Oh boy, people you aren't going to believe this! Shooter advised Obama transition

[samurai7]

No I am NOT kidding!

Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force

NEW YORK – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.

The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.

Hasan received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University School in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

Noting that the Obama administration transition was proceeding, the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute report described on the first page the role of the Presidential Transition Task Force as including "representatives from past Administrations, State government, Fortune 500 companies, academia, research institutions and non-governmental organizations with global reach."

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre.

Kaniewski said Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not.

He further confirmed Hasan had attended several meetings held by the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University and that the institute is currently searching conference records to see if it is possible to determine what additional institute conferences he attended.

The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.

Hasan received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University School in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

Noting that the Obama administration transition was proceeding, the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute report described on the first page the role of the Presidential Transition Task Force as including "representatives from past Administrations, State government, Fortune 500 companies, academia, research institutions and non-governmental organizations with global reach."

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre.

Kaniewski said Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not.

He further confirmed Hasan had attended several meetings held by the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University and that the institute is currently searching conference records to see if it is possible to determine what additional institute conferences he attended.

According to the "About Us" section of the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute, the group is a "nonpartisan 'think and do' tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach."

The Homeland Security Policy Institute is led by Frank J Cilluffo, who formerly served in the White House as special assistant to President Bush for homeland security, and by Kaniewski, who formerly served in the White House as special assistant to President Bush for homeland security and senior director for response policy.

"Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor," Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 12, who were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I think I found out why Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Afghanistan, if THESE are the kinds of people advising him! :rolleyes:

But should this surprise anyone since Obama started his political career in the house of a terrorist???? What's one more terrorist if you are Obama?

But, OF COURSE, what happened at Ft. Hood WASN'T terrorism! Nooooooooooooo, of course it wasn't. It was just another isolated incident. Move on people. Nothing to see here.

:rolleyes:

[ModerateVoice]

egg on face for Bammy...

.........Homeland Security no less.

[BillBrown]

A major "under the rug" sweeping will take place. You can bet on it.

[ThrowCop]

For ****'s sake - is this really how you want to use this tragedy?

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I heard he and Obama were actually gay lovers.

[ExDem]

WOW. Unbelievable the way bammy is surrounded by extremists, isn't it?

[samurai7]

For ****'s sake - is this really how you want to use this tragedy?

Yeah, can't tell the truth about this!

:rolleyes:

[samurai7]

I heard he and Obama were actually gay lovers.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/Hemlock-Shomes/whoodooshame.jpg

Well that would be a good thing in the liberal world, right?


:))

[hwyflier]

Up until yesterday this guy was a doctor and a Major.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/Hemlock-Shomes/whoodooshame.jpg

Well that would be a good thing in the liberal world, right?


:))

I'm glad connecting this shooter to Obama pleases you so. Everyone should have some joy in their life, I'm glad you found yours.

[george kaplan]

For ****'s sake - is this really how you want to use this tragedy?

"use?" ... "tragedy?"

Come on, man.

Get real.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

No I am NOT kidding!



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I think I found out why Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Afghanistan, if THESE are the kinds of people advising him! :rolleyes:

But should this surprise anyone since Obama started his political career in the house of a terrorist???? What's one more terrorist if you are Obama?

But, OF COURSE, what happened at Ft. Hood WASN'T terrorism! Nooooooooooooo, of course it wasn't. It was just another isolated incident. Move on people. Nothing to see here.

:rolleyes:


Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not. :rolleyes:

[ka2008]

(attack the message....not the messenger)
(also in poor taste to do any jokes in a serious thread)
(the above is .. just friend to friend advice)
(thanks)

[Gengar]

WND? Excuse me while I don't believe a word that article says.

[samurai7]

Your, "truth" is seriously a seriously ****ed up version...


He was not an adviser according to your own linked story.

The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.

Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre.

Kaniewski said Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not.

He further confirmed Hasan had attended several meetings held by the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University and that the institute is currently searching conference records to see if it is possible to determine what additional institute conferences he attended.


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I give the evidence, and you are having a fit.

:)) :))

[samurai7]

WND? Excuse me while I don't believe a word that article says.

Yeah, better to believe the liberal media who were reporting Rush said slavery was good, without ANY evidence.

:))

[Gengar]

AW!!!!!!!!!!! Liberals are whining because I'M REPORTING SOME FACTS.

It's not like LYING about Bush or Rush like liberals have been doing for years. That's a good thing.

But telling the truth about Obama????? I should be ashamed. Only the lies Obama wants us to believe should be told.

:)) :))

WND is hardly a champion of fact.

But whatever. They are fabricating bad news for Obama, so whatever it is... no matter how outlandish and ridiculous it is, it's gotta be true! Especially if it involves a Muslim!

[samurai7]

Not so much blind ignorance as it is willful ignorance.

Yeah considering there were a LOT of warning signals from this guy and no one did anything about it, willful ignorance indeed!

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

WND? Excuse me while I don't believe a word that article says.

When did you become the Voice of Reason around here? I find myself agreeing with your posts so often it's disturbing. :lol:

[Czhorat]

AW!!!!!!!!!!! Liberals are whining because I'M REPORTING SOME FACTS.

It's not like LYING about Bush or Rush like liberals have been doing for years. That's a good thing.

But telling the truth about Obama????? I should be ashamed. Only the lies Obama wants us to believe should be told.

SO this person sat in a large meeting regarding homeland secutity issues in which even your source can't saw he actually participated. To say that he "advised the transition team" is as misleading a way of portraying this information as one could possibly find.

Of course, the transition team should have known that this guy would go on a murderous rampage ten months later and have him excluded or even arrested.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

When did you become the Voice of Reason around here? I find myself agreeing with your posts so often it's disturbing. :lol:

Best post on this thread and agreed 100%.

[samurai7]

WND is hardly a champion of fact.

But whatever. They are fabricating bad news for Obama, so whatever it is... no matter how outlandish and ridiculous it is, it's gotta be true! Especially if it involves a Muslim!

Yeah, like if this had happened to Bush liberals wouldn't have been all over it.

They went on and on about Bush and Rove outing Valerie Plame when it turned out there was absolutely no truth to it, for two years.

And liberals are going to lecture us about accuracy when Hasan has his name on the document advising Obama?

:)) :))

[mtbeaches]

Is it any surprise that this man was on a Presidential advisory board. I wonder which one of Obama's marxist thugs picked him.

Also, is it any surprise that several posters here think either its ok and doesn't mean anything...or they totally want to make believe it isn't true.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I give the evidence, and you are having a fit.

:)) :))
listed as attending the meetings

So would the people attending town hall meetings of Obama's also be considered advisers?

[samurai7]

SO this person sat in a large meeting regarding homeland secutity issues in which even your source can't saw he actually participated. To say that he "advised the transition team" is as misleading a way of portraying this information as one could possibly find.

Of course, the transition team should have known that this guy would go on a murderous rampage ten months later and have him excluded or even arrested.

Why not?

Obama got his political career launched from a terrorist's house. Why should this shock or upset liberals. You ever hear Van Jones talk? These are the kind of people Obama attracts.

[fjccommish]

I love some of the head in the sand posters who claim someone who sat on a panel for Homeland Security was not a Homeland Security advisor.

How many extremist muslims are now influencing national security? Is it going to take another McCarthy to root them out, then to get destroyed by liberals who want to protect them?

[samurai7]

So would the people attending town hall meetings of Obama's also be considered advisers?

No, those are rent a mobs. :mrgreen:

[Always Independent]

Time for the PC police to come round up all you Redneck, bigoted, racist, Christians up! /sarclibmode

Hope and Change!
Hypes and Chains!
Dopes and No Brains!

Thanks for exposing this, this certainly WILL NOT be on the ABC, CBS, MSNBCNN news spin channels. Like someone else said, they want this to go away quietly and quickly.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Is it any surprise that this man was on a Presidential advisory board. I wonder which one of Obama's marxist thugs picked him.

Also, is it any surprise that several posters here think either its ok and doesn't mean anything...or they totally want to make believe it isn't true.
Please show me where it says he sat on any advisory board.

[ExDem]

I am sure that if a Christian had murdered 12 people and had sat in on a Homeland Security under George Bush, it would be all over the place and you guys would be howling.

[Czhorat]

Why not?

Obama got his political career launched from a terrorist's house. Why should this shock or upset liberals. You ever hear Van Jones talk? These are the kind of people Obama attracts.

Do you read the drivel you cut and paste, or do you send it blindly?

As I said in another thread about the "transition team advisor" claim: To say that he started his career "from a terrorist's house" is such a distortion of truth that I'd consider anyone who repeats it to simply be lying.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I am sure that if a Christian had murdered 12 people and had sat in on a Homeland Security under George Bush, it would be all over the place and you guys would be howling.

I dunno, Americans love to freak out about mass shooting more than just about anything else.

[monkeymom]

WOW. Unbelievable the way bammy is surrounded by extremists, isn't it?

If nothing else it shows a very serious lack in good judgment and/or lapse in the vetting process (which has been addressed numerous times before).

[samurai7]

Mael, he was an audience member. Do you really want to use this as a "gotcha" moment?

Liberals were using fabricated documents to make "gotcha's" on Bush. But a FACT about this Homeland Security panel for Obama is unfair to bring up?

Give us all a break libs! :))

[hwyflier]

If nothing else it shows a very serious lack in good judgment and/or lapse in the vetting process (which has been addressed numerous times before).
The guy was a doctor and a major. The problems with vetting started long before he was an audience member at any conference.

[Mustang JEB]

No I am NOT kidding!



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I think I found out why Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Afghanistan, if THESE are the kinds of people advising him! :rolleyes:

But should this surprise anyone since Obama started his political career in the house of a terrorist???? What's one more terrorist if you are Obama?

But, OF COURSE, what happened at Ft. Hood WASN'T terrorism! Nooooooooooooo, of course it wasn't. It was just another isolated incident. Move on people. Nothing to see here.

:rolleyes:

Thanks for that Sam!

[samurai7]

The above item you quoted from the article and this item:
"there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, "

Is why when I hear claims from certain elements and outlets, I immediately say "********, what's the real story."

:))

I'm not trying to hide it.

I am simply reporting the guy did attend the Homeland Security for Obama. I think that's telling.

[ThrowCop]

Someone is getting hysterical! :))

Made it up?

Ayers? Van Jones! Obama Czars and advisers who say they admire Mao? Now this guy sitting in on Homeland Security?

Who's making stuff up? Sounds like you are sticking your fingers in your ears and covering your eyes, screaming at the top of your lungs lest any facts permeate!

:)) :))Like I said, I forgot the level of honesty of who I was posting to...

Lies do not matter as long as the agenda fits...


carry on...

[Maelstrom]

Mael, he was an audience member. Do you really want to use this as a "gotcha" moment?

Ok...do I need to retract?

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Since I posted on this thread, I am now an official advisor of Samurai7.

[ModernConservative]

I can always tell when a post has hit a Liberal nerve by the sheer number of threads that are hidden due to the posters being on my Ignore List.

Nice work OP!

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Liberals were using fabricated documents to make "gotcha's" on Bush. But a FACT about this Homeland Security panel for Obama is unfair to bring up?

Give us all a break libs! :))
I'm hardly liberal. And he wasn't on the panel.

[PeterGriffin]

No, we won't believe it because its simply not true. Do you even read your own links? HSPI had no formal role with the Obama administration, and there is no evidence Hasan was even a member. Even the excrable Jerome Corsi admits that.

Background and substantiation at Washington Monthly, too lazy to link from a handset.

WND, making gullible conservatives look like breathless idjits since 1999.

[George Walton]

I think the assertion that Hasan advised Obama is at best wishful thinking.


Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.


Doesn't sound like he wasn't invited by Obama or his transition team. Sounds like Hasan applied to attend the meeting. That's hardly and advisory role.

I'm not defending what this guy did, but on the other hand, inventing dots to connect when there aren't any is just what Conservatives don't need to do.

Loony stuff like this is just used by the liberals to make Conservatives look bad.

.

[monkeymom]

The guy was a doctor and a major. The problems with vetting started long before he was an audience member at any conference.

That could well be - but that would depend on what his attitudes were when he entered the military. My understanding is he was in the military since 1997 - if he had become extremist it could have happened over time after he entered the military.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Ok...do I need to retract?
What would you retract? :razz:

[old guy]

No I am NOT kidding!



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I think I found out why Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Afghanistan, if THESE are the kinds of people advising him! :rolleyes:

But should this surprise anyone since Obama started his political career in the house of a terrorist???? What's one more terrorist if you are Obama?

But, OF COURSE, what happened at Ft. Hood WASN'T terrorism! Nooooooooooooo, of course it wasn't. It was just another isolated incident. Move on people. Nothing to see here.

:rolleyes:

can you jump any further to a comclusion????

[Gengar]

Liberals were using fabricated documents to make "gotcha's" on Bush. But a FACT about this Homeland Security panel for Obama is unfair to bring up?

Give us all a break libs! :))

Hey, Libs made up crap too! So we have a free pass!

I see no "FACT" about Hasan being on any Homeland Security panel for Obama. Just the usual hysterical made-up tripe from WND.

[LJ14]

Sorry, but WND would do well to improve its credibility. And this story doesn't help it any. The body of the story refutes the headline...

Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force

<snip>

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre.

Kaniewski said Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

<snip>

(emphasis mine)

Obama and his administration are total screw-ups, IMO. But I don't see them implicated in Hasan's choice to commit mass murder. WND needs to get a little self-respect.

[samurai7]

Hey, Libs made up crap too! So we have a free pass!

I see no "FACT" about Hasan being on any Homeland Security panel for Obama. Just the usual hysterical made-up tripe from WND.

It's not made up. The guy was there. UNLIKE liberals who stated Bush/Rove outed Plame without A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

:))

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

I can always tell when a post has hit a Liberal nerve by the sheer number of threads that are hidden due to the posters being on my Ignore List.

Nice work OP!
The OP and thread title were disingenuous at worst or inaccurate at best. That hits even my conservative nerve. ;)

[Dr BloodMoney]

Liberals were using fabricated documents to make "gotcha's" on Bush. But a FACT about this Homeland Security panel for Obama is unfair to bring up?

Give us all a break libs! :))

From your own source:

The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230#)Published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," (http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf) in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant. This is a panel from a University, nothing to do with the US Government or the actual Transition team.

Here is the link from WND:

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

It's not the US Government. It a university panel.

From the document:

About the Institute
Founded in 2003, The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) is a nonpartisan “think and do” tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach. By convening domestic and international policymakers and practitioners at all levels of government, the private and non-profit sectors, and academia, HSPI creates innovative strategies and solutions to current and future threats to the nation.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT or THE TRANSITION....

Page three of the document list who is on the panel, the MAJ is not on the list.

So he was in the audience of a panel\think tank that is not part of the US Government and was NOT part of the Pres Transition team. It published a paper and mailed that paper to the new administration.....

To funny......:))

[samurai7]

can you jump any further to a comclusion????

Yeah, I could use faked National Guard records, that Bush lied about Iraq, Bush outed Valerie Plame, OR that Rush Limbaugh said he thought slavery was a good thing.

Oh, I FORGOT, those were all things LIBERALS MADE UP, without ANY evidence.

Unlike the story in the op.

:))

[aep1974]

Give us all a break libs! :))

Proud Mom and Teacher is not a lib. This is why I take your posts with a grain of salt. Not saying your OP here is wrong or right. It just seems that you are hell-bent on being partisan at all costs, in every situation. It's tiring.

[Maelstrom]

The OP and thread title were disingenuous at worst or inaccurate at best. That hits even my conservative nerve. ;)

Ok...I retract my statements and I have deleted those posts that I could get to before tslaw did...and between her and I, I've cleaned up my act.

My apologies to all for responding in an incivil manner in this thread!

[Czhorat]

The OP and thread title were disingenuous at worst or inaccurate at best. That hits even my conservative nerve. ;)

Yes, but some liberals lied about Bush, so that makes it OK.

That seems to be our Japanese warrior's contention.

[hwyflier]

That could well be - but that would depend on what his attitudes were when he entered the military. My understanding is he was in the military since 1997 - if he had become extremist it could have happened over time after he entered the military.
Right, which is why I'm pointing out that he was a doctor and a major. Something tells me that doing a thorough pysch eval on a doctor and major wasn't high on the list of the person who sold the ticket for the conference to him.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Ok...I retract my statements and I have deleted those posts that I could get to before tslaw did...and between her and I, I've cleaned up my act.

My apologies to all for responding in an incivil manner in this thread!

:clap:

Have a great weekend, Mael.

[Dr BloodMoney]

It's not made up. The guy was there. UNLIKE liberals who stated Bush/Rove outed Plame without A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

:))

He was at a university think tank panel..... fact, it has nothing to do with the government.....

[samurai7]

Yes, but some liberals lied about Bush, so that makes it OK.

That seems to be our Japanese warrior's contention.

SOME LIBERALS??????

Give me the liberals that DIDN'T believe that Bush/Rove outed Plame????????????

They clung to that even AFTER it became clear it was Armitage. Some liberals!

:)) :))

[old guy]

using samurais logic i guess any tea party attendees ,even the most extreme ones can now be considered official advisers to the conservative movement

[samurai7]

He was at a university think tank panel..... fact, it has nothing to do with the government.....

Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre. [

Keep spinning.

[samurai7]

using samurais logic i guess any tea party attendees ,even the most extreme ones can now be considered official advisers to the conservative movement

Helloooooooooooooooooooooo, that's the IDEA of the tea party movement. Advising our Congressman and Senators that we are fed up!

You just hit the nail on the head.

[Dr BloodMoney]

[

Keep spinning.

No spin, facts. This panel had nothing to do with the transition. Fact.

[aep1974]

[

Keep spinning.

You're in a one-man canoe with only one paddle on this one, sam. Sorry to say....

[jimmyc123]

When did you become the Voice of Reason around here? I find myself agreeing with your posts so often it's disturbing. :lol:

No kidding. While I don't always agree with them, at least people like Gengar and Johnrocks argue from a position of honesty and give conservatism a good name.

[RedStatePaPa]

For ****'s sake - is this really how you want to use this tragedy?

What? There is nothing wrong with noting these things.

[PheonixOps]

I'm not trying to hide it.

I am simply reporting the guy did attend the Homeland Security for Obama. I think that's telling.

Then why did you entitle the thread: "Oh boy, people you aren't going to believe this! Shooter advised Obama transition" ?

[samurai7]

Wow! :eek:

My hubby told me there has been another shooting!

[samurai7]

Then why did you entitle the thread: "Oh boy, people you aren't going to believe this! Shooter advised Obama transition" ?

Because apparently you didn't bother to read the title of the article

[Czhorat]

SOME LIBERALS??????

Give me the liberals that DIDN'T believe that Bush/Rove outed Plame????????????

They clung to that even AFTER it became clear it was Armitage. Some liberals!

:)) :))

Such dishonesty violates the ideals of bushido.

Your post is very clearly a dishonest shading of the truth at best and outright lying at worst. Even a strong conservative like the prideful maternal educator find it to be feces-filled.

So what is your only defence?

"Other people lied too, so it's OK for me to lie". Nobody accepts that as a reasonable answer.

[Dr BloodMoney]

Because apparently you didn't bother to read the title of the article

And you did not bother to read beyond the title. Because the main body of the article contradicts the title and your post....

[Czhorat]

Helloooooooooooooooooooooo, that's the IDEA of the tea party movement. Advising our Congressman and Senators that we are fed up!

You just hit the nail on the head.

So if someone who had attended a tea party did something dispicable, would you start a thread stating "Advisor to Senator McConnell murders dozens" or "Member of Michelle Bachman's advisory team sacrifices virgin goat to Cthulhu"?

[Mojotiger]

So if someone who had attended a tea party did something dispicable, would you start a thread stating "Advisor to Senator McConnell murders dozens" or "Member of Michelle Bachman's advisory team sacrifices goat to Cthulhu"?

No, one of you guys would beat her to it.

[PheonixOps]

And you did not bother to read beyond the title. Because the main body of the article contradicts the title and your post....

:)) Wow................

[Czhorat]

No, one of you guys would beat to her to it.

And I would decry them as being intellectually dishonest and misleading. I would hope that whomever did so would back down, and not say use crackpots like WND on the other side to justify their lunacy.

[Galactus404]

In what capacity did this guy "advise" Obama? Can everybody that attended that meeting be called a Presidential Advisor, is that all it takes these days, attend a meeting? Jerome Corsi is nuttier than a king size Snickers.

[old guy]

Helloooooooooooooooooooooo, that's the IDEA of the tea party movement. Advising our Congressman and Senators that we are fed up!

You just hit the nail on the head.


so anyone comparing Obama to hitler can be considered an official adviser.

thank you for clearing that up.

[old guy]

So if someone who had attended a tea party did something dispicable, would you start a thread stating "Advisor to Senator McConnell murders dozens" or "Member of Michelle Bachman's advisory team sacrifices virgin goat to Cthulhu"?


but remember cthulu cthaves :))

[margaretms]

From your own crappy source:

This is a panel from a University, nothing to do with the US Government or the actual Transition team.

Here is the link from WND:

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

It's not the US Government. It a university panel.

From the document:

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT or THE TRANSITION....

Page three of the document list who is on the panel, the MAJ is not on the list.

So he was in the audience of a panel\think tank that is not part of the US Government and was NOT part of the Pres Transition team. It published a paper and mailed that paper to the new administration.....

To funny......:))

:))

[Mojotiger]

using samurais logic i guess any tea party attendees ,even the most extreme ones can now be considered official advisers to the conservative movement

Sure. They've been called "racists" and "evil-mongers", so why stop there...

[Maelstrom]

Primary source:

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

Hasan's name is on it as a participant.

I am not clear what a member of an audience would be doing on a list such as this...but some clarification is required.

[Maelstrom]

In what capacity did this guy "advise" Obama? Can everybody that attended that meeting be called a Presidential Advisor, is that all it takes these days, attend a meeting? Jerome Corsi is nuttier than a king size Snickers.

Still looking, but I really don't have the time.

[Maelstrom]

More REAL information:

FRIDAY MORNING UPDATE: Daniel Kaniewski, the institute's deputy director, confirms that Hasan attended task force meetings as an audience member, and stresses that he was not a member of the task force. "All of our events are open to the public," Kaniewski says, "and when someone RSVPs we put their name in the [report] so everyone knows who was in the room." He says institute staffers recall Hasan attending at least one task force event, and that he RSVP'd for several. "We do recall him speaking at one of our events as an audience member," he says, "but none of us recall what he actually said. Generally, our events are attended by people in the homeland security community, and Hasan had a very legitimate reason to be there.

http://gawker.com/5398253/nidal-hasan-ft-hood-shooter-participated-in-homeland-security-disaster-preparation

[Dr BloodMoney]

Primary source:

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

Hasan's name is on it as a participant.

I am not clear what a member of an audience would be doing on a list such as this...but some clarification is required.

If with the further info that you've dug up, thanks by the way (good stuff) it would not have mattered. This is a University think tank that discusses policy and writes up papers. Nothing more.

[Stantz]

More REAL information:

FRIDAY MORNING UPDATE: Daniel Kaniewski, the institute's deputy director, confirms that Hasan attended task force meetings as an audience member, and stresses that he was not a member of the task force. "All of our events are open to the public," Kaniewski says, "and when someone RSVPs we put their name in the [report] so everyone knows who was in the room." He says institute staffers recall Hasan attending at least one task force event, and that he RSVP'd for several. "We do recall him speaking at one of our events as an audience member," he says, "but none of us recall what he actually said. Generally, our events are attended by people in the homeland security community, and Hasan had a very legitimate reason to be there.

http://gawker.com/5398253/nidal-hasan-ft-hood-shooter-participated-in-homeland-security-disaster-preparation

appreciate the bit of research there

[less right]

Liberals were using fabricated documents to make "gotcha's" on Bush. But a FACT about this Homeland Security panel for Obama is unfair to bring up?

Give us all a break libs! :))

You have one of the most bizarre concepts of "facts"

Did you even read the article you posted? You certainly didn't understand it.

This was NOT a "Homeland Security panel for Obama".

The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009,"

This was the HSPI recommendations for the incoming President. It wasn't "for Obama" but for WHOMEVER was elected.

At best, Hasan was an audience member. Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not.

Interesting coincidence? Yes. Smoking gun? Hardly.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

<still sitting and waiting patiently for the investigators to do their jobs>

<also having fun watching the partisans>

[Maelstrom]

appreciate the bit of research there

It appears that all additional information about that guy has been corrupted by his recent actions.

I'm at a dead-end.

[Drawz]

So if someone who had attended a tea party did something dispicable, would you start a thread stating "Advisor to Senator McConnell murders dozens" or "Member of Michelle Bachman's advisory team sacrifices virgin goat to Cthulhu"?

:lol:
I'm pretty sure the goats go to Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu's more of a seafood kinda guy. ;)

["Doc"]

Its likely that his mention on page 29 is insignificant. Sounds more like his participation was just a footnote. I think there is a big difference between "task force participant" and participating advisor to the transition team.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I'm hardly liberal. And he wasn't on the panel.

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we try to post logic.

[Iggy]

WND? Excuse me while I don't believe a word that article says.

Link to actual document: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15095870/Maj-Nidal-Malik-Hasank-shooter-advisor

[bitterclingerincalif]

There is a danger to all this speculation but at the same time there is the danger of the investigators pushing things under the carpet to get the outcome they want.

[Camp]

His role is not of paramount importance.

The fact that he had an insiders role and a malice towards his birth ideology and a sympathy to his religious ideology is.

That puts him in very close proximity to the highest officials.

Who else is out there with similar ideological malice?

Calling it a fluke is the lazy way out. IMO.

[tjkamp]

Just so all of you hear it from me, and it doesn't come up on the WND website.....

I was at the All-Star game in STL when Obama threw out the first pitch, therefore I am a member of Obama's Mom-Jean fashion team.

[Stantz]

It appears that all additional information about that guy has been corrupted by his recent actions.

I'm at a dead-end.

yup which makes google bombs a day after an event occurs pretty much useless.

In anycase from the several articles i have read it seems to me that we are talking about someone who RSVP ed to an event as an audience member based on his credentials, spoke once as an audience member (though no one seems to remember about what).

Will look forward into reading more info as it comes out

[tislaw]

ENOUGH!!!! Do you all know how many posts I've had to delete in this thread?

Do you all, those engaging in incivility and personal attacks and quoting them, WANT to get a timeout?

[Mojotiger]

Just so all of you hear it from me, and it doesn't come up on the WND website.....

I was at the All-Star game in STL when Obama threw out the first pitch, therefore I am a member of Obama's Mom-Jean fashion team.

Congrats!

[Camp]

This Hasan fellow reminds me of Sirhan Sirhan.

Born in America, but still seething inside with hatred fueled by what his brain absorbed from the old world.

[Maelstrom]

ENOUGH!!!! Do you all know how many posts I've had to delete in this thread?

Do you all, those engaging in incivility and personal attacks and quoting them, WANT to get a timeout?

After your sticky (and it shouldn't have been necessary) we've tried very hard to end the incivility and personal attacks.

We're sorry Ms. Borg and we're trying to be better!

Please give us a second chance! :hug:

[Iggy]

He is on page 32 of the document under "task force event participants". Its not like he was an advisor. Much ado about nothing.

[tislaw]

After your sticky (and it shouldn't have been necessary) we've tried very hard to end the incivility and personal attacks.

We're sorry Ms. Borg and we're trying to be better!

Please give us a second chance! :hug:


You are doing fine, thank you, I've seen your post.

There are others that are apparently DENSE though.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

He is on page 32 of the document under "task force event participants". Its not like he was an advisor. Much ado about nothing.
Ya' think? :razz:

[Drawz]

Just so all of you hear it from me, and it doesn't come up on the WND website.....

I was at the All-Star game in STL when Obama threw out the first pitch, therefore I am a member of Obama's Mom-Jean fashion team.

In that spirit, I feel I must reveal that I live in Chicago, and I have a friend who lives in Hyde Park... (deep breath), therefore I am a member of the Ayers/Obama terrorist underground.

[ExDem]

ENOUGH!!!! Do you all know how many posts I've had to delete in this thread?

Do you all, those engaging in incivility and personal attacks and quoting them, WANT to get a timeout?

No, ma'am.

[cj234]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I give the evidence, and you are having a fit.

:)) :))

You must of hit a big nerve!! Bunch having big hissy fits!! You would think many of them would be dizzy by now???

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

You must of hit a big nerve!! Bunch having big hissy fits!! You would think many of them would be dizzy by now???
I'd love to see how you feel once you read the whole thread. :whistle:

[Drawz]

ENOUGH!!!! Do you all know how many posts I've had to delete in this thread?

Do you all, those engaging in incivility and personal attacks and quoting them, WANT to get a timeout?

If I get to spend my timeout with you I'd gladly engage in some incivility and personal attacks... :drool: ;)

[croupier101]

he also graduated from the same high school as obama in the same year and was his friend on the basketball team. hmmmm....there is more to this story.

[cj234]

I'd love to see how you feel once you read the whole thread. :whistle:

I did! I was commenting on everyones reaction!!:rolleyes: Alot of deleted threads!!! I could only read that was left!!:rolleyes:

[Mojotiger]

he also graduated from the same high school as obama in the same year and was his friend on the basketball team. hmmmm....there is more to this story.

I dunno. History shows that Obama prefers his domestic terrorist friends to be atheist...

[croupier101]

I dunno. History shows that Obama prefers his domestic terrorist friends to be atheist...

true, that is why Obama only hired this guy to be a participant at the task force meeting, instead of making him secretary of defense.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

It's threads like this that always get me thinking about paid message board posters. And if they exist. And how much they can make.

[Middy]

WND? Excuse me while I don't believe a word that article says.


Which parts of the story aren't true?.....and what is your source?

[Mojotiger]

It's threads like this that always get me thinking about paid message board posters. And if they exist. And how much they can make.

$2/post here. How bout you?

[Drawz]

It's threads like this that always get me thinking about paid message board posters. And if they exist. And how much they can make.

$7.49/hr, er I mean, that's silly we, I mean they, I mean, there's no such thing!

[skprtod914]

I don't believe WND at all. They're stories seem to be generally way to0 far-fetched.

[Czhorat]

Which parts of the story aren't true?.....and what is your source?

Maelstrom of all people pretty thoroughly debunked it in this very thread.

The individual in question was an audience member for the panel, which was open to the public. WND used this fact to imply a connection with the Obama administration which does not exist.

[Vic Daring]

This turns out to be a useful thread.

Just to see who digs in and steadfastly has to believe such nonsense to be true.

Worth noting.

[Lego-Man]

Maelstrom of all people pretty thoroughly debunked it in this very thread.

The individual in question was an audience member for the panel, which was open to the public. WND used this fact to imply a connection with the Obama administration which does not exist.

WND stated in the article that (in your words) "The individual in question was an audience member for the panel, which was open to the public."

So, exactly what was debunked about the article?

[supreme_war_Pig]

WND stated in the article that (in your words) "The individual in question was an audience member for the panel, which was open to the public."

So, exactly what was debunked about the article?

It appears that he is debunking the thread, using the article.

[Mojotiger]

So, exactly what was debunked about the article?

The title of the article.

Shooter advised Obama transition

[agent_86]

Seriously, is anyone at all surprised? Even a smidgen?

Maybe I just was one that could see who he surrounded himself with and who was drawn to him.

Oh well.

[Czhorat]

WND stated in the article that (in your words) "The individual in question was an audience member for the panel, which was open to the public."

So, exactly what was debunked about the article?

As Mojo said, the title and the conclusion WND seems to want us to draw from this.

[Trip]

WND is hardly a champion of fact.

But whatever. They are fabricating bad news for Obama, so whatever it is... no matter how outlandish and ridiculous it is, it's gotta be true! Especially if it involves a Muslim!

And damn good thing the ENQUIRER story about Edward's baby was false too, eh?

[55SFSDefender]

And damn good thing the ENQUIRER story about Edward's baby was false too, eh?

As Grandpa used to say 'even a blind chicken finds a kernal of corn once in a while.' :))

[avergbear]

WND is hardly a champion of fact.

But whatever. They are fabricating bad news for Obama, so whatever it is... no matter how outlandish and ridiculous it is, it's gotta be true! Especially if it involves a Muslim!

I keep hearing Liberals make this claim of how WND can’t be trusted, yet when you ask them for evidence of such, they somehow just disappear into the woodwork or parade out some factually incorrect article from 20 years ago.

So…I’ll see if you are just one of those. Can you give us evidence that WND deliberately and routinely manufactures or misrepresents facts?

Quick now…do a Google search and give us all the links your buddies over at the DU put up.

[25mm]

I am not sure it is physically possible to stretch the connection from this man to Obama.

Doesn't appear that will keep some from trying.

[Mojotiger]

I keep hearing Liberals make this claim of how WND can’t be trusted, yet when you ask them for evidence of such, they somehow just disappear into the woodwork or parade out some factually incorrect article from 20 years ago.

So…I’ll see if you are just one of those. Can you give us evidence that WND deliberately and routinely manufactures or misrepresents facts?

Quick now…do a Google search and give us all the links your buddies over at the DU put up.

The title of the article in question isn't even remotely supported by the article itself. They assume people like the OP will skip the content and just read the title. So there's one example.

[Dr BloodMoney]

I keep hearing Liberals make this claim of how WND can’t be trusted, yet when you ask them for evidence of such, they somehow just disappear into the woodwork or parade out some factually incorrect article from 20 years ago.

So…I’ll see if you are just one of those. Can you give us evidence that WND deliberately and routinely manufactures or misrepresents facts?

Quick now…do a Google search and give us all the links your buddies over at the DU put up.

Read the WND headline and then read the WND article itself and then read the document the WND article references. WND own article does not support the headline, it refutes it.......

[RickRhetoric]

Up until yesterday this guy was a doctor and a Major.

As long as he is alive, he still is an army doctor and major and entitled to all the benefits, honorifics and courtesies thereof.

[stodr]

As long as he is alive, he still is an army doctor and major and entitled to all the benefits, honorifics and courtesies thereof.

or until he is convicted and given a dishonorable discharge.

[supreme_war_Pig]

I keep hearing Liberals make this claim of how WND can’t be trusted, yet when you ask them for evidence of such, they somehow just disappear into the woodwork or parade out some factually incorrect article from 20 years ago.

So…I’ll see if you are just one of those. Can you give us evidence that WND deliberately and routinely manufactures or misrepresents facts?

Quick now…do a Google search and give us all the links your buddies over at the DU put up.

Fine....but in this particular instance, they are conflating the facts to make it a hit piece.

[caballus]

More pieces to the puzzle -- watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRePIBNzTjM

In a few years Muslims will 'rule the planet' ... planned, strategic, working from the inside.

Obama's on the 'inside', now, isn't he.

Put the pieces together and the picture is becoming horrifyingly clear.

[avergbear]

Fine....but in this particular instance, they are conflating the facts to make it a hit piece.

Sure, anytime something puts Obama in a bad light, it’s fabricated.

This sounds like a job for the Obama Truth Squad.

[Lisa4Catholics]

I would not be surprised considering his other associates.

[Guvnah]

At first glance I wanted to chalk this up to the principle of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon."

But damn. There is so much of this crap floating around the Obama administration that it's hard to dismiss.

I need to hear/see more before I draw conclusions.

[Imperialparadox]

The title of the article in question isn't even remotely supported by the article itself. They assume people like the OP will skip the content and just read the title. So there's one example.

Well, um....uh....well..name another! Yeah thought so! OOOooohhh I so burned you! :))

Yeah, WND isn't exactly high on my list of trusted sources...

[Stuball]

I can always tell when a post has hit a Liberal nerve by the sheer number of threads that are hidden due to the posters being on my Ignore List.

Nice work OP!
If you are ignoring so many people you disagree with why even bother to post here?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

This turns out to be a useful thread.

Just to see who digs in and steadfastly has to believe such nonsense to be true.

Worth noting.

I done that many times. These types of threads are very useful. Let's me know whose posts I can trust and whose I can't.

[Stuball]

Wow! :eek:

My hubby told me there has been another shooting!
How long will it take WND to link that guy to Obama?

[curtis123]

No I am NOT kidding!



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

I think I found out why Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Afghanistan, if THESE are the kinds of people advising him! :rolleyes:

But should this surprise anyone since Obama started his political career in the house of a terrorist???? What's one more terrorist if you are Obama?

But, OF COURSE, what happened at Ft. Hood WASN'T terrorism! Nooooooooooooo, of course it wasn't. It was just another isolated incident. Move on people. Nothing to see here.

:rolleyes:


Maybe another day I'd be interested in this, but right now, there's families in pain.

[Kegler300]

Obama has surrounded himself with individuals more radical, and intent on doing more harm and commiting evil deeds against American citizens than this muslim fanatical murderer...

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Well, half of the title was correct for me...

"...You aren't going to believe this..."

:clap:

[aep1974]

After your sticky (and it shouldn't have been necessary) we've tried very hard to end the incivility and personal attacks.

We're sorry Ms. Borg and we're trying to be better!

Please give us a second chance! :hug:

And I didn't know that croupier's post would be deleted for incivility, hence my post quoting it would be too. Sorry tis! Please forgive me! :mrgreen:

[nortman]

I heard he and Obama were actually gay lovers.

I hadn't heard that, but it makes for a good rumor. Thanks.

[nortman]

Yeah, like if this had happened to Bush liberals wouldn't have been all over it.

They went on and on about Bush and Rove outing Valerie Plame when it turned out there was absolutely no truth to it, for two years.

And liberals are going to lecture us about accuracy when Hasan has his name on the document advising Obama?

:)) :))Come on, Sam. It doesn't make it right just because the libbies would have done it. I know that "payback sucks" but sometimes it just comes off as petty.

[davidd]

So when this guy entered the army 6 years ago, somehow he knew that Obama would be President of the US so he could advise him- actually he did not, but why should facts matter?- on his transition. Is there a coherent point here. I can't see it.

Come on.

[Clamp]

As everyone knows, the Governor Elect of New Jersey is Chris Christie. His campaign headquarters are in one of the buildings I work in. Scroll down to the bottom left of this link:

http://www.christiefornj.com/about/about-chris.html

When they first moved into the office suite, it was summertime, and the building's HVAC system automatically shuts off at 6PM, because the majority of businesses in the building keep "standard" hours. This is not so with an election headquarters.

We keep spare "Mov-N-Cools" (http://www.movincool.com/) in case of any HVAC failures in our datacenters, or if we need some spot cooling until a new installation is complete.

The building manager of the site GE Christie's headquarters is located in asked if they could borrow a couple of the "Mov-N-Cools" for auxiliary cooling until the election was over. Of course we obliged.

I personally installed, and removed this past Wednesday, said "Mov-N-Cools"....therefore, I am an adviser for Chris Christie's transition team.

[less right]

Because apparently you didn't bother to read the title of the article

Apparently you didn't bother to read beyond the title (even though you copied and pasted almost the entire article... twice...:rolleyes: twice). :rolleyes:

:)):))

I don't think anyone doubts that Hasan attended at least one of these meetings that was open to the public.

Are you going to come back and explain how that makes him an adviser to the Obama transition? Your article doesn't make clear that connection in spite of the title.

[Area Man]

I shook the hand of a guy who shook the hand of a MD who examined Elivs. That makes me a member of the Memphis Mafia.... hot damn tomalli, baby!

[PheonixOps]

Well, half of the title was correct for me...

"...You aren't going to believe this..."

:clap:

:)) Very funny and true. Hats off to you!

[hailreagan]

I shook the hand of a guy who shook the hand of a MD who examined Elivs. That makes me a member of the Memphis Mafia.... hot damn tomalli, baby!


Hot damn tamale baby!

This is a non story and a stretch........sorry.

Going to a public function does not an advisor make.......

[Mike Griffith]

Wow. Just wow.

Is there no end to the pathetic nutjobs and radicals that the Obama administration has attracted and/or appointed?

[Mike Griffith]

I shook the hand of a guy who shook the hand of a MD who examined Elivs. That makes me a member of the Memphis Mafia.... hot damn tomalli, baby!

Do liberals just not take any logic classes when they go to school?

[Plasmaball]

ugh just what a giant facepalm thread

[Malikstein]

WND? Excuse me while I don't believe a word that article says.

see page 29, left-hand column-

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

[reflechissez]

see page 29, left-hand column-

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf


if your point is that the guy attended the conference, that has already been established. or maybe you just needed to be right about something today. i understand.

[Mohawk5]

I wonder how much of our tax dollars have gone into educating and training this idiot.

[Malikstein]

if your point is that the guy attended the conference, that has already been established. or maybe you just needed to be right about something today. i understand.

no you dont! but if you will only try to think harder why i responded that way to the OTHER poster, maybe you will.

[mtbeaches]

Please show me where it says he sat on any advisory board.now wonder why our education system is such a mess...are all teachers liberal obamabots except for the ones that I know. Or, is it just the NEA telling them how to act?

I believe he OP showed where it was written, so why are you questioning me?

[BigJimSlade]

:wall:
Here's an interesting article.

Beware: here there be facts:

"WND conspiracist's bogus claim: Hasan advised Obama's transition team"

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/wnd-conspiracists-bogus-claim-hasan

Perhaps it's time we switch this discussion to something with more legs, like Bush and Cheney's involvement in the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

;)

[less right]

now wonder why our education system is such a mess...are all teachers liberal obamabots except for the ones that I know. Or, is it just the NEA telling them how to act?

I believe he OP showed where it was written, so why are you questioning me?

Maybe because you said..."...this man was on a Presidential advisory board."

If your teachers hadn't failed you, you would have known that "this man" was nothing more than an attendee, a member of the audience.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

now wonder why our education system is such a mess...are all teachers liberal obamabots except for the ones that I know. Or, is it just the NEA telling them how to act?

I believe he OP showed where it was written, so why are you questioning me?
Hi mt. I'm not liberal. I would rather lose a limb than be an Obamabot, and have never belonged to a teacher's union. Now that we have that cleared up, the article clearly states that he was a member of the audience. How does that make him a panel member? I'll wait while you read the article again.

[mtbeaches]

Hi mt. I'm not liberal. I would rather lose a limb than be an Obamabot, and have never belonged to a teacher's union. Now that we have that cleared up, the article clearly states that he was a member of the audience. How does that make him a panel member? I'll wait while you read the article again.Sorry if i mistook you for an obamabot.

But I think he was a bit more than an audience member:

Although the word audience it used at one point, I don't think its the type of audience that the regular man off the street can attend...to merely watch, as if it were a play. It clearly states he "attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine" and "was accepted because of his professional credentials."

Also, "advisory role" is stated several times.

"Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document. "

About half way down:"...is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant. "

And then there's "to serve in a university-based advisory capacity. "

Again, to assert he was merely a member in an audience is a little misleading.

[mtbeaches]

Maybe because you said...

If your teachers hadn't failed you, you would have known that "this man" was nothing more than an attendee, a member of the audience.Reread the article. He was more than a member of an audience. Your teachers must have failed you.

[ogibillm]

Sorry if i mistook you for an obamabot.

But I think he was a bit more than an audience member:

Although the word audience it used at one point, I don't think its the type of audience that the regular man off the street can attend...to merely watch, as if it were a play. It clearly states he "attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine" and "was accepted because of his professional credentials."

Also, "advisory role" is stated several times.

"Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document. "

About half way down:"...is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant. "

And then there's "to serve in a university-based advisory capacity. "

Again, to assert he was merely a member in an audience is a little misleading.

quite the opposite. to assert that he was anything other than an audience member, or to even imply such a thing, is to spread lies, other unintentionally or, and i hope this isn't the case, deliberately.

[Aaron1122]

And Obama has yet another shady advisor....

[ogibillm]

And Obama has yet another shady advisor....

it's amazing what some people will believe when they want to badly enough.

[who]

The things one reads on the interwebs:

"It didn't take long for some lunatic to post on the Internet that Nidal Hasan was linked to Barack Obama. Jerome Corsi wrote a piece on the gossip site World Net Daily entitled "Shooter advised Obama administration".

Apparently, George Washington University did a Homeland Security think-tank piece in May and produced a report. In the report, Hasan is shown as a "participant". In fact, he was one of a few hundred spectators, had no input, and the University really isn't even sure he was there, his name just appeared on a list of spectators. Also, the George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute was not sanctioned or directed by the Obama administration. A bunch of us could meet in a restraunt and write a report, send it to the White House, and voila, we're White House advisors in the same vein.

Jason Linkins writes: I contacted Frank Cillusso, the director of the HSPI at George Washington University, who tells me that Nidal Hasan has no affiliation with the HSPI or with George Washington University, at all. "[Hasan] has no role on the task force, other than the fact that he attended these meetings as an audience member, as did hundreds of others." Hasan's name appears on the list of participants only because he provided the HSPI with an RSVP, indicating his attendance. Cillusso told me, "We always record RSVPs and publish them as a matter of transparency, and will continue to do so."

[ThinkingMan]

Dictator lovers and flagrant leftists are much more dangerous and inimical to the country than lunatics who snap.

[ogibillm]

Dictator lovers and flagrant leftists are much more dangerous and inimical to the country than lunatics who snap.

we often say the same thing about fascists and the extreme right 'conservatives', only we aren't usually so redundant.

[ThinkingMan]

we often say the same thing about fascists and the extreme right 'conservatives', only we aren't usually so redundant.

"Conservatives" aren't on the extreme right, unless you are talking about the JFK "extreme right" with the strong defense, low taxes, mostly Christian based morality and all.

And fascists are not on the right. They are on the left.

But believe me - you are redundant.

[Gengar]

He didn't advise anything. He was present at that presentation/meeting however... the video clearly shows that.

But there is no evidence whatsoever that he actually had a hand in any kind of policy.

It does look bad for the Administration, sure... but that's it.

[ogibillm]

"Conservatives" aren't on the extreme right, unless you are talking about the JFK "extreme right" with the strong defense, low taxes, mostly Christian based morality and all.

And fascists are not on the right. They are on the left.

But believe me - you are redundant.

you keep telling yourself that.

[Gengar]

"Conservatives" aren't on the extreme right, unless you are talking about the JFK "extreme right" with the strong defense, low taxes, mostly Christian based morality and all.

And fascists are not on the right. They are on the left.

But believe me - you are redundant.

LOL Fascism isn't a left or right issue. There are fascists on both sides.

[ogibillm]

He didn't advise anything. He was present at that presentation/meeting however... the video clearly shows that.

But there is no evidence whatsoever that he actually had a hand in any kind of policy.

It does look bad for the Administration, sure... but that's it.

it looks bad that he attended an unsanctioned meeting as an audience member?

[Aaron1122]

it's amazing what some people will believe when they want to badly enough.


Am I really being taught not to believe everything I read by a lib?:)):)):)):)):)):wall:

[ogibillm]

Am I really being taught not to believe everything I read by a lib?:)):)):)):)):)):wall:

no. i was trying to teach you to actually read for yourself.

in that i have failed.

[ThinkingMan]

you keep telling yourself that.

You too - maybe it'll sink in. ;)

[ogibillm]

LOL Fascism isn't a left or right issue. There are fascists on both sides.

seriously, you feeling okay? you've been all sensible and stuff for a little while now... is that a symptom of swine flu we don't know about? ;)

[Aaron1122]

no. i was trying to teach you to actually read for yourself.

in that i have failed.


I also read somewhere that unemployment is above 10% now and Acorn was raided.... Suppose thats not true either....:)):)):)):wall::wall:

[ThinkingMan]

LOL Fascism isn't a left or right issue. There are fascists on both sides.

Most philosophies which entrench broad powers in anything other than its citizens is leftist.

[Gengar]

Most philosophies which entrench broad powers in anything other than its citizens is leftist.

Wow... not at all misguided, are we?

What about the aggressive nationalism and racism that goes hand in hand with fascism?

Re: Nationalism: Criticize Bush? You are obviously an American-hating terrorist supporter Commie pig.

Re: Racism: Much of the sentiment concerning the Ft. Hood tragedy

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Let me try to preempt your response: No, I am not an Obama-supporting Anti-American Commie Pig. I am simply pointing out the fact that Fascism has historically been a rightist ideology.

[Inks]

And fascists are not on the right. They are on the left.

But believe me - you are redundant.

Actually, Fascism is neither left or right, it borrows from both sections, but its considered more of a right wing issue because the only true fascist states to exist have had a cut throat competitive free market economy (believe it or not, Nazi Germany had a booming free market full of competition.) However, its neither left nor right as it borrows from both sides of the spectrum.

http://www.stageleft.info/blog-images/stageleft-political-compass.gif

[ThinkingMan]

Wow... not at all misguided, are we?

What about the aggressive nationalism and racism that goes hand in hand with fascism?

Re: Nationalism: Criticize Bush? You are obviously an American-hating terrorist supporter Commie pig.

Re: Racism: Much of the sentiment concerning the Ft. Hood tragedy

---------------

Let me try to preempt your response: No, I am not an Obama-supporting Anti-American Commie Pig. I am simply pointing out the fact that Fascism has historically been a rightist ideology.

Well here's some perspective, based on this from your post

"Re: Nationalism: Criticize Bush? You are obviously an American-hating terrorist supporter Commie pig."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,537661,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/10/tight-spot-pelosi-calls-health-care-critics-american/

You see - the modern left uses the power of government to criticize anything resembling what America is all about - like opposition to their train-wreck plans.

[ThinkingMan]

Actually, Fascism is neither left or right, it borrows from both sections, but its considered more of a right wing issue because the only true fascist states to exist have had a cut throat competitive free market economy (believe it or not, Nazi Germany had a booming free market full of competition.) However, its neither left nor right as it borrows from both sides of the spectrum.



The economy of Nazi Germany did not run without the forceful influence of the government. Nazis rose to power in horrible economic times, then productivity soared due to arms production.

It is wrong to equate this with unfettered capitalism, as the left does without fail.

Your barely legible graphic is ridiculously wrong, and a fail in and of itself.

[DLaw911]

I heard he and Obama were actually gay lovers.It's a true story. And Obama personally requested his deployment to Iraq to get rid of him.

[less right]

Sorry if i mistook you for an obamabot.

But I think he was a bit more than an audience member:

Although the word audience it used at one point, I don't think its the type of audience that the regular man off the street can attend...to merely watch, as if it were a play. It clearly states he "attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine" and "was accepted because of his professional credentials."

Also, "advisory role" is stated several times.

"Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document. "

About half way down:"...is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant. "

And then there's "to serve in a university-based advisory capacity. "

Again, to assert he was merely a member in an audience is a little misleading.

Let's see what GWU has to say on the subject.Homeland Security Policy Institute Statement on Nidal Hasan

In his capacity as Disaster & Preventive Psychiatry Fellow at the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, Nidal Hasan registered (“RSVP’d”) to attend as an audience member a number of Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) events in the period June 2008 to February 2009. All of these events were open to the public. At no time has Nidal Hasan been affiliated with HSPI or The George Washington University.

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/

That pretty much puts to rest any notion that Hasan was more than an audience member; that the conference wasn't open to the public; or that these recommendations were specifically for the Obama transition.

As far as your cherry picked quotes......there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.The fact that this isn't referring to Hasan but to the GWU HSPI proceedings was disingenuously unclear in the bolded^, cherry picked, truncated version of the quote.

When..."...is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant. "

becomes...played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document."

...red flags should go up.

While this article does contain a few facts, they're presented in a manner whose conclusion is akin to an out-and-out lie.

Hasan attended (as an audience member) some meetings (which began before the election) that produced recommendations for the incoming President (regardless of who that would be).

From this, Jerome Corsi concludes, and you and the OP spread and defend the belief that:Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force

[Smokin Jay]

Its actually sad to see people believe this tripe. However I guess in their defense it "FEELS True", so it must be.:))

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Let's see what GWU has to say on the subject.

Homeland Security Policy Institute Statement on Nidal Hasan

In his capacity as Disaster & Preventive Psychiatry Fellow at the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, Nidal Hasan registered (“RSVP’d”) to attend as an audience member a number of Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) events in the period June 2008 to February 2009. All of these events were open to the public. At no time has Nidal Hasan been affiliated with HSPI or The George Washington University.

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/

That pretty much puts to rest any notion that Hasan was more than an audience member; that the conference wasn't open to the public; or that these recommendations were specifically for the Obama transition.

Worldnutdaily lies again. Color me surprised.

[junkmanusf]

I can always tell when a post has hit a Liberal nerve by the sheer number of threads that are hidden due to the posters being on my Ignore List.

Nice work OP!

Must purge the echo chamber...

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Worldnutdaily lies again. Color me surprised.
Hi Emma. Nice to see you again.

[junkmanusf]

When a story like this is debunked... it seems that some conservatives are disappointed when they should be relieved.

[Always Independent]

It sounds more like the libs are disappointed they can't blame President Bush for Hassan. Or are they?

http://www.google.com/search?q=nidal+hasan+bush+fault&hl=en&sa=2

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[who]

Worldnutdaily lies again. Color me surprised.
What a nice face to see round here, Emm!

:D