Looks Like It's Over For Scozzafava

[HeyJude]

"From NRCC Chairman Pete Sessions to former Gov. George Pataki to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (through his operative, Jake Menges), Republicans are quickly abandoning their nominee, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, and backing Hoffman in a last-ditch effort to keep former Rep. John McHugh's seat in GOP hands and, perhaps more importantly, deny the Obama administration a much-needed political victory.

"I think it’s now to a point where we’ve got to win the Republican seat; it’s not about liberal or conservative," said a GOP consultant. "It’s about if we don’t help (Hoffman) over the finish line, Owens is going to win."

"Dede’s out of it," the consultant continued. "The bottom has dropped out on her. She can’t win it. Looks like Sessions and the national Republicans are seeing that. It was a poor choice on Sessions' part to go with her in the first place."


Another Republican on the ground in NY-23 said the Republican rush to embrace Hoffman was motivated in no small part to yesterday's DailyKos poll that found him in a dead heat with Owens (33-32) with Scozzafava trailing badly at 21 percent.

The third and final Siena poll of the NY-23 race will be released tomorrow Sunday. When Siena last weighed in on this race on Oct. 15, it found Owens leading by four percentage points with Scozzafava losing ground and Hoffman moving up fast."

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/10/scozzafava-collapses-republica.html

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Oh happy day! Oh happy day!

[MrShotShot]

Hoffman wins by five.

Third party candidates may not be viable in all areas, but they do square the crap out of the establishment.

[Iggy]

WOOOOHOOOOO!!

Take THAT, you blue-blood, country club, moderate, big tent candy-asses!

[johnrocks]

Vote your principles, Party be damned!

[HeyJude]

Vote your principles, Party be damned!

I am pretty much convinced of that myself.:D

Congressman Hoffman is sending cold shivers up the spines of Dems and Reps alike.
And I hope ALL incumbents are job scared:D

[hailreagan]

Hey GOP.....are you listening??

Do you get it now?

[johnrocks]

I am pretty much convinced of that myself.:D

Congressman Hoffman is sending cold shivers up the spines of Dems and Reps alike.

People may knock you for it but you'll feel better than simply choosing the lesser of two evils, all that tells them is "thank you, may I have another", I stopped rewarding bad behavior with my votes in 2006 and it was like a ton being lifted off my shoulders politically speaking.

[ChaosControl]

Now the party is all backing the guy, only after their pick flopped hard. Rather pathetic really.

[rckirby]

I wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors, she wasn't discussing pulling out of the race.

I know I would if I were her, rather than face the embarrassment.

[F_Rat-46]

Now the party is all backing the guy, only after their pick flopped hard. Rather pathetic really.

It's like the Republican Party is on 7 second delay...

[hailreagan]

Now the party is all backing the guy, only after their pick flopped hard. Rather pathetic really.

Pathetic but needed.
Some flipped before she flopped.......this is very symbolic to me.

[User84]

Now all they need to do is make a public apology for picking Dede first.

Doug Hoffman = Big step in the right direction

[scmarcos]

Don't agree with his policies but I'm glad Hoffman is having such a good showing. A big victory for third parties in this country. Hopefully people see it and wake up.

[HeyJude]

People may knock you for it but you'll feel better than simply choosing the lesser of two evils, all that tells them is "thank you, may I have another", I stopped rewarding bad behavior with my votes in 2006 and it was like a ton being lifted off my shoulders politically speaking.

I am already feeling that way, like this huge weight has been lifted. I will never again "hold my nose and vote". I have decided to vote my conscience. It feels good.:D

[johnrocks]

I am already feeling that way, like this huge weight has been lifted. I will never again "hold my nose and vote". I have decided to vote my conscience. It feels good.:D

It sure does feel good, it feels great to be able to give anyone "what for" regardless of party, so many seem like hypocrites doing that.

[Iggy]

I am already feeling that way, like this huge weight has been lifted. I will never again "hold my nose and vote". I have decided to vote my conscience. It feels good.:D

Welcome to the ranks of the hated. :mrgreen:

[VR2009]

Now the party is all backing the guy, only after their pick flopped hard. Rather pathetic really.

IF he wins they will try and coerce him into their folds...and then he will be "just another politician"...

[User84]

IF he wins they will try and coerce him into their folds...and then he will be "just another politician"...

Speculation, your honor....

[monkeymom]

Now the party is all backing the guy, only after their pick flopped hard. Rather pathetic really.

I have to agree with you there.

[Jabbamagnus]

Welcome to the ranks of the hated. :mrgreen:

Slowly growing ranks. :D

[HeyJude]

Welcome to the ranks of the hated. :mrgreen:

Yeah :lol: I know. But if everyone would vote their conscience, I think it could turn this country around. We sure do need to do something, and it's looking like "voting conscience" might be the new American ideal. Imagine that.:D

[Iggy]

Check this - Washington Post:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/morning-fix-what-ny-23-means.html?wprss=thefix

How has Hoffman galvanized independents? His messaging has been focused almost entirely on the idea of him as a political outsider who wants to shake up the way things are being done in Washington. And, it's clearly working.

So, while Republicans will cast a Hoffman win as a victory for them (it shows an energized GOP base) and Democrats will tout it as victory for their side (it shows a deeply divided Republican party), the truth is that a Hoffman win should send shivers up the spine of anyone who carries "Representative", "Senator" or "Governor" before their name.

Hoffman's rise is a manifestation of a series of recent poll numbers that show Americans growing increasingly frustrated with and distrust ful of the federal government. A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showed that less than a quarter of American had a lot or even some trust in the government to do what's right -- an absolutely stunning finding. Roughly that same number (24 percent) approve of the job Congress is doing while 65 percent disapprove.

The strong anti-incumbent sentiment may well hurt Democrats more in 2010 simply because they hold more seats in the House and the Senate. But, a Hoffman win is rightly understood not as a rejection of either party but rather a rejection of the political system as a whole.

And, if it comes to pass, that will mean lots of competitive races and nervous incumbents next November.Nailed it.

[HeyJude]

Slowly growing ranks. :D


:clap::clap::clap: High Fives :clap::clap::clap:

[VCaddy05]

I think it’s now to a point where we’ve got to win the Republican seat; it’s not about liberal or conservative," said a GOP consultant. "It’s about if we don’t help (Hoffman) over the finish line, Owens is going to win.[/B]"

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Yea its not about listening to the people in our party, and what they want out of our leadership. Its that we just have to get a republican in there so Owens doesnt get it. :wall:

[Mohawk5]

Good for Hoffman. This could be a potentially huge victory that could start the wave we need.

[johnrocks]

Yeah :lol: I know. But if everyone would vote their conscience, I think it could turn this country around. We sure do need to do something, and it's looking like "voting conscience" might be the new American ideal. Imagine that.:D

I'm afraid it may just be the new "pet rock" politically speaking,lol, I hope this is long term though.

[rational]

It should be obvious to everyone that both parties, certainly across the board on the national level, and probably in most cases at the state level, are totally corrupt. They are only in one of the two parties because they believe that's where they can get elected. They may believe in a few of the core issues associated with the party, but money and power is all they are interested in. Voting out incumbents only results in a corrupt politician of the opposite party being in office. We really are doomed as a nation. Under Republican rule, the country will fail more slowly than under Democrat rule, but that's about the only difference.

[nebcon]

Hey GOP.....are you listening??

Do you get it now?

Sadly, probably not.

[Jabbamagnus]

I'm afraid it may just be the new "pet rock" politically speaking,lol, I hope this is long term though.

Great I never really got to participate in the "pet rock" craze. ;)

[Iggy]

Now what we need is for incumbent liberal Republicans across the nation to have the threat of a Hoffman coming after them keeping them awake at night.

[johnrocks]

Great I never really got to participate in the "pet rock" craze. ;)

lol, you missed out on a lot of good phases then, the hoola hoop, pet rock, disco:razz:

[rational]

I think that the few national level politicians that appear to be genuinely decent are the ones who leave politics. One example I can think of is J.C. Watts.

[Iggy]

lol, you missed out on a lot of good phases then, the hoola hoop, pet rock, disco:razz:
... radio drama, hair tonic, the wheel...

[HeyJude]

Check this - Washington Post:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/morning-fix-what-ny-23-means.html?wprss=thefix
Nailed it.

But, a Hoffman win is rightly understood not as a rejection of either party but rather a rejection of the political system as a whole.

That's my feeling exactly. The stink in DC has corrupted the representatives nationwide. It's like a cancer that has to be removed at the roots.

[VCaddy05]

Sadly, probably not.

no way, by that statement the spokesman made alone shows they did so reluctantly. They proved they are not listening to conservatives by backing her over what was clearly wanted by the base.

[GregMartin]

Well, good. maybe the turd partiers will finally have a winner instead of loser after loser they've been offering up and then condemning everyone for not voting for them.

I've been on them year after year after year after year to finally win just one, but they've refused. Election after election they put up some booger picking goober who never won so much as a Pinewood Derby.

Looks like they're finally taking my advice after griping about how right I always am then sitting on their asses and putting up yet another goober loser.

I hope they have a candidate for governor too. NJ? is that a turd party possibility?

[Iggy]

no way, by that statement the spokesman made alone shows they did so reluctantly. They proved they are not listening to conservatives by backing her over what was clearly wanted by the base.

They didn't get it in 2006, they didn't get it in 2008. They'd better get it in 2009 if they want to remain a viable party.

[roger teekell]

Just look at the trend here...

On Oct 15th it looked like this...


Owens 33 (+5 vs. last poll, Oct. 1)
Scozzafava 29 (-6)
Hoffman 23 (+7)

As of yesterday it looks like this...

Owens 33 (-2 vs. last poll, Oct. 22)
Hoffman 32 (+9)
Scozzafava 21 (-9)


I think many of Scozzafava's people will abandon that sinking ship and vote Hoffman..

Should be interesting.

If Hoffman wins this it will be HUGE..

[Iggy]

Well, good. maybe the turd partiers will finally have a winner instead of loser after loser they've been offering up and then condemning everyone for not voting for them.

I've been on them year after year after year after year to finally win just one, but they've refused. Election after election they put up some booger picking goober who never won so much as a Pinewood Derby.

Looks like they're finally taking my advice after griping about how right I always am then sitting on their asses and putting up yet another goober loser.

I hope they have a candidate for governor too. NJ? is that a turd party possibility?
Looks like the Republicans put up the turd party candidate this time. I hope not too many people waste their votes on her.

[GregMartin]

I hope they have a candidate for governor too. NJ? is that a turd party possibility?
yeah not bloomin likely... again

Poll | PollDate | Sample | Christie (R) | Corzine (D) | Daggett (I) | Spread
Rasmussen Reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/new_jersey/election_2009_new_jersey_governor) | 10/29 - 10/29 | 1000 LV | 46 | 43 | 8 | Christie +3

[DougBH]

Where did the Republican bureaucrats get their information that she would be the person to select to run? Apparently they've been watching NYT's selected Republicans on PBS and believed this was the grass roots.

[Iggy]

In celebration I've brought gay, dancing Spidey back out of the closet.

[GregMartin]

Looks like the Republicans put up the turd party candidate this time. I hope not too many people waste their votes on her.
she should man up and drop out.
If she had any stones she would.

she should go back home and accept seed where she belongs

[roger teekell]

In celebration I've brought gay, dancing Spidey back out of the closet.
:)):clap::))

[HeyJude]

In celebration I've brought gay, dancing Spidey back out of the closet.

I noticed that.:D

[Guvnah]

I'm concerned that this is just a flash in the pan.

Yes, there is a growing discontenement that the two parties are looking more and more alike. But I truly believe that it still hasn't grown beyond a fringe group of the electorate.

In most races there is STILL enough difference between the major candidates that a 3rd party does not look palatable.

In the NY-23 race there was no discernable difference. They were so close that one was backed by ACORN and the other by SIEU. Hoffman was the 3rd-party candidate in the right place at the right time. He is the only one who IS different. He differs to the right, and this is a right-leaning district.

If he wins (ONCE he wins!) then I call on the likes of Beck and Palin and Hannity and Limbaugh to hammer home to the GOP that right-leaning voters want right-leaning candidates. A guy like Hoffman is the model candidate ideologically.

It gets a whole lot easier for us if the GOP does this. The paradigm in NY-23 allows for the 3rd party candidate to succeed. Most other races won't have the same political conditions. The GOP needs to see that it must offer more conservative candidates, else it will rip the party apart through the encouragement of 3rd parties whose effects will be more like Perot than Hoffman.

[zantax]

I'm concerned that this is just a flash in the pan.

Yes, there is a growing discontenement that the two parties are looking more and more alike. But I truly believe that it still hasn't grown beyond a fringe group of the electorate.

In most races there is STILL enough difference between the major candidates that a 3rd party does not look palatable.

In the NY-23 race there was no discernable difference. They were so close that one was backed by ACORN and the other by SIEU. Hoffman was the 3rd-party candidate in the right place at the right time. He is the only one who IS different. He differs to the right, and this is a right-leaning district.

If he wins (ONCE he wins!) then I call on the likes of Beck and Palin and Hannity and Limbaugh to hammer home to the GOP that right-leaning voters want right-leaning candidates. A guy like Hoffman is the model candidate ideologically.

It gets a whole lot easier for us if the GOP does this. The paradigm in NY-23 allows for the 3rd party candidate to succeed. Most other races won't have the same political conditions. The GOP needs to see that it must offer more conservative candidates, else it will rip the party apart through the encouragement of 3rd parties whose effects will be more like Perot than Hoffman.

Accurate assessment. This isn't a win for 3rd party candidates, assuming he wins, it's a win for conservative candidates, no matter their origin. The GOP can take note or hand elections over to the dems by default.

[muhadeeb99]

I would like to hear what her post election forensics is going to be. Will she say that the GOP sold her out without the support she wanted?

[rational]

In celebration I've brought gay, dancing Spidey back out of the closet.

I was just going to post that I was glad to see dancing spidey back!

[clearcarbon]

In celebration I've brought gay, dancing Spidey back out of the closet.

What really
happened.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Sigs/Igy/avat/iggy1dolla.gif

[Iggy]

What really
happened.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Sigs/Igy/avat/iggy1dolla.gif

:))

[Smacktalker]

"from nrcc chairman pete sessions to former gov. George pataki to former mayor rudy giuliani (through his operative, jake menges), republicans are quickly abandoning their nominee, assemblywoman dede scozzafava, and backing hoffman in a last-ditch effort to keep former rep. John mchugh's seat in gop hands and, perhaps more importantly, deny the obama administration a much-needed political victory.

"i think it’s now to a point where we’ve got to win the republican seat; it’s not about liberal or conservative," said a gop consultant. "it’s about if we don’t help (hoffman) over the finish line, owens is going to win."

"dede’s out of it," the consultant continued. "the bottom has dropped out on her. She can’t win it. Looks like sessions and the national republicans are seeing that. It was a poor choice on sessions' part to go with her in the first place."


another republican on the ground in ny-23 said the republican rush to embrace hoffman was motivated in no small part to yesterday's dailykos poll that found him in a dead heat with owens (33-32) with scozzafava trailing badly at 21 percent.

The third and final siena poll of the ny-23 race will be released tomorrow sunday. When siena last weighed in on this race on oct. 15, it found owens leading by four percentage points with scozzafava losing ground and hoffman moving up fast."

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/10/scozzafava-collapses-republica.html

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Oh happy day! Oh happy day!



the power of the american people at work!!!

You... Can make a difference!

[HeyJude]

the power of the american people at work!!!

You... Can make a difference!


Oh Yeah Baby!! :))

[DDawg]

This is only the beginning ...

a Conservative Constitutionalist has risen out of NY.

[Nashville]

I wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors, she wasn't discussing pulling out of the race.

I know I would if I were her, rather than face the embarrassment.

Would that necessarily be a good thing? Where would her votes go?

Are those intending to vote for her conservatives who would go to Hoffman, or liberals who realize how big a lefty she is?

[Bluesgtr44]

Now the party is all backing the guy, only after their pick flopped hard. Rather pathetic really.

I couldn't agree more.....kind of like a lot of parsley on the plate, but nothing to eat. All about looks....

[OIVORY]

Don't agree with his policies but I'm glad Hoffman is having such a good showing. A big victory for third parties in this country. Hopefully people see it and wake up.

Sadly this is not a big step for third parties.

Hoffman is the only thing that looks like a republican in the race.

Dede should NEVER have been given the R. If she was even half as much R as Hoffman, Owens would win on a split vote. As it stands, every vote she gets should be considered an uninformed voter pulling the lever for the R party (and they should be scolded for being so uninformed).