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BrittleBullet

November 13th, 2009, 3:46 am

alexz2317

November 13th, 2009, 8:14 am

Hopefully if he was traded to the Yankers, they packaged Willis or Robertson in the trade to get rid of those crappy contracts.

super cool ski instructor

November 13th, 2009, 9:11 am

Okay seriously...I opened GIT and saw a preview of the Sports forum and the first thing I saw was "Curtis Granderson traded..." and I had a heart attack!!!!!!

Then I opened Sports forum and saw that it is not anything official.....BrittleBullet I outta take you out back and pistol whip you!!!!!

iamredbeard

November 13th, 2009, 10:53 am

BrittleBullet

November 13th, 2009, 12:23 pm

BrittleBullet

November 13th, 2009, 12:28 pm

The Tigers website has addressed this. http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091112&content_id=7658470&vkey=news_det&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

Personally I doubt that he'll be involved in any trade this off-season.

I would wager that he stays but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened.

What makes me bet against a trade happening is that he is one of the couple good contracts the teams has and one of the players that will make an impact in 2011 (after the 2010 season) when all the bad contracts come off the books.

I think DD is fishing for a team that will overpay for Granderson's services along with taking on one of the crummy contracts the team has.

BrittleBullet

November 13th, 2009, 12:30 pm

Hopefully if he was traded to the Yankers, they packaged Willis or Robertson in the trade to get rid of those crappy contracts.

If we get lucky, maybe Willis and Robertson.

Beccaria

November 13th, 2009, 12:49 pm

Ugh... get rid of Granderson? You don't make a team better by ridding it of one of the more productive members!

iamredbeard

November 16th, 2009, 2:33 pm

Looks like there have been some talks with the Angels regarding Grandy. http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091113&content_id=7664414&vkey=news_det&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

Dr. Funkenstein

November 16th, 2009, 3:02 pm

iamredbeard

November 16th, 2009, 4:58 pm

Dr. Funkenstein

November 16th, 2009, 6:21 pm

While I agree that Granderson strikes out to much, I disagree with you about his fielding. He is better than average in that regard. He consistently makes great plays, which is not an easy task considering how much ground he has to cover at Comerica Park.
He's 53rd among outfielders with at least 500 innings played this season in UZR/150 (a measure of how many runs a fielder saves/allows per 150 games, as related to the "average" fielder). His UZR was 1.6. He's an average outfielder at this point, and a guy who relies on his legs as much as Granderson does can only go downhill at this point.

David Wright makes a lot of Web Gems too, but he's absolutely wretched otherwise with a glove on his hand. He should be playing first, but the Mets have no one else to handle third (though I have to admit it'd be entertaining to see Fernando Tatis back on the hot corner again ;) )

iamredbeard

November 16th, 2009, 11:12 pm

He's 53rd among outfielders with at least 500 innings played this season in UZR/150 (a measure of how many runs a fielder saves/allows per 150 games, as related to the "average" fielder). His UZR was 1.6. He's an average outfielder at this point, and a guy who relies on his legs as much as Granderson does can only go downhill at this point.

David Wright makes a lot of Web Gems too, but he's absolutely wretched otherwise with a glove on his hand. He should be playing first, but the Mets have no one else to handle third (though I have to admit it'd be entertaining to see Fernando Tatis back on the hot corner again ;) )

All I know is that Grandy routinely makes amazing plays in Comerica's spacious CF. Which is why I say that he is an above average fielder.

iamredbeard

November 16th, 2009, 11:33 pm

Granderson finished third in the fielding Bible award voting for Centerfielders. At least one group of experts think he is a darn good fielder. http://www.fieldingbible.com/

Dr. Funkenstein

November 17th, 2009, 7:52 am

All I know is that Grandy routinely makes amazing plays in Comerica's spacious CF. Which is why I say that he is an above average fielder.
I understand why you think that. It's easy to think that because he does make great plays. And I knew about the fielding bible award voting...the problem there is exactly the same problem I have with the Gold Gloves...maybe three of those voters look at numbers deeper than fielding percentage.

Another issue I have there is Hal Richman voted Torii Hunter #1...and it's not 2004.

Like I said...fielding statistics are not the be-all, end-all of determining who's a good fielder any more than batting average determines who's a good hitter. There's obviously a "you have to see it" element to the judgement. But Granderson's fielding has slipped as much as his hitting, and as he reaches 30 his speed is going to betray him sooner or later. I'd bet within 3 years he's not even a viable option as a center fielder.

iamredbeard

November 17th, 2009, 11:57 am

I understand why you think that. It's easy to think that because he does make great plays. And I knew about the fielding bible award voting...the problem there is exactly the same problem I have with the Gold Gloves...maybe three of those voters look at numbers deeper than fielding percentage.

Another issue I have there is Hal Richman voted Torii Hunter #1...and it's not 2004.

Like I said...fielding statistics are not the be-all, end-all of determining who's a good fielder any more than batting average determines who's a good hitter. There's obviously a "you have to see it" element to the judgement. But Granderson's fielding has slipped as much as his hitting, and as he reaches 30 his speed is going to betray him sooner or later. I'd bet within 3 years he's not even a viable option as a center fielder.

You maybe be right about his future at CF. Not that long ago we tried an experiment to put him at LF, to get some time to a young prospect at CF, but he went to Florida in the Cabrera trade. I watch almost all of the Tiger games, I see Grandy on a regular basis make great play in CF and rarely see catchable balls drop in on him and this is at the spacious Comerica Park, the same is not true of our corner outfielders. While I won't say that he got robbed in the golden glove awards, I will say that he is in one of the better fielding CF's out there.

Thor

November 17th, 2009, 12:15 pm

That's the rumor anyway. Apparently a few other teams are also interested.
EJ is supposedly also on the block.
Because of all the ****ty contracts DD has has handed out, the Tigers have to unload someone who is arguably the face of the franchise.
What do ya'll think?
Personally, if the Tigers traded Grandy, I would be ****ed and I would probably cry, but eventually I would get over it.
Now, if he was traded to the Yankees, I'll consider boycotting the Tigers in 2010.

I think you're jumping the gun here. Granderson strikes out way too much and can't hit lefties. Not a good thing when you play in Yankee Stadium and the opposition throws every lefty they can dig up. Plus, that sub-.250 batting average isn't exactly attractive. I'll be surprised if the Yanks deal for Grandy. Especially considering what the Tigers will want in return.

scmarcos

November 17th, 2009, 12:19 pm

I understand why you think that. It's easy to think that because he does make great plays. And I knew about the fielding bible award voting...the problem there is exactly the same problem I have with the Gold Gloves...maybe three of those voters look at numbers deeper than fielding percentage.

Another issue I have there is Hal Richman voted Torii Hunter #1...and it's not 2004.

Like I said...fielding statistics are not the be-all, end-all of determining who's a good fielder any more than batting average determines who's a good hitter. There's obviously a "you have to see it" element to the judgement. But Granderson's fielding has slipped as much as his hitting, and as he reaches 30 his speed is going to betray him sooner or later. I'd bet within 3 years he's not even a viable option as a center fielder.

I think we can reasonably assume that a lot of these voters pick based on highlights and reputation. Plus a guy like Torii Hunter is a class act and people, especially the media, just lap it up.

The main criteria seems to be if you are average in the field, can hit the ball, and are a bigger name player.

Dr. Funkenstein

November 17th, 2009, 12:21 pm

I think you're jumping the gun here. Granderson strikes out way too much and can't hit lefties. Not a good thing when you play in Yankee Stadium and the opposition throws every lefty they can dig up. Plus, that sub-.250 batting average isn't exactly attractive. I'll be surprised if the Yanks deal for Grandy. Especially considering what the Tigers will want in return.
His issues with lefties would be more of a problem if he was playing AGAINST the Yankees 19 times a year, but the rest of the AL East isn't great as far as southpaws. Lester is good, Price is talented but still young, and Romero is inconsistent.

scmarcos

November 17th, 2009, 12:33 pm

Good god I didn't realize his splits were THAT bad against lefties.

BrittleBullet

November 17th, 2009, 1:43 pm

I think you're jumping the gun here. Granderson strikes out way too much and can't hit lefties. Not a good thing when you play in Yankee Stadium and the opposition throws every lefty they can dig up. Plus, that sub-.250 batting average isn't exactly attractive. I'll be surprised if the Yanks deal for Grandy. Especially considering what the Tigers will want in return.

I'm actually skeptical of Granderson being traded. It was more of shock that the Tigers would even consider trading somebody as loved as Grandy is in Detroit.

BrittleBullet

November 17th, 2009, 2:00 pm

1. Granderson's been getting worse the last two years. He strikes out too much for a leadoff guy, his defense is pretty average (not a good thing in a park with as large an outfield as Comerica), and he's on the hook for significant money.

2. The main prospect being discussed (Jackson) is just about major-league ready, and would be under Detroit's control for six years, the first three at major-league minimum. A trade here would also allow Detroit some flexibility to pick up arms in trades down the stretch.

The decline the last two years isn't as significant as people make it out to be. He had a career year in 2007, the average slipped in 2008, and 2009 he seemed too enamored with the long ball. I'm only speculating, but perhaps Grandy was trying to put some runs on the board himself since the rest of the lineup didn't want to. Besides, Grandy is a leadoff guy by default. If he went to another team with an established leadoff guy, he'd be hitting closer to the middle of the lineup, where he belongs. In regard to the money owed to Grandy, considering what he's worth, he's cheap. Supposedly, he's worth 19.4 million.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-granderson-rumor/

iamredbeard

November 17th, 2009, 3:02 pm

I'm actually skeptical of Granderson being traded. It was more of shock that the Tigers would even consider trading somebody as loved as Grandy is in Detroit.

I don't think Grandy is going anywhere either. What seems the bigger issue to me, is if Polonco is going to be back next year or if they are going to let Sizemore play second and who is going to be at shortstop. I like Santiago's glove, but I keep hearing how he is starting material.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 2:47 pm

I come bearing bad news ESPN's ticker at the bottom of the screen saysy that the Yankees are close to acquiring Granderson. :(

scmarcos

December 8th, 2009, 2:49 pm

Thought it was official. Schezerer and Jackson going to the Tigers.

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 2:51 pm

Thought it was official. Schezerer and Jackson going to the Tigers.
Tigers are getting a good haul if they get Max Scherzer and Austin Jackson out of it.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 2:54 pm

Purperov

December 8th, 2009, 2:58 pm

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:03 pm

Here are some links about the probable trade.

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091208&content_id=7774288&vkey=news_det&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725108

I don't like it at all. :(
Schlereth, Coke, A-Jax and Scherzer, and you're unhappy with it?

Jackson is ready to start now. Coke is a good lefty in the 'pen, and can replace Seay (who's a free agent). Scherzer can start or relieve and has NASTY stuff, and Schlereth looks like a keeper too.

The Tigers win in this deal...

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:05 pm

Done deal.

Love the trade personnel wise. Hate it from the perspective that Granderson is a role model in every way to young kids. His work with youths in the metro area is off the charts remarkable.

Well I don't like it. Grandy is one of my favorite players and I don't want to see him leave. Looks like the team is being torn apart in order to rebuild it. Polanco gone, Thames gone , looks like Grandy and Jackson is gone.

scmarcos

December 8th, 2009, 3:06 pm

Tigers are getting a good haul if they get Max Scherzer and Austin Jackson out of it.

Not sure the Tigers didn't buy high on Jackson and Sell low on Granderson, still and okay deal that cut salary for the Tigers.

I am one of the few that thinks the D'backs may have gotten the best part of this deal.

Yankees gave up a lot but got themselves a starting OF who is still young, and opened up space on the 40 man roster to sign some guys with.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:06 pm

Schlereth, Coke, A-Jax and Scherzer, and you're unhappy with it?

Jackson is ready to start now. Coke is a good lefty in the 'pen, and can replace Seay (who's a free agent). Scherzer can start or relieve and has NASTY stuff, and Schlereth looks like a keeper too.

The Tigers win in this deal...

Well I hope your right, I just love Grandy and hate to see him go. :(

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:11 pm

Not sure the Tigers didn't buy high on Jackson and Sell low on Granderson, still and okay deal that cut salary for the Tigers.

I am one of the few that thinks the D'backs may have gotten the best part of this deal.

Yankees gave up a lot but got themselves a starting OF who is still young, and opened up space on the 40 man roster to sign some guys with.

It doesn't cut that much salary Jackson and Granderson weren't going to make that much next year. Our high salary players that aren't producing are Maggs, Bonderman, and Willis. Granderson will be making a tlo of money later as his contract is backloaded, but he won't be making a huge amount in 2010.

scmarcos

December 8th, 2009, 3:11 pm

It doesn't cut that much salary Jackson and Granderson weren't going to make that much next year. Our high salary players that aren't producing are Maggs, Bonderman, and Willis. Granderson will be making a tlo of money later as his contract is backloaded, but he won't be making a huge amount in 2010.

Still making more than probably everyone they got in this trade combined over the life of the contract.

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:12 pm

Not sure the Tigers didn't buy high on Jackson and Sell low on Granderson, still and okay deal that cut salary for the Tigers.

From the perspective of what they're spending, they bought quite low on everyone in the deal (all are at least two years from arbitration and five from full free agency), and sold very high on Granderson (whose contract gives him a big bump this year)

I am one of the few that thinks the D'backs may have gotten the best part of this deal.

Yankees gave up a lot but got themselves a starting OF who is still young, and opened up space on the 40 man roster to sign some guys with.

You think Kennedy and E. Jackson are the best part of the deal?

NY's been trying to off-load Kennedy since they found out he couldn't pitch in NY, and Jackson's had one average season and one good season. He COULD be great, but let's not forget how much of a pitcher's park Comerica is compared to Chase Field.

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:13 pm

For Tigers fans this is a huge blow. We are emotionally invested in Curtis Granderson and he is one of the most city-wide loved players to play for the Tigers since Al Kaline.

Purperov

December 8th, 2009, 3:15 pm

Does this put Damon on the bus out of town?

scmarcos

December 8th, 2009, 3:17 pm

From the perspective of what they're spending, they bought quite low on everyone in the deal (all are at least two years from arbitration and five from full free agency), and sold very high on Granderson (whose contract gives him a big bump this year)

You think Kennedy and E. Jackson are the best part of the deal?

NY's been trying to off-load Kennedy since they found out he couldn't pitch in NY, and Jackson's had one average season and one good season. He COULD be great, but let's not forget how much of a pitcher's park Comerica is compared to Chase Field.

On the buying low and high, I didn't mean monetarily I meant both production and hype. I think A. Jackson is a bit overrated because he is a Yankees prospect. He strikes out entirely too much and has pretty much no power. Not sure he is projected to get much more either. I also don't see him as much of a burner, although he has a good amount of speed, never really killed it on the basepaths.

I think the D'Backs upgraded best for what they gave up.

No one has to lose a trade. It's about filling needs.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:19 pm

For Tigers fans this is a huge blow. We are emotionally invested in Curtis Granderson and he is one of the most city-wide loved players to play for the Tigers since Al Kaline.

I wouldn't go that far, there was a lot of love for a bunch of Tigers in the 80's. It would be a stretch to say Gibby, Sweet Low, Trammel, Morris and the Big Wheel were all loved just as much if not more than Grandy.

Purperov

December 8th, 2009, 3:21 pm

Early prediction on Granderson #'s in Yankee stadium:

BA: .305
HITS: 187
2B's: 25
3B's 15
HR 35
RBI 93
BB's: 50
SB's: 27

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:29 pm

I wouldn't go that far, there was a lot of love for a bunch of Tigers in the 80's. It would be a stretch to say Gibby, Sweet Low, Trammel, Morris and the Big Wheel were all loved just as much if not more than Grandy.

Sure..all of those players were greatly loved. But around the city there is an almost cult-like following that Grandy has.

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:31 pm

Sure..all of those players were greatly loved. But around the city there is an almost cult-like following that Grandy has.
To say nothing of the personal altar Ski keeps for Grandy in her bedroom closet...;)

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:34 pm

Early prediction on Granderson #'s in Yankee stadium:

BA: .305
HITS: 187
2B's: 25
3B's 15
HR 35
RBI 93
BB's: 50
SB's: 27
OBP: .305
Hits: 165
2B: 40
3B: 5 (Yankee Stadium isn't very triple-friendly...it's small and doesn't have the weird angles that places like Chase Field and Citizen's Bank Park have).
HR: 20
RBI: 75
BB: 50
SB: 20

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:36 pm

Sure..all of those players were greatly loved. But around the city there is an almost cult-like following that Grandy has.

Yeah Grandy has much love, more than anyone else on the team, but I still say that it's a stretch to say that he was more loved than anyone since Mr. Tiger.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:38 pm

To say nothing of the personal altar Ski keeps for Grandy in her bedroom closet...;)

Actually that would be Polly.

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:38 pm

Actually that would be Polly.
That's her entire basement...

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:40 pm

Sigh...and I have a room entirely devoted to Inge too......

BrittleBullet

December 8th, 2009, 3:40 pm

Supposedly we got the better end of the deal but losing Grandy still makes me :((!

Purperov

December 8th, 2009, 3:41 pm

OBP: .305
Hits: 165
2B: 40
3B: 5 (Yankee Stadium isn't very triple-friendly...it's small and doesn't have the weird angles that places like Chase Field and Citizen's Bank Park have).
HR: 20
RBI: 75
BB: 50
SB: 20

He hit 32 HR's in Comerica. It'll be bombs away in the new Yankee stadium. He's got waaaay more power than Damon and will have tons more protection in the line-up. You may see 40 HR's. I agree with you on triples BTW.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:41 pm

That's her entire basement...

Ah, ok. I stand corrected, thanks. :)

Purperov

December 8th, 2009, 3:42 pm

Sigh...and I have a room entirely devoted to Inge too......

Does the power go out halfway through the year there as well;):)

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:42 pm

Sigh...and I have a room entirely devoted to Inge too......
Inge will be a good Met in a couple of years when they move Wright to first...:razz:

BrittleBullet

December 8th, 2009, 3:42 pm

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:42 pm

So now I not only have to have a new Tigers sig created because it featured Placido, but I now have to get a new Tigers avie as well....thanks Tigers for thinking of me during all of this :((

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:42 pm

Does the power go out halfway through the year there as well;):)
Best baseball joke I've seen in a while right there...

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:42 pm

Sigh...and I have a room entirely devoted to Inge too......

I thought you tore that room down when he said that not even Ted Williams could hit the pitches that he was getting.

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:43 pm

Does the power go out halfway through the year there as well;):)

Hey! Don't you be talking trash about my BI :mad:

BrittleBullet

December 8th, 2009, 3:44 pm

Inge will be a good Met in a couple of years when they move Wright to first...:razz:

Brandon Inge and the word good in the same sentence...

Kinda makes my head hurt.

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:44 pm

Inge will be a good Met in a couple of years when they move Wright to first...:razz:

Bite your damn tongue :snooty:

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:45 pm

OBP .305, lol?
It was .327 this year, and I'm pretty sure the temptation to swing for the short porch in right is going to cut down on his walk numbers.

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:45 pm

I thought you tore that room down when he said that not even Ted Williams could hit the pitches that he was getting.

He redeemed himself this year when he wore that mitt that was inscribed with that boy's name that did not get to meet him at the hospital....

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:46 pm

Bite your damn tongue :snooty:
<considering glib reply>

nah...

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:46 pm

So now I not only have to have a new Tigers sig created because it featured Placido, but I now have to get a new Tigers avie as well....thanks Tigers for thinking of me during all of this :((

I feel your pain, I am not happy about this postseason, although it has to be said that I won't have to change my sig. I went old school and went with a Whitaker and Trammell pic during their rookie year.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:50 pm

He redeemed himself this year when he wore that mitt that was inscribed with that boy's name that did not get to meet him at the hospital....

Good for you. He says some stupid things, but he has a great glove, a regular on "Baseball Tonight" and he has a heart of gold. He and his wife do so much work at the U of M hospital, pediatric wing.

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 3:50 pm

I'm just sad...the hits just keep on coming :cry:

BrittleBullet

December 8th, 2009, 3:50 pm

Predictions:

How many games in will it take for Yankee fans to boo Grandy?

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 3:51 pm

So now I not only have to have a new Tigers sig created because it featured Placido, but I now have to get a new Tigers avie as well....thanks Tigers for thinking of me during all of this :((
This is why I always go the "laundry route" with my sports avies...team logo, nothing more. Never have to worry about it when players leave.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:54 pm

Predictions:

How many games in will it take for Yankee fans to boo Grandy?

Not long, on another note, he is going to feel out of place, playing so many games in their small outfield.

BrittleBullet

December 8th, 2009, 3:58 pm

Can someone tell me why Austin Jackson is so hyped (besides being a Yankees prospect)?

His minor league numbers are good, but not spectacular.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 3:58 pm

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091208&content_id=7774288&vkey=news_det&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

Article is updated and it has a nice little box showing who is going to what teams. We lose an all-star pitcher, and a top notch CF, but get three pitchers and a high sought after prospect. Sure hope this works out, but as of right now I don't like it.

iamredbeard

December 8th, 2009, 4:01 pm

Can someone tell me why Austin Jackson is so hyped (besides being a Yankees prospect)?

His minor league numbers are good, but not spectacular.

I don't know, Sizemore is probably a better prospect and the talk is that he is favorite to win the job at 2nd next year.

Dr. Funkenstein

December 8th, 2009, 4:01 pm

Can someone tell me why Austin Jackson is so hyped (besides being a Yankees prospect)?

His minor league numbers are good, but not spectacular.
He's apparently as good a defensive OF as Granderson, and he plays smart. He's not the power thread that Granderson is, but he wasn't going to get run in NY because they value power over speed there.

scmarcos

December 8th, 2009, 4:47 pm

Can someone tell me why Austin Jackson is so hyped (besides being a Yankees prospect)?

His minor league numbers are good, but not spectacular.

True Dat! See my previous post. Publications like Baseball America routinely rate big market prospects higher than small market prospects. Jackson is a good prospect but he strikes out wayyyyyyyyyy too much.

That is a very good future indicator in my opinion.

Dual867PowerMac

December 8th, 2009, 6:00 pm

Dual867PowerMac

December 8th, 2009, 6:10 pm

It's a three-way trade between the Tigers, the Yankees, and the Diamondbacks.

Curtis Granderson goes to the Yankees
Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Max Scherzer, and Daniel Schlereth go to the Tigers
Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy go to the Diamondbacks

Stuball

December 8th, 2009, 6:38 pm

Curtis Granderson goes to the Yankees
Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Max Scherzer, and Daniel Schlereth go to the Tigers
Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy go to the Diamondbacks

Female CBS NY Sports anchor announces
Yankees get Granderson for Coke and Kennedy and I stare at TV (Then she takea cheap shot at Mets)
This makes more sense

Dual867PowerMac

December 8th, 2009, 6:57 pm

Female CBS NY Sports anchor announces
Yankees get Granderson for Coke and Kennedy and I stare at TV (Then she takea cheap shot at Mets)

This makes more sense
Mets suck! :clap:

super cool ski instructor

December 8th, 2009, 10:23 pm

Add Hank Greenberg to that list.

Well to be fair I said since Al Kaline......Greenberg played before Kaline ;)

Stuball

December 8th, 2009, 11:42 pm

Well to be fair I said since Al Kaline......Greenberg played before Kaline ;)
Al Kaline was so popular they named batteries after him:)

Dr. Funkenstein

December 9th, 2009, 10:29 am

Al Kaline was so popular they named batteries after him:)
I'm reporting you.

I don't care if puns aren't against TOS...that's just incivility towards comedy.

Dr. Funkenstein

December 9th, 2009, 10:35 am

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4725306&name=law_keith

(subscription required...if you get ESPN the Magazine, you're a subscriber to Insider too)

The Detroit Tigers come out the winner in this nearly completed three-team deal despite trading the two biggest names in the deal.

They would acquire two power arms from the Arizona Diamondbacks, as well as an inexpensive everyday centerfielder. Max Scherzer was better in 2009 than Edwin Jackson, with roughly the same velocity but more fastball life and a better slider. His delivery is rough and he's had shoulder problems on and off since college, but he hasn't yet had a serious injury and should stay in Detroit's rotation until those recur; if he's forced to the bullpen eventually, which I think is likely, he has the makings of a top-tier closer between his two plus pitches and a very aggressive approach. Lefty Dan Schlereth has a similarly violent delivery and had Tommy John surgery in college, but he has two plus pitches in his fastball and hard curveball (although it was harder in college and more slider-like), and he showed adequate control in a tiny major league sample.

From the Yankees, the Tigers would get a middle reliever in lefty Phil Coke, who had fringy stuff as a minor league starter but could help them as a second lefty from the 'pen, and an inexpensive everyday center fielder in Austin Jackson.

Jackson is a good-but-not-great athlete. He's an above-average runner, but not a burner; he's wiry, but the power that has been projected has yet to materialize. His game played up in the low minors because he controlled the strike zone well for a young, inexperienced hitter. His plate discipline has gotten worse as he's risen the ladder, and he may need a few years in the majors before he'll post acceptable OBPs. But he can handle center field defensively and should produce enough at the plate to be an asset even in 2010, during which he'd earn the minimum salary.

I agree with this...Edwin Jackson has had one good half-season (1st half '09) in his career, and one average season (2008). There's a reason the Dodgers let him walk for two average relievers in '06.

As for the perspective of the Diamondbacks, who I'm still really confused about here...

I have no idea what Arizona's motivation for this deal would be. Even with my long-standing concerns over Scherzer's delivery and on-and-off shoulder problems, I would rather have five years of his services than two years of Jackson's, since Jackson, despite the hot 2009 start and All-Star appearance, remains a back-end pitcher with No. 1 starter stuff -- but No. 5 starter command. He will light up the gun -- I saw him hit 99 mph twice in the seventh inning of a start in September of 2008 -- and he looks the part of a dominating staff ace, but he doesn't miss anywhere near enough bats with the fastball, which is pretty straight and which he tries to throw up in the zone too often.

His 2009 first half was the anomaly, as his slider got worse as the season went on, and his second-half fade (.290/.356/.500 line for opponents, yielding a 5.07 ERA) was much more in line with his career norms. He's also a fly ball pitcher moving to a pretty good home run park, as is Ian Kennedy, a fringe fifth starter whose command is above average but has to be plus (or better) for his fringe-fastball/average-changeup combination to work in the big leagues. (I liked Kennedy coming into 2008, but overrated his command.) Giving up five years of Scherzer and six of Schlereth is too much given what's coming back, especially for a club that's in more of a building mode than in immediate contention.

This deal does not make a lick of sense for Arizona.

scmarcos

December 9th, 2009, 12:27 pm

I think they are selling both Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy short. I also think they over rate Scherzer and Austin Jackson. Scherzer will end up as a BP guy. And Austin Jackson strikes out too much, isn't overly fast, and needs to play absolutely great center field to make up for it.

The D'backs traded two relievers for two starters.

iamredbeard

December 9th, 2009, 4:48 pm

Add Hank Greenberg to that list.

I've read about half a dozen books about Hammering Hank as well as two documentaries and the truth is that outside of the Jewish community he wasn't all that loved in Detroit, there was a lot of antisemitism in the area at the time.

iamredbeard

December 10th, 2009, 2:01 pm

iamredbeard

January 26th, 2010, 5:32 pm

Grandy says goodbye. http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100124&content_id=7962368&vkey=news_det&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

I am not happy that he is gone, but I still wish him the best. Gonna be hard to root against the Yanks with him roaming CF.

Long Island Bob

January 26th, 2010, 7:29 pm

I got a feeling that Grandy and NY won't get along. He has said on many occasions that he has no love for the Yanks. He's a classy guy and will try and make the best of a bad situation, but I don't think he'll be in NY long. Even if the Yanks don't trade him, I don't think he'll re-sign with them. My guess is that he'll end up going back to his home in Chicago and play there.

LOL

having people hate the yanks (or even yankees fans) comes with the territory. but this is the first time I have ever encounteredsome describing such a mindset as "classy."

I mean I've given Philly teams (and their ugly fans) no shortage of grief but I have never considered that a sign of "class."

iamredbeard

January 26th, 2010, 10:06 pm

LOL

having people hate the yanks (or even yankees fans) comes with the territory. but this is the first time I have ever encounteredsome describing such a mindset as "classy."

I mean I've given Philly teams (and their ugly fans) no shortage of grief but I have never considered that a sign of "class."

Granderson is all class. I've never heard anyone say otherwise about him. Yeah he wasn't happy about the trade and yeah he has said some stuff that he doesn't like NY, not the first time we have seen that happen. But being the person that he is he'll make the best out the situation. Who knows maybe he'll end up liking NY, but my guess is that when free agency hits that he'll go to Chicago where he grew up.