Shooting incident demonstrates the stupidity of gun control

[Safiel]

Having served myself, we are all aware of the generally draconian level of gun control in place on military reservations. And as we have just seen, military gun control has just the same results as civilian gun control. Those that want to go nuts ignore the law and those that obey the regulations and laws are sheep to the slaughter.

If some other officers or senior NCO's had been carrying sidearms, perhaps the slaughter might have ended in single digits.

You can't wait for the police or MP's to show up. You have to be able to defend yourself NOW.

[Reev]

We had officer arming day in the Air Force, always a scary day.

I don't see how this would be any different if it had been in an open carry state like OK. The same amount of people walk around with guns "legally" as on a Military base. The MPs are all armed, where were they?

I don't see this as a gun control issue IMO.

[Safiel]

We had officer arming day in the Air Force, always a scary day.

I don't see how this would be any different if it had been in an open carry state like OK. The same amount of people walk around with guns "legally" as on a Military base. The MPs are all armed, where were they?

I don't see this as a gun control issue IMO.

MP's are no different from civilian police. They are not exactly standing outside your front door while your being assaulted/robbed. They are not omnipresent. There needs to be a way for people to actively protect themselves.

[Reev]

MP's are no different from civilian police. They are not exactly standing outside your front door while your being assaulted/robbed. They are not omnipresent. There needs to be a way for people to actively protect themselves.

But an Army Base is a lot smaller then a typical city in the US. The response time of the MPs should be very low. How did the local police get there faster then the base police? 3 minutes it said on USA Today.

At my base in Japan you could not throw a stone without a hitting the Security Police, they were everywhere and that base was relatively large.

Now don't get me wrong I am by no means an advocate of gun control I am just saying in the case of a Military base the MPs should have a very fast response thus negating the need for everyone to walk around with guns.

[Democracyforall]

Statistically speaking, very few guns are used for self defense. It is overwhelmingly used for other purposes.

[SFC(R)L]

But an Army Base is a lot smaller then a typical city in the US. The response time of the MPs should be very low. How did the local police get there faster then the base police? 3 minutes it said on USA Today.

At my base in Japan you could not throw a stone without a hitting the Security Police, they were everywhere and that base was relatively large.

Now don't get me wrong I am by no means an advocate of gun control I am just saying in the case of a Military base the MPs should have a very fast response thus negating the need for everyone to walk around with guns.

Fort Hood is 350 square miles.

Fort Hood has a civilian police force that supplement our MP Brigade.

The first to arrive were civilian police, by chance.

[VCaddy05]

Statistically speaking, very few guns are used for self defense. It is overwhelmingly used for other purposes.

yea mostly hunting, but if you mean to commit crimes then lets let all those guys who are willing to use them for "other purposes" have all the guns. See how safe you sleep at night then.

[ALBOB2]

We had officer arming day in the Air Force, always a scary day.

I don't see how this would be any different if it had been in an open carry state like OK. The same amount of people walk around with guns "legally" as on a Military base. The MPs are all armed, where were they?

I don't see this as a gun control issue IMO.

These soldiers risk and GIVE their lives to protect the right guranteed by the Constitution. They are trusted with guns 24 hours a day, 365 days a year when they are in a combat zone. Why on Earth do you feel they shouldn't be trusted with the very rights they are protecting for the rest of us while they're at home???

I myself served 23 years in the U.S. Air Force. I have a Top Secret security clearance because I deal with nuclear operations. I also have concealed carry permits from two different states. My background has been checked as much as any human being's can be checked. The government trusts me with some of its most valuable secrets. Yet I'm not allowed to posess a firearm on a military base. Can't you see how absurdly moronic that is?

And as you SHOULD know; police, whether they be military or civilian, can only react AFTER a crime has been committed. By the time they get there it's too late. I realize it's cliche but, "When seconds count the police are only minutes away."

[sanscleverusername]

And as you SHOULD know; police, whether they be military or civilian, can only react AFTER a crime has been committed. By the time they get there it's too late. I realize it's cliche but, "When seconds count the police are only minutes away."

This is exactly what many poeple fail to understand. Police bear NO obligation to protect the individual from crime. That is the responsibility of the individual. Yet he is forced to do so unarmed. This is a gun control issue.

[PhantomPholly]

We had officer arming day in the Air Force, always a scary day.

I don't see how this would be any different if it had been in an open carry state like OK. The same amount of people walk around with guns "legally" as on a Military base. The MPs are all armed, where were they?

I don't see this as a gun control issue IMO.

Of course you don't.

[PhantomPholly]

But an Army Base is a lot smaller then a typical city in the US. The response time of the MPs should be very low.

Yep. Just enough time for a single shooter to kill 13 unarmed people, an unborn child, and wound dozens more.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...

[camarozz]

Yep. Just enough time for a single shooter to kill 13 unarmed people, an unborn child, and wound dozens more.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...

When seconds count, I pull my .40

[camarozz]

But an Army Base is a lot smaller then a typical city in the US. The response time of the MPs should be very low. How did the local police get there faster then the base police? 3 minutes it said on USA Today.

At my base in Japan you could not throw a stone without a hitting the Security Police, they were everywhere and that base was relatively large.

Now don't get me wrong I am by no means an advocate of gun control I am just saying in the case of a Military base the MPs should have a very fast response thus negating the need for everyone to walk around with guns.

Abroad on foreign soil, I can see having many Security Police, on domestic soil, that should not need to be the case.

[CaptPops]

Statistically speaking, very few guns are used for self defense. It is overwhelmingly used for other purposes.

Every time you conceal carry, you are using it for self defence.

[johnrocks]

As usual, you've nailed it Safiel.

[Creefer]

It is a shame that our best trained, supposedly most trusted, are left completely defenseless. How is it that they are entrusted to carry full automatic weapons, handle weapons of great destructive power, yet are unable to defend themselves in daily life in accordance with the second amendment. Truly shameful.