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King Cantona

November 19th, 2009, 7:57 am

I used to like Thierry Henry, he was a good player, a fine ambassador for the game and an all round good guy but after tonight I know that he's a dirty, deceitful, devious, cheating BASTARD!!!!!!. May you rot in hell...

So now Ireland aren't going to The World Cup next year......:(......

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Thierry-Henry-Handball-France-Knocks-Ireland-Out-Of-World-Cup-After-Hand-Of-Gaul-Near-Paris/Article/200911315457319

Dr. Funkenstein

November 19th, 2009, 8:21 am

King Cantona

November 19th, 2009, 8:46 am

In fairness to Henry, it's not his fault it wasn't called.

Well I've mellowed a bit since the incident so I realise that it was instinctive but there should be video technology used in soccer, I along with many others have been calling for this for at least 20 years but still the powers that be are resistant...

Dr. Funkenstein

November 19th, 2009, 10:29 am

And I'm especially sad, being part-Irish...would have given me someone else to root for when the Americans and Dutch flame out.

JimGP20

November 19th, 2009, 10:56 am

This is a true example where a blown call by an official altered the outcome of a game.

Dr. Funkenstein

November 19th, 2009, 11:00 am

This is a true example where a blown call by an official altered the outcome of a game.
Did not...calling the handball would only have prolonged it. But to your point...EVERY call affects the outcome of a game. This call did not lose the bid to the World Cup for Ireland. Their inability to score in the match in France last week hurt them as did their inability to score more than once in this match.

Sure...the Irish MIGHT have won in golden goal time, but there's no telling. The French had been pounding at them for a decent amount of time before that play.

JimGP20

November 19th, 2009, 11:09 am

Did not...calling the handball would only have prolonged it. But to your point...EVERY call affects the outcome of a game. This call did not lose the bid to the World Cup for Ireland. Their inability to score in the match in France last week hurt them as did their inability to score more than once in this match.

Sure...the Irish MIGHT have won in golden goal time, but there's no telling. The French had been pounding at them for a decent amount of time before that play.

Oh please.... that call removed any shot for Ireland to win in extra time. You say that Ireland could have scored at any other point in the game... well, France also could have scored 10 goals at other points in the game too, but they didn't. It came down to a blown call, and that was the reason for the loss.

Dr. Funkenstein

November 19th, 2009, 11:13 am

Oh please.... that call removed any shot for Ireland to win in extra time. You say that Ireland could have scored at any other point in the game... well, France also could have scored 10 goals at other points in the game too, but they didn't. It came down to a blown call, and that was the reason for the loss.
Ireland had two games (180 minutes of game time) to score more than one goal. They didn't do it. Period.

Blaming the officials for the loss doesn't excuse their offensive ineptitude.

ETA- My point about overtime was based on the concept of the officials calling the play correctly.

JimGP20

November 19th, 2009, 11:38 am

Ireland had two games (180 minutes of game time) to score more than one goal. They didn't do it. Period.

Blaming the officials for the loss doesn't excuse their offensive ineptitude.

ETA- My point about overtime was based on the concept of the officials calling the play correctly.

I'm right and you're wrong. I have spoken and counted to three. :snooty:

Dr. Funkenstein

November 19th, 2009, 11:47 am

I'm right and you're wrong. I have spoken and counted to three. :snooty:
:hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand:

TheModerateOne

November 19th, 2009, 12:20 pm

Even the French know they went through unfairly. Platini and Blatter really can shut up forever about "fair play" when they won't even look into it. Not that they would when one of their favorite continental teams is involved. FIFA is one of the most, if not the most, corrupt sporting organizations in the world.

Dr. Funkenstein

November 19th, 2009, 12:33 pm

King Cantona

November 19th, 2009, 2:06 pm

Sure...the Irish MIGHT have won in golden goal time, but there's no telling. The French had been pounding at them for a decent amount of time before that play.

As far as I could see Ireland were not only the better team but created the best chances...

Beccaria

November 19th, 2009, 2:22 pm

As far as I could see Ireland were not only the better team but created the best chances...

But if it boiled down to one play, then that means it was a close game overall.

Vaard

November 19th, 2009, 8:40 pm

i find it hard to get worked up about a sport that is played by 5 year old girls on saturday afternoons......

King Cantona

November 20th, 2009, 7:47 am

i find it hard to get worked up about a sport that is played by 5 year old girls on saturday afternoons......

And I have trouble getting worked up about a game (NFL) where it's played by a bunch of pansies prancing around all padded up in case they get a bit hurt...;)...

Football (Soccer) is played all over the world for a reason, your 'football' isn't, nuff said......:cool:.......

Dr. Funkenstein

November 20th, 2009, 7:49 am

And I have trouble getting worked up about a game (NFL) where it's played by a bunch of pansies prancing around all padded up in case they get a bit hurt...;)...

Football (Soccer) is played all over the world for a reason, your 'football' isn't, nuff said......:cool:.......
Well, in fairness, soccer predates our football by approximately 300 years.

It's had a little more time to develop a fanbase.

King Cantona

November 20th, 2009, 9:22 am

Well, in fairness, soccer predates our football by approximately 300 years.

It's had a little more time to develop a fanbase.

Yes and I have nothing against NFL football, I have watched it and enjoyed it on many occasions but I will defend my sport against what I see as very short sighted attacks from people who actually have a very insular view of sport...

Funnily enough, are you aware that baseball (rounders) is played by 5 year old girls here?...

Dr. Funkenstein

November 20th, 2009, 9:28 am

Yes and I have nothing against NFL football, I have watched it and enjoyed it on many occasions but I will defend my sport against what I see as very short sighted attacks from people who actually have a very insular view of sport...

Funnily enough, are you aware that baseball (rounders) is played by 5 year old girls here?...
Same way here.

In fact, football is played by some 5-year old girls here.

King Cantona

November 20th, 2009, 1:29 pm

Same way here.

In fact, football is played by some 5-year old girls here.

Actually rounders is more of a unisex game amongst kids here, when I went on a 4 day camp in Derbyshire whilst at school we all played rounders, it's baseball with a smaller bat. And the ball is bowled/pitched underarm, I hit a home run into the next field, a cow looked up briefly and then resumed his grazing...

But baseball isn't a kid's game anymore than football (soccer) is a kid's game...

TheModerateOne

November 20th, 2009, 7:20 pm

What would you have FIFA do? Re-start the match from the point of the missed call?

It would still have to be decided.

Funk,

It's a difficult answer. I have a beer in my hand and some time so I'll share my ranty opinion. I don't think you could replay the game from that point, nor do I think you can replay the game period. There are so many crap decisions in the game, on the international level as well as the club level. Some don't really affect the outcome (like Johnny Evans kicking Didier Drogba in the chest a couple of weeks ago, how bout that fiasco KC) but others do affect the outcome. For my taste it happens way too often, and so I think replaying this match will inevitably lead to other folks complaining about wanting to replay their own qualifier for X or Y reason. IMO FIFA can't put themselves in this position because it's not feasible to rectify all the **** ups and get through the qualifying rounds in a timely fashion.

So in the end, I think the Irish have to take this gut punch. I just hope it's not in vain because, as I've already said, the refereeing standard in football is GOD AWFUL and something has to be done to make sure a major **** up doesn't cost a team a match - as well in many cases millions in cash, or like in this example a chance to qualify for the WC. I feel deeply sorry for Ireland.

The problem is that Blatter at FIFA, and Platini at UEFA, are Luddites. I'm so sick of people who put forth this romanticized view of football that says the "human element of the game" as they say, (a.k.a. the potential for awful referee decisions) is sacrosanct. They make it sound like some kind of benefit but you know what? The human element sucks. Its costs greatly outweigh whatever "benefit" they're talking about, and it almost always favors eurocentric FIFA's favorite teams like Italy and France, and in UEFA it always benefits the big teams. Blatter knows this.

So what is FIFA's answer? They're saying goal line referees, which do nothing for shady decisions that happen on most of the pitch. What about a dive that results in a free kick that ends up being the match winner? It's such a stupid idea, and it only strengthens my belief that FIFA is a corrupt organization. They need video review and everyone knows it. I understand it has already happened in Rugby, and it hasn't slowed the game to a crawl. That's their argument, it disrupts the "flow" of the game, which is clearly not true. They don't want the game to be refereed correctly, so what does that say to you if you're not one of the favored few? You're not going to get the 50/50 calls, or even the obvious ones, end of.

King Cantona

November 20th, 2009, 7:37 pm

TheModerateOne

November 20th, 2009, 7:51 pm

There is a big march planned tomorrow on FaceBook, marching to the French Embassy in Dublin, I'm pretty sure it won't make a difference but this isn't going to just go away...

By the way talking about the kick on Drogba doesn't excuse the AWFUL refereeing in that game that caused United to lose that match. Anyway we'll beat them to the title but Ireland won't even have the chance to compete in The World Cup now because of inept refereeing...

I'm Chelsea froo and froo, but I will admit the game was poorly officiated all around. If I remember correctly, it was the ref's first big match. Nevertheless I'm shedding NO tears for Ol' Purple Nose. We'll see about that title race, buddy. ;)

What do you think about video replay? I was listening to the Guardian Football Weekly, and one of the pundits pretty much suggested verbatim the NFL challenge policy. I think video replay can work and satisfy the "purists" as long as there is some kind of framework to limit the challenges like what the NFL uses.

Edit: Also, I don't know what good a march on the French embassy would do either. While Henry clearly handled it, admitted as such, I don't think it's their country's responsibility to fix the problem. I don't know how they could. At the least it will show how serious people are about the travesty.

King Cantona

November 20th, 2009, 8:34 pm

I'm Chelsea froo and froo, but I will admit the game was poorly officiated all around. If I remember correctly, it was the ref's first big match. Nevertheless I'm shedding NO tears for Ol' Purple Nose. We'll see about that title race, buddy. ;)

What do you think about video replay? I was listening to the Guardian Football Weekly, and one of the pundits pretty much suggested verbatim the NFL challenge policy. I think video replay can work and satisfy the "purists" as long as there is some kind of framework to limit the challenges like what the NFL uses.

Edit: Also, I don't know what good a march on the French embassy would do either. While Henry clearly handled it, admitted as such, I don't think it's their country's responsibility to fix the problem. I don't know how they could. At the least it will show how serious people are about the travesty.

Oh I'm not too concerned about the Chelsea game, there's a long way to go yet but I have always called for video technology, I think it's 3 challenges per half in the NFL so if it was three challenges in the whole game I'd be happy. That would cut out frivolous challenges and it wouldn't slow the game down..

I think the reason for the march is to show the strength of feeling at what was a terrible injustice but of course nobody died so we shouldn't make too big a deal of it but if France said they wanted a replay maybe it would happen..

I've heard that after the match any time a Frenchman saw any Irish fans he would go up to them and apologise because they are ashamed at having got to The World Cup the way they did...

Michel Platini is the man who ALWAYS wants to stop the implementation of video technology...

TheModerateOne

November 20th, 2009, 8:57 pm

Oh I'm not too concerned about the Chelsea game, there's a long way to go yet but I have always called for video technology, I think it's 3 challenges per half in the NFL so if it was three challenges in the whole game I'd be happy. That would cut out frivolous challenges and it wouldn't slow the game down..

I think the reason for the march is to show the strength of feeling at what was a terrible injustice but of course nobody died so we shouldn't make too big a deal of it but if France said they wanted a replay maybe it would happen..

I've heard that after the match any time a Frenchman saw any Irish fans he would go up to them and apologise because they are ashamed at having got to The World Cup the way they did...

Michel Platini is the man who ALWAYS wants to stop the implementation of video technology...

I'm glad to hear the French reacted that way. One thing that's true about the game that baffles Americans is the tribal nature, to the point that people deny reality. Good for them. And here I thought they were *******s.

Platini's the author of numerous ridiculous ideas, meant mainly to screw the English for the benefit of horrible teams from East ****istan. I'm not even English but I'm insulted. He smiled like a proud father when Chelsea got worked over in the CL semis against Barca. Talk about a poorly officiated match.

And I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I think Platini and Blatter share a similar approach. They think what's good for the favored teams is good for the game overall. When Barca wins the CL it's great for football. When Italy wins the WC it's great for football. Tell that to teams and FAs that get screwed out of those millions. How can you try to teach kids good values and be hypocrites? What does an Irish boy think of "Fair Play" now? If it isn't fair, it isn't credible.

TheModerateOne

November 20th, 2009, 9:06 pm

One thing I hope happens someday is for the English FA to be the first and say they're going to implement video review for all official matches. I would be really proud to be a supporter of English football. If it doesn't happen top-bottom, which to me it's obvious it won't, it has to start somewhere. Time to go drink more beer!

King Cantona

November 22nd, 2009, 2:49 pm

Well it seems that maybe the opinion of the overwhelming majority of French people who want the game replayed were very democratically drowned out by the opinion of one man:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/domenech-blocked-replay-1950705.html

Vaard

November 22nd, 2009, 9:20 pm

Yes and I have nothing against NFL football, I have watched it and enjoyed it on many occasions but I will defend my sport against what I see as very short sighted attacks from people who actually have a very insular view of sport...

Funnily enough, are you aware that baseball (rounders) is played by 5 year old girls here?...

i dont take baseball seriously either........

its only a sport till football season starts........

King Cantona

November 23rd, 2009, 3:25 pm

It won't save Ireland but it seems that something will finally be done:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1123/fifa_worldcup.html

nortman

November 24th, 2009, 9:01 am

I'm right and you're wrong. I have spoken and counted to three. :snooty:
Hey, I could use this in the WP topics.

King Cantona

December 1st, 2009, 7:28 am

Interesting development in this story:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12040_5734153,0.html

Dr. Funkenstein

December 1st, 2009, 7:57 am

Interesting development in this story:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12040_5734153,0.html
Obviously they're not going to expand it to 33, but has the issue with Chile been resolved yet?

And the 2nd part of that article may fix one of the things I've always found strange about soccer...that they've got no officials in FRONT of the play in the middle of the field, just behind it. Every other sport has an official around the goal (football's got the umpire behind the linebackers, basketball and hockey have a ref behind the end/goal line, baseball obviously has the home plate umpire).

WhiteHatBobby

December 2nd, 2009, 4:51 pm

NFL Vice President of Officiating Mike Pereira was interviewed by the Daily Mirror British newspaper in regards to instant replay and the Challenge Rule in light of the Theirry Henry handball.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/incoming/Why-World-Cup-must-learn-from-the-NFL-and-bring-in-instant-replay-article240047.html

MikeT

December 2nd, 2009, 8:03 pm

Don't see Henry as being a cheat. He never did anything bad like that before, when we think about divers and etc in our game, Henry is never on that list of players. I just think what he did was a basic reaction, I would probably do the same thing, **** I did ti! It's ref's job to see that and to make a call, even if Henry walked up to a ref and said yeah I touched a ball ref wouldn't be able to reverse his call.

Video technology - NO! So if there was a video technology during that game we wouldn't be talking about that incident right now. I like drama, if there was video technology in Mexico no Maradonna and his hand. You can all see where I am going with this, I am loving it!

However, to be fair we need video technology. But how to use it? Would it only be for goals scored either from an offside trap or by a hand? Or maybe for goals disallowed because ref believed that an attacking player was offside? What about cards? Ref claiming that one challenge deserves a red card when obviously all is needed is a yellow card, penalties....Lot's of things happen in our game and to have a video technology for every little thing is just insane!

My proposal (yeah FIFA really cares what I am proposing)..put in the video technology, but coaches themselves have the right to call for its use and only three times during a game. This would still keep a flow of a game and it wouldn't be used for every little small thing. Obvious reasons to call in: goal disallowed, penalty awarded even though it was a dive or other way around, red cards (although clubs have a right to appeal a red card after a game, but still during a game that team is playing with a man down) and etc