PeTA's worst nightmare

[PredFan]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

[Greyclouds]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

You... you... MONSTER!!

Nah, just joking ;)

While I agree that we should not needlessly cause suffering in vertebrates of other species, I disagree with Peta that any form of domestication of animal species is somehow "unethical."

When you consider that vertebrate populations in the wild often form a homeostasis with THEIR PREDATORS, and the fact that we provide an environment for such vertebrates to constantly spread their genetic lineage with only one threat of predation (at the end of their lives, when we harvest their meat), I'd say that those animals actually have it quite good.

Consider that a cow's lifespan in the wild vs on a farm would be approximately 20 years on average, and that the cow on the farm is subject to predation only once (vs almost daily in the wild).


Now, as for the atkins diet... I was on it as well for a brief stint, and you should take care that you don't damage your kidneys and liver. Remember: the atkins diet works well because of small portions. If I had to choose a diet that works, I'd go with the weightwatchers planned portions diet. My ex-girlfriend was on that once (so naturally, I was on it too, hahah) and I lost about 10 pounds without even trying. I also ate quite a bit! Dietary fiber is an excellent filler and it is (mostly) calorie free.

[PredFan]

Now, as for the atkins diet... I was on it as well for a brief stint, and you should take care that you don't damage your kidneys and liver. Remember: the atkins diet works well because of small portions. If I had to choose a diet that works, I'd go with the weightwatchers planned portions diet. My ex-girlfriend was on that once (so naturally, I was on it too, hahah) and I lost about 10 pounds without even trying. I also ate quite a bit! Dietary fiber is an excellent filler and it is (mostly) calorie free.

I did the Atkin's Diet for 2.5 years. I started a few years ago when the diet was the new thing and it was about a year before Dr. Atkins died of a head injury. It worked well for me. I had never before been able to stay on any diet longer than a week prior to that. When I went off it, I swore that I'd never again eat foods that were very high sugar again. For a while I stuck to that. Eventually I gained ther weight back. Therefor, I'm back on it again.

There have been many studies on the Atkin's approach and there have been as many different results. I'm a medical professional so I'm better equipped to sift through the bull. I know several things:

1. You do lose weight.
2. Your blood work improves.
3. You don't get cravings.
4. I can eat as much as I want and still lose weight.

These things that the diet says will happen, do happen, so I tend to lean toward the Atkin's people and their studies sinmply because they have not lied to me that I know of. As for the kidneys, mine are fine. The diet does say to drink a lot of water and I do.

Weight Watchers is too restrictive and counting calories is a pain. I'd starve on 2000 claories a day and be constantly wishing I had more. The South Beach Diet has the nastiest tasting food ever, and I've known lots of people on low-fat diets and they are still fat.

[Lima India Bravo]

I follow an Atkins type of diet because of my diabetes. Fewer carbs, more protein. It helps control my blood sugar, cholesterol, blood pressure and weight.

I'm certain you all know what P.E.T.A. really stands for....

People. Eating. Tasty. Animals.

[Asfc1967]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.


The following statement is not meant for an individual. I am painting with a broad brush here so I don't offend what seems to be a thinned skinned group here on the Hannity boards.

Now that I have placed my disclaimer. If a person will get up off of his fat lazy ass, and actually do some exercise. Said person will lose weight. Check out this amazing concept. Find out how many calories your body needs daily, and eat that. Input an exercise plan cardio every day, and weights every other day to boost your metabolism.

Do this simple thing like I did and you will not need a fad diet that is high in Cholesterol and low in Fiber. I eat meat, but in moderation. I get my protien from egg whites and supplements.

[Asfc1967]

Oh and stop drinking your calories. Unsweetned tea made from actual tea bags has ZERO calories.

[Lego-Man]

If a person will get up off of his fat lazy ass, and actually do some exercise. Said person will lose weight.


Wrong. Muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue. If a person gets up and exercises on a regular basis, they will actually GAIN weight, but it's a healthier weight. Exercise redistributes the mass from fat to muscle. What drops is you BMI.

I of course am not referring to a morbidly obese person, but someone who is a moderately overweight, and even an obese person will get an initial weight gain.

[PredFan]

If a person will get up off of his fat lazy ass, and actually do some exercise. Said person will lose weight. Check out this amazing concept. Find out how many calories your body needs daily, and eat that. Input an exercise plan cardio every day, and weights every other day to boost your metabolism.

I'm not lazy in the least. I HATE excercise. Not doing it. I'd rather eat a staek.

Do this simple thing like I did and you will not need a fad diet that is high in Cholesterol and low in Fiber. I eat meat, but in moderation. I get my protien from egg whites and supplements.

Contrary to what you are being force fed, cholesterol is not harmful. I take fiber supplements, they work great. I eat meat, lots of it...I am losing weight and I'm happy as a clam at high tide.

[PredFan]

And...I know a whole lot of fat peole who excercise regularly. They cionsume more calories than they burn off. Their excuse to pig out is their agressive excercise routine. I don't do that. I eat as much as I want, don't excercise and I lose weight.

No thanks.

[Greyclouds]

I did the Atkin's Diet for 2.5 years. I started a few years ago when the diet was the new thing and it was about a year before Dr. Atkins died of a head injury. It worked well for me. I had never before been able to stay on any diet longer than a week prior to that. When I went off it, I swore that I'd never again eat foods that were very high sugar again. For a while I stuck to that. Eventually I gained ther weight back. Therefor, I'm back on it again.

There have been many studies on the Atkin's approach and there have been as many different results. I'm a medical professional so I'm better equipped to sift through the bull. I know several things:

1. You do lose weight.
2. Your blood work improves.
3. You don't get cravings.
4. I can eat as much as I want and still lose weight.

These things that the diet says will happen, do happen, so I tend to lean toward the Atkin's people and their studies sinmply because they have not lied to me that I know of. As for the kidneys, mine are fine. The diet does say to drink a lot of water and I do.

Also, don't forget the cheese/calcium supplements!

It sounds like you're informed; that was my only concern :D.


Weight Watchers is too restrictive and counting calories is a pain. I'd starve on 2000 claories a day and be constantly wishing I had more. The South Beach Diet has the nastiest tasting food ever, and I've known lots of people on low-fat diets and they are still fat.

Weight Watchers was OK when I wasn't cooking, and my ex used a TON of fibrous vegetables. I mean, I ate a larger quantity of food that had almost negligible calories.

[Quid]

And...I know a whole lot of fat peole who excercise regularly. They cionsume more calories than they burn off. Their excuse to pig out is their agressive excercise routine. I don't do that. I eat as much as I want, don't excercise and I lose weight.

No thanks.

Your heart and renal system wish you would consider otherwise.

[PredFan]

Your heart and renal system wish you would consider otherwise.

Actually my heart and kidneys are just fine. You say that because you know nothying about the Atkin's Diet. Not only do I know the diet, but I'm a health care professional who also knows the human body and it's workings.

[FidelisAdMortem]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

Thats disgusting.

[ConstitutionHugger]

Wrong. Muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue. If a person gets up and exercises on a regular basis, they will actually GAIN weight, but it's a healthier weight. Exercise redistributes the mass from fat to muscle. What drops is you BMI.

I of course am not referring to a morbidly obese person, but someone who is a moderately overweight, and even an obese person will get an initial weight gain.

That's what usually happens when I work out since my diet consists of 60-70% meat/protein. I attribute that amount of protein, to my being as strong as I am (lifting 50# sacks of feed corn with one hand, and carrying 4 sacks at a time on my shoulders) even though I haven't worked out in 2 years and my weight staying about the same throughout that time whilst working a desk job.
Granted I am not near as strong as I was when I was working out and 20-30# lighter, but then My diet consisted of a minimum of 1000grams of Protein daily then.

[Asfc1967]

Wrong. Muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue. If a person gets up and exercises on a regular basis, they will actually GAIN weight, but it's a healthier weight. Exercise redistributes the mass from fat to muscle. What drops is you BMI.

I of course am not referring to a morbidly obese person, but someone who is a moderately overweight, and even an obese person will get an initial weight gain.


If you are targeting a Number then sure. The number I target if my Body Fat. At 5'6" I came to Iraq overweight I was 179. My max weight for Army standards is 170. I dropped down to 155, then put on 8 Lbs of Muscle weight. I droped from 24% body fat to 17%. I am 42 and allowed 26%. Putting on muscle also increases your metabolism.

[Asfc1967]

I'm not lazy in the least. I HATE excercise. Not doing it. I'd rather eat a staek.



Contrary to what you are being force fed, cholesterol is not harmful. I take fiber supplements, they work great. I eat meat, lots of it...I am losing weight and I'm happy as a clam at high tide.


You are raising your LDL. You don't Raise your HDL with meats (well maybe only fish).

Nuts, and Olive oil raise your Hdl (good Cholesterol). Loos like you need to study your basic nutrition a little. Try Fiber One bars and yogurt they are pretty good.

[Asfc1967]

Actually my heart and kidneys are just fine. You say that because you know nothying about the Atkin's Diet. Not only do I know the diet, but I'm a health care professional who also knows the human body and it's workings.


I am also a health care professional, and in great shape. You need a Diet, I do the exercise route. The only things I cut completely out of my diet are soft drinks with any calories at all, and I only eat desert once a week.

You said in an earlier post that you are lazy and don't exercise, for a health care professional that knows the human body and it's workings you should know that you are on a road to disaster.

It's your body, put in it what you please. I do but I work hard so I can do it healthy.

[BiscoHeadx818]

i didnt read the post, i came here to say one thing

PETA SUCKS

[ConstitutionHugger]

i didnt read the post, i came here to say one thing

PETA SUCKS

You mean that you don't like People Eating Tasty Animals?

[BiscoHeadx818]

You mean that you don't like People Eating Tasty Animals?

that's the only PETA id support

being a vegetarian is cool if thats what you want, i used to be one, but dont try to force everyone else to be the same way, and dont think your better then everyone else because of it. peta goes way to far

[hatman]

that's the only PETA id support

being a vegetarian is cool if thats what you want, i used to be one, but dont try to force everyone else to be the same way, and dont think your better then everyone else because of it. peta goes way to far

I do believe in ethical treatment of animals (mostly - exceptions supplied upon request).
But PETA is "out there".
Their latest local stupidity was protesting the 'salmon toss' at the Pike Place Market in Seattle. Tossing dead salmon (a local tradition) is somehow wrong to them.
They tried to dress up like salmon but they really looked more like 6 foot gray condoms.

[Asfc1967]

that's the only PETA id support

being a vegetarian is cool if thats what you want, i used to be one, but dont try to force everyone else to be the same way, and dont think your better then everyone else because of it. peta goes way to far


I admit that PETA has ridiculous ways of getting their point across. There really is NO need to be cruel to an Animal. If you are going to eat it, then fine, kill it where it won't suffer.

PETA does go way too far.

[hatman]

I admit that PETA has ridiculous ways of getting their point across. There really is NO need to be cruel to an Animal. If you are going to eat it, then fine, kill it where it won't suffer.

PETA does go way too far.


Asfc1967,
Honest question for you. I've appreciated your posts.
I'm 56 and am staring at double hip replacements in a couple months (hopefully, first meeting with a surgeon in 3 weeks).
I could stand to lose some weight before surgery, but it's just so freaking painful to do any meaningful exercise.
Would trying the Atkin's diet be something I could do for a couple months, or am I just in denial that I have to go 'cold turkey' on food and find a way to exercise in spite of the pain?

[BiscoHeadx818]

I admit that PETA has ridiculous ways of getting their point across. There really is NO need to be cruel to an Animal. If you are going to eat it, then fine, kill it where it won't suffer.

PETA does go way too far.

well i absolutey agree that there is no need to be cruel to animals. i consider myself an animal person.

[putputpanorama]

well i absolutey agree that there is no need to be cruel to animals. i consider myself an animal person.

Thats a good thing because on a technical aspect you indeed are an animal.

[putputpanorama]

Asfc1967,
Honest question for you. I've appreciated your posts.
I'm 56 and am staring at double hip replacements in a couple months (hopefully, first meeting with a surgeon in 3 weeks).
I could stand to lose some weight before surgery, but it's just so freaking painful to do any meaningful exercise.
Would trying the Atkin's diet be something I could do for a couple months, or am I just in denial that I have to go 'cold turkey' on food and find a way to exercise in spite of the pain?

Atkins is good and bad.

Depending ya know on kidney and liver function. Ya know.

You need to get up here and do some phesant hunting.

Thats good stuff and I know you like it.

[Asfc1967]

Asfc1967,
Honest question for you. I've appreciated your posts.
I'm 56 and am staring at double hip replacements in a couple months (hopefully, first meeting with a surgeon in 3 weeks).
I could stand to lose some weight before surgery, but it's just so freaking painful to do any meaningful exercise.
Would trying the Atkin's diet be something I could do for a couple months, or am I just in denial that I have to go 'cold turkey' on food and find a way to exercise in spite of the pain?

I have soldiers that have injured themselves and needed low impact exercises. Have you ever tried an eliptical trainer. It has no impact what so ever. I understand that the actual rotation might hurt. To be honest I am no expert, and only know what has been taught to me through the Army (and sometimes they aren't the best when it comes to exercise RUN,RUN,RUN!!!).

I really don't see a need to go cold turkey on food. You would probably lose important muscle mass in the process. Have you tried a physical/occupational therapist? they might have better advice for you.

I hope your surgery goes well for you.

[hatman]

I have soldiers that have injured themselves and needed low impact exercises. Have you ever tried an eliptical trainer. It has no impact what so ever. I understand that the actual rotation might hurt. To be honest I am no expert, and only know what has been taught to me through the Army (and sometimes they aren't the best when it comes to exercise RUN,RUN,RUN!!!).

I really don't see a need to go cold turkey on food. You would probably lose important muscle mass in the process. Have you tried a physical/occupational therapist? they might have better advice for you.

I hope your surgery goes well for you.

Thank you, sir.

I think I'm probably in denial and need to try harder.
I have done physical therapy and it helped for a while, but got increasingly more painful, so I stopped a couple months back. And the eliptical was the most painful.
I bought a stationary bike recently, but even it is too much.

I think I just need to suck it up despite the pain. I need to get ready.
I'm so looking forward to the surgery. I've forgotten what it feels like to walk like a normal person.

[hatman]

Atkins is good and bad.

Depending ya know on kidney and liver function. Ya know.

You need to get up here and do some phesant hunting.

Thats good stuff and I know you like it.

Oh, how would love to.
Those pheasent hunting days with my brother in the Columbia Basin in the 80's, well, --- it was heaven.
My "Field of Dreams".

[PredFan]

Thats disgusting.

No, it's delicious.

[PredFan]

You are raising your LDL. You don't Raise your HDL with meats (well maybe only fish).

Nuts, and Olive oil raise your Hdl (good Cholesterol). Loos like you need to study your basic nutrition a little. Try Fiber One bars and yogurt they are pretty good.

I know plaenty about nutrition. You are spouting mainstream nonsense.

LDL is meaningless by itself.

HDL, triglycerides, and the ratio of LDL/HDL is important. My bloodwork is excellent.

Research the contributing factors and risks for heart disease and learn what the number 1-3 risk factors are.

[PredFan]

I am also a health care professional, and in great shape. You need a Diet, I do the exercise route. The only things I cut completely out of my diet are soft drinks with any calories at all, and I only eat desert once a week.

You said in an earlier post that you are lazy and don't exercise, for a health care professional that knows the human body and it's workings you should know that you are on a road to disaster.

It's your body, put in it what you please. I do but I work hard so I can do it healthy.

1st of all, if you are a healthcare professional, you need to bone up on your cardiovascular disease risk factors. It's not all about cholesterol. In fact cholesterol is not at the top of the list.

2nd, i never said I was lazy, I said I hate excercise. Big difference. I am not on a road to disaster, I am on the road to continued good health.

let me ask you this, what do YOU get out of excercise besides stronger?

[PredFan]

i didnt read the post, i came here to say one thing

PETA SUCKS

Yes they do. That's why I started this thread. The other good tghing about the Atkin's diet is that it's PeTA's worst nightmare.

[PredFan]

You mean that you don't like People Eating Tasty Animals?

They have a facebook you can follow. It's great.

[PredFan]

Atkins is good and bad.

Depending ya know on kidney and liver function. Ya know.

You need to get up here and do some phesant hunting.

Thats good stuff and I know you like it.

But of course, if you have trouble with liver or kidney function, you should see a doctor before you start ANY diet.

[PredFan]

Any and every test ever done on the Atkin's Diet has consistantly shown two things, the diet works and that it is completely safe.

The critics of the Atkin's Diet cite studies don't on high fat diets. they are not Atkin's. Atkin's is a low-carb diet. If you are eating low carb the fats in you diet are where your calories come from and do not increase your risk of heart disease. They in fact, improve your heart health.

1. Atkins' works.
2. Atkins is completely safe.
3. Atkin's is PeTA's worst nightmare.

[bitterclinger84]

And...I know a whole lot of fat peole who excercise regularly. They cionsume more calories than they burn off. Their excuse to pig out is their agressive excercise routine. I don't do that. I eat as much as I want, don't excercise and I lose weight.

No thanks.

Up through high school, I took dance lessons for an hour to 3 hours a day, 6 days a week. I didn't really watch what I ate, but I don't think I really "pigged out" on a regular basis either. But I was STILL fat.

After high school, I ate the same but quit dancing and gained a ton of weight, which I'm currently trying to lose. UGH. And I go hiking, camping, swimming, rafting, all kinds of outdoorsy type stuff.

So being fat doesn't always = being lazy.

[-American-]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

Are you doing any kind of excercise? By the way most commercially produced chicken eggs intended for consumption are unfertilized, since hens are kept away from roosters. I just found this out.

[ConstitutionHugger]

that's the only PETA id support

being a vegetarian is cool if thats what you want, i used to be one, but dont try to force everyone else to be the same way, and dont think your better then everyone else because of it. peta goes way to far

I'm More of a Meatetarian. I used that term WAY before BK did and my wife and I were kinda surprised when we heard a commercial using that term

[ALBOB2]

Thank you, sir.

I think I'm probably in denial and need to try harder.
I have done physical therapy and it helped for a while, but got increasingly more painful, so I stopped a couple months back. And the eliptical was the most painful.
I bought a stationary bike recently, but even it is too much.

I think I just need to suck it up despite the pain. I need to get ready.
I'm so looking forward to the surgery. I've forgotten what it feels like to walk like a normal person.

I don't know your entire situation so I can't speak with authority BUT, I'd guess "sucking it up" is the absolute worst thing you could do. There's a very real chance that by favoring one or both hips while performing whatever exercise you choose, you'll end up injuring a different body part, most likely your spine. You want a bad back in addition to two bad hips? Nah, didn't think so.

Yes, you absolutely should exercise prior to your surgery. Being in good physical shape pre-surgery makes recovery much faster and, often times, more complete. What you need to find is some sort of exercise that doesn't cause pain in your hips. Do you have a swimming facility anywhere near you? A very large number of physicians agree that aquatic activity is the best of all cardio vascular exercises. Besides being so good for your heart and lungs, it's a ZERO impact activity on your joints. Even if you only stand in water up to your chest and jog in place, you're going to see great benefits.

[AmericanMuscle]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

:)) Congrats on your successful induction! Way to go!

I am also on Atkins, for years now. Low fat always left me unsatisfied- hungry! Atkins has improved my HDL/LDL ratio- it's better than good. I am at an ideal weight now after having 3 kids!

I know there is talk of kidney damage and I believe that stems from confusion between two similar sounding but vastly different terms. However, from what I understand, people with bad kidneys should not eat meat (or certain meats) so that may also confuse things further.

One myth about Atkins is that you cannot stick to it. I've been on it for years. I usually say I control carbs instead of saying Atkins because of the misinformation out there.

All the best to you! Enjoy the berries!

[hatman]

I don't know your entire situation so I can't speak with authority BUT, I'd guess "sucking it up" is the absolute worst thing you could do. There's a very real chance that by favoring one or both hips while performing whatever exercise you choose, you'll end up injuring a different body part, most likely your spine. You want a bad back in addition to two bad hips? Nah, didn't think so.

Yes, you absolutely should exercise prior to your surgery. Being in good physical shape pre-surgery makes recovery much faster and, often times, more complete. What you need to find is some sort of exercise that doesn't cause pain in your hips. Do you have a swimming facility anywhere near you? A very large number of physicians agree that aquatic activity is the best of all cardio vascular exercises. Besides being so good for your heart and lungs, it's a ZERO impact activity on your joints. Even if you only stand in water up to your chest and jog in place, you're going to see great benefits.

Thanks very much for that feedback.
Yeah, my doctors told me to find a swimming pool, but there just wasn't one conveniently in my area. However, just today I noticed a new YMCA facility in my area so I'm going to check that out.
Once again, thank you.

[Gabby]

Now, as for the atkins diet... I was on it as well for a brief stint, and you should take care that you don't damage your kidneys and liver. Remember: the atkins diet works well because of small portions.


Atkins diet puts no limitation on portion size.

If a person truely follows the Atkin's diet they will not damage their kidneys or liver. There is an initial induction period of a few days to two weeks (depends on the person's needs) in which carbs are limited to about 20 a day.

After that the number of carbs are increased to a level as prescribed by the diet. Carbs come mostly from low car veggies like lettuce, green beans, cabage, etc. Grains and legumes can be added as long as a person stays within their carb limit.

It's actually a very healthy diet.

[drylok]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

As a matter of fact he specifically directs us to do that through the apostle Peter in the book of Acts.

"And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."

Acts 10:10-13

[Greyclouds]

Atkins diet puts no limitation on portion size.

If a person truely follows the Atkin's diet they will not damage their kidneys or liver. There is an initial induction period of a few days to two weeks (depends on the person's needs) in which carbs are limited to about 20 a day.

After that the number of carbs are increased to a level as prescribed by the diet. Carbs come mostly from low car veggies like lettuce, green beans, cabage, etc. Grains and legumes can be added as long as a person stays within their carb limit.

It's actually a very healthy diet.

I understand; I just realize that popular conceptions of the Atkins diet are often not properly followed. A high protein load with a normal intake of carbohydrates places huge burdens on one's kidneys and liver.

It seems like Predfan knows how to stay within the guidelines of the diet, so it's all good.

[Gabby]

I understand; I just realize that popular conceptions of the Atkins diet are often not properly followed. A high protein load with a normal intake of carbohydrates places huge burdens on one's kidneys and liver.

It seems like Predfan knows how to stay within the guidelines of the diet, so it's all good.

Part of the problem is that many do not even bother to read the books but instead do what they think is the diet. That's just being stupid.

The first time I did Atkins was in the 1970's. I lived by his rules for a couple of decades and had no problems. I need to get back on Atkins and just stay on it for the rest of my life. It's the only thing that works for me.

[Greyclouds]

Part of the problem is that many do not even bother to read the books but instead do what they think is the diet. That's just being stupid.

The first time I did Atkins was in the 1970's. I lived by his rules for a couple of decades and had no problems. I need to get back on Atkins and just stay on it for the rest of my life. It's the only thing that works for me.

I'm doing ok on a "every-other-day" Gym attendance schedule.

I think that's just because I have "Y-Chromosome" syndrome, though. :lol:

[PredFan]

Up through high school, I took dance lessons for an hour to 3 hours a day, 6 days a week. I didn't really watch what I ate, but I don't think I really "pigged out" on a regular basis either. But I was STILL fat.

After high school, I ate the same but quit dancing and gained a ton of weight, which I'm currently trying to lose. UGH. And I go hiking, camping, swimming, rafting, all kinds of outdoorsy type stuff.

So being fat doesn't always = being lazy.

Of course not. I'm merely stating that exercise doesn't always equal weight loss.

[PredFan]

Are you doing any kind of excercise? By the way most commercially produced chicken eggs intended for consumption are unfertilized, since hens are kept away from roosters. I just found this out.

Nope. I hate exercise. Now I do enjoy playing games, which is exercise. Unfortunately, at my age, 53, it's difficult to find games to play. I used to play soccer a lot but I'm protecting my knees now.

[Old_Mil]

That's me. I got tired of being a fat ass and began the Akin's Diet almost two weeks ago. So far I've eaten about a quarter of a cow, about 4 chickens, a half a pig, two fish, dozens of shellfish, and about two dozen chicken embryos (eggs). I've lost 12 pounds. In a couple of days I'll get to add berries of any kind and a little more salad. Still, I'll be bar-b-q-ing my way through the animal kingdom.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

It works, and works extremely well but let me warn you of something - cheating on a diet is extremely common and almost the butt of jokes. With Atkins, cheating on your diet is no laughing matter. It will kill you.

[PredFan]

I am also on Atkins, for years now. Low fat always left me unsatisfied- hungry! Atkins has improved my HDL/LDL ratio- it's better than good. I am at an ideal weight now after having 3 kids!

I have known several nurses here at this hospital who have been eating low-fat ever since I've known them. I have known some of them over 15 years. they are still over weight.

The LDL/HDL ratio is currently called the best indicator of cardiovascular disease risk. Eating a diet that includes fat increases your HDL. The liver produces HDL to aid in digestion and absorbtion of fat. The more fat you consume, the higher your HDL. But ONLY if you are fueling your body with fat and not carbs. The last time I had my bolldwork done, my HDL was 64. You cannot, no matter how hard you try, get it that high on low-fat diets and excercise.

I don't have the info anymore, but I read in the local newspaper a few years back that some scientists gave a regular infusions of HDL to patients with sever plaque build up in their arteries and it almost completely removed the plaque.

I know there is talk of kidney damage and I believe that stems from confusion between two similar sounding but vastly different terms. However, from what I understand, people with bad kidneys should not eat meat (or certain meats) so that may also confuse things further.

Healthy kidneys should have no trouble with the by-products of fat and protein metablosim. Drink plenty of water to keep them in top shape.

One myth about Atkins is that you cannot stick to it. I've been on it for years. I usually say I control carbs instead of saying Atkins because of the misinformation out there.

I stayed on it foe 2.5 years. The only reason I went off of it was because, having lost the weight and not being concerned about weight any more, I began eating some of the foods I misses. I'm a major pizza junkie, and the crust is one of the best parts.

All the best to you! Enjoy the berries!

Thanks, I seem to be stuck on a plateau at the moment. I know this happens and I just need to be patient. I have decided to extend the induction phase until I break through it.

[PredFan]

Atkins diet puts no limitation on portion size.

If a person truely follows the Atkin's diet they will not damage their kidneys or liver. There is an initial induction period of a few days to two weeks (depends on the person's needs) in which carbs are limited to about 20 a day.

After that the number of carbs are increased to a level as prescribed by the diet. Carbs come mostly from low car veggies like lettuce, green beans, cabage, etc. Grains and legumes can be added as long as a person stays within their carb limit.

It's actually a very healthy diet.

The latest scientific data out there is pointing to high blood sugar levels as equally of more dangerous than high fat levels. lucose does the damage to the arteries which leads to the build-up of the plaque that can block the artery.

It's healthy and it ****es PeTA off.

[PredFan]

Part of the problem is that many do not even bother to read the books but instead do what they think is the diet. That's just being stupid.

The first time I did Atkins was in the 1970's. I lived by his rules for a couple of decades and had no problems. I need to get back on Atkins and just stay on it for the rest of my life. It's the only thing that works for me.

Atkins is the only diet that works, imo. I did do one several years before my first Atkin's stint, it was one where you ater enough calories to only lose 1 pound a week. Kept your metabolism from locking down. I was supposed to eat only 2000 calories a day. It worked, but I was always hungry and temptation often got the better of me.

On Atkins, I never go hungry.

[PredFan]

It works, and works extremely well but let me warn you of something - cheating on a diet is extremely common and almost the butt of jokes. With Atkins, cheating on your diet is no laughing matter. It will kill you.

I don't think so. I cannot disrupt my blood levels to dangerous levels just by eating a Snicker's Bar once. I am restricted to 20 carbs a day, it I were to inadvertantly take in 30 or 40 today, it wouldn't be dangerous. It would just halt my weight loss. But what is dangerous is if you constantly eat too many carbs and have too much fat. It's true you have to either do Atkins the way you are supposed to, or don't do it at all.

[PredFan]

BTW, I make the best Collard Greens anywhere. This time I put a major hunk of pork shoulder in it.

Dear PeTA: So far I estimate I've consumed a third of a cow, a half of a pig, a half dozen chickens, 3 fish (you know Sea-Kittens), and 30 shrimp. Not to mention dozens of eggs.
<blows kiss>

[mboncher]

Did the Cyclical Atkins last Spring and lost 50ish lbs. Had to get off it during the summer for various reasons. Gained all of it back. :( So I'm back on it now and intend to stay. My whole digestive system works better, and I generally feel much better. Though remember to get enough salt.

[AmericanMuscle]

BTW, I make the best Collard Greens anywhere. This time I put a major hunk of pork shoulder in it.

Dear PeTA: So far I estimate I've consumed a third of a cow, a half of a pig, a half dozen chickens, 3 fish (you know Sea-Kittens), and 30 shrimp. Not to mention dozens of eggs.
<blows kiss>

:clap:

Best of luck with that plateau!

Remember to eat! I had to stop working outside today to come in and fix something even though I wasn't hungry. With Atkins, you should not skip meals even if you want to.

[PredFan]

:clap:

Best of luck with that plateau!

Remember to eat! I had to stop working outside today to come in and fix something even though I wasn't hungry. With Atkins, you should not skip meals even if you want to.

I re-read the book, just to make sure I was doing it correctly.

[mboncher]

Thanks very much for that feedback.
Yeah, my doctors told me to find a swimming pool, but there just wasn't one conveniently in my area. However, just today I noticed a new YMCA facility in my area so I'm going to check that out.
Once again, thank you.
If a person truely follows the Atkin's diet they will not damage their kidneys or liver. There is an initial induction period of a few days to two weeks (depends on the person's needs) in which carbs are limited to about 20 a day.

That's where I can't do it. I can never get below 20 carbs. I usually average between 30-40 per day when on it... and after every 5-7 days, I take a day off and cheat but try not to go too carb crazy cause otherwise going back on schedule is more irritating.

Then again, I'm doing only Cyclical Ketogenic, not true Atkins.

[Army Wife]

Go meat... meat! Go meat...meat..

:mrgreen:

[AmericanMuscle]

I re-read the book, just to make sure I was doing it correctly.


It is a great reference and my edition (currently on loan to my father) has an entire chapter on plateaus.

Here is a quick recipe I want to share with you. It is for when you are further along. I make this and enjoy while others indulge in cake and such~ All of the amounts are adjustable according to how many carbs you want this dessert to be. I put down a ballpark.

1/4 to 1/2 cup of heavy whipping cream
Packet or 2 of Splenda (Yes, I know that will kill me too, ;) )
Tsp or 2 of sugar free choc or van pudding mix
Variation- Throw in a touch of no sugar added peanut butter to the choc pudding variety~

Whip the hell out of the cream. Add Splenda and pudding mix. Whip the hell out of it again.

This is so filling, you won't want to overindulge. DISCLAIMER-It does have it's carbs but used responsibly on those special occasions, it is a wonderful dessert!

Warning- Even though you may have real ice cream or cake in the house, your kids will want to eat this and only this. They will hear the kitchen aid and come out of corners.



AM~

[AmericanMuscle]

That's where I can't do it. I can never get below 20 carbs. I usually average between 30-40 per day when on it... and after every 5-7 days, I take a day off and cheat but try not to go too carb crazy cause otherwise going back on schedule is more irritating.

Then again, I'm doing only Cyclical Ketogenic, not true Atkins.

In my experience, success hastens success. Once you do restrict to 20, you will lose those cravings for carbs. At least that was my experience. I was a carb addict!

[ConstitutionHugger]

Go meat... meat! Go meat...meat..

:mrgreen:

AMEN!!!!!!!!
My wife and I eat so much deer meat that I have to kill at least 2 "bambi's" a year.
Deer are like shrimp in "Forrest Gump" you can make deer steak, deer sausage, deer salami, deer burger, deer bacon, deer bacon burger, deer ribs, deer ham, deer BBQ, deer chili, etc

[Army Wife]

AMEN!!!!!!!!
My wife and I eat so much deer meat that I have to kill at least 2 "bambi's" a year.
Deer are like shrimp in "Forrest Gump" you can make deer steak, deer sausage, deer salami, deer burger, deer bacon, deer bacon burger, deer ribs, deer ham, deer BBQ, deer chili, etc

All I have to say is "Bring on that big heifer!!" It has been years since I have had deer and will most likely be years longer since The Husband no longer hunts. :((

[PredFan]

It is a great reference and my edition (currently on loan to my father) has an entire chapter on plateaus.

Here is a quick recipe I want to share with you. It is for when you are further along. I make this and enjoy while others indulge in cake and such~ All of the amounts are adjustable according to how many carbs you want this dessert to be. I put down a ballpark.

1/4 to 1/2 cup of heavy whipping cream
Packet or 2 of Splenda (Yes, I know that will kill me too, ;) )
Tsp or 2 of sugar free choc or van pudding mix
Variation- Throw in a touch of no sugar added peanut butter to the choc pudding variety~

Whip the hell out of the cream. Add Splenda and pudding mix. Whip the hell out of it again.

This is so filling, you won't want to overindulge. DISCLAIMER-It does have it's carbs but used responsibly on those special occasions, it is a wonderful dessert!

Warning- Even though you may have real ice cream or cake in the house, your kids will want to eat this and only this. They will hear the kitchen aid and come out of corners.



AM~

Thanks!

[PredFan]

meat!

[ConstitutionHugger]

All I have to say is "Bring on that big heifer!!" It has been years since I have had deer and will most likely be years longer since The Husband no longer hunts. :((
What's stopping you from hunting?
Around here almost as many women as men hunt

[camarozz]

When I ever hear PETA, Im thinking PITA.

Force your opinions on someone who wants to listen, me I will kill and eat what ever I want.

[ALBOB2]

All I have to say is "Bring on that big heifer!!"

Sounds like me trying to get a date. :))

[Gabby]

It is a great reference and my edition (currently on loan to my father) has an entire chapter on plateaus.

Here is a quick recipe I want to share with you. It is for when you are further along. I make this and enjoy while others indulge in cake and such~ All of the amounts are adjustable according to how many carbs you want this dessert to be. I put down a ballpark.

1/4 to 1/2 cup of heavy whipping cream
Packet or 2 of Splenda (Yes, I know that will kill me too, ;) )
Tsp or 2 of sugar free choc or van pudding mix
Variation- Throw in a touch of no sugar added peanut butter to the choc pudding variety~

Whip the hell out of the cream. Add Splenda and pudding mix. Whip the hell out of it again.

This is so filling, you won't want to overindulge. DISCLAIMER-It does have it's carbs but used responsibly on those special occasions, it is a wonderful dessert!

Warning- Even though you may have real ice cream or cake in the house, your kids will want to eat this and only this. They will hear the kitchen aid and come out of corners.



AM~

I'll try that ... sounds good.

It reminds me of a desert my mom used to make.. I make a low carb version my myself.

make jello ... for this low carb jello. Let it chill until firm.

Make an equal amount of whipped cream.

Using your mixer whip the two together.

My mom always made it with cherry jello... to this day we call it 'pink stuff'. though I've been experimenting with flavors like peach jello, lime (makes it like a Key Lime).

[Army Wife]

What's stopping you from hunting?
Around here almost as many women as men hunt

If I add one more thing to my plate I think it might collapse :))

[Army Wife]

Sounds like me trying to get a date. :))

I am so not going there!! But man the things I could say.

[ConstitutionHugger]

If I add one more thing to my plate I think it might collapse :))

I feel your pain! Between working full time and being a full time Grad Student I don't have much time either. So I stopped working out to hunt.Since I walk about a mile each way to the stand on hilly terrain, carrying a 15# gun and 10# backpack with my stand clothes and gear in it, I really don't have to work out.
Also Hunting is how I relax, and catch up on my sleep.

Depending on where you live you can do like my dad has and keep a gun by each door so If you see one, you can shoot it. :))

[Army Wife]

Depending on where you live you can do like my dad has and keep a gun by each door so If you see one, you can shoot it. :))

Hmmm I wonder how I would explain that one to the Sheriff...even though he and the The Husband know each other well. I *might* be able to get away with it :mrgreen: