UC Bearcats ranked #4

[Dual867PowerMac]

8-0 and this is their highest ranking ever! :clap:

Tony Pike gets hurt and Zach Collaros takes over and this team doesn't miss a beat. :eek:

[ohknow35]

What, no "Bungals take a week off" thread??

Who cares??

[Dual867PowerMac]

What, no "Bungals take a week off" thread??

Who cares??
While you're drinking the Hateraid, you might want to open the sports section. :evil:

The "Bungals" are 5-2 and in a bye week. And we're in first place because we're 3-0 in the division.

[altair1013]

The Bearcats have been blessed by being very deep at the quarterback position. Their back up QB may end up in the NFL. They had a great year last year and had to use three or four different QB's.

They may have the best passing attack in the nation.

I do have concerns. Is their running game good enough to compete with SEC or big 12 talent? Can their defense hold up against a top notch running game?

The bright side: The best football players in the world come from within 30 miles of downtown Cincinnati. Now they are considering the Bearcats.

[5thIDSoldier]

While you're drinking the Hateraid, you might want to open the sports section. :evil:

The "Bungals" are 5-2 and in a bye week. And we're in first place because we're 3-0 in the division.

He must be a Browns fan...which the Bearcats could most likely beat anyway.....

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[altair1013]

He must be a Browns fan...which the Bearcats could most likely beat anyway.....

134971

The Cincinnati area usually has at least one or two H.S. teams in the top 10 in the nation and a few more in the top 20. Often the #1 team is from Cincy. That team could probably defeat the Clowns.

[Dual867PowerMac]

The Cincinnati area usually has at least one or two H.S. teams in the top 10 in the nation and a few more in the top 20. Often the #1 team is from Cincy. That team could probably defeat the Clowns.
Coelrain, Elder, and Moeller are historic powerhouses.

[JimGP20]

No way in hell should Cincinnati be ranked higher than Boise State.

[Dual867PowerMac]

The Bearcats have been blessed by being very deep at the quarterback position. Their back up QB may end up in the NFL.
Zach Collaros is only a sophomore. I've seen his height listed anywhere from 5-11 to 6-1.

Smallish quarterbacks can have success in today's NFL (Drew Brees, for instance,) but the NFL is some time off.

As for Tony Pike: he's big (6-6) with some mobility, but some teams may be a little leery of drafting him due to his arm injury. He's expected to practice this week.

[Dual867PowerMac]

No way in hell should Cincinnati be ranked higher than Boise State.
1-7 are all undefeated teams. I don't think where a team is in the rankings matters much right now.

[JimGP20]

1-7 are all undefeated teams. I don't think where a team is in the rankings matters much right now.


Really?? Then why create a thread titled "UC Bearcats ranked #4" ??

[Dual867PowerMac]

Really?? Then why create a thread titled "UC Bearcats ranked #4" ??
I'm bragging. :twisted: :razz: :))

[altair1013]

No way in hell should Cincinnati be ranked higher than Boise State.

Well the AP, most of the idiot coaches and the rest of the country disagree with you. Maybe you should straighten these so-called experts out.:mrgreen:

[JimGP20]

Well the AP, most of the idiot coaches and the rest of the country disagree with you. Maybe you should straighten these so-called experts out.:mrgreen:


Actually, that's not quite true. The USA Today poll shows Boise State 5th and Cincinnati 7th. In the AP and the ESPN polls, Cincy leads Boise State by 1 meer point. It doesn't matter anyway... when West Virginia beats Cincy, they will drop like a rock.

[altair1013]

Actually, that's not quite true. The USA Today poll shows Boise State 5th and Cincinnati 7th. In the AP and the ESPN polls, Cincy leads Boise State by 1 meer point. It doesn't matter anyway... when West Virginia beats Cincy, they will drop like a rock.

You a W.Va fan or just jealous of the Bearcats?

[JimGP20]

You a W.Va fan or just jealous of the Bearcats?


Neither. I just know my football. :cool:

[altair1013]

Neither. I just know my football. :cool:

You should be on TV. Because none of the people who make a living studying football are picking W.Va. What have you seen that they have not? Try again. :))

[JimGP20]

You should be on TV. Because none of the people who make a living studying football are picking W.Va. What have you seen that they have not? Try again. :))


Not many folks thought that the Eagles would beat the Giants this past Sunday either, or that the Dolphins would beat the Jets, or that the Ravens would beat the Broncos... but I went 3 for 3 in those games and 9-3 for the week so far. :razz:

[altair1013]

Not many folks thought that the Eagles would beat the Giants this past Sunday either, or that the Dolphins would beat the Jets, or that the Ravens would beat the Broncos... but I went 3 for 3 in those games and 9-3 for the week so far. :razz:

Hopefully your streak will end with the Bearcats. :rolleyes:

[iamredbeard]

I really don't think much about the Bearcats, much of that has to do with my opinion of the Big East. They are having a good season though. I have been saying for a couple of years that it would be nice to see them develop a rivalry game with Ohio State. I think it would be good for Ohio State to have an annual in-state rivalry game. They are one of the few Big Ten schools that don't have one. The other two that could to mind is Minnesota and Wisconsin, but to their credit they are the are only FBS team in their state. The same cannot be said for Ohio State.

[Beccaria]

Neither. I just know my football. :cool:

Like Super Bowl XLII? ;)

[JimGP20]

Like Super Bowl XLII? ;)

Yep. It took a once in a lifetime catch by David Tyree to beat them. :snooty:

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Not many folks thought that the Eagles would beat the Giants this past Sunday either, or that the Dolphins would beat the Jets, or that the Ravens would beat the Broncos... but I went 3 for 3 in those games and 9-3 for the week so far. :razz:
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while...

[Dr. Funkenstein]

No way in hell should Cincinnati be ranked higher than Boise State.
Could you elaborate further?

I ask because they SEEM pretty similar as far as their schedules go (they even have two common opponents in Fresno State and Miami (OH), major difference being that Cincinnati's two biggest victories (Oregon State and South Florida) came on the road.

In MY opinion, neither really deserves to be ahead of TCU. And I'm 99% certain the only reason Cincinnati IS ranked over the Horned Frogs is the fact that Cincinnati is undefeated in a BCS conference, because TCU's schedule has actually been MORE difficult (beating Clemson and BYU on the road trumps OSU and USF).

[JimGP20]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while...

So.... you're saying that a blind squirrel found you?? :razz:

[JimGP20]

Could you elaborate further?

I ask because they SEEM pretty similar as far as their schedules go (they even have two common opponents in Fresno State and Miami (OH), major difference being that Cincinnati's two biggest victories (Oregon State and South Florida) came on the road.



Boise State beat Miami of Ohio 48-0. Cincinnati beat them 37-13. Same with Fresno State... Boise beat them by more than Cincy did. Add to that the fact that Boise had been ranked above Cincy since the season started until week 7. What did Cincy do or who did they beat that was so special that they would leapfrog Boise when both teams are still undefeated?

[dannyg79]

Boise State beat Miami of Ohio 48-0. Cincinnati beat them 37-13. Same with Fresno State... Boise beat them by more than Cincy did. Add to that the fact that Boise had been ranked above Cincy since the season started until week 7. What did Cincy do or who did they beat that was so special that they would leapfrog Boise when both teams are still undefeated?

Boise's schedule is terrible. Like Dr. Funk said, Cinci went on the road and beat a good South Florida team and Oregon State. Boise hasnt had a significant win since the opening weekend. Boise's schedule is so weak that if Cinci, TCU, and Boise are all undefeated, then Boise is the team getting the shaft.

ANd point differentials with regards to Fresno or Miami OH dont matter. Both teams won

ETA: Boise wouldnt really get shafted, they would still go to a BCS bowl since Cinci has an automatic bid. But they wont be ranked as high or TCU or Cinci, and if for some reason any of these teams were in the national title discussion, Boise would certainly be the one with the weakest argument.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Boise State beat Miami of Ohio 48-0. Cincinnati beat them 37-13. Same with Fresno State... Boise beat them by more than Cincy did.

I'm not going to play the "who beat who by more" game...it's utterly pointless.

Otherwise, I'll start saying Indiana is better than Notre Dame, because they beat Illinois, who beat Michigan, who beat Notre Dame :razz:

Add to that the fact that Boise had been ranked above Cincy since the season started until week 7. What did Cincy do or who did they beat that was so special that they would leapfrog Boise when both teams are still undefeated?

Week 7 is when Cincinnati beat #21 USF in Tampa. With their starting Heisman candidate QB sitting on the sideline for most of the 2nd half.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Boise's schedule is terrible. Like Dr. Funk said, Cinci went on the road and beat a good South Florida team and Oregon State. Boise hasnt had a significant win since the opening weekend. Boise's schedule is so weak that if Cinci, TCU, and Boise are all undefeated, then Boise is the team getting the shaft.

ANd point differentials with regards to Fresno or Miami OH dont matter. Both teams won

ETA: Boise wouldnt really get shafted, they would still go to a BCS bowl since Cinci has an automatic bid. But they wont be ranked as high or TCU or Cinci, and if for some reason any of these teams were in the national title discussion, Boise would certainly be the one with the weakest argument.

If TCU remains undefeated, even if they make it to the national championship game (by some miracle which I'll detail later in the season), Boise would still be stuck in a lesser bowl because the BCS is only required to invite one non-BCS team to the party.

[dannyg79]

If TCU remains undefeated, even if they make it to the national championship game (by some miracle which I'll detail later in the season), Boise would still be stuck in a lesser bowl because the BCS is only required to invite one non-BCS team to the party.

But they can invite 2, and I would imagine they would. CBSsportsline has Boise in the Fiesta Bowl Against Penn state, and TCU against GT in the Orange bowl. Since Texas is likely to be in the title game, and no other Big 12 teams are BCS worthy, there is no reason that both Boise and TCU shouldnt be in a BCS bowl if they both remain undefeated. The Fiesta Bowl could take a 2 loss USC team, but even if they did that I imagine it would be against Boise State, since no one wants to see USC-Penn State again.

But obviously, there is a lot of football left to see how everything shakes out.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

But they can invite 2, and I would imagine they would. CBSsportsline has Boise in the Fiesta Bowl Against Penn state, and TCU against GT in the Orange bowl. Since Texas is likely to be in the title game, and no other Big 12 teams are BCS worthy, there is no reason that both Boise and TCU shouldnt be in a BCS bowl if they both remain undefeated. The Fiesta Bowl could take a 2 loss USC team, but even if they did that I imagine it would be against Boise State, since no one wants to see USC-Penn State again.

But obviously, there is a lot of football left to see how everything shakes out.

re: bolded item- Sure there is...MONEY.

Here's how I see it going down (and like you said, there's a lot of football left, so this is obviously subject to change)

Big 10 champ- Iowa
Big 12 champ- Texas
SEC champ- Alabama/Florida
ACC champ- Georgia Tech
Big East champ- Cincinnati
Pac 10- Arizona
Non-BCS- TCU
At-large pool- Oregon, Penn State, Miami, Boise State, Notre Dame, USC

Title game- Alabama/Florida winner v. Texas
Rose Bowl- Arizona v. Iowa
Orange Bowl- Georgia Tech v. Cincinnati
Sugar Bowl- Alabama/Florida loser v. Penn State
Fiesta Bowl- USC v. TCU

[dannyg79]

re: bolded item- Sure there is...MONEY.

Here's how I see it going down (and like you said, there's a lot of football left, so this is obviously subject to change)

Big 10 champ- Iowa
Big 12 champ- Texas
SEC champ- Alabama/Florida
ACC champ- Georgia Tech
Big East champ- Cincinnati
Pac 10- Arizona
Non-BCS- TCU
At-large pool- Oregon, Penn State, Miami, Boise State, Notre Dame, USC

Title game- Alabama/Florida winner v. Texas
Rose Bowl- Arizona v. Iowa
Orange Bowl- Georgia Tech v. Cincinnati
Sugar Bowl- Alabama/Florida loser v. Penn State
Fiesta Bowl- USC v. TCU


Possibly. Boise has been in the Fiesta Bowl before so it could it up depending on how well they traveled last time, which I personally have no idea. Boise might be a small program, but it is a 20,000 student school, so it isnt as if there arent a # of students and alums who might travel to Phoenix.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Possibly. Boise has been in the Fiesta Bowl before so it could it up depending on how well they traveled last time, which I personally have no idea. Boise might be a small program, but it is a 20,000 student school, so it isnt as if there arent a # of students and alums who might travel to Phoenix.
I was thinking of it more from Fox's perspective. Utah/Alabama got a 7.8 share last year, compared to Texas/OSU getting a 10.4.

Although I don't know how much of that was due to the fact that Texas/OSU was a good game, while Alabama forgot to show up for the Sugar Bowl.

[Beccaria]

*sigh* and yet again, we see why NFL-style playoffs would solve problems.

[iamredbeard]

re: bolded item- Sure there is...MONEY.

Here's how I see it going down (and like you said, there's a lot of football left, so this is obviously subject to change)

Big 10 champ- Iowa
Big 12 champ- Texas
SEC champ- Alabama/Florida
ACC champ- Georgia Tech
Big East champ- Cincinnati
Pac 10- Arizona
Non-BCS- TCU
At-large pool- Oregon, Penn State, Miami, Boise State, Notre Dame, USC

Title game- Alabama/Florida winner v. Texas
Rose Bowl- Arizona v. Iowa
Orange Bowl- Georgia Tech v. Cincinnati
Sugar Bowl- Alabama/Florida loser v. Penn State
Fiesta Bowl- USC v. TCU


If Notre Dame is in the at-large pool than they will go to a BCS game. Their fan following is just to large for them to be looked over.

[dannyg79]

I was thinking of it more from Fox's perspective. Utah/Alabama got a 7.8 share last year, compared to Texas/OSU getting a 10.4.

Although I don't know how much of that was due to the fact that Texas/OSU was a good game, while Alabama forgot to show up for the Sugar Bowl.

Does Fox really come into Bowl Selections that much though? The Fiesta Bowl (any bowl for that matter) is worried about selling tickets and filling hotel rooms and basically providing an economic benefit to the city. I am not sure they are overly concerned with television ratings.

Some of those ratings also probably came from the fact that Ala-Utah was on a friday night, and Texas-OSU was on a Monday night.

[iamredbeard]

There are 10 spots available, 4 at large bids, and 6 automatic bids. That will probably go to 7 automatic bids so we are down to three at large bids, SEC will get two teams in, so we are down to two at large bids, If ND wins out (which they should) then they should be eligible for an at-large bid and they get selected, which leaves us with one at large bid. My guess is that the Big Ten, ACC, and Big East will only get one bid. Which leaves us with the PAC 10 or the Big 12 for the final bid. If USC is eligible for an at-large bid, my guess is that they will go to yet another BCS bowl.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Does Fox really come into Bowl Selections that much though? The Fiesta Bowl (any bowl for that matter) is worried about selling tickets and filling hotel rooms and basically providing an economic benefit to the city. I am not sure they are overly concerned with television ratings.

I'm sure it's a large consideration. The BCS games come as a package to the networks (except for the Rose Bowl, which belongs to ABC)...if they continue to feed the network poorly-rated games, the rights fee will drop.

Some of those ratings also probably came from the fact that Ala-Utah was on a friday night, and Texas-OSU was on a Monday night.

Good point...I hadn't considered the night of the week they ran.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

There are 10 spots available, 4 at large bids, and 6 automatic bids. That will probably go to 7 automatic bids so we are down to three at large bids, SEC will get two teams in, so we are down to two at large bids, If ND wins out (which they should) then they should be eligible for an at-large bid and they get selected, which leaves us with one at large bid. My guess is that the Big Ten, ACC, and Big East will only get one bid. Which leaves us with the PAC 10 or the Big 12 for the final bid. If USC is eligible for an at-large bid, my guess is that they will go to yet another BCS bowl.

You've got a point about Notre Dame.

But I do think if Penn State wins out they're getting a slot.

[iamredbeard]

You've got a point about Notre Dame.

But I do think if Penn State wins out they're getting a slot.

A case can be made for Penn State. With ND, SEC, Boise State/TCU taking three of the four at large spots that only leaves one spot left. I can see Penn State taking the final spot, but I think it'll go to USC. I would like to see Penn State get it though.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

A case can be made for Penn State. With ND, SEC, Boise State/TCU taking three of the four at large spots that only leaves one spot left. I can see Penn State taking the final spot, but I think it'll go to USC. I would like to see Penn State get it though.
I guess it'd depend on who's picking...if Alabama loses the SEC title game, I think the Sugar Bowl people would be SALIVATING over a 'Bama/PSU game. They could re-run clips from the '79 "1-2" matchup for a month.

[JimGP20]

If Notre Dame is in the at-large pool than they will go to a BCS game. Their fan following is just to large for them to be looked over.


Right now, Notre Dame is ranked at #22 in the BCS. I can't see any way that they can move into the top 10 by the end of the year, even if they win out. Several other teams would have to have massive collapses in order for that to happen. This is coming from an Irish fan.

[iamredbeard]

Right now, Notre Dame is ranked at #22 in the BCS. I can't see any way that they can move into the top 10 by the end of the year, even if they win out. Several other teams would have to have massive collapses in order for that to happen. This is coming from an Irish fan.

They don't have to move into the top ten, they just have to move into the top 14 to be eligible and if they win out they should be eligible and with their huge following one of the BCS bowls will pick them up. There are even scenarios where they would only have to be in the top 18.

At-Large Eligibility

If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:

A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

If expansion of the pool to 18 teams does not result in 10 teams eligible for selection, then the pool shall be expanded by blocks of 4 teams until 10 eligible teams are available subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15 or lower, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

Relative to the two preceding paragraphs, all teams ranked in the top 14, other than those from conferences which have already had two teams selected, must be included in the bowl selections.

Note: in order to participate in a BCS Bowl game, a team (i) must be eligible for post-season play under the rules of the NCAA and, if it not an independent, under the rules of its conference and (ii) must not have imposed sanctions upon itself prohibiting participation in a post-season game for infractions of the rules of the NCAA or the rules of its conference.http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

[altair1013]

I really don't think much about the Bearcats, much of that has to do with my opinion of the Big East. They are having a good season though. I have been saying for a couple of years that it would be nice to see them develop a rivalry game with Ohio State. I think it would be good for Ohio State to have an annual in-state rivalry game. They are one of the few Big Ten schools that don't have one. The other two that could to mind is Minnesota and Wisconsin, but to their credit they are the are only FBS team in their state. The same cannot be said for Ohio State.

They can cpmpete with, and on a good day beat any nteam in the nation.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I really don't think much about the Bearcats, much of that has to do with my opinion of the Big East. They are having a good season though. I have been saying for a couple of years that it would be nice to see them develop a rivalry game with Ohio State. I think it would be good for Ohio State to have an annual in-state rivalry game. They are one of the few Big Ten schools that don't have one. The other two that could to mind is Minnesota and Wisconsin, but to their credit they are the are only FBS team in their state. The same cannot be said for Ohio State.
There are actually six D-1 teams (Akron, Kent State, Toledo, Bowling Green, Ohio, Cincinnati) in Ohio. And if memory serves (I'll see if I can find this), they're required to play them all over every five-year span to maintain their state funding.

In the next five years, they play Ohio in '10, Akron and Toledo in '11, Miami (OH) and Cincinnati in '12 and Kent State in '14. And they currently have one opening for '11 and three for '13, so Bowling Green will probably be slid in somewhere in there.

[iamredbeard]

There are actually six D-1 teams (Akron, Kent State, Toledo, Bowling Green, Ohio, Cincinnati) in Ohio. And if memory serves (I'll see if I can find this), they're required to play them all over every five-year span to maintain their state funding.

In the next five years, they play Ohio in '10, Akron and Toledo in '11, Miami (OH) and Cincinnati in '12 and Kent State in '14. And they currently have one opening for '11 and three for '13, so Bowling Green will probably be slid in somewhere in there.

Yeah, there are a bunch of schools in Ohio that play FBS football. You also forgot one school, Miami.

I know that they rotate those schools, they also seem to play Youngstown State fairly often as well. I just think it would be good if one of those schools being a traditional annual rivalry game.