Large Hadron Collider 'Being Sabotaged from the Future'

[S.E.]

I am not sure what to think about this. Something from the future has purpose to travel back in time and sabotage the LHC machine because it hates the "god particle?" Yet they are certain God doesn't exist. Can someone please explain this to my finite, small mind. Who knows, maybe God is laughing at them. :))


Scientists claim the giant atom-smashing Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is being jinxed from the future to save the world.

In a bizarre sci-fi theory, Danish physicist Dr Holger Bech Nielsen and Dr Masao Ninomiya from Japan claim nature is trying to prevent the LHC from finding the elusive Higgs bosonhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568528,00.html#). Called the "God particle," the theoretical boson could explain the origins of mass in the universe — if physicists can find the darn thing.
The scientists say their math proves nature will "ripple backward through time" to stop the LHC before it can create the God particlehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568528,00.html#), like a time traveller who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

“One could even almost say that we have a model for God,” Dr Nielsen says in an unpublished essay. “He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them.”


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568528,00.html

[LouC]

Tongue in Cheek, scientists with a sense of humor. :))

[S.E.]

Tongue in Cheek, scientists with a sense of humor. :))

You would think, but nope. They are serious:


Then it will be time to test one of the most bizarre and revolutionary theories in science. I’m not talking about extra dimensions of space-time, dark matter (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/dark_matter/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) or even black holes that eat the Earth. No, I’m talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, Japan, put this idea forward in a series of papers with titles like “Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal” and “Search for Future Influence From LHC,” posted on the physics Web site arXiv.org (http://arxiv.org/) in the last year and a half.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html

[Wookinstien]

I think its the same two scientists from an article in High Times.


They developed


"Hyper-Weed!

[S.E.]

Here is the full proposal:

Test of Effect from Future in Large Hadron Collider; A Proposal

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0802/0802.2991v2.pdf

[EnchantedFrog]

They had better be careful.
One of those terminator machines might show up any day now.

[Apatriot]

I am not sure what to think about this. Something from the future has purpose to travel back in time and sabotage the LHC machine because it hates the "god particle?" Yet they are certain God doesn't exist. Can someone please explain this to my finite, small mind. Who knows, maybe God is laughing at them. :))



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568528,00.html


The whole idea is that somehow the creation of this particle would destroy the universe, hence there is some kind of force (i.e. God from the future) that is preventing it from happening. I think there's a simpler explanation--the particle just doesn't exist, and they need to go back to their fiction. (as a former scientist (biologist), I'm very skeptical of a lot of quantum/particle physics. It seems to me that they keep making up new particles whenever their explanations aren't balanced. I think they need to go back to basics, and reexamine their assumptions).

[MrShotShot]

This just in, "Hadron Collider scientists advise Obama Administration on "jobs saved" figures."

[Kegler300]

Colbert did a segment on this on his show yesterday interviewing one of the physicists, who had also written a book titled, "Why Does E=MC2 and Should We Care?" Very funny!

[Dragon1963]

The whole idea is that somehow the creation of this particle would destroy the universe, hence there is some kind of force (i.e. God from the future) that is preventing it from happening. I think there's a simpler explanation--the particle just doesn't exist, and they need to go back to their fiction. (as a former scientist (biologist), I'm very skeptical of a lot of quantum/particle physics. It seems to me that they keep making up new particles whenever their explanations aren't balanced. I think they need to go back to basics, and reexamine their assumptions).

You're forgetting that they keep finding these new particles and quantum physics has thus far, to the best our technology can do, proven to work. IMO its no worse than the theory of evolution and evolution certainly has a lot of proof backing it.

[Stantz]

Colbert did a segment on this on his show yesterday interviewing one of the physicists, who had also written a book titled, "Why Does E=MC2 and Should We Care?" Very funny!

I saw that...great segment
as far as the collider being sabotaged from the future, pretty much all reputable scientists who were interviewed on the subject said it was bunk.

I did like Colbert bringing up the particle as a great form for weight loss, since it removes mass :)

[James Juno]

You're forgetting that they keep finding these new particles and quantum physics has thus far, to the best our technology can do, proven to work. IMO its no worse than the theory of evolution and evolution certainly has a lot of proof backing it.

Astute observation. Quantum physics, and in particular quantum electrodynamics, has proven to be an amazingly accurate theory. Richard Feynman put it this way:

Just to give you an idea of how the theory has been put through the wringer, I'll give you some recent numbers: experiments have Dirac's number at 1.00115965221 (with an uncertainty of about 4 in the last digit); the theory puts it at 1.00115965246 (with an uncertainty of about five times as much). To give you a feeling for the accuracy of these numbers, it comes out something like this: If you were to measure the distance from Los Angeles to New York to this accuracy, it would be exact to the thickness of a human hair.

This is from his popularized book, "QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter." I recommend this easy accounting to anyone with even a passing interest in the field. Quantum mechanics has been a pinnacle achievement for mankind.

[natalie addict]

Astute observation. Quantum physics, and in particular quantum electrodynamics, has proven to be an amazingly accurate theory. Richard Feynman put it this way:



This is from his popularized book, "QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter." I recommend this easy accounting to anyone with even a passing interest in the field. Quantum mechanics has been a pinnacle achievement for mankind.

I always get a chuckle when creationists get their undies in bunch over evolution because they think they understand it and they can spout off about biology. On the other hand they should be more concerned about QM and its implications but they don't because who the heck can understand it?

[Dem]

Colbert did a segment on this on his show yesterday interviewing one of the physicists, who had also written a book titled, "Why Does E=MC2 and Should We Care?" Very funny!
As the physicist from the show said "It's bollocks, amusing bollocks, but, bollocks nonetheless"

[Dual867PowerMac]

What... that thing is real? :eek: I read about it in Dan Brown's Angels & Demons, but didn't know it was real.

I like Dan Brown's two Robert Langdon books (I haven't read the new one yet.)

But when willfully ignores the fact that the Priory of Sion is a complete hoax and claims that Jesus named Mary Magdalen, not St. Peter, his successor and Leonardo's "The Last Supper" proves it, Dan Brown loses any historical credibility.

But his books are fun to read. :)

[Dem]

What... that thing is real? :eek: I read about it in Dan Brown's Angels & Demons, but didn't know it was real.

I like Dan Brown's two Robert Langdon books (I haven't read the new one yet.)

But when willfully ignores the fact that the Priory of Sion is a complete hoax and claims that Jesus named Mary Magdalen, not St. Peter, his successor and Leonardo's "The Last Supper" proves it, Dan Brown loses any historical credibility.

But his books are fun to read. :)
Yes the Large Hadron Collider is real.

As for Dan Brown, I don't think he believes any of that.

[ChaosControl]

Yeah, I don't buy into time travel. I don't believe in a "future". There is no such thing as a future, there is only the present.

Besides, what about the whole time paradox aspect to this?

[Apatriot]

You're forgetting that they keep finding these new particles and quantum physics has thus far, to the best our technology can do, proven to work. IMO its no worse than the theory of evolution and evolution certainly has a lot of proof backing it.
However the particles they find are never the correct explanation, they always require another particle to balance things out.

I just think that they are missing something. I do agree that what they are doing is scientific, it just seems that their answer is always the same--another particle.

[natalie addict]

However the particles they find are never the correct explanation, they always require another particle to balance things out.

I just think that they are missing something. I do agree that what they are doing is scientific, it just seems that their answer is always the same--another particle.

And that's why they built the LHC to test the theories. The Higgs boson is the big idea they're looking to validate but when you start probing higher particle energies other unexpected things turn up.

The big question in QM these days is in trying to create a QM theory of gravity that will combine with the QM theory of, well, basically everything else into a TOE (Theory of Everything). That's one of the things string theory was trying to accomplish without much luck so far.

[Dragon1963]

However the particles they find are never the correct explanation, they always require another particle to balance things out.

I just think that they are missing something. I do agree that what they are doing is scientific, it just seems that their answer is always the same--another particle.

Same can be said about any scientific theory. LHC will hopefully verify or disprove this particle. As with all scientific theory you find something out, and often end up having to figure out something new. Its like this in quantum physics, biology, chemistry, astronomy, etc.

It may take rocket science to fully understand quantum physics, but it only takes knowledge of general science to understand how scientific experimentation works.

[sgdp]

:eek: Totally misread the title of this thread, and had to do an embarrassing double-take.

[gdoane]

I think if some force had the capabilities of time travel they wouldn't be subtle about "jinxing" the LHC to save the world. That's a lot of trouble to go to for not flat out wrecking the thing.

I think the problem is just that it's a prototype and prototypes have bugs.

[S.E.]

I think if some force had the capabilities of time travel they wouldn't be subtle about "jinxing" the LHC to save the world. That's a lot of trouble to go to for not flat out wrecking the thing.

I think the problem is just that it's a prototype and prototypes have bugs.

Is this common sense verifiable? :mrgreen:

[HoracioMendez]

The whole idea is that somehow the creation of this particle would destroy the universe, hence there is some kind of force (i.e. God from the future) that is preventing it from happening. I think there's a simpler explanation--the particle just doesn't exist, and they need to go back to their fiction. (as a former scientist (biologist), I'm very skeptical of a lot of quantum/particle physics. It seems to me that they keep making up new particles whenever their explanations aren't balanced. I think they need to go back to basics, and reexamine their assumptions).
Quantum field theory has been confirmed in multiple areas to unthinkable precision. Thinking that physicists go about making up particles is ridiculous.

[Stantz]

Actually i just had word that the particles raced back in time to make sure their parents met at the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/JOECONTE/back_to_the_future_large_09.jpg

dont worry, your kids are gonna love it !