A 15-year-old Michigan boy admitted having sex with a 3-year-old girl, so enraging his father that the man pulled a gun, marched the teen to an empty lot and shot him through the head, the father’s defense attorney said Tuesday.

He admitted having sex. That means he raped the girl. That means he's a child rapist. That means according to many of you in other threads he deserved an execution which is what he got. The only credible issue any of you have is the fair trial part but many of you have wanted to deny that as well in other cases. Doesn't it suck to have reality bite you in rear end like this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34229492/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

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For anyone who has tried to minimize what the teen in this case did in this case here are some new details.



He admitted having sex. That means he raped the girl. That means he's a child rapist. That means according to many of you in other threads he deserved an execution which is what he got. The only credible issue any of you have is the fair trial part but many of you have wanted to deny that as well in other cases. Doesn't it suck to have reality bite you in rear end like this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34229492/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

strike what I just posted. I read it somewhere else.

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Since you apparently missed it, read this thread. There are people in this thread applauding what the dad did.

Do you even know what the word commonplace means?

Im thinking not.