Would You Ever Date A Vegan?

[newyorkjetsfan]

I heard Flipper on Sean's radio show today, and she asked him not to talk about food.

I would never date, much less marry, a vegan. I enjoy eating hamburgers and don't anyone trying to change my eating habits. That's just me.

[ExDem]

Hell no.

[johnrocks]

Sure, it might help me lose weight, besides, if she bitched too much, I'd just knock her out with a cucumber that would be readily available.:cool:

[Kelzan]

If she didn't have a problem with me eating meat then sure.

[Sinister Rouge]

Depends on how evangelical she is about her veganism. I admit that it's a healthier lifestyle, but I like BBQ ribs, raw oysters, lamb quorma, and cheeseburgers.

[super cool ski instructor]

I'm gonna be honest...no I wouldn't.

[Safiel]

I seriously doubt a vegan would want to date me. I have worked for Cargill for years and started out in meatpacking operations. :)

[traditional_woman]

Hypothetical answer since i'm married, but yes i would. I'd rather date a vegan than someone who is not health conscious. Not every vegan is self righteous about it, some just don't eat meat b/c they think it's healhier. Of course he'd have to understand that he would be cooking his own meals 90% of the time, b/c I'm forever making chicken casseroles!

[super cool ski instructor]

Oh and I bake...and I am not about to use egg and dairy substitutes to bake...and if he will not eat what I bake...then I don't need to be with him.

[ChaosControl]

Of course, I'd actually prefer her to be. Better motivate me to give up dairy for good.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

If she didn't have a problem with me eating meat then sure.
Exactly...you leave my burger alone, I won't touch your bean sprouts.

And I've been with a vegan...she wasn't militant about it. It was her personal preference, but she never tried to convert me. I could never do it anyway...I have a wicked taste aversion to most of the vegetables in a salad.

[Stuball]

I heard Flipper on Sean's radio show today, and she asked him not to talk about food.

I would never date, much less marry, a vegan. I enjoy eating hamburgers and don't anyone trying to change my eating habits. That's just me.
You wont date or marry Flipper(or any other vegan) because she is a vegan?
Do you think Flipper will force you to be a vegan too?

[supreme_war_Pig]

If she didn't have a problem with me eating meat then sure.

Pretty much. If they didn't preach, I'd be fine with it.

[LouC]

I heard Flipper on Sean's radio show today, and she asked him not to talk about food.

I would never date, much less marry, a vegan. I enjoy eating hamburgers and don't anyone trying to change my eating habits. That's just me.

I would date a vegan.

No problem.

I would accept their dietary preferences and not have a problem up until they might decide to not respect my dietary preferences.

[Snagglepuss]

I don't think a vegan would want to date me (assuming I was single). I'm a die-hard carnivore, and I also like to cook too, but not for one.

Fortunately, I married a die-hard carnivore as well! :mrgreen:

[ThrowCop]

I have dated a vegetarian or two. Neither had a problem with me eating meat.

Vegans that I have known are not so accepting.

[DavidC]

Not all vegans preach about it. I don't care who you eat.

But darn....that video on FOX 2 days ago, of the poor little pigs being tossed like footballs was hideous and made me cry.

Srsly....i don't preach about it at all. But i've been a veggie then vegan for 45 years....ya know, it's not long before you really don't care about missing the prime rib or pastrami...or porterhouses....or sushi or sukiyaki and start wondering how you ever gobbled down that stuff.....yyuuuuuuaahhhhhck:evil:

Ya ever seen the way they treat those poor chickens in the big plants?

On another note...the cable guy was here yesterday fixing some stuff and we were talking about some movie and he said something as if he thought I was around his age (he looked around 30)

...I said, "I'm older then you think." he said, "How old?"......"I'm 62." He said "whaaa no way........ you might be 40." So i showed him my drivers lic.

Ever seen the expression on the face of a cow? They're real, not cardboard.


ha ha ha


Guess i'll have to check out Flipper.

[nortman]

I heard Flipper on Sean's radio show today, and she asked him not to talk about food.

I would never date, much less marry, a vegan. I enjoy eating hamburgers and don't anyone trying to change my eating habits. That's just me.

I have a sneaking suspicion that my wife would not be happy if I dated a vegan.

[JediMindTrick]

Is the vegan hot?

Unless she expected me to live as a vegan too it would be irrelevant to me. I don't have any right to control her eating habits anymore than she does mine. My aunt is a vegan and she's been happily married to her carnivore husband for over 50 years now. Its only an issue if you make it one.

[ThrowCop]

Is the vegan hot?

Unless she expected me to live as a vegan too it would be irrelevant to me. I don't have any right to control her eating habits anymore than she does mine. My aunt is a vegan and she's been happily married to her carnivore husband for over 50 years now. Its only an issue if you make it one.Very true.

My personal experience has not been good but yeah, if they did not try to guilt or nag me into making the same decision, I would be okay with it.

[Broseph]

Yes.

Why would anyone answer no? What does being a vegan have to do with anything?

[BiscoHeadx818]

sure. but i doubt a vegan would want to date me.
i have a problem with bacon, its sort of my crutch i guess

[Constantine the Great]

Sure, it might help me lose weight, besides, if she bitched too much, I'd just knock her out with a cucumber that would be readily available.:cool:


You don't need to cut out meat in order to lose weight. I lost 165 pounds in 18 months by cutting out alot of things, but meat was not one of them. In fact, now that I am hitting the gym to build muscle, meat is a vital component to that program.

Would I have ever dated a vegan (I am married so this is hypothetical)? Yes as long as she didn't have expectations of changing me to her way of life. Marry a vegan? Maybe not, as meals at home could get complicated. Then there is the issue of child raising as well.

[JimGP20]

Hell... I didn't even know that the planet Vega had even sent any folks here. :eek:

[khigh]

I'm married, but hypothetically, yes I would. Would help me on the final step to becoming vegan. Have already cut out meat and dairy products and eggs. I still love a glass of goat's milk and goat cheese. At least I know where it comes from. My boss owns a few goats and I will only get my milk from him and he makes his own goat cheese.

I don't preach about it though. It's a religion thing for me and I don't proselytize.

[NascarGirl2448]

My aunt is a vegan. She won't touch meat, and somehow managed to convert my uncle. Although that's not a bad thing. He's healthier now than he was when they got married, 15 years ago. As for seeing the expression on the face of a cow, yes I have, every day!!! My neighbor has 32 cows.

[Sinister Rouge]

I've always wondered how vegetarians felt about eating carnivores. It's only fair.
I had fried alligator last week, and it really got me thinking... If I didn't know better than to swim in Mobile Bay, dinner could have easily been the other way around.

[Poisonshady313]

In a thread like this, I am reminded of a hilarious skit about vegetarians and meat eaters:

**WARNING** Contains one instance of adult language... not an F-bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTsWjbjQ8E

"I don't eat vegetarian"
"What do you mean?"
"I'm a meat eater"
"But you know Wendy and I are Veggie"
"Yes, I know, and when you two came around for dinner we made you a mushroom risotto. I was sort of expecting you to return the effort."

[CaptainPike]

Do vegetarians eat only vegetables? Or do they not eat meat?

I've seen lard ass vegetarians before.

[DavidC]

Hell... I didn't even know that the planet Vega had even sent any folks here. :eek:


Yeah...We're Here

and we don':naughty:t like meat breath

[Sinister Rouge]

Do vegetarians eat only vegetables? Or do they not eat meat?

I've seen lard ass vegetarians before.


Depends.
They do not eat meat. They eat the other 4 food groups.
Vegans also do not eat dairy or eggs.

I've never seen a veg or a vegan have any problem with pasta (so long as it was made without eggs.)

[CaptainPike]

Depends.
They do not eat meat. They eat the other 4 food groups.
Vegans also do not eat dairy or eggs.

I've never seen a veg or a vegan have any problem with pasta (so long as it was made without eggs.)

Would Anti-Meat be a more accurate description?

[Poisonshady313]

I knew a vegan in college. It amused me when he grimaced at the sight of a fur coat on a woman walking by... while we were sitting there chatting while I wore a genuine leather jacket.

Dude was hardcore. Even his shampoo was labeled "vegan friendly".

[Sinister Rouge]

Would Anti-Meat be a more accurate description?


From Wiki:
The Vegetarian Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_Society), founded in 1847, claims to have "created the word vegetarian from the Latin 'vegetus' meaning 'lively' (which is how these early vegetarians claimed their diet made them feel) ..."[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian#cite_note-11) However, the Oxford English Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary) and other standard dictionaries state that the word was formed from the term "vegetable" and the suffix "-arian".[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian#cite_note-12)
The Oxford English Dictionary also gives evidence that the word was already in use before the foundation of the Vegetarian Society:


1839 - "If I had had to be my own cook, I should inevitably become a vegetarian." (F. A. Kemble, Jrnl. Residence on Georgian Plantation (1863) 251)
1842 - "To tell a healthy vegetarian that his diet is very uncongenial with the wants of his nature." (Healthian, Apr. 34)

but notes that "The general use of the word appears to have been largely due to the formation of the Vegetarian Society at Ramsgate in 1847."


I think 'herbivore' would be more appropriate, with the rest of us being 'omnivores.'

[DavidC]

Do vegetarians eat only vegetables? Or do they not eat meat?

Many eat eggs and dairy (cheese,milk etc.) No mammals, birds or fish.


Imagine the arguments cannibals and non-cannibal human tribes had.



I've seen lard ass vegetarians before.

Veggie pizza and cookies, french fries, Whooper (Veggie) cheeseburgers, pastry, candy, bread, butter etc. Same stuff that makes others fat.

[Sinister Rouge]

I knew a vegan in college. It amused me when he grimaced at the sight of a fur coat on a woman walking by... while we were sitting there chatting while I wore a genuine leather jacket.

Dude was hardcore. Even his shampoo was labeled "vegan friendly".


Feels good man.


I've thought about it. I read Fast Food Nation for a class a while back, and it's all about how filthy meat-packing plants are (nothing has changed since the days of Upton Sinclair, apparently). The meat industry is a very dirty business. Beef cows are fed the ground-up remains of other beef cows, diseased animals are ground up and sold as regular meat, etc. The reason the US hasn't had any cases of Mad Cow disease is that the Meat Industry lobbied Congress to prevent the FDA from testing for it--because they were afraid they could find it. Meat processing plants are some of the most dangerous places to work, and they predominantly employ illegal aliens who won't go to OSHA if they happen to get an arm or leg or head ripped off by the machinery.
But they just taste sooooo good.

[Sinister Rouge]

Many eat eggs and dairy (cheese,milk etc.) No mammals, birds or fish.


Imagine the arguments cannibals and non-cannibal human tribes had.





Veggie pizza and cookies, french fries, Whooper (Veggie) cheeseburgers, pastry, candy, bread, butter etc. Same stuff that makes others fat.


I've heard that the Veggie Whopper actually isn't veggie... Which defeats the whole purpose.

[DavidC]

Would Anti-Meat be a more accurate description?


it's similar to not believing in abortion.

[notluzn]

Why would I want to date someone that is unhealthy?

[DavidC]

I've heard that the Veggie Whopper actually isn't veggie... Which defeats the whole purpose.

The McDonalds one was a fake, it was discontinued, had beef fat in the bun--real stupid--same thing they addict everyone with, but the others are fine for veggies. Some have egg in them. So vegans want the non-egg ones.

[CaptainPike]

it's similar to not believing in abortion.

It looks to me that vegans eat everything except meat.

How is that healthy? You would actually be better off increasing your meat intake and cutting out other stuff.

[Sinister Rouge]

It looks to me that vegans eat everything except meat.

How is that healthy? You would actually be better off increasing your meat intake and cutting out other stuff.

Vegans don't eat anything involving animal products.
There are other ways to get protein.
I'm not a veg or a vegan, but the ones I know seem pretty healthy.
One is a biologist. Another is a nutritionist. They seem to know the science behind it better than I care to.

I'm sure there are some veg/vegan sites that could explain it pretty well.

[DavidC]

Vegans only subsist on things that inhale CO2 and exhale oxygen....course it's impossible to not eat microsopic stuff you breath in or ingest in water or food, or walking or driving, without killing things.

[Sinister Rouge]

I'm convinced that vegetarians have just never experienced Carolina BBQ.
I'd sell a kidney for that.

[DavidC]

It looks to me that vegans eat everything except meat.

How is that healthy? You would actually be better off increasing your meat intake and cutting out other stuff.


it's very healthy if you eat balanced.

[DavidC]

I'm convinced that vegetarians have just never experienced Carolina BBQ.
I'd sell a kidney for that.

Whatever meat dish you like can be duplicated pretty close these days and don't end up with all that stringy junk inbetween your teeth.

[buflineks]

That would imply that a Vegan would be interested in dating me.

I believe that if that were to ever happen I would have to call the Vatican to get a weather forcast.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I would never date a vegan because a) they are militant about their eating of all thing and b) they tend (especially the ones who don't know you need to take liquid protein to stay healthy) have a unhealthy pallor and look malnourished.

[DavidC]

I would never date a vegan because a) they are militant about their eating of all thing and b) they tend (especially the ones who don't know you need to take liquid protein to stay healthy) have a unhealthy pallor and look malnourished.


You libs are all the same...:rolleyes:

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

You libs are all the same...:rolleyes:

I like girls with curves, sick of dress-sock thin women. Heroin chic and all that crap.

[DavidC]

I like girls with curves, sick of dress-sock thin women. Heroin chic and all that crap.

Tofu gives them more curves.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

This explains it better than anything else:

Warning: Some naughty words and so forth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJFBJsfllBg

[Safiel]

This explains it better than anything else:

Warning: Some naughty words and so forth:

VERY NICE!!!

That video expresses my views exactly. :)

[khigh]

I would never date a vegan because a) they are militant about their eating of all thing and b) they tend (especially the ones who don't know you need to take liquid protein to stay healthy) have a unhealthy pallor and look malnourished.

Not all are militant. I'm pretty much a vegan and I won't push my views on anyone.

I eat a lot of non animal proteins, but guess what, I'm skinny. That's not because I don't eat meat, it's because I have a high metabolism. I like being skinny and wouldn't change my size 0 size jeans for anything.

I don't think I have an unhealthy pallor. I'm white, very, very white. I don't like tanning and stay out of the sun. On sunny days, I wear gloves (lace in the summer) and normally have a parasol.

[DavidC]

This explains it better than anything else:

Warning: Some naughty words and so forth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJFBJsfllBg


ok try this (just celeb photos and music--bottom one is the sexy celebs. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCMFNEPzeTo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_RQRGciOqQ&feature=related

[CaptainPike]

Whatever meat dish you like can be duplicated pretty close these days and don't end up with all that stringy junk inbetween your teeth.

That stringy stuff is known as the midnight snack.

[CaptainPike]

I like girls with curves, sick of dress-sock thin women. Heroin chic and all that crap.

I agree. Who wants to look at a bag of bones? That lame miss universe sex tape comes to mind.

[traditional_woman]

Actually studies have shown that vegans live longer and are less likely to get certain diseases, including cancer.

[DavidC]

I like girls with curves, sick of dress-sock thin women. Heroin chic and all that crap.


you are confusing vegan bizarre girls with bizarre vegan girls.

[DavidC]

That stringy stuff is known as the midnight snack.

and the root canal.

[ChaosControl]

I would never date a vegan because a) they are militant about their eating of all thing and b) they tend (especially the ones who don't know you need to take liquid protein to stay healthy) have a unhealthy pallor and look malnourished.

You don't need to take liquid protein or any supplements, there are sources of proteins and such in a vegan diet as long as it is well balanced.

The problem a lot of vegetarians/vegans have is they don't have a balanced diet and since they don't eat meat they do miss out on things like proteins and certain vitamins which results in some people thinking vegetarianism is not healthful.

I don't eat as good as I should either though, too much dairy mainly. If I went vegan instead of just vegetarian that'd cut out the junk food I like and I'd be good to go.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I agree. Who wants to look at a bag of bones? That lame miss universe sex tape comes to mind.

Or Jolie going from the glory days of Gia to looking like a Biafra Baby.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

You don't need to take liquid protein or any supplements, there are sources of proteins and such in a vegan diet as long as it is well balanced.

The problem a lot of vegetarians/vegans have is they don't have a balanced diet and since they don't eat meat they do miss out on things like proteins and certain vitamins which results in some people thinking vegetarianism is not healthful.

I don't eat as good as I should either though, too much dairy mainly. If I went vegan instead of just vegetarian that'd cut out the junk food I like and I'd be good to go.

I may be biased because there are a bunch of goofy vegan anarchist college kids in my neighborhood, and they are just suuuuuuch asses.

[DavidC]

Or Jolie going from the glory days of Gia to looking like a Biafra Baby.

yeah...but thats her being weird. trust me, Vegan does not equal Bulimia.

[DavidC]

I may be biased because there are a bunch of goofy vegan anarchist college kids in my neighborhood, and they are just suuuuuuch asses.

they annoy me too. I know what you mean.

Really it's all about making a decision and creating a different habit. Meat eating is all habit and old animal instinct which you can lock up inside the DNA like a tail and unopposable thumb.

I can't even think of the last time I had a vegan conversation.

[Ninjacorpse]

I would, I have a few friends that are vegan and while they tend to lean left are nice people. They may give me grief about what i eat from time to time but i return the favor. :))

[Sinister Rouge]

For some reason I saw this thread and thought it was "Would you ever date a virgin."

1. I am apparently tired.
2. No. I have, and would not again.
3. Would I get banned for opening a thread like that?

[super cool ski instructor]

I can only imagine the dirty looks I would get from the vegan if I were sitting across the table from them wearing a fur collared sweater...something tells me it wouldn't be pleasant.

[CaptainPike]

I can only imagine what a date with a vegan would be like.

Me: "Let's hit up the pizza hut and then go to the movies"
Vegan: "Pizza hut?!?! I'm outraged!! They use meat on their pizza!"
Me: "We don't have to order the meat..."
Vegan: "It's unacceptable! Lets go throw cow blood all over the workers instead".
Me: "Fine. Let's go to eat celery sticks and go to the zoo"
Vegan: "The zoo?!?!? Do you know how those poor animals are treated?? They get looked at and laughed at by little kids. It's demeaning for them"
Me: "Ok you decide what we're gonna do"
Vegan: "I'm so outraged, I don't know what to do!!!"

[JeffR]

Sure, but I'd make it a priority get her to change her ways.

I tend to have a thing against vegans, since most I have encountered are not knowledgeable about nutrition. (No offense to any of the vegan posters here.)

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I was vegan for 2 years.

It was too much work.

[CID_0687]

I should really pay better attention to thread titles...at first glance I thought it said, "Would You Ever Date a Virgin?"

[gdoane]

The main problem with Vegans is they're going to be Democrats.

[DavidC]

The main problem with Vegans is they're going to be Democrats.


Thats not true. thats like saying, anti-abortionist are going to be democrats. It's more conservative to not eat animals.

[gdoane]

Thats not true. thats like saying, anti-abortionist are going to be democrats. It's more conservative to not eat animals.

How do you figure that?

Look at your own teeth, your incisors. You are a mammal, a predator born with cutting teeth. Your canine fangs were not meant for salads. EAT MEAT. Do as you were born to do.

Conservatism is a natural state of being. Liberalism ain't natural and fights against the natural state at every turn.

[nortman]

Do vegetarians eat only vegetables? Or do they not eat meat?

I've seen lard ass vegetarians before.
That's because instead of substitutuing something healthy for meats, they go with carbs or high fat foods.

[nortman]

Why would I want to date someone that is unhealthy?

Vegan is no more unhealthy than most of our diets. They can substitute for the lack of meat in their diets by using othr high protein foods like nuts........I mean they can eat nuts, not that they are nuts.....er....well, never mind. Anyhow, I have not managed to figure out what they do about dairy, since calcium and vitamin D are so important. I believe that they just substitute using vitamins.

[nortman]

Vegans only subsist on things that inhale CO2 and exhale oxygen....course it's impossible to not eat microsopic stuff you breath in or ingest in water or food, or walking or driving, without killing things.

:think:
I never thought of it that way. So, vegans are helping to accelerate man made global warming by eating things that inhale CO2 while the rest of us are fighting global warming by eating things that expel CO2. Looks to me like there needs to be a special "Vegetarian Tax".

[brody]

Prob...

Ohhhh, you said VEGAN.

All I can say is:

If you think chili farts smell bad...

[Snagglepuss]

Whatever meat dish you like can be duplicated pretty close these days and don't end up with all that stringy junk inbetween your teeth.Um...sorry, but no....no they can't. Not to my palatte they can't. Besides...I like all that stringy goodness between my teeth! :mrgreen:

[Snagglepuss]

and the root canal.Never heard of floss, toothpaste, or mouth rinses?

[super cool ski instructor]

Whatever meat dish you like can be duplicated pretty close these days and don't end up with all that stringy junk inbetween your teeth.

I'm sorry David but there is absoluely nothing on this planet that could replace the wonderful goodness that is filet mignon.

[midwestbelle]

Sure. It's their loss.
Now when I first read the subject line I thought it was another "V" word and uh, absolutely not. ;)

[ChaosControl]

I may be biased because there are a bunch of goofy vegan anarchist college kids in my neighborhood, and they are just suuuuuuch asses.

Yeah, they do project a negative stereotype. Its the same thing with the environmentalists and animal rights people. I may share some views with them, but they all come across like a bunch of lunatics.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

How do you figure that?

Look at your own teeth, your incisors. You are a mammal, a predator born with cutting teeth. Your canine fangs were not meant for salads. EAT MEAT. Do as you were born to do.

Conservatism is a natural state of being. Liberalism ain't natural and fights against the natural state at every turn.

Not entirely true considering we cannot eat raw meat.

[Snagglepuss]

Not entirely true considering we cannot eat raw meat.
Depending on the meat, sure we can. Granted, fowl and pork are good examples for what we definitely should NOT eat unprepared, but beef is doable, and the Japanese have made a lifestyle out of eating raw fish.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I'm sorry David but there is absoluely nothing on this planet that could replace the wonderful goodness that is filet mignon.
I have had a soy 'steak'.

It does not compare. It's a different planet.

[Nevarwinter]

I've only ever had very unfortunate experiences with vegans. The ones i've met have all been pretty preachy and judgmental and VERY proud of themselves for being vegans.

[Apatriot]

I heard Flipper on Sean's radio show today, and she asked him not to talk about food.

I would never date, much less marry, a vegan. I enjoy eating hamburgers and don't anyone trying to change my eating habits. That's just me.

Well, it depends on if the particular vegan is an evangelizing vegan or not. My wife, when we first married, didn't eat red meat. She stuck to chicken and fish. She had no problem if I ate or cooked a hamburger or a steak or whatever else I might want to eat. If she had been a vegan with that same attitude, I could have dated her.

[Apatriot]

Exactly...you leave my burger alone, I won't touch your bean sprouts.

And I've been with a vegan...she wasn't militant about it. It was her personal preference, but she never tried to convert me. I could never do it anyway...I have a wicked taste aversion to most of the vegetables in a salad.


Vegans have to eat much more than salad. Most pretty much rely on beans and bean derivatives.

[Joeybear23]

Absolutely not.
My wife would have a fit.


Plus, I hear vegan farts really stink. You do know cows and horses are vegan, and man do they ever release some noxious odors.

[Apatriot]

I've heard that the Veggie Whopper actually isn't veggie... Which defeats the whole purpose.

There are several products in BK's line.

The Veggie Whopper is just a whopper without the meat.

The BK Veggie is a soy burger, it's vegetarian, but not vegan, as it has dairy.

[VCaddy05]

Sure I could just dont try and change my eating habits and well get along just fine. Try and change my diet, and Ill eat you!!

[VCaddy05]

Absolutely not.
My wife would have a fit.


Plus, I hear vegan farts really stink. You do know cows and horses are vegan, and man do they ever release some noxious odors.

I dont know how bad a vegan is, but I have been known to clear a room from time to time, and Im certainly no vegan!!! :mrgreen:

[Apatriot]

Thats not true. thats like saying, anti-abortionist are going to be democrats. It's more conservative to not eat animals.

I know very few conservative vegans.

[Apatriot]

Not entirely true considering we cannot eat raw meat.


Of course we can. Our closest relatives (the chimps) eat raw meat from hunted antelope and monkeys. We can do the same, especially if we use tools.

I personally love raw meat and fish. (Steak tartar and sashimi)

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Of course we can. Our closest relatives (the chimps) eat raw meat from hunted antelope and monkeys. We can do the same, especially if we use tools.

I personally love raw meat and fish. (Steak tartar and sashimi)

Our guts are too long and we lack the acids to properly digest the food.

That is why we have to cook our meat to properly digest it. It is a form of pre-digestion.

[super cool ski instructor]

I have had a soy 'steak'.

It does not compare. It's a different planet.

Ewww...that does not even sound good! Why would you even TRY that???? No chick is worth that!

[Joeybear23]

Our guts are too long and we lack the acids to properly digest the food.

That is why we have to cook our meat to properly digest it. It is a form of pre-digestion.

Actually, we digest raw meats better than cooked meats. The only reason we cook it is because of the worry of disease...

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Actually, we digest raw meats better than cooked meats.

Citation?

[Snagglepuss]

I have had a soy 'steak'.

It does not compare. It's a different planet.Different universe....

[Yunari]

I would gladly date one if she wasn't going to criticize me about my eating habits, as I would not do to her. I would accommodate her, and ask that she accommodate me.

I think the militant vegans and the militant omnivores who attack each other and say all the nasty unwarranted things about each other are all fools.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I would gladly date one if she wasn't going to criticize me about my eating habits, as I would not do to her. I would accommodate her, and ask that she accommodate me.

I think the militant vegans and the militant omnivores who attack each other and say all the nasty unwarranted things about each other are all fools.

A voice of reason.

[super cool ski instructor]

I also cannot see myself buying 2 sets of groceries...it gets expensive to buy both eggs and egg substitute, meat and tofu, cheese and whatever vegans eat in place of cheese...the list goes on and on and on.

[Joeybear23]

Citation?

The particular articles I am referring to are on pay-sites, but here is another article that references the results and concludes that for the best digestion and nutrition you should cook your vegetables and not your meats.

http://www.exploringwomanhood.com/mindbodysoul/health/optimum-nutrition.htm

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I also cannot see myself buying 2 sets of groceries...it gets expensive to buy both eggs and egg substitute, meat and tofu, cheese and whatever vegans eat in place of cheese...the list goes on and on and on.

Most vegans do not eat substitutes.

We eat meat and tofu all the time. Not at the same meal, mind you.

[Joeybear23]

I also cannot see myself buying 2 sets of groceries...it gets expensive to buy both eggs and egg substitute, meat and tofu, cheese and whatever vegans eat in place of cheese...the list goes on and on and on.

Veganism is unnatural, which is evidenced by the fact that every prepared vegan meal is done in such a way to appear and taste as close to a non-vegan meal as possible.

[Safiel]

Actually, we digest raw meats better than cooked meats. The only reason we cook it is because of the worry of disease...

I cook all the way to rare. :) Anything beyond rare is abuse of beef. :)

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

The particular articles I am referring to are on pay-sites, but here is another article that references the results and concludes that for the best digestion and nutrition you should cook your vegetables and not your meats.

http://www.exploringwomanhood.com/mindbodysoul/health/optimum-nutrition.htm

Thanks for the link.

That is a bit too crunchy for my tastes, though.

[VCaddy05]

Our guts are too long and we lack the acids to properly digest the food.

That is why we have to cook our meat to properly digest it. It is a form of pre-digestion.

Im pretty sure that we cook meats because of disease. I think its because our digestive system is so long and slow we are prone to disease, unlike animals who can put it in and squirt it out much faster then we do. I guess thats why when my dog eats he wants to go out within a few min.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I cook all the way to rare. :) Anything beyond rare is abuse of beef. :)

My last steak...

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Veganism is unnatural, which is evidenced by the fact that every prepared vegan meal is done in such a way to appear and taste as close to a non-vegan meal as possible.

I don't think you have had many vegan meals then.

At least not good ones.

[VCaddy05]

Veganism is unnatural, which is evidenced by the fact that every prepared vegan meal is done in such a way to appear and taste as close to a non-vegan meal as possible.

to tell you the truth (and I dispise the very idea of veganism for myself) I have a brother in law who has a business with his wife cooking nothing but vegan desserts. I have to say I would never know the difference. They were very good, however beyond that I would never want to eat a bean burger or any of that crap.

[Safiel]

Humans are omnivorous by nature. We would be unable to survive on a purely vegetarian diet in a natural state of affairs. Our small intestine is far to short to accommodate a vegetarian diet. Notice that all the Primates that are solely vegetarians have very large guts. This is to accommodate the long small intestine required to process a vegetarian diet efficiently. In a natural state, we would be eating primarily game animals, supplemented by small animals, insects and assorted fruits in season.

[Joeybear23]

to tell you the truth (and I dispise the very idea of veganism for myself) I have a brother in law who has a business with his wife cooking nothing but vegan desserts. I have to say I would never know the difference. They were very good, however beyond that I would never want to eat a bean burger or any of that crap.

Isn't sugar cane on the list of vegan-kosher plants?

[Joeybear23]

I don't think you have had many vegan meals then.

At least not good ones.

I have never knowingly eaten a vegan meal.
I do eat meatless meals fairly often, because I don't think it's healthy to eat meat in every meal...

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Isn't sugar cane on the list of vegan-kosher plants?

Some sugar is processed with bone char.

[VCaddy05]

Isn't sugar cane on the list of vegan-kosher plants?

couldnt tell ya, and dont really care. LOL, Ill let them worry about what they can and cant eat. Me im free to do as i please, and i like it.

[ChaosControl]

Meat eaters can be just as preachy as vegans...

[Safiel]

Sugar cane in its plant form is acceptable to Vegans. Processed sugar may or may not be, depending on the processing method. Also, some simply don't eat any processed foods for reasons unrelated to Veganism.

[Sinister Rouge]

My sister is a vegetarian, and some of those bean burgers are pretty good.
They make you fart a lot though.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

My sister is a vegetarian, and some of those bean burgers are pretty good.
They make you fart a lot though.

I farted so much when I was a vegan that I would often offend myself.

[Sinister Rouge]

I farted so much when I was a vegan that I would often offend myself.


That's reason enough right there not to date a vegan.
I know every body farts once in a while, but when a your girlfriend does it, it does take away some of the magic.

[BiscoHeadx818]

:think:
I never thought of it that way. So, vegans are helping to accelerate man made global warming by eating things that inhale CO2 while the rest of us are fighting global warming by eating things that expel CO2. Looks to me like there needs to be a special "Vegetarian Tax".

the problem with this is factory farms. meat eaters require large farms to supply everyone with food, and all of those animals are releasing methane (which is worse for global warming then CO2), and then their food is plants that consume CO2. so these farms are probably worse then the environment then a vegan eating CO2 consuming plants

[Claymore]

Oooooh, ihave soooo many good lines to use, but i can't.

[newyorkjetsfan]

Ok, if the woman is hot enough, I MIGHT date a vegan. But, she have to rip a burger off of my cold dead hands if I become a vegan!!!!

[Safiel]

the problem with this is factory farms. meat eaters require large farms to supply everyone with food, and all of those animals are releasing methane (which is worse for global warming then CO2), and then their food is plants that consume CO2. so these farms are probably worse then the environment then a vegan eating CO2 consuming plants

My company, among many others, are working hard on the issue of recapturing this methane, for productive use.

[Apatriot]

Our guts are too long and we lack the acids to properly digest the food.

That is why we have to cook our meat to properly digest it. It is a form of pre-digestion.

I don't buy that at all. It's all vegetarian propaganda.

Our closest relatives the chimps eat raw meat whenever possible. THey don't cook meat, yet they like the meat for nutritional reasons.

The only thing in the literature I can find that is against eating raw meat is based on food poisoning, not on gut length/acids or predigestion. Yes, we are not designed to eat only raw meat. However, raw meat can be quite safe when eaten as part of an omnivorous diet.

[Apatriot]

Citation?

Please cite info for your claim (that our guts are too long, and that we need to predigest meat by cooking) first.

[Apatriot]

to tell you the truth (and I dispise the very idea of veganism for myself) I have a brother in law who has a business with his wife cooking nothing but vegan desserts. I have to say I would never know the difference. They were very good, however beyond that I would never want to eat a bean burger or any of that crap.


I don't mind black bean burgers. They taste like black beans. It's the ones that actually pretend to be meat that I don't like.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I don't buy that at all. It's all vegetarian propaganda.

Our closest relatives the chimps eat raw meat whenever possible. THey don't cook meat, yet they like the meat for nutritional reasons.

The only thing in the literature I can find that is against eating raw meat is based on food poisoning, not on gut length/acids or predigestion. Yes, we are not designed to eat only raw meat. However, raw meat can be quite safe when eaten as part of an omnivorous diet.

Meat is 3% of their diet.

http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html

[Apatriot]

Meat is 3% of their diet.

http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html


Please read for comprehension. From the above article:
and meat composes only about 3% of the time they spent eating overall

Time spent eating meat is not a measure of the % of their diet.

Also the article states that chimps average about 65 grams of meat per day during the dry season. That is about 2.3 oz, which, when adjusted for body weight, about what we are recommended to eat for minimum protein needs. (average adult chimp weights about 50 kg or 100 lbs).

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Please read for comprehension. From the above article:


Time spent eating meat is not a measure of the % of their diet.

Also the article states that chimps average about 65 grams of meat per day during the dry season. That is about 2.3 oz, which, when adjusted for body weight, about what we are recommended to eat for minimum protein needs. (average adult chimp weights about 50 kg or 100 lbs).

I have more important things to do.

Besides you read it for me for free. Paying my staff would be cost prohibitive.

[-American-]

Nope, everything I've ever read about the Vegan diet indicates it isn't healthy. Most Vegans that I've come across on the internet are out there radicals.

[Paul-w]

Never trust a woman who can't handle a piece of meat ;)

[ConstitutionHugger]

Meat is 3% of their diet.

http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html (http://www-rcf.usc.edu/%7Estanford/chimphunt.html)

If Veggies only make up 3% of my diet does that make me a Meatan?

I have yet to see a healthy looking Vegan, or Vegitarian in real life

[Safiel]

As I stated in my earlier post, the biggest indicator of man's true dietary nature is the comparatively short length of our small intestine. Without the assistance of cooking and without dietary aids, man could not survive on a vegetable diet. Our small intestine is simply not capable of processing vegetable matter.

If we were in a natural state, we would be eating game animals as our primary food source, supplemented by small animals <rats, birds and such>, insects <termites, roaches, etc> and assorted fruits when available. Perhaps also certain roots when available. But they would be supplementary to game animals as our primary source.

Mankind is by nature an omnivore. We could survive in a natural state on a purely carnivorous diet, although an omnivorous diet as described is more likely. But we could not survive on a natural vegetable diet in a fully natural condition. We are simply not equipped to digest it.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

If Veggies only make up 3% of my diet does that make me a Meatan?

I have yet to see a healthy looking Vegan, or Vegitarian in real life

I was much healthier when I was on a vegan diet.

I just farted all the time. Constantly

[-American-]

Actually studies have shown that vegans live longer and are less likely to get certain diseases, including cancer.

Could you post links to these studies? I've never read a study from a medical doctor telling everyone to go Vegan.

[DavidC]

How do you figure that?

Look at your own teeth, your incisors. You are a mammal, a predator born with cutting teeth. Your canine fangs were not meant for salads. EAT MEAT. Do as you were born to do.

Conservatism is a natural state of being. Liberalism ain't natural and fights against the natural state at every turn.


You can hang on to all those animal habit/things, but srsly you don't need to. It's just habit. All just programming. No need to think , "oh incisors...it's natural----" Ive been veggie then vegan for 45 years. No big deal. The idea of eating meat becomes foreign and sort of like you, in a past animal lifetime.

Incisors have nothing to do with it. Just a throwback. You wouldn't use some other animal vestigial behavior or body part as an excuse for animal behavior.....not hitting people over the head with clubs or being cannibalistic would you?

Meat makes you die sooner.
You feel better physically and don't get all that female hormones and antibiotics they put in it. In no time anyone with a hairbredth amount of discipline can kick the meat habit if they want and in no time, you forget about it and don't miss it at all. No loss, just gain. Even favorite recipes can be duplicated.

[DavidC]

As I stated in my earlier post, the biggest indicator of man's true dietary nature is the comparatively short length of our small intestine. Without the assistance of cooking and without dietary aids, man could not survive on a vegetable diet. Our small intestine is simply not capable of processing vegetable matter.

If we were in a natural state, we would be eating game animals as our primary food source, supplemented by small animals <rats, birds and such>, insects <termites, roaches, etc> and assorted fruits when available. Perhaps also certain roots when available. But they would be supplementary to game animals as our primary source.

Mankind is by nature an omnivore. We could survive in a natural state on a purely carnivorous diet, although an omnivorous diet as described is more likely. But we could not survive on a natural vegetable diet in a fully natural condition. We are simply not equipped to digest it.



This idea of "natural" is a myth. Vestigial. And your idea of cooking and digestion is entirely made up by some silly carnivore. Actually reality is, it's perfectly wonderful to not eat meant. Your references to cooking....do you often go out hunting and bite the jugular and eat them warm?


Sryly this old logic is pretty farcical to a long time Veggie/Vegan. it's like when people where inventing trains, Scientists at the time, said our lungs would collapse over 50 miles per hour or something ridiculous.


:naughty:

[Constantine the Great]

I'm sorry David but there is absoluely nothing on this planet that could replace the wonderful goodness that is filet mignon.


+1 ad infinitum

[putputpanorama]

I was much healthier when I was on a vegan diet.

I just farted all the time. Constantly

I've heard that before.

A vegan that was mad about CO2 emmisions.

Kinda counterproductive I thought.

[khigh]

Sugar cane in its plant form is acceptable to Vegans. Processed sugar may or may not be, depending on the processing method. Also, some simply don't eat any processed foods for reasons unrelated to Veganism.

Jaggery is a good sugar substitute, but you can only find it at Indian markets and some larger Asian grocery stores. Only good for cooking, not coffee or anything like that. It comes in a block and you shave off what you need.

[Sinister Rouge]

I had a vegetarian lunch today, it felt good.

[ConstitutionHugger]

I was much healthier when I was on a vegan diet.

I just farted all the time. Constantly

Some folks are different. My Wife was having digestive problems and she eats meat but not nearly as much as I. She started eating similarly to me (in much smaller portions, naturally since she is half my size) and her digestive problems went away. Part of it could be that most of the meat I eat is deer meat since it is much leaner and cheaper than beef and the possibilities are endless. Sort of like the shrimp in Forrest Gump. We have deer sausage (wonderful), we grill deer steaks like many people do beef steaks. I believe it is much higher in protein since I haven't lifted weights in over a year and have still retained much of my muscle mass and strength, that I had when I was lifting.

Besides I don't think I could live on a diet that consisted of less than 60% meat minimum. I do eat salads but they usually have a pound of meat and a quarter pound of veggies

[DavidC]

super cool ski instructor
I'm sorry David but there is absoluely nothing on this planet that could replace the wonderful goodness that is filet mignon.


Strangly I can recall their taste anytime I wish. I grew up in my father's Prime Rib and Steakhouse business. Chop Chop.

Doesn't matter. i have a cat that will only eat 1 type of Fancy Feast, Cod, Sole and Shrimp. That's the animal Kingdom for you.

I like to think of people as higher then animals, that's all.

[DavidC]

Honestly, the only thing I miss, from my childhood meat eating, is fishing. If a safe lure was designed I'd fish like the old days, catch some Strippers and keep them as pets.

[Claymore]

Honestly, the only thing I miss, from my childhood meat eating, is fishing. If a safe lure was designed I'd fish like the old days, catch some Strippers and keep them as pets.


If I brought home some strippers after a day out fishing, my wife would kick my butt for sure!:shifty:

[ThrowCop]

Please cite info for your claim (that our guts are too long, and that we need to predigest meat by cooking) first.It's from this (http://books.google.com/books?id=6mxZ1hNBHgkC&pg=PA308&lpg=PA308&dq=%22The+Cooking+Enigma%22&source=bl&ots=CJXQqWM5CP&sig=b2CQ14Gveyh-qRmzIuvKsnfYD4o&hl=en&ei=PaMGS4KgC4mmnQfakP3GCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Cooking%20Enigma%22&f=false)book. I have read the same thing elsewhere. Basically, being able to cook food helped us evolve.

[Mojotiger]

Honestly, the only thing I miss, from my childhood meat eating, is fishing. If a safe lure was designed I'd fish like the old days, catch some Strippers and keep them as pets.

What kind of safe lure will catch strippers? And do they get mad when you throw them back?

[ThrowCop]

What kind of safe lure will catch strippers? And do they get mad when you throw them back?http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/fishing_for_money-742564.jpg

[Apatriot]

It's from this (http://books.google.com/books?id=6mxZ1hNBHgkC&pg=PA308&lpg=PA308&dq=%22The+Cooking+Enigma%22&source=bl&ots=CJXQqWM5CP&sig=b2CQ14Gveyh-qRmzIuvKsnfYD4o&hl=en&ei=PaMGS4KgC4mmnQfakP3GCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Cooking%20Enigma%22&f=false)book. I have read the same thing elsewhere. Basically, being able to cook food helped us evolve.


Well, I've read that our teeth/jaws have probably atrophied from eating cooked foods, but never that we can't process it. I don't doubt that cooked food is easier to digest, I just think that we can process raw food fairly well. I can't recall ever having anything wierd in terms of digesting after eating either sushi or steak tartar.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

What kind of safe lure will catch strippers? And do they get mad when you throw them back?

Look them in the eyes and treat them like human beings.

The minute you throw money at them you become just another walking cash register.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I could date a vegan provided that:

a) she didn't try to push her goofy dietary habits on me

b) she didn't have that corpse pallor many vegans develop.

ETA: c) she isn't one of those crunchy hippie chicks.

[CaffeineHat]

Look them in the eyes and treat them like human beings.

The minute you throw money at them you become just another walking cash register.
Conversation helps too. Seriously, talking nicely. Striking up a little chat. I've been told it's a charming trait.:redface:

[Dragon1963]

Conversation helps too. Seriously, talking nicely. Striking up a little chat. I've been told it's a charming trait.:redface:

Chat works wonders with strippers. I met my two lady friends when they still worked as strippers. They've both since quit the profession.

[Dragon1963]

I don't know if I could date a vegan. While I like thin women; I don't like them emaciated. Most vegans, men and women, I've met look like they've been starving themselves.

Personally I think vegans have self esteem issues.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Chat works wonders with strippers. I met my two lady friends when they still worked as strippers. They've both since quit the profession.

They stalk me like an antelope. It's creepy.

[Ninjacorpse]

They stalk me like an antelope. It's creepy.

Are antelope a predatory species? :think:

[Sinister Rouge]

I could date a vegan provided that:

a) she didn't try to push her goofy dietary habits on me

b) she didn't have that corpse pallor many vegans develop.

ETA: c) she isn't one of those crunchy hippie chicks.


I would add d) she doesn't fart all the time.



Conversation helps too. Seriously, talking nicely. Striking up a little chat. I've been told it's a charming trait.:redface:

My girlfriend took me to my first strip club. I think she ended up spending more money than I did... For a while, she and her friend were sitting in the back while I was at the stage, and she said I kept looking over my shoulder at her, like I was expecting her to be ****ed. (I was hammered that night.)

[Claymore]

Vegan! Oh heck, I thought you said virgin.:shifty:

[Sinister Rouge]

Vegan! Oh heck, I thought you said virgin.:shifty:



You think the mods would allow a thread like that?
I think it would be an interesting topic.

[Claymore]

You think the mods would allow a thread like that?
I think it would be an interesting topic.


If you look at the post counts of some mods, youn might wonder if they ever have time for anything o6ther than these forums,,,,,:shifty:

Not pointing any fingers, just saying.

[DavidC]

Shucks, did I say I missed fishing for "Strippers?" A Vegereundian Slip.

Ah yeah...guess I did.......meant Stripers.

Those convicts that paint the lines on the roadkill.

http://www.stripers247.com/

[Sinister Rouge]

If you look at the post counts of some mods, youn might wonder if they ever have time for anything o6ther than these forums,,,,,:shifty:

Not pointing any fingers, just saying.


I imagine it's a tough business answering all those "retread?" posts in TTTM.

But still, think that topic would fly? I'm aware that as a liberal, I'm on thin ice on these boards.